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blazinghand Add: zorkmid xsebt strongandbig hier glasse countdropula majugarzett = 2 more to start! | ||
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 Player Roster 1. Hassybaby 2. prplhz 3. grush57 4. slOosh 5. ghost_403 6. Toadesstern 7. wherebugsgo 8. visceraeyes 9. BroodKingEXE 10. tailsmania 11. Erandorr 12. lazermonkey 13. Hopeless1der 14. jinglehell 15. zephirdd 16. zorkmid 17. XsebT 18. strongandbig 19. Hier 20. Glasse 21. CountDropula 22. MajuGarzett 23. BioSC 24. Synystyr Replacements 1. marvellosity 2. s0Lstice | ||
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I didn't post last night because it was late and I wanted sufficient time to read the thread before inputting my thoughts. Many people aren't actually thinking this through when trying to untie all this stuff. If WBG was scum then revealing that information to town is benefit to us, because scum would already know that, so calling him scum on that basis makes no sense. Both VE and Erandorr are acting in a way I feel like a town mason who has been outed would. So this whole thing gives us decent reads on them. As for WBG, he is null. I want us to start talking about Zephirdd, Toadesstern and talismania. Zephirdd because he is posting but not actually contributing - for instance his lurker-list post follows the whole mason outting thing and his only thoughts are On August 04 2012 01:53 Zephirdd wrote: biosc majugarzett countdropula hier xsebt zorkmid broodkingexe ghost_403 sl00sh These are names that strike me as to no contribution or whatsoever. So far all I got from the thread is town calling town scum because they think they are playing better than the other. Well, maybe there is scum involved in all of this, but I can't differentiate really. Can you guys ALL post please? So, most of the town has posted, and he feels really on the fence about it all, so the best thing to do is give up and move onto new targets? His whole filter is posting disguised as contributions. Zephirdd is today's Lynch candidate #1. Toad and talis are weird due to their interactions with each other. One is, why the heck are you putting stuff in spoilers? The contents of it are clearly written in a way addressing others, yet they are playing this weird lovey dovey send secret messages to each other junks. Toad points out huge problems in talis' mason thought post but doesn't move to call him scum / convince others. Talis responds by doing the same thing. Talis then moves on to ask inane questions. Toad seems to care about what's actually going on in thread so he isn't as bad. Talis is Lynch candidate #2. | ||
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I highly prefer Zephirdd lynch over talis as of now because the former requires much less reading to realize how little there is worth reading. | ||
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Toad seems to care about what's actually going on in thread so he isn't as bad Thoughts on Zephirdd and updated thoughts on Talis? | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:29 JingleHell wrote: Got it, you sort of suspect everyone, which is convenient if someone flips red. And, of course, even though Zeph hasn't contributed much, I can't help but notice Sloosh targets his list post, but doesn't mind yours. It's because they are of a different kind. Zeph's is purely those who haven't posted yet, Toad's is his scum reads. You can hold the latter accountable. The former fits in with his play of posting but not contributing. | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:41 talismania wrote: @sloosh + Show Spoiler + I put things in spoiler tags when they aren't pertinent to the most important stuff happening in the thread. my reply to toad was about theory of the game setup, when at that point we already had actual game shit happening that was more important (wbg calling out VE). First, could you stop spoilering stuff unless they are big posts? Second, what is your actual read on Toad then? Did your discussion with him give you any insights? | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:30 Toadesstern wrote: Okay so I'm doing this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=14#264 and prplhz answers with this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=14#265 I considered his post reasonable. My post had nothing in it other than some colored names. The normal reaction should be "why?" and he did that. Next thing he does is this himself after "calling me out" on my first post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=15#295 As mentioned. I obviously thought this is a joke or some reaction fishing to test how glasse reacts or wether or not some idiots join in and yell "yeah, let's lynch that mofu! Totally agree". Why I thought it has to be a joke? Look at glasse's filter. The guy had 3 posts back then. Two posts that read nothing to me and one I actually liked. His "case" involves all 3 posts glass did: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=15#299 1st post: I have never played with glasse and it's his first post. It's useless. No shit sherloc. Let's check the first post of some guys and you'll realize that most stuff is useless or even trollish. 2nd post: I kind of agree with what prplhz posted here, however as mentioned I never played with glasse. If this guy is a vet I never heard about, that's a bad post. If this guy is some new guy, like I care lol 3rd post: I actually liked that post and considered it a possibility myself. WBG could have made both things up, knowing that at least VE was not around to get some reactions. I don't see that as undermining WBG at all. It's saying "hey guys, let's not get to much into this and wait until we get a confirmation from VE and Eran on this". That's reasonable. So again, I considered this to be a joke and thought prplhz is fishing for reactions because there's no way he actually thinks that way imo. But he admitted he actually meant what he posted so that's really weird. Mmm yea, I'd agree with you on the Glasse. Voting first and giving an explanation afterward when asked of the suspect seems backward to me. Furthermore, I dunno why he called me out - I played like junks the game he mentioned so why my input was absolutely necessary seems like a diversion if anything. In either case I'm interested in his updated thoughts so I'll wait on those. | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote: "not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing? wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them. VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role. Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum. Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions. prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread. Everything else is a null tell. I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't. Deal with it. Wow, way to discredit me without actually doing it. Could you explain which posts lead you to believe the bolded parts of your post? | ||
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On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote: But I was being cute! My actual read of toad is "ugh". If I had to pick I'd say scum. It seems weird that I got the all red letter designation but I honestly can't remember sitting here now why. I think it was just because he disagreed with me about my thoughts on the masons. Oh and also it was that my post wasn't like my early game post in pyp et al. Which is true it wasn't but I was scum that game and I've kinda gotten lynched in two games since then for doing the same shit (and toad should know that from hosting ssb64) so no crazy plans or ideas from me this time. But I think that honestly you could say I was scum just as much as you could say VE was scum, yet toad has VE in alternating letters and me in all red. _________________ ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. So currently you have Toad as scum. Are you calling VE scum or what? | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:54 slOosh wrote: Wow, way to discredit me without actually doing it. Could you explain which posts lead you to believe the bolded parts of your post? Who are you talking to, and could you explain the bolded parts? | ||
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On August 04 2012 05:43 Zephirdd wrote: Then he mirrors a player that has shown a case, throw a bunch of unnecessary town reads(nobody asked that, why do it) and after some fluff he says Glasse was "hilariously obviously scummy" without giving true reasoning(ie. giving a post and explaining why that was a scum post). On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote: "not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing? And also how you can so confidently claim that WBG believes there is scum among the masons? I don't recall such a post, and even if you can see yourself doing it it doesn't mean that therefore he must believe the same thing - you essentially are putting words in his mouth. | ||
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What post of his makes you assume WBG is thinking in the same way as you? | ||
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On August 04 2012 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I can lynch Zeph. ##Vote Zephirdd slOosh what do you think about prplhz? I thought he was a little tame for what I'm used to when I attacked him...but then again he's playing differently in general from what I'm used to judging from his last couple of games...I'm null leaning scum. What about you? Mmm I got some problems too, that I mentioned in response to Toad's case, and looking over the context, I'm leaning scum. Maybe not day 1 material, but definitely has potential for night 1 or day 2. Take this for instance: On August 04 2012 02:10 prplhz wrote: @Toadesstern My posting should be self explanatory. There was no secret plan, Glasse was being scummy. That said, I'm willing to let him go for now after his latest post explaining his wherebugsgo read. If you still have problems then flesh them out. ##Unvote Glasse On August 03 2012 23:01 prplhz wrote: Useless post. Talks about flavor and deadline. Seems like a token first post that townies wouldn't really care to make.Non committal post. Asks if your opinions are okay. Scum are focused on how they appear while townies think things through and just say how they feel.Spreading doubt and undermining wherebugsgo. Now tell me how and why you are town if you're really as town as town can be. Who is scum? There is a disconnect. He treats WBG as town but never vocalizes why, even though multiple players are trying to figure it out at the time. He "lets him go" for his explanation on his WBG read, but that wasn't the initial reason he thought Glasse was scum, only a part - I really doubt that that portion was so critical in obtaining a read on Glasse. Throw in a loaded question and you've got yourself someone really suspicious. That said, I would like to consolidate today's lynch and my preference is heavy on Zeph. If anyone wants to lynch prplhz today opposed to Zeph, it better come with a solid defense of Zeph, or a solid accusation against prplhz beyond what has already been said. | ||
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On August 04 2012 06:43 Zephirdd wrote: When you defend someone, do you know what that person is thinking? I don't find wbg's actions scummy. I gave you a possible POV that shows you that he wasn't scummy(aka. what I think he was thinking). What else is there to say? Usually, since you can glean thoughts from posts. I've asked which of WBG's posts you have gleaned that thought "there is scum in the masons", and you still haven't given me anything, nor a sufficient explanation. In either case, would you please shed some thoughts on prplhz or any other potential lynch candidate for today? | ||
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People who are "baiting" - I'm not totally familiar with the term but it seems like it is an easy way to explain away suspicious behavior. This stops now. That sort of stuff belongs in PM-land if at all, and I want it out of my thread. @talis: Stop it with the interest in flavor - you are spamming up the thread and if you are town you are doing a terrible job. A whole 24hrs into the day and all I have from you is "Ok with policy lynching". I will push for your lynch before a policy lynch. Proper organized thoughts on actual scum targets rather than screwing around. @WBG: On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: He was town in LV. In either case I'd think him more vig rather than lynch material, and in a town like this where activity is the main problem (opposed to spamming), he won't do much damage. Do you not like any of the other possible lynch candidates brought up so far?Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV. I also want some current thoughts on prplhz - talk on him ended up getting buried and I have no interest in cutting him slack when he hasn't shown anything worth cutting slack for. | ||
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As for WBG, I don't really care about the mason thing at all. This is what I care about. On August 04 2012 17:47 wherebugsgo wrote: also no, obviously I think all the other lynch candidates are inferior. Why should we resort to trusting a vig to shoot grush? How do we even know if we have a vig? This sort of stuff really pisses me off, because it delays the inevitable. On August 04 2012 21:14 wherebugsgo wrote: For the record both grush and prplhz are 95% scum to me. First is that no one has really talked about prplhz between these two posts, and I doubt it can be a reading oversight because the first quote is a reply to my post which ends with On August 04 2012 12:05 slOosh wrote: I also want some current thoughts on prplhz - talk on him ended up getting buried and I have no interest in cutting him slack when he hasn't shown anything worth cutting slack for. How does prplhz the inferior become prplhz the 95% scum (btw a number that is totally arbitrary and means nothing)? I don't think his is a filter that drastically changes with a some rereads. Nor do I think anyone can seriously find grush so much scummier than say, talis, who is completely oblivious to the happenings in the thread. Furthermore he is flinging mud on names rather than arguments as Erandorr points out, which is something independent of the validity of his mason case. And for everyone else who is using the argument "I would rather lynch someone like grush57 than someone like WBG", well that's some blatant favoritism over the other no-presence lurkers and it just shows how little you care about figuring stuff out now since the same problem will be here tomorrow. If you are town, get off your bum and put some effort in. ##Vote: Wherebugsgo | ||
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You aren't lynching WBG solely because grush57 is worse, and not in the scummy sense but just as an overall player? If we had a double lynch / grush was replaced or something, would you lynch WBG or would you just default to another lurker? Because right now all I see is you don't want to vote WBG even as you concede that he is scummy / suspicious. | ||
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On August 05 2012 03:49 BioSC wrote: What I want is people to at least discuss the fact that no one wants to talk about Grush because he's "Always Useless". In a game where votes matter and reasons for voting are just as important, we are letting him get away with doing nothing because its easy to just let him be useless and not discuss it. Obviously, I'm in the minority with regards to Grush. I can see that. I just don't want this game to devolve into letting people post like that with no questions whatsoever. Yes, I can see how people thought he was scummy. His handling of the mason discussion could have been better. I was withholding my vote to see if Errandor/Bugs would post their mason logs. As of yet, it hasn't happened. I'm just saying that perhaps there are better targets than him. Well the hypocrisy here is that you are letting WBG get away with doing something because it's easy to go after "easy" targets. This isn't about lynching between WBG and grush57, it's about lynching the one you think will most likely flip scum. Do you think grush has a greater chance of flipping scum than WBG? If so, vote him and argue for it. If not, then reconsider your stance. | ||
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PM dialogue shows what I think is legitimate frustration, a higher degree of consistency (since you talk in real time), and fits in with what he has said in the thread. | ||
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On August 05 2012 04:09 Toadesstern wrote: I don't really know what to make of the pm-log. I agree with slOosh that it looks to be genuine but I still don't understand why. It's like "BAM I'm here and fuck you" out of nowhere. So I don't really get why they had this mud fight. I don't see a reason to be that insulting in the thread and I don't see a reason to be like that in the log either. There's a couple of things in there I'm having problems with, like the one I just quoted in my most recent post. He is pissed off, and consistently so. I don't mind him calling the player base awful since I don't think it's a high level base, and with the several people I'm unsure with I find their play this game lackluster. He does his meta thing with grush, but that is consistent with his play throughout the months - he likes meta and he uses it well. I dislike meta since it's hard for me to use, and I guess the conflict arises when he calls grush obv scum, we can't see it and then he gets mad that we can't see something that is so obvious to him. However I don't want to do what I see as a lurker lynch. Also he spends 1 hr arguing with Erandorr. 1 hr. Trying to convince him (Erandorr) that he (WBG) is town. This is like ... what a town would do. In any case it addresses the major concern I had with WBG, which is he doesn't care about the lynch, and the PMs show that he does care, just in a way that it is difficult for me to immediately understand. I agree with his (WBG) mason stuff as I mentioned before so everything checks out. Now it is a matter of picking out who to lynch: I'm deciding between prplhz and talis, both who have done crap to be associated with the WBG lynch, i.e. if WBG flips town then they are free from blame and get to point more fingers. | ||
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On August 05 2012 04:33 wherebugsgo wrote: Also the people who think I willingly brought attention to myself are funny. I didn't fully think of the repercussions when I outted the masons in terms of thread presence but I also didn't account for the fact that many people who have different opinions will consider opposing viewpoints as scummy (because they are incapable of understanding that different does not mean scum) I think you are town and rules say you can't vote yourself. Do you think talis could be town? Because I want to vote him or prplhz and am willing to do all the legwork to get town to do it. | ||
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On August 05 2012 04:53 strongandbig wrote: if you're town then your play this game has been fucking terrible. i guess maybe you have irl shit but that's really the only explanation i could accept for why you've been playing the way you have instead of how you normally play. like, i usually have a lot of respect for how you play but if you're town this game you're being both stupid and an asshole, and i don't feel like sitting here and taking your shit. He got pissed off and it resulted in some unwanted behavior. Move on - do you have any objections to a talismania lynch? | ||
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On August 05 2012 04:57 Toadesstern wrote: what about this? We lynch Mr 95% mafia: Prplhz I said he's mafia. Erandorr seems to agree, WBG posted most recently that he thinks prplhz is mafia as well, sloOsh thinks prplhz is mafia and prplhz thinks WBG is town, which is REALLY odd unless he wants to tell people later "told ya", which is one of the reasons I am questioning the wbg lynch. If Prplhz flips mafia we're all happy. If Prplhz flips town we lynch/shoot WBG + talis I don't understand your aversion to the talis lynch. We already got some votes on him, and he has been at the top of your scum list from the start of the game. Any reason why you want to do it in this specific order? | ||
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WBG is town as town can be. I'd totally back a d2 prplhz lynch too (or n1 shot but I aint no vig  ) | ||
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Since it seems like the greater consensus is prplhz as scum, I will move my vote to him. VE is going to have to come back and cast his vote in the voting thread anyway. This way we have the best chance of lynching prplhz. ##Unvote: talismania ##Vote: prplhz | ||
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On August 05 2012 05:27 Toadesstern wrote: if one of them had to be mafia? A or B. I consider it highly likely that mafia would mason someone who says "I'm against outing masons" like I did instead of masoning someone else. So if there's only 4 masons in the game I'd say it's quite likely that one of those 2 who masoned me is mafia. However I don't know how many masons there are. I know of 4 and I wasn't the only one who said he's not going to out masons. I'm going to post logs prior to the n1 deadline though. If someone else. who happened to be very vocal about not outing masons got masoned as well and we have a "Mason C" somewhere or even a "Mason D" not using his mason power that might change the whole assumption. If we only have 4 masons one of the 2 guys on me has to be mafia imo but there's no reason to believe there are only 4 masons in this game right now. Or at least nothing that indicates that it's that way and I don't plan on lynching 2 mason for the lulz just to figure out there was a 5th mason. Just discern what they are trying to accomplish with their PMs whether they are trying to sway the lynch one direction over the other etc. Because I really want to lynch talis but more important than that is that we consolidate our votes and hit either prplhz or talis. Or WBG if you really, really, really still think he is scum. | ||
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On August 05 2012 05:36 strongandbig wrote: forgot to answer this. My objection to a talismania lynch is that it's not a wbg lynch. I don't understand why his recent behavior makes people think he's town. I don't see how it's alignment indicative. Read his PM log with Erandorr. Try to approach it from a "what is scum WBG trying to accomplish with his actions" rather than a "is WBG playing as well as what I envision a town WBG would play like". | ||
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On August 05 2012 05:48 strongandbig wrote: Just finished reading it. So you're thinking about this wrong. wbg's play isn't accomplishing objectives when he gets into this fight with errandor and starts raging everywhere. As I've said before, I think that scum wbg would be just as upset at the prospect of getting lynched for what he sees as shitty reasons as town wbg would. What I see in that pm log is just what wbg said it was - no serious attempt to persuade, except to persuade erandor that he's stupid. So no, I don't see that chat log as alignment indicative, I see it as "wbg being in a really bad mood for some out of game reason" indicative. Look at his play before the fight between him and erandorr, that's where we have things that are actually valid to analyze. I understand where you are coming from, and if that's general town consensus then maybe it is best if WBG died so we clear up the air. I would disagree with that but that doesn't accomplish anything, namely getting the lynch I want in prplhz or talismania. So between you and me let's talk D2 lynch. talismania has outed Toad's masons (and I don't think the Toad claimed them prior), and has called out a potential mason tie between me and countdropula. Do you find him guilty of scum on those grounds? And thoughts on prplhz' general play thus far. | ||
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Lynch prplhz. His filter shows no desire to actually scumhunt. His positioning on WBG is opportunistic and doesn't actually do anything to either move the lynch forward or stop it. Cases have been made before: On August 04 2012 04:30 Toadesstern wrote: Okay so I'm doing this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=14#264 and prplhz answers with this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=14#265 I considered his post reasonable. My post had nothing in it other than some colored names. The normal reaction should be "why?" and he did that. Next thing he does is this himself after "calling me out" on my first post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=15#295 As mentioned. I obviously thought this is a joke or some reaction fishing to test how glasse reacts or wether or not some idiots join in and yell "yeah, let's lynch that mofu! Totally agree". Why I thought it has to be a joke? Look at glasse's filter. The guy had 3 posts back then. Two posts that read nothing to me and one I actually liked. His "case" involves all 3 posts glass did: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=15#299 1st post: I have never played with glasse and it's his first post. It's useless. No shit sherloc. Let's check the first post of some guys and you'll realize that most stuff is useless or even trollish. 2nd post: I kind of agree with what prplhz posted here, however as mentioned I never played with glasse. If this guy is a vet I never heard about, that's a bad post. If this guy is some new guy, like I care lol 3rd post: I actually liked that post and considered it a possibility myself. WBG could have made both things up, knowing that at least VE was not around to get some reactions. I don't see that as undermining WBG at all. It's saying "hey guys, let's not get to much into this and wait until we get a confirmation from VE and Eran on this". That's reasonable. So again, I considered this to be a joke and thought prplhz is fishing for reactions because there's no way he actually thinks that way imo. But he admitted he actually meant what he posted so that's really weird. On August 04 2012 04:50 slOosh wrote: Mmm yea, I'd agree with you on the Glasse. Voting first and giving an explanation afterward when asked of the suspect seems backward to me. Furthermore, I dunno why he called me out - I played like junks the game he mentioned so why my input was absolutely necessary seems like a diversion if anything. In either case I'm interested in his updated thoughts so I'll wait on those. He has no thoughts. He has no contributions. He doesn't care about today's lynch. He is scum. | ||
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On August 05 2012 06:18 Erandorr wrote: Could you guys also please look at the "fight" where i try really hard to actually do stuff and he insults me about 100 times. It goes back to "why would scum WBG do what he did?" Because you say that outing masons is completely anti-town and disagree with what he did. However, this isn't absolute truth as logic is, it is a camp of thought, something like "masons are valuable town resources and should be treated with same respect / care as other traditional blues". His camp of thought is "outing masons is better as a reasonable way to confirm the alignment of the mason, hinder scum use of masons and force them to make subpar shots". The issue is how valuable do you think a mason is. More than a cop? Less than a medic? There isn't a clearcut answer, and trying to come to a consensus inside a game is futile and unproductive. He outted 2 masons without asking them because asking beforehand defeats the whole purpose. Through it we now have varying degrees of town-reads on you and VE. That's a town motive - get more accurate reads on town. You can dispute how it wasn't worth outting a blue, but first you would have to convince everyone that what he did was egregious and utmost scummy, and then you would have to convince us that WBG knew this and chose the "inferior" path and therefore what he did was scummy. Because I think what he did was fine. Am I supporting a scummy thought? I don't think so. It's just different. Several of us (me, Toad, VE) have moved on with varying opinions on WBG. I ask you to do the same. Consider prplhz and talismania. If you still think WBG is scum that's fine, but let's focus as a town and get some discussion on prplhz and talismania, because regardless of today's lynch they are serious contenders for d2 lynch. | ||
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On August 05 2012 06:32 Toadesstern wrote: wat? the guys I'm in chat with are outed somewhere? Where? Did I miss something? Or was it just about Talis saying "yeah figured you got masoned" ? If he mentioned a name somewhere it's probably wrong because I can't remember something lol No names, but the fact that he is drawing attention to that you got masoned, when I have no recollection of you saying that (if you did then I missed it). It's like seeing someone act like detective and pointing it out to everyone in thread. | ||
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On August 05 2012 06:54 Lazermonkey wrote: When is the lynch happening? I've been busy as hell these last two days and finally got some time to post now. I will reread some stuff now 3 hours I think? | ||
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On August 05 2012 06:55 Hier wrote: I do not understand this prplhz accusation. There are literally two things he has done: 1) Accuse Glasse of having passive posts. 2) Change his vote to slOosh for not being active. Then he gets drunk and goes MIA. Instead I'm starting to look at Toad for borderline forcing people to vote for prplhz, as opposed to encouraging votes for whoever people consider scummy. WBG I'm almost convinced is town, in light of the conversation log between him and Erandorr. You've said it yourself in your post. What has he done that you think him town? Prplhz is a good town player, and in this game he has contributed nothing. What Toad is doing isn't scummy. We need to get a lynch off and since we have alot of votes on WBG, we need even more votes on prplhz to lynch him. Because right now if everyone votes for who they think are scummy, then WBG will die. | ||
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slOosh
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On July 14 2012 09:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Time Cycle: This game will follow a 24 hour night/48 hour day cycle. In case I am not able to post around deadline, any votes after the 48 hour mark will not count and the game will be put on halt until the night post is up. Currently the deadline is 9pm est, but that is subject to change. Actions/votes will be accepted up to and including the posted time, but not after. I believe EST is eastern standard time. Right now I live in midwest and its 5pm, so its 6pm there, and with a deadline of 9pm there is 3 hours left. | ||
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This plays into mafia agenda. This game is plurality lynch. Our concern is never the no lynch. Our concern is not consolidating, allowing mafia votes to have more power (since are on the same page and can pool votes more effectively). I'm not bullying you - I'm asking you to be realistic. Right now WBG is the frontrunner. He will get lynched unless people unvote him, or people vote someone else more than him. You have the power to do that latter. However, sticking your vote on someone who has no votes is essentially throwing away your vote. Unless you think WBG is scum and prplhz isn't there should be any reason not to vote prplhz. Please realize that independence weakens town's ability to lynch correctly. | ||
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slOosh
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On August 05 2012 07:07 Erandorr wrote: yeah prplhz deserves to be hammered as well, but it still amazes me that you would reduce the entire case on bugs on the mason thing. I think strongandbigs points were the strongest, to be frank, he found some really good quotes and made some very good points on wbg. Which is funny, because if you read what wbg is writing, he is reducing almost everything that has been written as me tunneling him and I am completely terrible and tunnel him every game*(which is a lie btw. In the Pms he even lied straight to my face and said I called him scum in mini mafia X (where he was scum) when I actually did not consider him. Look at the logs and that game,he is blatantly lying about that) . And it is working. I will keep my vote on WBG unless someone other than him or Prplhz would get lynched, in which case I will move to prpl. No one else though and I would rather see WBG dead than prplhz I think I'm cutting at what started the whole thing. I can see what he did being a town move to make. You can disagree with that but it doesn't mean that it is fundamentally scummy. It has had the effect of giving soild / better town reads on you and VE, pressured scum masons and perhaps night kills. I don't think his original intent in outing masons was a scummy thing to do. He could have easily passed off shooting VE N1 no probs. If he really thinks your play is poor, he would have been fine letting you live. Rather, WBG outted the information publicly, giving town reasons. His follow up play is ugly. I agree with you. However I can see it stemming from frustration and anger. Maybe I can empathize because I did the exact same thing in Normal Mini Mafia II, where I got emotional and did a whole bunch of anti-town stuff, leading to my mislynch and town loss. I agree that he did some serious mudslinging, and that there is bad blood in thread. However, I think the cause of his frustration is justified in that the original case against him doesn't really show him scum. My meta read on him is town - he is consistent not only with his play this game but his recent mafia philosophys. Yes, he is hypocritical in that he got pissed off and he admits it with the establishing innocence post, but I find that him being town makes much more sense. Maybe I'm being biased because I respect the guy and think his scum play doesn't stoop this low, but it is what it is. In either case, I think we can glean so much more of everyone's response to the WBG issue regardless of WBG's actual alignment. That's the direction I want to go from here. | ||
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slOosh
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Erandorr & strongandbig: I don't think we are accomplishing much with our discussion right now so I'll stop now. I think we have to filter out everyone else in light of the WBG issue first, since even if he is scum there are 4 more, and we need to keep in mind future leads. | ||
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On August 06 2012 04:56 Hier wrote: + Show Spoiler [giant case on Talis] + Talismania: Honestly, I don’t know your alignment. But some interesting points that will have me pondering over are the following. 1) You ask two people, directly, what their opinions are of various players (including each other!) 2 hours after the game starts and before you even offer any reads yourself. + Show Spoiler [Erandorr] + On August 04 2012 00:06 talismania wrote: Erandorr what do you think of Glasse? (again) also, what do you think of toad and VE? + Show Spoiler [Toadesstern] + On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote: yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? 2) Then you dump this on us: On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote: yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. So you blindly agree with Sloosh without any afterword, and you label Jinglebell, Lazer, and SnB town aligned without any explanation whatsoever. Looks more like filler. 3) You go fishing for roles and alignments. On August 04 2012 05:13 talismania wrote: ps can people post their character names? I just want to satisfy my curiosity to find out who is in the game - I know that they don't mean anything since I'm VT with Henry Francis. Although I will LOL if scum has Ted Chaugh and Putnam, Powell, Lowe etc. And if WBG is veteran since Roger comes back from a heart attack in the first season. 4) Keep tunnelling. + Show Spoiler [Constant questions without much else] + On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote: zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote: Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes? Completely cool with you? On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote: strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 04:20 talismania wrote: uh the only other read I see in your filter is about grush. Do you still think he is scum? Do you think anyone else is scum? How do you respond to what strongandbig said? 5) Finally you are just assuming Sloosh is town and order medics to protect him. On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote: Ok so 1) Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him. I’m not completely confident on your alignment, none of this is conclusive for me, but come on; you need to sell your town play better. I want to lynch Hier for this post. He prefaces his case by saying he doesn't know talis' alignment, so what's the point of it? He points out 5 different things that he finds scummy / weird and nothing at all that indicates he should think talis is town. He ends by reiterating his hesitation, twice, and then gives talis advice that he should do a better job being town. Exudes uncertainty ("not completely confident") and confidence ("you need to sell your town play better") in the same line. Classic contradiction I'd vig / lynch into. SnB, I think I was pretty transparent that my ultimate preference is that we consolidate a lynch on either prplhz or talismania over WBG. Both looked scummy, and I was fine lynching both. I didn't find talis vastly or concretely more scummy than prplhz, if that is what you are interpreting from my post. On that note: Detectives Don't Check Masons I'm sure you guys are competent enough, but just in case it slips your mind, don't check masons unless you think they are lying about being masons (i.e. 2 scum faking mason interaction). I will also be rereading talis for spewing out more anti-town advice. Thread direction is very important to note and I'd encourage everyone to keep it in mind as they reread thread. | ||
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Talismania is tomorrow's lynch. He has continued to ask inane questions, pursue irrelevant topics, and the problem is that people are actually getting distracted in responding to him. He has under the guise of ignorance tried to pass off anti town advice and is feigning contribution when it really is meaningless activity. Other good scum candidates I picked up combing through thread were BioSC Hier Lazermonkey VE is maybe 3rd tier. Unless he has a strong showing tomorrow I'd chalk him up scum using mason as an excuse for thread inactivity. Reminder to detectives that you are ROLE cops, not ALIGNMENT cops. That is, checking masons are a waste of an investigation. Vigs should aim to shoot scum. SCUM. Shooting lurker is not ok unless you have reasonable belief that he is scum, because frankly we have too many and you will probably end up hitting a lazy townie. | ||
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On August 06 2012 09:13 Lazermonkey wrote: But arguing that shooting grush tonight because he has a 76% of flipping town is stupid. Not only did I not argue for this at all, but the statement itself is very foolish. Vigs take note. | ||
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