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On August 06 2012 13:43 aRyuujin wrote: This line of reasoning is going to seem a bit silly, but I think it's just piling onto the evidence DP has left us. + Show Spoiler + happened at 3:05, after which DP immediately posts voting for Zork, (looks like he started writing that post before zork pulled the whole claim thing). DP posts again 4 minutes after Zork's claim. I think it's quite possible for them to have decided on the mafia qt, "k, bros, imma pull this stunt so u can accuse me," Zork claims, and immediately DP responds, helping him cover for the fact that he was SUCH a late switcher. Thought this has been brought up by Mordanis and Ange, it's pretty much disregarded because it's so situational. (It pretty much gets forgotten) The thing that makes this move from 100% WIFOM to kind of useful imo is this post: + Show Spoiler + Here, he defends himself from the accusations of Ange and Mord by saying it was late. However, he doesn't talk about ANY other part of those cases. Instead, he just brings up irl problems why he couldn't. The biggest thing here is that he says he was up an extra hour. Why the hell did that happen? When I saw that post, I was like k, wtf is he doing, and voted him and moved on. Especially considering he says it was incredibly late in the morning, (and that during this hour all he did was make two tiny posts at the very end) it sounds to me like he's just trying to paint himself as a mislead townie brought to his senses by Zork's move. Yes, this is weak. However, it is just icing on the proverbial cake. This is nothing. I have also already responded to this several times in what I believe to be a satisfactory way. It is interesting that there is so little to go off that half a page of your 'case' on me is so impotent. It is also interesting that once again you are bringing nothing to the thread or the case on me that is new or original. Just once again repeating allegations that others have stated and I have cleared up. About staying up an hour later. I was interested in the medic claim and I was finishing watching heros game in ASUS ROG whilst I was in bed. I did fully intend on going to bed however I changed my mind (oh my god how scummy wtf?) I was posting my Vote switch at the time and did not see the zork claim. Just from reading my next post this should be clear as I immediately address it. I switched to prevent a no lynch. nothing more, nothing less. I said I would do this at the very beginning and I stuck to it. I don't know why this seems to be so difficult to understand but that is what happened. As you say this allegation is piss weak. and I don;t know how many times people like yourself will bring it up when I have already addressed it. If you are going to make a case. Might I suggest instead of repeating others ad nauseum you actually contribute some original thought. or anything. at all. In no way does this constitute any part of a case. Just saying it is suspicious does not mean anything. Moving on. On August 06 2012 13:43 aRyuujin wrote: [/b]Something that I don't think has been brought up in this context is this post: + Show Spoiler + Once more, though it's not an IRONCLAD HARDCORE damning post, it's something that seems very... interesting. Essentially, Ange begins to link Zorkmid and JingleHell. Darthpunk strikes that down without providing much real evidence, and begins accusing Ange. Why? Because he/she is making these connections. DP even says something to that degree, at I initially had a small town read on you but after actually reading through the discussion between yourself and jingle I am starting to worry about you. Your reaction to jingle's pressure was an incredibly disproportionate response, and trying to draw a connection to a case you posted hours after jingle had first cast suspicion on you is very suspicious to me. I don't see any connections whatsoever between Jingles pressure on you and your case on zork. I have no idea why you would try and draw a connection that wasn't there. . If you reread this section of the post, it's quite obviously leaning towards a scumDarthpunk trying to protect his scum buddies. He even goes on to make this post (talking to Ange) You seem to have been desperate to link jingle hell to your zorkmid case even though his case on you began hours earlier. You asked me several times to state why I felt the Zork case was weaker, and are now using all those answers you dug for yesterday in order to build a case that isn't there. It seems as if you 100% KNEW that zork would flip red. And then desperately tried to manufacture connections to him wherever you could. I can 100% see a scum motivation for this you bussed zork and not only gained 'confirmed town' status but have also set up 2 mislynches. , further showing his determination to bust that link. So you are saying that I need to provide evidence in order to prove something isn't there? Really? Ange needed to provide evidence something was there. Something other than Jingle is accusing me whilst I accuse someone else. That is not a link. Jingle started against Ange HOURS before that. and at that time this was her entire argument. So not providing evidence for a link existing is townie. But me asking for evidence for a link existing is? Right. On August 06 2012 13:43 aRyuujin wrote: And finally, as I mentioned earlier, if you look at the last page of his filter, he progressively gets more and more emotional and lashes out at the people who accuse him. Like I noted when discussing Jingle, this seems to be a fairly scum move. So the only case you have that is new or not retarded is that you perceive emotion in a text base game which is incredibly difficult to both convey and perceive emotion through. I don't know how to respond to your perceptions of emotion that isn't there. but next time you write a wall of text 'case' against me could you please include a case? If anyone sees something important could someone please convey it to me. Concisely if possible lol. | ||
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That being said. I will continue to post cases and defend myself but I am sheeping shadys vote no matter what this cycle. If shady votes for me I will vote for myself etc. The reason for this is that the situation is bad at the moment. a mess really. I will sheep the vote of the confirmed town. Whilst still contributing as much as possible. If I had to vote for someone right now it would be aRyuujin he had less than a pages worth of filter but has LEAPT into action now more than one person is considering voting for him. I mean read his filter. the contrast is obvious. | ||
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On August 06 2012 14:26 aRyuujin wrote: @Shady: Why not kill the guaranteed scum now? unless you're of the opinion that me/Jingle or alan/jingle(which I think we basically ruled out) is more likely than DP/alan, then it's objectively better not to risk that 1% that we end up mislynching Jingle. Also, in case the mods don't see my vote tangled up in the huge post I made up above, I voted DP: ##unvote and ##vote Darthpunk And Shady, if the consensus is still that we need to lynch Jingle first, rest assured that I will vote Jingle over a mislynch. I just believe that it's in our best interests to hit DP first. Of course it is in your best interest to lynch me first. I am under suspicion and am accusing you. You said not that long ago that Jingle was the best to lynch first. The thing that has changed? I cast suspicion onto you. That's it. Can you be any more transparent? LOL I am 100% sure if GK had voted mordanis that you would be all over her like a bad salesman. Yet you sheeped my case on mord and are 100% innocent? LMAO | ||
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On August 06 2012 15:36 aRyuujin wrote: [/b]+ Show Spoiler + On August 06 2012 15:26 DarthPunk wrote: @ aRyuujins ROFLCASE This is nothing. I have also already responded to this several times in what I believe to be a satisfactory way. It is interesting that there is so little to go off that half a page of your 'case' on me is so impotent. It is also interesting that once again you are bringing nothing to the thread or the case on me that is new or original. Just once again repeating allegations that others have stated and I have cleared up. About staying up an hour later. I was interested in the medic claim and I was finishing watching heros game in ASUS ROG whilst I was in bed. I did fully intend on going to bed however I changed my mind (oh my god how scummy wtf?) I was posting my Vote switch at the time and did not see the zork claim. Just from reading my next post this should be clear as I immediately address it. I switched to prevent a no lynch. nothing more, nothing less. I said I would do this at the very beginning and I stuck to it. I don't know why this seems to be so difficult to understand but that is what happened. As you say this allegation is piss weak. and I don;t know how many times people like yourself will bring it up when I have already addressed it. If you are going to make a case. Might I suggest instead of repeating others ad nauseum you actually contribute some original thought. or anything. at all. In no way does this constitute any part of a case. Just saying it is suspicious does not mean anything. Moving on. So you are saying that I need to provide evidence in order to prove something isn't there? Really? Ange needed to provide evidence something was there. Something other than Jingle is accusing me whilst I accuse someone else. That is not a link. Jingle started against Ange HOURS before that. and at that time this was her entire argument. So not providing evidence for a link existing is townie. But me asking for evidence for a link existing is? Right. So the only case you have that is new or not retarded is that you perceive emotion in a text base game which is incredibly difficult to both convey and perceive emotion through. I don't know how to respond to your perceptions of emotion that isn't there. but next time you write a wall of text 'case' against me could you please include a case? If anyone sees something important could someone please convey it to me. Concisely if possible lol. You did exactly what I said you'd do in the first paragraph... Come on, man. I expected better than this! Anyway, DP, why don't you provide us with your own opinions? So you post a bad case. Point out it is bad. and then say that if I am scum I will make a point of saying how bad it is? I addressed every part of your case. there is no case. Was there anything I didn't address? I always provide my opinions. read my filter. What does that post add to anything except attempt to leave the impression I missed something. I did not. If anyone other than aRyuujin thinks I have missed something feel free to let me know and I will address it. | ||
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On August 06 2012 15:44 aRyuujin wrote: Why don't you address my conclusion rather than getting all worked up? I am not getting worked up. quite frankly I am bored with having to respond to the same things countless times. I did not respond to your conclusion because it was this After looking at DP, I'm like 100% sure that he's scum. I responded to each of the points in your case. yet you have ignored them. and then say you expected better acting as if I had not. If anyone else reads this please look at my answers to his case, and his complete disregard for them in his desperation to form a bandwagon on me.  | ||
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On August 06 2012 15:55 aRyuujin wrote: So basically you don't want any responsibility for your vote? It's been said, time and time again, the strongest weapon of a town is their vote. Abandoning your vote is NEVER a pro town move. Now, let's see what he actually says in this post. He has a town read on Jingle. Why? Because DP says DP is town, and anyone who says DP is town cannot ever accuse someone correctly. Seems legit. Now, let's see, why would DP actually say Jingle is town? Maybe... it's because DP ALREADY KNOWS that Jingle is town. Darthpunk is furthering his ploy to have Jingle's green flip make him look clean. Shady, come on man. At this point, lynching Darthpunk needs to be priority #1. I said I would post cases and defend myself. and contribute to the thread. And then I stated who I would vote for. In that very post. Others have stated they would follow shady. Including yourself. It is for the towns benefit. Yet it is only a problem when i do it. First I am scum for defending scum jingle. Now I am scum for thinking he is town. I assume I would be scum if I sheeped the case on jingle. I have well reasoned transparent motivations behind my actions. So do you. A healthy case of confirmation bias and a desperation to lynch the only suspicious player of those who have accused you. Honestly I don't think I could do anything right now without there being something scummy behind it. | ||
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On August 06 2012 16:00 goodkarma wrote: If someone could summarize a specific case point that shows Darthpunk's guilt that I haven't discussed here please let me know. I wanted to give Darthpunk a chance to defend himself, as I feel his defense is just as important as what was said in the case against him to get a good read of the situation. But after his defense, I don't feel the evidence is there to say he's a sure scum, especially compared to Jingle. Jingle has been spending his posting time calling us tunneling sheep, which is hardly a compelling arguement -_- I understand the need for town to stay united, and will coincide my vote with Shady's to secure the lynch for Darth IF IT COMES TO THAT, but I honestly hope it doesn't. I feel we're getting ahead of ourselves. Almost everyone is in agreement that Jingle is scum, so why are we now voting Darth? If there's some compelling arguement for lynching him I've overlooked, please enlighten me. The case against me comes from 2 people, both of whom I have cast suspicion on and jingle for having a town read on him. The main argument is my post timing which I believe I have explained. To be honest what little case there was has been answered, but aRyuujin seems to be tunnelling me along with a healthy case of confirmation bias. aRyuujin actually wanted to vote jingle first. That all changed of course as soon as I posted that he was my top scum read. The whole thing is pretty transparent to me to be honest. | ||
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On August 06 2012 16:24 Ange777 wrote: Good morning. Just finished catching up. Once again I would like to bring something to your attention. When we were all set on lynching Jingle, everyone was agreeing (besides DarthPunk). It was such an easy vote. Anything wrong with easy votes? Well, day 1 and day 2 votes were easy. What did we get? Town. Oh yeah, day 3 was really difficult. What did we get? Scum! Although some may brush this off as WIFOM (because scum clearly could bus their own member etc), this is one more reason for me to prefer a DarthPunk lynch than a Jingle lynch. aRyuujin made an awesome case and I agree with him that there might be a tiny chance that Jingle is not scum but DarthPunk IS SCUM and therefore has to be lynched today! So you just Ignore my defense as if nothing happened? say that aRyuujin made an awesome case (which is patently false) and then proceed to tell us all I must be lynched? without adding anything to your case. without acknowledging my defense. Either you became massively overconfident with the zork lynch or you are scum. Your case against me is weak as shit. I have more than defended my self. but you just IGNORE EVERYTHING add some WIFOM for good measure and carry on with the bandwagon? | ||
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On August 06 2012 16:42 Obvious.660 wrote: Okay so I went through DarthPunk's filter and rediscovered our little disagreement from earlier in the game. Originally I dismissed it as him misunderstanding the intent of my post. In its original form: + Show Spoiler [The original] + On July 30 2012 18:57 Obvious.660 wrote: Of the remaining people, outside of myself and Promethelax, we have alan133 and DarthPunk who did not vote for Golbat. Since I have already gone back and forth with Promethelax and found his reasons for voting for Shady Sands similar to but above and beyond my own, there are two players remaining to look at. First I'll take a look at alan133's posts: Some behavior analysis: consistent in his methods for determining his best scum target. His vote on Shady Sands was not willy-nilly, and he considered the cases against Golbat and Mordanis as well before casting his vote. Solid play on this end, in my opinion, at least throughout D1. At this point there were 5 votes for Golbat. Two possibilities for this rather well timed post: Town alan133 wants to make sure we don't get into a no-lynch scenario, as that gives us little to work with for actual information that can be 100% confirmed (a flip) or Scum alan133 is setting himself up to ensure a mislynch won't end up looking bad on him if he has to put his vote in as the one of the last people on the Golbat vote list. Of these two scenarios, I'm more easily convinced that alan133 is acting in the best interests of the town. I did want to mention this though if any suspicions arise regarding his votes or actions in the future. I have a question for alan133: How did you make sense of goodkarma's post regarding Keirathi? I'm not really able to pinpoint exactly where that case even is, so you'll need to point it out for me, please. DarthPunk's filter: So the first thing I notice after processing the first half of my post here is that DarthPunk and alan133 both ended up posting around the time where Golbat was at 5 votes. DarthPunk also explained that he would be willing to change his vote from Mordanis to Golbat to avoid a mislynch with his post 40 minutes later. Sounds appropriate given the situation, from a town perspective. But again, we're at the two scenarios as above where we're either seeing avoiding looking bad for the mislynch, or staying around to ensure there is a lynch. It seems his main reason for staying on Mordanis is motivated by finding Mordanis' play as confusing to the town as well as not being convinced about his own case(s). So are they connected somehow? Outside of their willingness to switch votes, here's all I can see:
I don't see any obvious connections here. The only things they had in common so far really was they didn't vote for Golbat, and both were willing to change votes. This tells me nothing of either of them individually but leads me to believe that they are not necessarily of the same alignment. The part that Darth took issue with was that I said he would switch to Golbat to secure the lynch. So why would I say something like that? Reality: I was merely stating that at the time of his post, the most likely candidate for lynch based on the attitude of the town was Golbat who was in first place with 5 votes. In second place was Shady Sands with 3 votes, not exactly a contender for a guaranteed lynch. Easier to use the word Golbat because it actually mirrors reality. He makes it sound like I accused him of a blatant scum slip. Initially I didn't see why Darth would want to correct me, but I finally get it. Darth's Overreaction: Obvious claims I stated I would vote to lynch Golbat. Better correct him so they don't think I said something very clearly scummy when nobody was looking. If Darth had never brought this up and tried to correct me, it would have flown under my radar. I had already dismissed my post as crap and forgotten about it. Thinking about it now, it seems more likely that Darth was too forward thinking in his response to it. Forward thinking. That seems to have come up in a conversation with him, too:+ Show Spoiler [Getting Ahead] + On August 05 2012 19:24 DarthPunk wrote: What? you had suspicions that that is where I was going before I even accused you? Is this because it is the one thing you are afraid of people thinking? On August 05 2012 19:29 DarthPunk wrote: EPWOP: They were far ahead. Zork was inactive and not contributing, had suspicions raised against him several times. It would be a smart play to trade the most obvious member of their scum team for lots of town credit and 2 further mislynches (which you have prepared beforehand.) That is getting further ahead. That is winning the game. I got a laugh from this. I just spent a few min trying to find out how it happened, innocent error that looks really fishy if you don't see where it came from: The inner quote is actually from Ange. Solved the mystery. Imagine if this was Darth actually saying he's concerned Zork will flip scum. Edit before having to double post: It appears we lit a fire under this one... Honestly I'm too tired to go further with this. I see a few votes already heading in this direction. Darth has a town read on Jingle. I don't really see a reason to disagree with GK's summary. I'm trying to figure out how he can know Jingle is town without the use of WIFOM. ##VOTE DarthPunk If you look through my filter I stated quite clearly my problem was that you took your assumption and clearly presented it as my statement. that is all. The Quote of Ange was just her position reversed. I thought zork MAY be scum but I was SURE mordanis was. I have already addressed why I have a town read on jingle. Is there anything else? i fail to see a blatant revelation that explains your position. seems like a weak case to go with the other weak cases to join an increasingly easy bandwagon | ||
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On August 06 2012 16:44 Ange777 wrote: @goodkarma: What you quoted is not my entire case. It is the behaviour which made him scummy but the reason why I want to vote him is the scum motivation behind it. Even if you give DarthPunk the benefit of doubt that he really did believe Zork was a lurker I really don't see why he would put Zork and aRyuujin in one category. To me, aRyuujin seems like a bored town who can't bother himself to post more active. His most recent activity fits that perfectly. Which is why I will not vote for aRyuujin. Scum doesn't always show themselves with some damning piece of evidence. (And even if they do as in Zork's slip not everyone accepts it ... ) You have to instead think about why someone would do this or that and whether it is scum motivated or if there is a town motivation for it. Therefore I'd like you to weigh once more whether you really think that there might be a town motivation for DarthPunk's behaviour or whether a scum DarthPunk would make so much more sense. So you actually have ignored my defense on all those points. and added nothing to the case against me. OK I think it would be obvious why if we lynched someone based on them lurking it would be aRyuujin. he had half a page filter and had missed a vote. yet you had a town read from him? Please add something to the case that has not been answered other than 'I believe him to be scum therefore he is scum' I never said you were my top scum read. I thought it was possible. and if you note the context. I was specifically assked by YOU to provide a scum read other than yourself. which I then did. You are ONCE AGAIN using information YOU ASKED FOR as some sort of proof I am scum. Seriously? | ||
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On August 06 2012 17:03 Ange777 wrote: I did not make this case because you were away which I had seen. Stop making up bad excuses to discredit me. Jingle has played so badly that I fail to see any kind of town motivation. There are two options: He really just IS that bad or he must be scum. You on the other hand have played clearly with scum motivation. Therefore naturally I prefer to lynch you. If that was your issue with the case on Jingle than congrats, I am agreeing with you on this point. For the last time, I did not bait you. What is wrong with asking someone for the reasons why they don't want to vote for a case? And why would you obviously come after me? Town should not be afraid of dying because they are town, not scum. You don't need to be afraid if one person comes after you instead you should continue to hunt scum. That is a town indicator. So what did you do? You first came after me when I accused you, than after aRyuujin accused you you switched to him. You are indeed flailing around and throwing mud at all your accusers. Scum. aRyuujinb accused me first FYI. you did bait me. [b]If you had not asked why the case was weaker there would be no 'soft defense'[b] It's ironic that you say I am throwing mud at my accusers, as both of you suddenly changed your opinion on lynching jingle as soon as I threw suspicion upon you. Please refrain from basing your case on a feeling. Saying I am throwing mud around etc. without actually adding anything to the case which I have not already responded to or cannot respond to. Feelings, baseless accusations etc. | ||
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On August 06 2012 17:06 Ange777 wrote: You are getting sulky. The easy bandwagon would have been Jingle. When we had the consensus to lynch him, there was no posting at all from town for the entire first half of day 3. This is what I am talking about. I am getting sulky?? what does that add to the case. you are posting ad nauseum whilst adding nothing to the case that I have not addressed, even though you Implied you would. | ||
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a.) I cast doubt on your position as town 'leader' and your scum buddy aRyuujin. b.) you are using your 'town cred' in order to make the more diffcult mislynch first. and then you can easily mislynch an easier target tomorrow at MYLO c.) You are either scum or incredibly over confident and arrogant. you make a weak case. add nothing to it but he is scum he must be lynched and then assume town will follow you without question. | ||
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On August 06 2012 16:59 aRyuujin wrote: Also @ Obvious: I spent about 2 minutes trying to figure that mystery out myself, as well, finally gave up lol. And Obvious references a good point: I have already explained this. Is it so difficult to find anything on me that you must constantly rehash old points that have been addressed ad nauseum? | ||
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On August 06 2012 17:33 aRyuujin wrote: EBWOP: Sorry, should've refreshed the main thread. Didn't see all of DP's posts you just made 5 crappy posts in a row, accusing your accusers. Why? Because they accused you. Sounds like flailing to me. Your "argument" against the whole "Jingle = ez lynch" literally makes no sense. He's not there to defend himself? Wait a minute. Earlier, you said that Ange attacks people who aren't there to defend themselves BECAUSE they're not there (using yourself as an example). And in those 5 posts, you still haven't done anything constructive except provide absurd arguments. Because you seem to like traditional argumentation, you can say this post is basically 50% Reductio ad absurdum. How are they absurd arguments? everything that has been brought up has been answered. I am frustrated that you and ange seem to be determined to not read the thread or my filter. and I am having to refer you countless times to posts that are easily found in my filter. They are not absurd arguments. neither of you have actually raised any further evidence other than that which I have completely defend myself against and now just seem heel bent in discrediting me, either through trying to discredit my arguments without providing a reason. or through trying to state I am emotional or sulky. Every case against me has been answered. You have not brought about further cases but are simply trying to discredit me or paint me scum with things that are not relevant. Feelings, Opinions etc. Not facts. Not evidence. Not a case. If you feel like my previous posts were non-productive you are correct because I am wasting time by addressing arguments that aren't arguments at all. Like the above. | ||
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As far as I can tell I have addressed every case or referred you to read my filter because it is addressed therein. I am going to have to leave the thread for a bit shortly. I am sure there will be alot of posts when I get back which state I am scum whilst providing no evidence. so I have something to look forward too @everyone else isn't the difference in posting from aRyuujin absolutely INCREDIBLE? | ||
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regarding off topicness. I think both you and ange are being incredibly rude to me. I am guessing it is a case of perspective | ||
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