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Detective You have the ability to make night investigations. Once per night phase, you may PM me to ask for the role of one player Sane/Insane/naive/paranoid possible or are you always the normal one? Mason At the beginning of every cycle, you may send a PM to me detailing who you would like to Mason with during that cycle. If I were to be a mason, would that mean I'd be able to mason someone on d1 as well or only starting d2? This "at the beginning of every cycle" sounds a lot like "send in at night so that it will count for the next cycle". Will masons be allowed to send in a partner before the game has started (in case they want to) so that they'll have a partner for d1 as well or are they allowed to send something in during the first couple of hours of the first cycle or will they simply not have a partner d1? | ||
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On July 22 2012 03:05 Erandorr wrote: /in ? BRATWURST | ||
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On July 24 2012 09:25 VisceraEyes wrote: I'll make sure to count it against you in-game if you play it there then. <3 same here :3 Also nice to see I'm not the only one not watching the show. Actually I heard about it because of this game for the first time lol. Might start watching or at least google it to find out what it's about. Stupid europe and their not up to date TV shows (if you're not from the uk). If I hadn't 5 guys poking me non-stop "dude, start watching GoT" I'd still not have heard about that show. | ||
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On July 25 2012 02:05 Zephirdd wrote: nah its not, we have it in Brazil. If it exists here, I'm fairly sure it exists everywhere lol. Germany really is something different when it comes down to those things sadly... After all the stuff with youtube it's not that surprising though. | ||
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On July 28 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote: It's BC smurfing into his own game :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I actually considered that to be a possibilty in Callers last Caller game. I almost was a little sad figuring out not a single smurf was his | ||
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On July 29 2012 00:59 strongandbig wrote: Does that mean you know who quicksilver was? What if it was caller smurfing as someone who actually plays mafia? (I still think it was ace tho) Wasn't it prphlz? I think I knew who every smurf was afterwards or even half through the game but no idea right now. That game was 50% smurfs and I really can't tell them appart anymore, so might be his smurf was called something else and quicksilver was palmar or whoever else. | ||
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On August 01 2012 03:53 Hopeless1der wrote: 3 hours and 12 minutes. On August 01 2012 07:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am actually on TL daily. However If i am on my phone I never post I will update the signup list and start getting everything ready to go, but will most likely start thursday as I am preoccupied currently with DnD session prep (drawing maps, writing up the session blah blah) for tommorrow then running the session tommorrow night. I may have time to get it up and running tommorrow, but chances are it will start up thursday as my schedule becomes slightly less hectic. +07:14 -03:53 ______ 03:21 It was 3:12 not 3:21 you got it all wrong! | ||
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On August 01 2012 12:41 Zephirdd wrote: pregame tips: the more you post, the better. We all want a new Gonzaw vs VE vs Toad game, don't we? It's only day2? NPNP already 150pages of posts :p | ||
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I heard people who only have 1 page of filter before the game starts are considered lame. So 7 more to go, right? | ||
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On August 02 2012 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote: Our spam-off would be epic...not this game though. Promise me Toad! SWEAR IT!! My lawyer told me not to talk about this request. Promises are lame anyways. | ||
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On August 02 2012 06:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Paralyze? thats for sissies. Making them fall prone and constant stabbing of their near defenseless bodies is where its at. Worst thing are bitches trolling everyone with charisma things. "What? How in the world is he able to bluff me into thinking we're standing in front of the holy cockroach temple. That makes no sense at all, didn't you give him a hell of mali on that roll? - Sure, he still roled a 67 and made you believe it, so from now on you think this is the holy temple of the cockroaches - How in the world is he able to get a 67 on bluffing?" You can make people do whatever you want them to do with enough charisma as long as you max out bluffing . Actually using skills (spells or fights I guess?) is lame to make people do something :p + Show Spoiler [Mr. Bearington] + | ||
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On August 02 2012 12:16 rastaban wrote: Nothing quite like finding out even the loot wants to eat you. yeah, that's actually the best thing you can do if everyone is greedy. "-Ok, 6 down, including the "authoritativ-looking" guy [that used to be our keyphrase when askign if there's a "boss" :p], 2 remaining, what do you want to... - I LOOT THE BOSS - NO I LOOT THE BOSS -Guys there's still monsters around - I CAST PARALYSIS ON *Player-X* TO LOOT FIRST. GIEVE TEH MAGICS" Good thing we started playing european-like D&D. Everyone was forced to pay part of their gold onto one big pile of gold that we ended up using for things the group needed. Pretty much a forced health insurance so removing curses was payed like that :p | ||
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not sure about it, but considering that I'm having an exam mondays best course of action probably is trying to get into a regular sleep cycle again, right? So won't be around at deadline | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + See you tomorrow guys, not going to stay up intil 4am :p | ||
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Talis VE WBG thoughts? Prplhz if you had to make different groups in this game. Who/how many would you end up putting in the VET-group? | ||
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On August 03 2012 19:25 prplhz wrote: @Toadesstern Could you explain that post? First you write random letters in red and then you ask me "if you had to make different groups" which I don't understand at all. I don't put people in "vet" groups, there are people who have established meta behavioral patterns and who should be watched closely (or not watched closely) if they deviate, but there isn't any player in this game who has a reputation for single handedly ruining scum teams on a regular basis. Yeah when I posted that I read the thread the first time and colored names the way I thought about them when reading through. Actually if VE were to be someone else than VE his name would completly red and nt just semi red because VE does some STRANGE things from time to time. Anyways, copy & paste here I come: + Show Spoiler [VE] + (Pregame!): clicky! I'm joking around, he picks up the joke, Marv does so as well but VE isn't getting that Marv's just joking around when it was preeeetty obvious. Seems like he's nervous to me? Or was that some kind of anti-joke I'm not getting? Clicky! Looks kind of try-hard to me. Obviously Zeph is fooling around or at least (if he's mafia) trying to make it look like he's carelessly fooling around. I doubt this honestly was an attempt to get a random lynch. It would be fine if VE pointed that out but the 2nd paragraph is weird. Why does he have to rub that in everyone's faces? "LOOK GUYS I DON'T WANT TO RND-LYNCH BECAUSE THAT's BAD". No shit sherlock. Yet he feels the urge to tell everyone about that. Looks to me like someone desperatly trying to get townie-points. But this is VE, he does weird shit every time so idk... Clicky! Big shiny text about how masons should claim. I totally disagree with him. It was a desaster in L. We lost a complete cycle, got no advantage, everyone eneded up being paranoid because obviously one group (pro-claim or anti-claim) had to be mentally retarded or scum to be stupid enough to not agree with ones self conclusion according to everyone in the game. Clicky! The big thing, with multiple [big]'s and [b] in his most recent post was "MASON CLAIMS". Not "MASONS CLAIM MAYBE?" or something else, it was Mason claims. Now he proceeds to tell people he doesn't think it's a good idea for masons to claim and only wanted to talk about the idea? The fuck? Talis on the other hand is a guy who usually ends up posting what he thinks about the game d1 in an honest way, no matter of alignment. Remember PYP? Talis was the guy who told people to encrypt their shit. He's the kind of guy that thinks about the set-up ahead of time and then proceeds to post his thoughts about it no matter of alignment. I think he genuinely believes in what he posted, but what he posted is incredible stupid. So he either didn't think this trough or he thinks it's best to change his "conclusion" in some kind of way. What he posted makes little to no sense to me and that feels off because as mentioned I'm pretty sure he usually means what he posts d1 no matter of alignment. Still making notes about everything and I'm at talis's post right now, so that's why I had to improvise something right now :p | ||
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On August 03 2012 20:02 Zephirdd wrote: Masoned players should claim IMO. masons themselves shouldn't unless that would save his life. toad, why improvise? Are you feeling some kind of pressure that stops you from making a decent post? na, as mentioned I'm still making my notes and as mentioned I was re-reading everything and wasn't done with page 13 at that time. So that's why I had to type something instead of copy & pasting. If you want to have a proper post here you go: + Show Spoiler [Talis] + Tclicky! Completly disagree with him. A Mason is probably one of the strongest town roles in existence and he calls them worthless. Surely it's incredible dangerous because you could end up getting influenced if you hit mafia but a 2nd point of view is the best thing that can possibly happen to any townie to make sure he's staying objective and not just ranting about someone because he doesn't like the dude. That being said Talis usually posts the truth about what he's thinking d1 no matter of alignment, so he really thinks so either way. But there are some BIG issues in his post. It's just not thought trough.
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On August 03 2012 20:09 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, when thinking of it, there might be some situations that people claiming masoned might be usefull for scum. But Town will most likely gain more from claiming than scum. Masoned players SHOULD claim. what kind of information do you get as a townie if I were to tell you that I got masoned for example? What kind of reaction would that trigger? I can't think of one to be honest. | ||
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On August 03 2012 20:50 wherebugsgo wrote: before I forget, I got masoned by VE. I'm not a mason. I'm Roger Sterling. You guys should know that by now, but then again I don't remember why I hired some of you. ... have you already talked with him? | ||
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We need a voting thread | ||
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I'd rather have an answer quite quick than giving VE some time to write something up. | ||
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On August 03 2012 21:38 Lazermonkey wrote: @Toad: I don't agree with masoned players not claiming. You say that the most likely player to be masoned is someone who looks town, I agree with that. But your argument is that scum will have an easier time to make a good NK kill because of that. People will be posting town reads none the les so I don't see this as much of an issue. One town read will most probebly not be the main reason for a Nk and if there are alot of people suspecting that person to be town, he is very likely to be killed anyway.Also, if the masoned players claim right before night we can prevent a night kill on these players at least for that night. Basically, this is the only negative thing I can think of with people claiming masoned. But the advantages for this is way bigger. Just to remind you, this was the question: On August 03 2012 20:35 Toadesstern wrote: what kind of information do you get as a townie if I were to tell you that I got masoned for example? What kind of reaction would that trigger? I can't think of one to be honest. | ||
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On August 03 2012 22:13 Lazermonkey wrote: We will know the exact numbers of masons unless scum mason decides not to use his power at all in which case he can be treated as vanilla scum. Yes, this means scum will also know how many masons there are, however scum already have two advantages here. 1. They already know whether or not there is a scum mason. 2. If one scum ever gets masoned all scum will know who is that that person is scum mason whilest if town gets masoned and we decide that they shouldn't claim, only that person will know who is the mason. There is more to gain for town than for scum by claiming. If you treat it as information we want to use that IS a pretty big if, isn't it? Let's say we're in a situation with 3 town masons and 1 mafia mason for the sake of getting some numbers. Let's say the 3 town masons get claimed, the 1 mafia mason won't be claimed. What's the next step? "Woah, we've got EXACTLY 3 masons, one of them is bound to be mafia! Let's lynch into them!" ? If that's not the next step, what good is the information? You said yourself, we're going to know the exact number of masons, while saying that it's very much possible that the number will be wrong. That's kind of contradicting imo. On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote: I'm not part of the mason circles I guess /sad Toad, why insta-voting VE? I know you had some suspicion of him, but did you consider that VE sounded overly cautious because he is a mason? That's what I get at least. Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason? kind of. | ||
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On August 03 2012 23:32 JingleHell wrote: This seemed off because he seemed to have stopped for the night by the time I went to sleep. So, I looked. Sure enough, you start posting a case 7 hours and change after VE's last post, you vote somewhere in the 8ish hour range, and say you want fast answers 9 hours after his last post. Asking for an answer quick is one thing if he's posting, but this seems a bit pushy. Trying to force the issue with someone who hasn't posted in hours and use that to make them look scummy? I can't speak for his motives, because they sure as hell don't make much sense to me yet, but yours just seem scummy. I wanted WBG to answer the questions... | ||
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On August 03 2012 23:36 JingleHell wrote: Ah. My apologies. Maybe I should finish my caffeine, I missed that. Well I didn't say so in the post itself because I thought it's obvious that I want WBG to answer those things and to share some information on VE's motives. Apparently it was not :p | ||
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On August 03 2012 23:56 Lazermonkey wrote: That's not what I said. In the situation you describe we can't assume that any of the masons are scum. There are no guarantees for scum mason. However, In the situation you describe, we have effectivly turned a quite strong scum mason into a weak vanilla scum. We are in an advantage we wouldn't have been in if we wouldn't claim masoned. Well Talis said he'd like to do something like that earlier, so surely it's going to be a shitstorm of people arguing wether we should lynch into them or not. At the same time we're giving mafia better odds at killing people they want to kill instead of just killing people. I don't think that's to good. And again, we don't know what kind of scenario could be true. You basicly just said "well in that situation we don't lynch because we don't know if we have a mafiamason". So the mafias don't have to hide their masons according to you, because we're not lynching into them, because even it it were 3, 4 or 5 or 6 masons, we can't know for sure that one of them has to be a mafia mason, right? In that scenario we got nothing at all while giving mafia better odds. | ||
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On August 04 2012 00:03 talismania wrote: response to toad: + Show Spoiler + Yo what? Of course you should claim if someone masons you. Mason isn't mason this game, your whole post with references to other games makes it seem like you think it's as powerful as normal. Masons aren't masons. They're interviewers or something. Claiming you're masond' just says "yo I was mason'd and I have a message log with another player". It's essentially having access to extra posts from someone, which means more for the thread to chew on when the time is right to share those logs. That's information. That's good. Your objection to it is weird - because it might be giving scum away that you're a town read of someone? Ok ok first off that's just silly. You and I have both been scum together and that sort of thing doesn't really factor in to night kill decisions. I don't think we ever talked about who town thinks is townie. We were more interested in who we could get lynched. Also what lazermanguy said. Secondly I don't understand your logic in getting there. town masons, if you're out there and reading this: Don't pick someone you think is really town and want to bounce your ideas off of. That's just silly as hell. Pick someone you're unsure of, so you get the chance to pick their brains in private. Or pick someone you think is scum, for the same reason. Your post also makes reference to people getting mason'd being scared of being influenced. WHAT. Who the hell in this game is actually scared of being influenced by someone that masons you? I know you aren't because I know you aren't. Show me someone who is. All my references were references to L. L used the same kind of masons we have in this game. Read the game. Read what BC posted in that game. When you're done come back and try again. | ||
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On August 04 2012 00:08 talismania wrote: yo toad what you make of erandorr, glasse, VE, wbg? highly depends on wether or not some people are trolling on purpose to look like stupid idiots to fish for reactions. | ||
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On August 04 2012 00:20 wherebugsgo wrote: Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments. For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits: One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments. Two, they're both awful as town. Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence. Question: Did prplhz do that on purpose? | ||
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On August 04 2012 00:37 talismania wrote: that's fine, give me the different scenarios in your mind Well if prplhz believes in what he posted either he or WBG has to be mafia, maybe even both. I don't think prplhz is that stupid therefore I'm leaning town on both of WBG and Prplhz so far and think Prplhz posted something like "that" to get some reactions. To see wether or not people are jumping on the train and yell "yeah let's lynch that mofu, totally agree!". I think eran is town right now. I think VE is mafia right now. I think I don't have a clue about glasses alignment right now and I doubt anyone else has one 12 hours into the game when half the people haven't posted, when the "case" on him was made when he had something like 3 posts. He is a true-random for me right now. | ||
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On August 04 2012 00:57 Lazermonkey wrote: @Toad: Well we shouldn't lynch a couple of masons just because they are masons, the same way we shouldn't give them some sort of immunity just because they are masons. If they are scummy - > lynch. if not then we don't. Obviously... But that isn't really what we argued about in the first place. I said we should claim beeing masoned, not mason. Sure it has a lot to do with what we're talking about. I asked you about the benefits because I can't see any, at all. You said there are some and it's good information but when talking about the two most likely assumptions (I could think of) you're telling us that we should just ignore the information on do whatever we think is best based on our reads excluding the mason-information. If that's the case I just don't see the benefits of claiming at all, if we're supposed to ignore the information completly. It is completly irrelevant if we're talking about the guys being masoned or the guys masoning because revealing neither of those 2 will give us something at all imo. But I'll ignore that matter from now on. I see we disagree, I see there's some guys who agree with we and that's about it. No need to make the same mistake we had in L. | ||
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On August 04 2012 01:08 VisceraEyes wrote: -.- Yes, I am a mason, and no, I didn't give Bugs the okay to out me. Toad you're insane bro. If you'll read my post again, I was AGAINST masons claiming, prplhz asked me what the point of them claiming was and I explained it to him. I'm screaming at bugs in a PM, I'll be back in a bit. come on, you know you ignore people unless they vote you :p I need to know what's going on in VE-land, in WBG-land, in Prplhz-land right now. I'm kind of okay with your answer, although I still consider you weird. But that's normal for you I guess. Next one: WBG, Prplhz explain the shit you're doing pretty please :3 I hardly believe that all 3 of you being mafia is an option so someone is doing bullshit on purpose ##Unvote | ||
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On August 04 2012 01:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Eran: he thinks you're either dumb or scum. A loss of a player like that to NK is preferable to a NK on like...him. By his estimation. Bugs is probably town bro...I think he'd try and manipulate us in PMs rather than instantly out us if he were scum. See, that's what I'm referring to when saying you're weird from time to time | ||
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On August 04 2012 03:58 slOosh wrote: Could you please splice in my pregame post with all the filters? I didn't post last night because it was late and I wanted sufficient time to read the thread before inputting my thoughts. Many people aren't actually thinking this through when trying to untie all this stuff. If WBG was scum then revealing that information to town is benefit to us, because scum would already know that, so calling him scum on that basis makes no sense. Both VE and Erandorr are acting in a way I feel like a town mason who has been outed would. So this whole thing gives us decent reads on them. As for WBG, he is null. I want us to start talking about Zephirdd, Toadesstern and talismania. Zephirdd because he is posting but not actually contributing - for instance his lurker-list post follows the whole mason outting thing and his only thoughts are So, most of the town has posted, and he feels really on the fence about it all, so the best thing to do is give up and move onto new targets? His whole filter is posting disguised as contributions. Zephirdd is today's Lynch candidate #1. Toad and talis are weird due to their interactions with each other. One is, why the heck are you putting stuff in spoilers? The contents of it are clearly written in a way addressing others, yet they are playing this weird lovey dovey send secret messages to each other junks. Toad points out huge problems in talis' mason thought post but doesn't move to call him scum / convince others. Talis responds by doing the same thing. Talis then moves on to ask inane questions. Toad seems to care about what's actually going on in thread so he isn't as bad. Talis is Lynch candidate #2. Given what I posted so far my first should be explaining things, shouldn't it? On August 03 2012 18:53 Toadesstern wrote: Sup everyone Talis VE WBG thoughts? Prplhz if you had to make different groups in this game. Who/how many would you end up putting in the VET-group I realy have to spell out everything don't I? | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:11 Toadesstern wrote: Although the updated list would probably be: Talis Prplhz Zephirdd VE WBG EWBOP Forgot bugs Thing is: Last time I checked my nickname it wasn't foolishness so again, I think someone is playing weird on purpose Not to mention that prplhz+WBG+VE would be OP as fuck. | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:25 slOosh wrote: So what specifically about Prplhz sticks out to you? Okay so I'm doing this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=14#264 and prplhz answers with this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=14#265 I considered his post reasonable. My post had nothing in it other than some colored names. The normal reaction should be "why?" and he did that. Next thing he does is this himself after "calling me out" on my first post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=15#295 As mentioned. I obviously thought this is a joke or some reaction fishing to test how glasse reacts or wether or not some idiots join in and yell "yeah, let's lynch that mofu! Totally agree". Why I thought it has to be a joke? Look at glasse's filter. The guy had 3 posts back then. Two posts that read nothing to me and one I actually liked. His "case" involves all 3 posts glass did: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=15#299 1st post: I have never played with glasse and it's his first post. It's useless. No shit sherloc. Let's check the first post of some guys and you'll realize that most stuff is useless or even trollish. 2nd post: I kind of agree with what prplhz posted here, however as mentioned I never played with glasse. If this guy is a vet I never heard about, that's a bad post. If this guy is some new guy, like I care lol 3rd post: I actually liked that post and considered it a possibility myself. WBG could have made both things up, knowing that at least VE was not around to get some reactions. I don't see that as undermining WBG at all. It's saying "hey guys, let's not get to much into this and wait until we get a confirmation from VE and Eran on this". That's reasonable. So again, I considered this to be a joke and thought prplhz is fishing for reactions because there's no way he actually thinks that way imo. But he admitted he actually meant what he posted so that's really weird. | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:56 BioSC wrote: Can we pretty please have a filter list in the OP? PWEEESE? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=9#162 Page 9 :p | ||
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So I'd actually assume BC is picking guys and trying to fit them to people to troll / be funny but that's not helping at all. | ||
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On August 04 2012 07:02 Zephirdd wrote: I made a mini-case on talismania if you are interested. When wbg instaclaims he is masoned with VE, and then later with Erandorr, my initial thought is that he is outing masons because it's likely that masons are scum. Simple as that. My notes on prplhz are "baiting". I don't find him disruptive and he is making sense. Will re-read tho. The thing about prplhz is that I thought he's baiting as well but he said he's honest with what he said | ||
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On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote: zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? don't ask the same things over and over again especially when those questions are already answered. This is making me want to lynch you first even more. Although WBG is pretty tempting as well. | ||
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On August 04 2012 07:28 talismania wrote: filter check... ok so you put him in your rainbow list but I don't see any other mention. So... ? don't know, I only know I mentioned him at least once. I'm done answering things for today, see you guys tomorrow and hopefully some people start doing "stuff". I'm especially looking at WBG and VE. I don't want you to defend yourself because I called you weird/mafia once VE. If I really wanted you dead RIGHT NAO I'd keep explaining stuff instead of just keeping you on my list. That's nothing considering you're VE, I'm Toad and I'm talking to you, remember last game? So do something. WBG had literally done nothing so far and I can't tell if he genuinely is pissed so far or if he's trying to fake being pissed. Either way that's not helping right now. And the shitton of people who are about to be modkilled need to get in here. I highly doubt that all of the mafias are within this group of people actually playing the game. | ||
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On August 04 2012 18:51 strongandbig wrote: man bugs you can do better than this. what, did you forget that VE and I were in wheel of fortune too? Ace's Scum 101: get town to lynch people for being bad rather than for being scum. I mean, I may be bad but I'm not stupid. Playing like Ace only works when you're Ace and always play like Ace. Town wbg would realize that this logic is terrible. Town wbg wouldn't give multiple different explanations for outing masons on day 1 without discussing it with them and without participating with the town discussion of whether masons should claim. (for reference, those explanations were "because VE and I are good and this way medics might medic us", and "to pressure the masons") Town wbg wouldn't try to lead a lynch on a bad player just for being bad, without making a case, etc. This isn't town wbg. ##vote: wherebugsgo Exactly this. Still re-reading but I like this post and I think lynching WBG should be the way to go today. Out of my 5-man list I consider VE to be the guy who is the least likely to flip mafia. I'm a little scared Talis might actually think the way he posts so I'd rather go for either WBG or Prplhz. After WoF I'd say WBG is the way to go because I saw Prplhz fail pretty hard in there, so I want to give him some time for now. Zephird is just like VE one of the weaker reads. I can't stop but getting the fealing that WBG is faking all this being pissed and his reasoning for outing masons is still non-existent. It's the same thing like claiming mafia in irc-mafia because there's not much ups and downs for that besides being a bold move. I could have maybe come up with a reasoning for why he outed VE given that it's VE. Something like "Well the dude is VE, he's going to claim within the next 12hours ANYWAYS so might as well get over it now". With Erandorr being outed as well that's not longer a possibility and except for the whole thing being a bold move I don't see a reason to do it at all. This is mafia Bugs doing bold moves on purposes for the sake of doing something bold, because people think mafia don't do stuff like that. There's no other purpose of this whole shenanigan he did. | ||
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On August 04 2012 19:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Number 1: I did not give multiple explanations for outting the masons. I gave one. I don't see how you asserting that I gave multiple explanations is an indication that I did. Secondly, I don't give a fuck about mason discussion in this game because it's a waste of time. Masons can claim and it has absolutely no bearing on their alignment. This isn't like the setups I run where claiming actually matters significantly because they're almost certainly confirmed town. Third, how is being a mason not being alignment indicative (a fucking fact of the setup) "terrible logic"? Fourth, there is absolutely something wrong with you if you think I am a better lynch than grush. Grush is playing to his LVI meta. If you don't care to read LVI, then you can continue being bad. Also, I'm not voting grush for being bad. He's going to be bad regardless of his alignment, but I've already pointed out how as town he doesn't actually troll this hard, unless he's somehow become even worse than he already was. Yes, your point on grush: On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV. I would strongly suggest to anyone who gets masoned to out the person who masoned them from now on. If both Eran and VE are town then the likelihood of a third mason being town is incredibly low. Thus if there is a scum mason they'd be unlikely to use it (win for us). I'm pretty sure both VE and Eran are town (for now). In particular Eran is almost certainly town because he really wants me to prove I'm town (encouraging me to get on skype, for example) something I don't think he'd do as scum. Anyone voting for him right now (Jingle) needs to also read his posts. Some of the logic might be bad but that doesn't make Eran scum. ##vote grush57 That's not a point. I'm not lynching someone because you say his first post is so weird that it alone (wtf) is enough to be sure he has to be mafia. Come on. | ||
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On August 04 2012 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote: at the time it was his only post in the game, and it fit his mafia meta. All his posts since then have simply affirmed that. I usually don't say "his only post he did so far makes it clear he is X" nevertheless. However I'm checking for grushs town games give me a sec. | ||
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On July 03 2012 11:06 grush57 wrote: ##Vote: HomerunBat GEEET HIM On July 04 2012 03:20 grush57 wrote: gg iGrok talismania scum team. NICE SLIGHT PRESSURE U TWO! ##Unvote: HomerunBat ##Vote: IGrok What's the difference between those posts from SSB-64 and the one post you quoted that made you instantly think the guy has to be mafia? | ||
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On August 04 2012 20:24 wherebugsgo wrote: I didn't play in SSB64. However if we're going to cherry pick quotes then look at these from LV (town) and LVI (scum) The first one looks like it is something way more into the day than what we're talking about: D1 openers or D1 talk in general. Correct me if I'm wrong. What I quoted was his 3rd post from SSB-64, if you want to see more go ahead: + Show Spoiler [grush-SSB64] + On July 02 2012 10:56 grush57 wrote: My first pick was Samus, didn't get him. On July 03 2012 03:36 grush57 wrote: Alright. On July 03 2012 11:06 grush57 wrote: ##Vote: HomerunBat GEEET HIM On July 04 2012 01:32 grush57 wrote: Yall wanna tussle? On July 04 2012 01:41 grush57 wrote: I already found scum day1, just waiting for the deadline bro. On July 04 2012 01:58 grush57 wrote: GOOD WAY TO DIVERT THE ATTENTION SCUM ............... On July 04 2012 03:20 grush57 wrote: gg iGrok talismania scum team. NICE SLIGHT PRESSURE U TWO! ##Unvote: HomerunBat ##Vote: IGrok Here you go, that's no longer cherrypicking. That's quoting 1:1 what he posted (filter: clicky me!). Except for his first post everything he posted is like the one post you quoted. But than again, SSB-64 had this PYP mechanic so you obviously have to inform people about your picks if you didn't get your first pick, so I'm pretty sure he would have done the first post no matter of alignment. Again. I don't see a difference between those two "metas" that would instantly trigger an wtf-dude-got-to-be-mafia after his very first post. On another note: What did you think about the case prplhz did on glasse? | ||
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On August 04 2012 20:44 wherebugsgo wrote: in PMs. also, think about this: Erandor's entire case against me hinges on me publicly outting mafia masons (as a scum tactic.) If I were scum and I knew VE and Erandorr were town masons why wouldn't I just privately tell my team instead of posting to the thread? because outing masons, no matter of alignment will make you a topic in the discussion. You're not the guy who's scared of being in the light as mafia at all. You want to be in the light and manipulate people. Outing both will probably be considered a bold move by most people who don't know you that well. Looking at the playerfield and the fact that mafia has 2KP while there are only VERY few people in this game who I'd consider to be vets I'd say it looks like a pretty good strategy for mafia and on top of that something mafia-Bugs would like to do. Especially if there was talk about wether or not we should claim being masoned. At the same time I don't think Town-WBG would do that. Your move did not bring VE in the spotlight, neither did it bring Eran in the spotlight. Yeah Eran is a topic right now but that's because you and him are having a pissing contest. The only one being in the spotlight because of your claim are you. I know how much you hate it when I do stuff like that as town and you tell me to shut up every time I do something like that. Now you're doing the same thing. I don't think Town-WBG would like something like that AT ALL. | ||
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We're not getting anything about erans or VEs reactions and I'm pretty sure the majority of their reactions are within PM-land where you can read them, but noone else. This information is worth a damn if you're the only one being able to read it and keep telling us "well Eran and VE are town because of their reactions, trust me!". This is the very thing you hated about me when I was a mason in my last game. I played like the game revolves around me and considering how much contra you're giving me on things like that I really think you'd be aware of a situation like that yourself. | ||
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On August 04 2012 21:14 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On August 04 2012 20:50 strongandbig wrote: oh yeah and the answer to your bolded question at the end of your last post is: 1. because VE is good enough to breadcrumb who he masons, and you publicly announcing it gives you cover to kill him without revealing that you're scum. (ie, if you just killed him we would look through his filter, find his breadcrumb, and kill you.) 2. For the same reason you want us to be talking about grush and killing him for his first post not being good: to leave town in a state of disorganized confusion. 1. I could out him as my buddy after I killed him if I was scum. In fact that's what any townie would do in the case that the guy who masoned him died. It's completely indistinguishable regardless of alignment. Your argument falls apart when you realize that Occam's Razor favors my side over yours. Your argument is convoluted as shit. It involves breadcrumbs when it doesn't need to. If you have to resort to that kind of argument then clearly you're stretching. 2. Killing grush doesn't disorganize town, it gets rid of some guy who's going to do nothing but troll anyway. Since his mafia meta is to troll, clearly you kill two birds with one stone. On August 04 2012 20:48 strongandbig wrote: Yeah you did. First you said it was so mafia would have to wifom over whether to shoot you and VE, then you said it was to pressure VE. These aren't two different explanations. It's ONE explanation with THREE parts (one which you missed, btw.) It would be suspicious if I went back and said "no that's not what I meant, I meant THIS" because then I would be flip flopping. Having multiple reasons for something being good is simply an indication of it being...well, good. You can argue semantics but from a scumhunting perspective it only matters if your target changed his explanation. If the explanation hasn't changed then there's nothing wrong. So, for clarity's sake (in other words, for you jubjubs 1. Outting the masons pressures them. My number one goal was to distinguish town and scum masons. Pressuring them is the fastest way to do that. 2. If the mason is indeed town then it gives medics a good target to protect (particularly VE if he is town; he can play well as town, although as of late I think he's been sucking) which means mafia are wary of shooting them. They can take a chance of doublestack, both bad for them. 3. Lastly if the mason is town then it discourages mafia masons from using their power in fear of being publicly outted and scrutinized among a small pool of players. Sucks to be in the spotlight as scum. On August 04 2012 20:48 strongandbig wrote: That's not the part that's wrong. The part that's wrong is "therefore outting a mason is rather worthless." This is probably just you not understanding what I was saying because of my carelessness with the sentence. Possessing the role of mason in this game says nothing about your alignment. Therefore, if I out someone as a mason it doesn't tell anyone anything about whether they are town or mafia (therefore the act itself is worthless in terms of determining their alignment.) What is important, though, is their reaction to the pressure. On August 04 2012 20:50 strongandbig wrote: Erandorr's case has jack shit to do with why I think you're scum. jack shit. That's okay, since your thought process is just as bad and wrong as his. Yeah well fuck you very much too. Seriously after how pissed you got at RoL for trolling bureaucracy mafia, and now you're trying to get us to think you're a self-voting pissed townie? I don't buy it. (also playing against wincon etcetera.) Given how much you want to lynch me, then you should welcome the help. No matter what I do, you're going to call me scum. That's a given, because you're using the worst logic I've ever seen to call me scum, and Erandorr in particular won't stop tunneling me. Thus, given my reputation as a scum player (in particular) I will always be a lynch candidate. Is it playing against my wincondition? No, actually. If I'm always going to be a lynch candidate and if my lynch is going to take up all the discussion space then it's actually BENEFICIAL to town to kill me right here, right now. Why? Because then you can stop wasting time and For the record both grush and prplhz are 95% scum to me. I'm just reading really quick because I'm about to go and get me something to eat but if that's the case why are you pushing grush instead of prplhz? I asked about the vets for a reason. I know not every host balances into new guys / medium guys / vet guys but some do. Given what you said so far you should really want to lynch into the vet group. You think Eran is town You think VE is town You know you are town, if you really are That's already 3 vets who got a townie-sticker in your notes. So even if you had no clue about who is mafia process of elimination is already giving you huge advantages here and I was quite surprised to see you're not pushing for prplhz or me the moment you said Eran and VE are town according to your reads. Instead you're going for the guy who has to be mafia because of his very first post. Keeping in mind that grush is not belonging to the VET-group and either belongs to the newbie or the medium group and both groups being way more massive, I have a hard time understanding why you're pushing grush based on that one post instead of prplhz. Even if you don't care about balance, after all there are hosts who don't balance like that, I don't get why you're pushing grush instead of prplhz. Grush is some random dude who's not that good at playing mafia. At least I wouldn't hold him accountable on his performance. Prplhz on the other hand is. Sure he's not foolishness but he's way more "stable" than some random dude and what he does may or may not be good but he does it for a reason, while trying to understand someone of Grush's caliber is always a little like spinning a wheel to see what's going to happen. I don't get why you would want to push Grush in the situation at all, unless of course the reasoning is "we lynch bad players for being bad". That's horrible enough if you do that, but if you're doing that with guys who aren't even considered to be good at all that's even worse. | ||
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On August 04 2012 08:51 BroodKingEXE wrote: wtf? hey there. What about your opinion? You're reading the thread. When we had a modkill you insta-delurked within 3 minutes and posted this. It's still the only post you did since this game started. Thoughts? | ||
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WBG or Prplhz Talis Zephirdd Ghost403 + some 5th guy, maybe the smurf idk the logs between WBG and Eran would indeed give a good idea about wether it's WBG or Prplhz. | ||
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On August 05 2012 00:18 strongandbig wrote: why the either/or? vet balance concerns or what? Nah could actually be both being mafia as well. It's more like "one of them has to be mafia" I actually considered Prplhz to be the better lynch candidate yesterday but as people seem to think WBG is scummy like I do and at the same time don't seem to agree on prplhz (except for WBG) I'm a bit more okay with lynching WBG first. I guess I'm paranoid right now because there's so much stuff that makes no sense If WBG really flips town we at least know his assertion on prplhz being 95% sure mafia was honest, while people like me think the same way. If WBG flips mafia I'll have to check wether WBG was just trying to gett off the hook or doing something else. | ||
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On August 05 2012 01:03 Hassybaby wrote: The way I see it about bugs right now, two things come to mind: 1. Bugs is getting annoyed for a genuine reason in the mason. 2. Bugs is getting annoyed for the sake of getting annoyed. I'm leaning towards the latter right now, but I'd like to see the logs to see if there's a real reason for him being annoyed, but it still doesn't explain his mason play. That's pretty much it. Bugs IS insulting and he IS pissed as town when someone gets on his nerves. As mafia he's not but he's trying to look as though he is, so he has to fake it. If bugs is mad for no reason he is faking it and therefore mafia. If there is a genuine reason to be frustrated / mad he could be both town or mafia. From what I saw in the thread his frustration looks awfully faked because there's no reason to freak out like that. Which means he either fakes it or something is happening in PM-land. I'd rather know about that kind of thing BEFORE we lynch so eran or WBG pretty please post the logs? | ||
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On August 05 2012 02:32 talismania wrote: Yo toad still waiting for why you think zephirdd is scum. he's moved up from rainbow to full color now I see. And you've yet to make a post on him. Also how did ghost403 get on your list? yo talis still waiting for you to post something that has something to do with what we're talking about. I still haven't posted something about Zeph because he started out as one of the minor reads and if the latest issue of my list turns out to be wrong he's the I could be wrong about, or Ghost for that matter. Zephirdd is not going to get lynched and I don't think it would be wise to lynch him right now although I think he's probably mafia. I'm just way more sure on WBG and Prplhz. Posting a case on Zeph would just distract everything right now so stop asking everyone (me) about everyone else and my opinion on them and instead do something yourself. I get that you like asking questions and that's usually a towntreat but doing nothing but asking questions at all really isn't. I still want to see the log between Eran and WBG. If at least one of you two guys is town (I highly think so) there is no reason not to post it and it would maybe help us figure things out no matter of WBGs alignment. And I'd rather have it posted before one of you is dead so that we can confirm it's the real thing. | ||
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It's 20:00 my time, that's CEST and there's a shitton of people who haven't voted yet. Get in here and vote. The guys from Europe won't be around at the deadline. Probably not even close to the deadline. So if you're waiting for something because it's still "so much time" until deadline: Stop it and get in here asap. The deadlines are horrible for europeans. Oh and @Talis: Keep cool about Zeph. I can actually prove I had him on my radar way before I even mentioned him the first time. WBG's not the only one who got masoned. | ||
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On August 05 2012 03:27 slOosh wrote: It's 7 on WBG (self votes don't count), and I'm thinking it's plurality voting since that's the only place you would resolve ties. SO just gotta make sure he has the highest vote count. yeah I forgot about the plurality. It looks like plurality or simple majority but who knows, that kind of stuff is wrong quite often in OP's because people forget to change it. | ||
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On August 04 2012 00:20 wherebugsgo wrote: Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments. For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits: One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments. Two, they're both awful as town. Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence. from log [04.08.12 13:19:16] WBG: between VE and myself everyone else on the roster is terrible at town [04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: therefore any other shot [04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: is bad Got it. Everyone is awful as town. | ||
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I agree with slOosh that it looks to be genuine but I still don't understand why. It's like "BAM I'm here and fuck you" out of nowhere. So I don't really get why they had this mud fight. I don't see a reason to be that insulting in the thread and I don't see a reason to be like that in the log either. There's a couple of things in there I'm having problems with, like the one I just quoted in my most recent post. | ||
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I'm having some issues with wbg like conflicting reads which made me question the lynch and which is the reason I wanted to see the logs as well. The log is highly weird but it's something and it seems to be genuinely pissed, although I don't know why. I'd be up to lynching either prplhz / WBG / Talis, in that order although I don't think it makes that much of a difference at this point. The order really only gets to be important once we're talking about my 4th and 5th reads because I consider them to be way weaker than what I got on prplhz / WBG / Talis. | ||
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On August 05 2012 04:46 talismania wrote: Toad what do you think about glasse's and dropula's votes? Completely cool with you? kind of, although I'd slightly prefere prplhz's name in there. | ||
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We lynch Mr 95% mafia: Prplhz I said he's mafia. Erandorr seems to agree, WBG posted most recently that he thinks prplhz is mafia as well, sloOsh thinks prplhz is mafia and prplhz thinks WBG is town, which is REALLY odd unless he wants to tell people later "told ya", which is one of the reasons I am questioning the wbg lynch. If Prplhz flips mafia we're all happy. If Prplhz flips town we lynch/shoot WBG + talis | ||
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On August 05 2012 05:01 slOosh wrote: I don't understand your aversion to the talis lynch. We already got some votes on him, and he has been at the top of your scum list from the start of the game. Any reason why you want to do it in this specific order? Prplhz gives information on prplhz and wbg. Talis gives information on Talis. That's pretty much it. | ||
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On August 05 2012 05:05 slOosh wrote: Oh. Then I'm gonna ask you to come over to the talis lynch, solely for the sake of consolidation. WBG is town as town can be. I'd totally back a d2 prplhz lynch too (or n1 shot but I aint no vig ) It's something like this: I said Talis is mafia I said WBG is mafia and I said Prplhz is mafia People agreed with what I said about wbg. Pretty much no one agreed with what I said about Prplhz Literally noone agreed with what I said about Talis. The two people who masoned me would prefere a Prplhz lynch as far as I can tell as well. I'm going to be afk for an hour or something like this. If people think Talis is the better move I'll vote talis, if people think prplhz is the better move I'll vote prplhz. I think prplhz is marginally better and it's only 22:00 my time. Waiting until 23:00 shouldn't be a problem to see what people think. | ||
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On August 05 2012 05:14 talismania wrote: actually that's a legit point toad who do think is scummiest: VE, Eran, Mason A, Mason B (A and B masoned you)? Do you think all of them are town? if one of them had to be mafia? A or B. I consider it highly likely that mafia would mason someone who says "I'm against outing masons" like I did instead of masoning someone else. So if there's only 4 masons in the game I'd say it's quite likely that one of those 2 who masoned me is mafia. However I don't know how many masons there are. I know of 4 and I wasn't the only one who said he's not going to out masons. I'm going to post logs prior to the n1 deadline though. If someone else. who happened to be very vocal about not outing masons got masoned as well and we have a "Mason C" somewhere or even a "Mason D" not using his mason power that might change the whole assumption. If we only have 4 masons one of the 2 guys on me has to be mafia imo but there's no reason to believe there are only 4 masons in this game right now. Or at least nothing that indicates that it's that way and I don't plan on lynching 2 mason for the lulz just to figure out there was a 5th mason. | ||
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On August 05 2012 05:36 slOosh wrote: Just discern what they are trying to accomplish with their PMs whether they are trying to sway the lynch one direction over the other etc. Because I really want to lynch talis but more important than that is that we consolidate our votes and hit either prplhz or talis. Or WBG if you really, really, really still think he is scum. I still think WBG is a good lynch and it's very much possible that this frustration was a charade when we're talking about WBG. I don't think he's the best lynch though, because I have reads that are conflicting with my Mafia-Bugs-read and because I have to assume this frustration was a charade to be able to talk about him as a possible mafia. Ockham's razor clearly tells me to lynch either into Prplhz or Talis at this point and assume WBG is genuinely pissed right now but I'm not going to say he's looking town because if we're talking about WBG he IS able to fake something like that and it was "just" an hour. You should have seen what he went through in the famous VE vs Toad game when he was town, but he didn't have finals back than. | ||
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Or was it just about Talis saying "yeah figured you got masoned" ? If he mentioned a name somewhere it's probably wrong because I can't remember something lol | ||
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On August 05 2012 06:37 slOosh wrote: No names, but the fact that he is drawing attention to that you got masoned, when I have no recollection of you saying that (if you did then I missed it). It's like seeing someone act like detective and pointing it out to everyone in thread. Well I don't actually mind that because I wanted that to happen anyways, although it's kinda troublesome from his pov, as you say. I said I've been masoned for a reason. I was honest when I said I'm against outing masons, why I am against it and I did not fake that. But when I thought about it I realized that it's probably a nice trap as well so I've been really vocal about how I don't plan on outing masons, hoping that a shitton of people mason me, especially people who don't want to be outed. The "plan" always has been to see what people are like in PM-land and than decide myself who should be outed and who should not be outed. I recently decided to just post everything during n1, so it slightly changed and I didn't slip or post that because of him but because I wanted to. Everything's fine :p | ||
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On August 05 2012 06:55 Hier wrote: I do not understand this prplhz accusation. There are literally two things he has done: 1) Accuse Glasse of having passive posts. 2) Change his vote to slOosh for not being active. Then he gets drunk and goes MIA. Instead I'm starting to look at Toad for borderline forcing people to vote for prplhz, as opposed to encouraging votes for whoever people consider scummy. WBG I'm almost convinced is town, in light of the conversation log between him and Erandorr. jackpot. Got another mafia for today in case Zeph is town. | ||
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On August 05 2012 07:24 JingleHell wrote: I honestly don't see how you can make a case against prplhz for his vote on Glasse, without looking at Erandorr just as badly for WBG. You can't make a case against prplhz for volume of posts, when we've got worse lurkers who are pretending to be active. You can't make a case against prplhz for content of posts without at least considering content of people like Erandorr. I can't get a good read on WBG either way, but neither of them seems like a better case than Erandorr. well WBG kinda did the "fuck you guys I'm out" I usually policy lynch people like that and I'm really trying hard to not ignore everything I posted the last couple of pages and just policy lynch WBG. Not to mention that I'm still giving him an about coinflip (50%) chance or even more to flip mafia. Eran is trying to get people onto WBG instead of anyone else (or at least tried to until recently) while Prplhz doesn't care about the lynch. What Eran does might look pretty bossy or even mean as in pushing people around but that's a sign that he cares about the lynch and wants to make sure we lynch the right guy although people tend to disagree about what the best lynch is. That looks bad but it's really not. It's a classical town sign. Prplhz on the other hand did the cheapest vote I've EVER seen, with the cheapest explanation I've ever seen. Bugs's "Grush has to be mafia because of this (his only) post he did" is ranked 2nd btw. | ||
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also vote prplhz Make sure to vote, especially people who said they would vote and haven't so far. Yes I'm looking at you VE, you made it into my townlist during the last 36 hours. Don't make me spell your name reddish again. | ||
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On August 05 2012 07:37 rastaban wrote: visceraeyes Glasse (6) Wherebugsgo Erandorr (1) SlOosh prplhz (1) Erandorr JingleHell (2) talismania (1) CountDropula Zephirdd grush57 (5) prplhz slOosh Toadesstern talismania grush57 BioSC Wherebugsgo needs to vote as voting yourself does not count VE Broodking zorkmid xsebt hier majugarzett need to vote in this thread! Deadline in ~2.5 hours | ||
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It is not a modpost for that matter. Sorry didn't think about that | ||
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On August 05 2012 07:58 talismania wrote: this is a post that is just for fun and should not be read if you don't want to be distracted + Show Spoiler + ok bc refused to give me the names of characters in the game. But there aren't that many characters in mad men so I thought why not just make my own little setup for fun. We'll see how much of this ends up being right, if at all: 1 Primary characters 1.1 Don Draper - Vigilante (for firing people) or Townie Miller (because he isn't who he says he is) 1.2 Peggy Olson - Medic 1.3 Pete Campbell - Mafia 1.4 Betty Francis (Betty Draper) - Townie Mason? 1.5 Joan Harris (Joan Holloway) - Medic 1.6 Roger Sterling - Veteran 2 Supporting characters 2.1 Trudy Campbell - Townie 2.2 Bert Cooper - Townie Mason 2.3 Ken Cosgrove - Townie Mason 2.4 Harry Crane - Townie 2.5 Bobby Draper - Townie 2.6 Gene Draper - Townie 2.7 Megan Draper - Townie Mason 2.8 Sally Draper - Townie 2.9 Henry Francis - Townie 2.10 Michael Ginsberg - Townie 2.11 Paul Kinsey - Townie Miller 2.12 Duck Phillips - Mafia 2.13 Lane Pryce - Detective 2.14 Stan Rizzo - Townie 2.15 Sal Romano - Townie 2.16 Freddy Rumsen - Townie 3 Other characters 3.1 Allison - Townie 3.2 Joey Baird - Townie 3.3 Jimmy and Bobbie Barrett - Mafia 3.4 Glen Bishop - Townie Miller 3.5 Helen Bishop - Mafia 3.6 Ida Blankenship - Townie 3.7 Andrew and Dorothy Campbell 3.8 Bud and Judy Campbell 3.9 Tammy Campbell 3.10 Émile and Marie Calvet 3.11 Carla 3.12 Dawn Chambers 3.13 Ted Chaough - Mafia 3.14 Toni Charles 3.15 Cynthia Cosgrove 3.16 Jennifer Crane 3.17 Midge Daniels 3.18 Anna Draper 3.19 Abe Drexler 3.20 Suzanne Farrell 3.21 Lee Garner, Sr. 3.22 Lee Garner, Jr. - Mafia 3.23 Father Gill 3.24 Francine Hanson 3.25 Greg Harris - Mafia 3.26 Conrad Hilton - Vigilante? 3.27 Gene Hofstadt 3.28 William and Judy Hofstadt 3.29 Hollis 3.30 Gail Holloway 3.31 John Hooker 3.32 Edna Keener 3.33 Gloria Massey 3.34 Rachel Menken 3.35 Faye Miller 3.36 Katherine Olson and Anita Olson Respola 3.37 Phoebe 3.38 St. John Powell - Mafia 3.39 Rebecca Pryce 3.40 Robert Pryce 3.41 Joyce Ramsay 3.42 Lois Sadler 3.43 Danny Siegel 3.44 "Smitty" Smith and Kurt Smith 3.45 Jane Sterling 3.46 Margaret Sterling 3.47 Mona Sterling 3.48 Brooks Stanford Hargrove 3.49 Bethany Van Nuys 3.50 Tom and Jeannie Vogel 3.51 Arnold Wayne 3.52 Adam Whitman 3.53 Archie Whitman I'm a mafia according to this. I am town according to my pm. I have never watched Mad Men but I my test proves your list to be wrong :3 | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Repost for all the zombies out there: also vote prplhz Make sure to vote, especially people who said they would vote and haven't so far. :3 | ||
Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Anyways I'm a Mason myself and therefore the 2nd guy who masoned is Erandorr and I masoned him. Logs are in german, have to translate them. The first guy however is a bit more interesting because it's Hassy who masoned me and I'm having some issues with him. As prplhz didn't flip red I don't know what to make of Hassy though. I still got my green read on Eran, I still got a green read on VE and I am green as well, which makes Hassy look bad. Also Hassy masoned the guy who said he won't out people who masoned him, which looks kinda shady. Also in the logs Hassy was agreeing with me A LOT. I figured that's normal because we're friendly with each other in general but there's stuff I wouldn't have expected him to say in a game like "you're really one of the hardest guys to read on TL in general" That being said, I don't feel comfy lynching Hassy based on that, especially if I don't know if there's more Masons. + Show Spoiler [Log with Hassy] + IRC [20:15:13] <Toad|> okay [20:15:15] <Toad|> sooo [20:15:31] <Hassybaby> hey [20:15:31] <Toad|> sup [20:15:38] <Toad|> stupid skype 8( [20:15:45] <Toad|> I apparently have an old account [20:15:45] <Hassybaby> wait [20:15:51] <Hassybaby> I was suppsoed to add you on skype? [20:16:00] <Toad|> what did you think? [20:16:04] <Hassybaby> LOL [20:16:10] <Hassybaby> I was adding you on Steam ._. [20:16:13] <Toad|> LOL [20:16:37] <Toad|> why would I want to use steam to chat 8( [20:16:44] <Hassybaby> I don't know [20:16:51] <Hassybaby> wait why are there two of you [20:16:58] <Toad|> yeah [20:17:02] <Toad|> Toadesstern is the right one [20:17:05] <Toad|> Toad is an old one [20:17:10] <Hassybaby> ah ok [20:17:17] <Hassybaby> that explains why you couldn't find m [20:17:22] <Hassybaby> i'm XXX-censored-XXX on skype [20:17:30] <Toad|> got it Skype [03.08.2012 20:17:33] Hassy: OHAI [03.08.2012 20:17:45] Erik: finally [03.08.2012 20:18:01] Erik: okay, so do you have an idea on what's going on? [03.08.2012 20:18:08] Hassy: lets see [03.08.2012 20:18:11] Erik: you said you didn't have time because of olympics [03.08.2012 20:18:18] Hassy: some discussion about whether masons should claim or not [03.08.2012 20:18:27] Hassy: eran and wbg having a pissing contest [03.08.2012 20:18:51] Hassy: was a very general read so I need to go back and have another look [03.08.2012 20:18:57] Hassy: anything major that you can think of? [03.08.2012 20:19:05] Erik: not really [03.08.2012 20:19:18] Erik: a lot of weird stuff but I don't know why it's weird though [03.08.2012 20:19:46] Erik: like the case prplhz did on glasse was literally the worst thing I ever saw [03.08.2012 20:20:01] Erik: and I was sure he did that on purpose to fish for reactions, and he just said he meant it [03.08.2012 20:20:31] Hassy: wait, that was serious? [03.08.2012 20:20:55] Hassy: I thoguht it was part of the "herp Day 1" shit that was going on, and he was gaugig reactions [03.08.2012 20:21:03] Erik: exactly my thoughts [03.08.2012 20:21:17] Erik: I thought he's testing glasse's reactions [03.08.2012 20:21:33] Erik: or if someone else joins him saying some shit like "yo dude, totally agree, lynch that guy" [03.08.2012 20:22:48] Erik: on top of that we got VE who's acting weird, like always [03.08.2012 20:22:54] Erik: WBG acting weird [03.08.2012 20:23:00] Hassy: I'm waiting for VE to role claim randomly [03.08.2012 20:23:06] Hassy: then i can decide his alignment [03.08.2012 20:23:08] Erik: wbg claimed for him [03.08.2012 20:23:12] Erik: VE is a mason [03.08.2012 20:23:16] Hassy: awww [03.08.2012 20:23:35] Hassy: actually that was pretty weird in my eyes [03.08.2012 20:24:03] Hassy: bugs instantly calmiing the mason, then eran masoning bugs straight after [03.08.2012 20:24:11] Erik: yeah [03.08.2012 20:24:32] Erik: especially since Eran said that masons shouldn't care about who they mason and just mason someone influential [03.08.2012 20:24:47] Hassy: here's how I see his move [03.08.2012 20:24:55] Erik: so from that I thought Eran would just mason WBG from the get go, but only did it later [03.08.2012 20:25:07] Hassy: 1. He picked beforehand who he was masoning, and even with the series of events he was like "fuck it i'm sticknig with the strat" [03.08.2012 20:25:12] Hassy: 2. He wanted to be outed [03.08.2012 20:25:21] Hassy: 3. He didnt think it through [03.08.2012 20:25:40] Hassy: I want to say 1, but still.... [03.08.2012 20:25:55] Erik: I actually believee him when he says he wanted to test wbg [03.08.2012 20:26:08] Erik: but I'd say it was stupid so it's 3 for me [03.08.2012 20:26:33] Erik: I could actually see WBG claiming for VE, as metnioned VE likes to claim so might as well get over with it [03.08.2012 20:26:49] Erik: like thinking "well, he's going to claim anyways so I might claim for him" [03.08.2012 20:26:55] Erik: but that's not true for Eran [03.08.2012 20:27:07] Hassy: that's a weird way of doing it though [03.08.2012 20:27:16] Erik: so I really have no idea what wbg is doing [03.08.2012 20:27:22] Hassy: it's like...you know he's going to do it and in generaly t means nothing about his alignment [03.08.2012 20:27:26] Hassy: so....just let him [03.08.2012 20:27:36] Hassy: on the flip side he's now associated with VE [03.08.2012 20:28:01] Erik: yeah it's really weird [03.08.2012 20:28:18] Erik: but I could think of something that makes outing VE neutral and not anti-town [03.08.2012 20:28:37] Erik: however I can't think of a reason to out eran from WBG's point of view [03.08.2012 20:29:12] Erik: I guess best thing is to just watch and see what happens [03.08.2012 20:29:25] Erik: if WBG / Eran / VE are town they'll die themselves just fine lol [03.08.2012 20:30:06] Hassy: already posting targets ont heir heads, so yay [03.08.2012 20:30:30] Erik: those 3 really shouldn't be an issue [03.08.2012 20:30:48] Erik: if WBG is still alive at the start of d3 he's going to get insta-lynched. [03.08.2012 20:30:58] Erik: While mislynching into those would be bad [03.08.2012 20:31:14] Hassy: yeah i see that thinking [03.08.2012 20:31:53] Erik: I'm feeling really paranoid this game [03.08.2012 20:32:11] Hassy: I'm feeling confused, but i'm dehydrated from fasting [03.08.2012 20:32:25] Erik: I got a bad feeling on VE and prplhz and WBG is at least strange [03.08.2012 20:32:34] Erik: They're hardly all 3 mafia lol [03.08.2012 20:32:41] Hassy: Op as hell if they are... [03.08.2012 20:33:00] Hassy: I dunno, I think for now they're all just acting weird [03.08.2012 20:33:09] Erik: yeah exactly [03.08.2012 20:33:14] Erik: btw, why did you mason me? [03.08.2012 20:33:23] Erik: randomly picked someone? [03.08.2012 20:33:26] Hassy: nah [03.08.2012 20:33:30] Erik: or did you go for a read? [03.08.2012 20:33:41] Hassy : I went on a read [03.08.2012 20:33:52] Hassy: I was going to pick a vet for day 1 anyways [03.08.2012 20:33:59] Erik: am I town or mafia?^^ [03.08.2012 20:34:24] Hassy: because i like to get as much info as possible on them [03.08.2012 20:34:27] Hassy: erm....you're toad [03.08.2012 20:34:27] Hassy: :3 [03.08.2012 20:34:47] Erik: so you still need to figure me out [03.08.2012 20:34:59] Hassy: let's jsut say I dont think you're mafia yet [03.08.2012 20:35:10] Hassy: I hate calling people town... [03.08.2012 20:35:15] Erik: yeah just asking because someone else masoned me saying it's obvious I'm town [03.08.2012 20:35:35] Erik: I was actually pretty suprised to hear that [03.08.2012 20:35:46] Erik: because people are really scared about me lately [03.08.2012 20:36:07] Hassy: you're one of the hardest guys on TL Mafia to read tbh [03.08.2012 20:36:22] Hassy: thus MOAR INFO on you [03.08.2012 20:36:27] Erik: yeah that's what I get a lot [03.08.2012 20:37:01] Erik: good thing I'm not role playing my role [03.08.2012 20:37:10] Erik: I got a total attention whore :D [03.08.2012 20:37:51] Erik: so I'll let you read a little if you only took a bried look on the thread so far [03.08.2012 20:37:59] Hassy: something tells me I should watch the series [03.08.2012 20:38:10] Erik: I never watched it either [03.08.2012 20:38:23] Erik: but my guy is literally gonzaw [03.08.2012 20:38:35] Hassy: rofl [03.08.2012 20:38:41] Erik: picture Toad trying to play like gonzaw on purpose, that'd be a spamfest [03.08.2012 20:39:05] Hassy: well, you'd be having conversations with yourself [03.08.2012 20:39:15] Hassy: while the rest of us vote to kill you because we can't read that much [03.08.2012 20:39:50] Erik: are you making notes while playing? [03.08.2012 20:39:55] Hassy: always [03.08.2012 20:40:07] Erik: even as mafia? [03.08.2012 20:40:16] Hassy: though my google docs is fucked so I have to use normal Word ._. [03.08.2012 20:40:29] Hassy: I take notes no matter what because it helps in future games [03.08.2012 20:40:43] Erik: I'm way to lazy to do that as mafia lol [03.08.2012 20:41:10] Erik: but that could obviously be a lie trying to post notes later on to show I'm town [03.08.2012 20:41:13] Erik: damn this is stupid ;D [03.08.2012 20:41:18] Hassy: lol :D [03.08.2012 20:41:59] Erik: what's your thoughts on wbg's agression so far? [03.08.2012 20:42:00] Hassy: ok [03.08.2012 20:42:10] Hassy: one thing that zeph has pointed out that is also striking me as weird [03.08.2012 20:42:13] Hassy: where's ghost? [03.08.2012 20:42:19] Erik: ? [03.08.2012 20:42:51] Hassy: hmmm [03.08.2012 20:42:56] Erik: oh you're taking about the list? [03.08.2012 20:43:02] Hassy: yeah [03.08.2012 20:43:10] Erik: I was actually curious why you're missing in there [03.08.2012 20:43:15] Hassy: ghost and sloosh are normally active ady 1 [03.08.2012 20:43:27] Hassy: oh yeah i still haven't posted.... [03.08.2012 20:43:33] Hassy: this is holy roman all over again [03.08.2012 20:44:26] Erik: Even if you're his mafia buddy I doubt he'd be stupid enough to make a list of everyone who hasn't posted yet excluding his buddy^^ [03.08.2012 20:44:31] Hassy: as for wbg, his aggression feels standard wbg, but doesn't ahve any backup to it [03.08.2012 20:44:41] Hassy: it's almost like he's being aggressive for the sake of being aggressive [03.08.2012 20:44:52] Erik: yeah that's what I'm getting too [03.08.2012 20:45:34] Erik: He's agressive all right. He usually is as town. However, he usually tries to fake that as mafia as well so it's more of a question is it him genuinely being pissed when someone does something retarded or is it a charade. Could be both at this point (first thought was fake) and have to check posts like this in the future! [03.08.2012 20:46:08] Hassy: he could be genuinley pissed about idiocy [03.08.2012 20:46:13] Erik: yeah [03.08.2012 20:46:17] Erik: he does that a lot [03.08.2012 20:46:30] Hassy: but he normally points it out [03.08.2012 20:46:58] Hassy: then again....god I don't see how both oft hem can be town [03.08.2012 20:47:12] Hassy: unless this is some enxt elvel shit from wbg and eran [03.08.2012 20:47:42] Erik: well remember VE vs me in that cursed game? [03.08.2012 20:47:47] Erik: but I doubt that's happening [03.08.2012 20:47:51] Hassy: damn that game ._. [03.08.2012 20:48:17] Hassy: that game is actually noe of the reasons why I was hoping VE would claim [03.08.2012 20:48:32] Hassy: normally I'm not that good at reading him, but when he claims I'm 3/3 in hid alignment :D [03.08.2012 20:50:21] Hassy: side note: I'm guessing from your responses that you don't want to have the masons outed [03.08.2012 20:50:33] Hassy: well, if you did you would ahve said something by now [03.08.2012 20:51:04] Erik: I don't think outing masons is helping town at all [03.08.2012 20:51:28] Erik: I don't see a possible way of "using" that information at all [03.08.2012 20:51:56] Hassy: the mason trading thing was a stupid suggestion [03.08.2012 20:52:09] Erik: we don't know if all masons are claimed, we don't know how many mafia masons there are if at all. So any plan like "let's lynch into masons" is bound to be build on misinformation [03.08.2012 20:52:27] Erik: and if we choose to not use the information we might as well leave out the shitstorm [03.08.2012 20:52:31] Hassy: well the scum masons could just not claim... [03.08.2012 20:52:42] Erik: yeah exactly [03.08.2012 20:52:55] Erik: they could, they could choose not to, we don't know [03.08.2012 20:53:04] Hassy: then we just have a list of town masons and we're all "welp time to look at these guys" [03.08.2012 20:53:45] Erik: yeah and with people like Talis around that's bound to be a shitstorm, even if his assumptions might end up being right [03.08.2012 20:55:35] Hassy: reading talis' post about it [03.08.2012 20:56:49] Hassy: ok that's nonsensical in my eyes [03.08.2012 20:57:27] Erik: I'm leaving you some time to read everything^^ [03.08.2012 20:57:54] Hassy: this may take a while because i have to decide if half these posts are serious or not... [03.08.2012 20:58:20] Erik: that's exactly my problem lol [03.08.2012 21:05:41] Hassy: ooookkkk [03.08.2012 21:05:52] Hassy: think i'm sort of confident I haven't missed too much [03.08.2012 21:06:49] Hassy: anyw hile i was reading, sloosh joins us [03.08.2012 21:06:49] Hassy: woo [03.08.2012 21:07:04] Erik: I totally agree with him [03.08.2012 21:07:09] Erik: except for the part about me obviously [03.08.2012 21:09:07] Hassy: yeah, I'm with that, except for the order [03.08.2012 21:09:41] Hassy: zeph feels null to me, because it reminds me of him beforehand [03.08.2012 21:09:55] Hassy: he generally tries to get discussion over posting thought day 1 [03.08.2012 21:11:58] Hassy: oh, I've decided [03.08.2012 21:12:07] Hassy: Eran's "test" reeks of Bill Murray [03.08.2012 21:12:27] Hassy: the sort of "NOPE IT WAS A TRAP AND YOU FELL FOR IT YOU'RE SCUM" [03.08.2012 21:12:40] Hassy: but in fact it was a pretty stupid trap and doesn't mean much [03.08.2012 21:13:29] Erik: the thing about eran is that I actually liked his earlier posts [03.08.2012 21:13:44] Erik: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#249 [03.08.2012 21:13:48] Erik: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#258 [03.08.2012 21:13:52] Erik: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#259 [03.08.2012 21:13:57] Erik: all posts I like [03.08.2012 21:14:18] Hassy: oh I agree. I'm not calling him scummy, jsut....stupid I guess [03.08.2012 21:14:41] Hassy: slightly feel he wasted his mason for the day if it was purely to tst bugs [03.08.2012 21:15:03] Erik: yeah it's weird [03.08.2012 21:16:10] Hassy: I'm more suspicious of talis and bugs tbh [03.08.2012 21:16:31] Erik: talis surely is my #1 read so far [03.08.2012 21:16:44] Erik: but I'm scared he might just be stupid and actually thinks the way he does [03.08.2012 21:16:46] Erik: 8( [03.08.2012 21:19:02] Hassy: Day 1's.... [03.08.2012 21:22:08] Erik: do you have anything on the small fish of this game? [03.08.2012 21:22:40] Erik: I'm usually having problems figuring them out d1 and so far I've only got something on one guy [03.08.2012 21:23:38] Hassy: Hopeless is an interesting one [03.08.2012 21:23:53] Erik: Calling it now: Prplhz + WBG + Zeph + Talis + 2 new guys [03.08.2012 21:23:58] Hassy: his first post I sort of agree with, but it's non-committal [03.08.2012 21:24:06] Erik: oh it's only 5 [03.08.2012 21:24:07] Hassy: and he jumped on the Glasse idea very quickly [03.08.2012 21:24:10] Erik: lol only one new guy [03.08.2012 21:25:01] Erik: yeah I kind of agree [03.08.2012 21:25:04] Erik: he makes sense [03.08.2012 21:25:35] Erik: but than again it's only one post [03.08.2012 21:25:58] Hassy: OH GOD I'M SO HUNGRY [03.08.2012 21:26:10] Erik: I like this jingleHell guy [03.08.2012 21:26:13] Erik: :D [03.08.2012 21:26:42] Hassy: ok I really need to go open my fast [03.08.2012 21:26:43] Hassy: brb [03.08.2012 21:27:45] Hassy: also, zork is being super lurkey [03.08.2012 21:28:25] Hassy: and I sort of like synystyr [03.08.2012 22:14:36] Hassy: erm [03.08.2012 22:14:46] Hassy: toad....is talis trying to role fish? [03.08.2012 22:15:09] Erik: what post? I'm watching a tv right now^^ [03.08.2012 22:15:17] Hassy: the very last one [03.08.2012 22:15:21] Hassy: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=20#399 [03.08.2012 22:15:25] Erik: I'm reading [03.08.2012 22:16:42] Erik: now idea [03.08.2012 22:16:46] Erik: never watched the show [03.08.2012 22:17:06] Erik: but saying "and if WBG is veteran" is something he should not do oO [03.08.2012 22:19:46] Erik: you should probably post something though [03.08.2012 22:20:14] Erik: right now I'm the only one who knows you're actually in the game [03.08.2012 22:22:29] Hassy: I never know what to post in this situation... [03.08.2012 22:26:29] Hassy: yeah, talis has shot up my radar [04.08.2012 16:37:33] Erik: I think voting for wbg might be a good idea in your position, the thread is pretty much dead [04.08.2012 16:37:48] Hassy: I'm worried toad [04.08.2012 16:37:51] Erik: and I don't really want to the only one posting in there nonstop [04.08.2012 16:38:02] Erik: why? [04.08.2012 16:38:47] Hassy: I'm starting to think he's genuinely pissed off [04.08.2012 16:39:08] Erik: there's no reason to be that pissed about something in the thread [04.08.2012 16:39:17] Hassy: exactly [04.08.2012 16:39:19] Erik: and I have no idea what he's talking about with eran [04.08.2012 16:39:28] Hassy: there's no logical reason to be annoyed [04.08.2012 16:39:42] Hassy: he's being totally illogical [04.08.2012 16:39:51] Hassy: and that's so uncharacteristic of bugs as scum AND town [04.08.2012 16:40:29] Erik: bugs nows that his town meta is "being angry" or being pissed [04.08.2012 16:40:38] Hassy: this is true [04.08.2012 16:40:43] Erik: if he's mafia he has to fake it anyways [04.08.2012 16:41:10] Hassy: I may be straight up underestimating bugs' strat play in this game [04.08.2012 16:41:41] Erik: the only thing I'm scared about is that I don't know what eran and bugs are talking about [04.08.2012 16:41:46] Erik: I'd love to see that log [04.08.2012 16:42:02] Erik: from the thread there's no reason to be that pissed at all and if that's all he's mafia [04.08.2012 16:42:18] Hassy: you think one oft hem will release it if tey're about to die? [04.08.2012 16:42:38] Erik: if eran genuinely pisses him off in skype he could be mad without us understanding why [04.08.2012 16:42:52] Erik: yeah pretty sure we'll get the information [04.08.2012 16:42:57] Erik: but I'd rather have it right now [04.08.2012 16:42:58] Hassy: ok, I have an idea [04.08.2012 16:43:02] Hassy: no more guessing around [04.08.2012 16:43:09] Erik: if eran is town and bugs is mafia eran will post it [04.08.2012 16:43:12] Hassy: straight question, lets just ask him what exactly he's pissed off about [04.08.2012 16:43:21] Erik: if bugs is town and eran is mafia bugs will post it [04.08.2012 16:43:41] Erik: yeah do that [04.08.2012 16:43:47] Erik: and just ask for the log [04.08.2012 16:43:53] Erik: everyone knows they're masoned anyways [04.08.2012 16:45:00] Erik: actually [04.08.2012 16:45:05] Erik: zephirdd looks really bad [04.08.2012 16:45:28] Erik: he someone manages to post stuff that reads awefully bad every single time [04.08.2012 16:45:47] Erik: Zeph: "Secondly, every single argument is the same argument over and over: town arguing with town that the game should be played certain way." [04.08.2012 16:45:58] Erik: how in the world does he know it's town argueing vs town? [04.08.2012 16:46:22] Hassy: does he genuinely think that they're both town having a pissing contest? [04.08.2012 16:46:30] Erik: seems so [04.08.2012 16:46:34] Hassy: LIII part 2 [04.08.2012 16:46:47] Erik: and he apparently thinks the same about me attacking wbg [04.08.2012 16:46:52] Erik: and everyone else attacking each other [04.08.2012 16:47:25] Hassy: Occam's razor surely [04.08.2012 16:48:12] Hassy: It's highly unlikely that both eran and bugs are town [04.08.2012 16:48:25] Hassy: even with their abrasive personalities [04.08.2012 16:48:53] Erik: I'd include prplhz in that group thanks to one of bugs most recent posts [04.08.2012 16:49:32] Erik: bugs said he thinks prplhz is 95% mafia. If bugs really is a townie and is pissed because of the skype convos we at least know that's something to work with [04.08.2012 16:50:04] Erik: I'd say at this point either bugs or prplhz has to be mafia. I don't know how eran is in this [04.08.2012 16:50:51] Hassy: well we need the logs to get a better read on eran [04.08.2012 16:51:02] Hassy: if bugs is town there's something that's clearly pissed him off [04.08.2012 16:51:09] Hassy: if he's mafia there's implication in there [04.08.2012 16:51:14] Erik: yeah i really want to see those logs to see wether or not bugs has a reason to be that pissed [04.08.2012 16:51:16] Hassy: either way it's useful [04.08.2012 16:51:36] Erik: just go ahead and ask him [04.08.2012 16:51:44] Erik: he's probably ignoring me [04.08.2012 16:52:01] Erik: and if we can see the logs BEFORE the lynch happens that might be really good [04.08.2012 16:52:13] Erik: also I want you to post more :3 [04.08.2012 16:53:20] Hassy: no point in complicating it [04.08.2012 16:53:32] Hassy: we're lsoing the meanings of shit in the semantics thrown around [04.08.2012 17:15:50] Hassy: here's something awkward [04.08.2012 17:15:57] Hassy: what if they both refuse? [04.08.2012 17:16:15] Erik: why should they [04.08.2012 17:16:37] Hassy: illogically [04.08.2012 17:16:40] Erik: worst case scenario is they're posting it 1 sec before the lynch [04.08.2012 17:16:52] Erik: why should town wbg not post it before the lynch [04.08.2012 17:17:00] Erik: or why should town eran not post it before the lynch [04.08.2012 17:17:13] Hassy: I'm trying to wrap around wy either of them should be doing what they're doing [04.08.2012 17:18:01] Hassy: I'd expect eran to do it at least, if he's town [04.08.2012 17:18:17] Hassy: bugs is being spiteful, and might not if that's still the case [04.08.2012 17:22:33] Hassy: random tangent btw: olympic QF between senegal and mexico [04.08.2012 17:22:45] Hassy: on of the seneglese actually drop kicked someone [04.08.2012 17:23:08] Erik: how do people watch olympics [04.08.2012 17:23:29] Erik: I get that you're from the UK and so them being in london is something but I'd never consider watching them ;D [04.08.2012 17:23:58] Hassy: its fun [04.08.2012 17:24:08] Hassy: one of the few times we get some national pride :D [04.08.2012 19:37:44] Hassy: still no log from either of them [04.08.2012 20:51:15] Erik: okay the log is erandorr and wbg mud fighting [04.08.2012 20:54:12] Hassy: looking...for something credible... [04.08.2012 21:01:17] Hassy: no...I don't really see it [04.08.2012 21:01:38] Erik: ? [04.08.2012 21:01:49] Hassy: the chat, is there really a decent discussion in there? [04.08.2012 21:01:55] Erik: no [04.08.2012 21:01:57] Erik: ^^ [04.08.2012 21:02:06] Hassy: even the discussion about masons deteriorated fast [04.08.2012 21:02:11] Erik: but I'd be pissed if that happened to me [04.08.2012 21:02:25] Erik: i just don't know why it happened lol [04.08.2012 21:02:33] Hassy: I don't see a reason [04.08.2012 21:02:49] Hassy: literally started with him being pissed off [04.08.2012 21:02:54] Hassy: unless he's super stressed about finals [04.08.2012 22:18:23] Hassy: well looks like he's super stressed out about exams! [04.08.2012 22:42:03] Hassy: hmmm [04.08.2012 22:42:14] Hassy: I still think that talis is a bit worse than prpl tbh [04.08.2012 22:42:34] Hassy: i've counted three times that he's tried to rolefish/out a potential blue [04.08.2012 22:43:02] Erik: yeah but talis does that no matter of alignment [04.08.2012 22:43:20] Erik: he's really the kind of guy who plays mafia to understand the set-up and not to figure people out [04.08.2012 22:43:57] Hassy: that's a very dangerous way of playing [04.08.2012 22:44:16] Erik: it's a stupid way of playing [04.08.2012 22:44:23] Erik: but I can't help it [04.08.2012 22:45:21] Hassy: I guess [04.08.2012 22:45:25] Hassy: how long till the deadline btw? [04.08.2012 22:45:39] Erik: really long I think 5 am my time? [04.08.2012 22:45:48] Hassy: og that's ok [04.08.2012 22:45:54] Hassy: I have to go to the mosque for a few hours [04.08.2012 22:45:57] Erik: 9 pm est [04.08.2012 22:46:01] Erik: let's check what that is [04.08.2012 22:46:08] Hassy: still have time to get back and make a final decision [04.08.2012 22:46:14] Erik: 4 am my time [04.08.2012 22:46:21] Erik: kk [04.08.2012 22:46:28] Hassy: so...3am mine [04.08.2012 22:46:30] Hassy: plenty of time [04.08.2012 22:46:31] Hassy: cya in a bit Needless to say I was the guy who proposed the Prplhz lynch in chat with Eran while Eran favored the WBG lynch. | ||
Toadesstern
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+ Show Spoiler [my thoughts about the log] + There are a bunch of issues with Eran in the log I quoted like him saying "WBG is mafia, VE is mafia, Prplhz is probably mafia, you could be mafia yourself" but I took that as him being unsure at that time and considering all the possibilities. Or the fact that I consider him to be writing manipulative to some degree but idk. For example, when he said "Everyone in this game is just bad... and you're as well if you can't realize that". That's something I really don't like in general because obviously noone wants to be called bad which results in most people simply agreeing with the guy for the sake of not beeing bad, because again, who wants to be bad, right? However those moments were rare and I think if he wanted to manipulate me he'd rather do something along the lines of Hassy: Agree with me a lot, sweet-talk me, stuff like that. I really don't think he'd take the hard-route and risk making me mad like that if the goal was to manipulate me I'm usually playing along when masoning with people either way to get a better idea about them and what they're trying to do. So keep that in mind. + Show Spoiler [Masonlog with Eran - english] + [03.08.2012 14:21:48] Toad: sup [03.08.2012 14:21:49] Erandorr: sup [03.08.2012 14:21:50] Erandorr: :D [03.08.2012 14:22:01] Toad: thoughts so far? [03.08.2012 14:22:08] Toad: about that VE / WBG thing? [03.08.2012 14:22:16] Erandorr: uh [03.08.2012 14:22:22] Erandorr: VE masoning should be clear [03.08.2012 14:22:33] Erandorr: you mason people who are going to have some influence [03.08.2012 14:22:43] Erandorr: especially if 90% of the playerbase in the game is bad [03.08.2012 14:22:53] Toad: sure, but the thing with WBG is [03.08.2012 14:22:59] Erandorr: that' got nothing to do with wether or not VE thinks bugs is town or mafia [03.08.2012 14:23:00] Toad: he's extremly manipulative [03.08.2012 14:23:23] Toad: I don't think I'd dare to insta-mason WBG on d1 without information [03.08.2012 14:23:33] Erandorr: y not [03.08.2012 14:23:36] Erandorr: bugs is easy [03.08.2012 14:24:00] Toad: pretty much everyone agrees that he's master-mafia :p [03.08.2012 14:24:13] Erandorr: I get him every game [03.08.2012 14:24:14] Toad: and he's extremly good in making people think the way he thinks [03.08.2012 14:24:14] Erandorr: except for one [03.08.2012 14:24:16] Erandorr: so far [03.08.2012 14:24:39] Toad: I think I'm quite decent in understanding him as well but that got to be based on something [03.08.2012 14:24:45] Erandorr: he's good [03.08.2012 14:24:53] Erandorr: but I got him every game so far [03.08.2012 14:25:08] Erandorr: it's not about [03.08.2012 14:25:18] Toad: last time I played with him and he was mafia [03.08.2012 14:25:29] Toad: I told people he's mafia d1 or d2 (storm) [03.08.2012 14:25:42] Toad: but he somehow managed to get 70% of people follow his ideas [03.08.2012 14:25:46] Toad: and everyone did what he wanted [03.08.2012 14:25:52] Erandorr: wayne [03.08.2012 14:26:26] Toad: if you're sure that you're belonging to those 30%, yeah^^ [03.08.2012 14:26:35] Erandorr: no that doesn't matter [03.08.2012 14:26:45] Erandorr: because that's completly OT [03.08.2012 14:26:59] Erandorr: if you're that scared that someone could manipulate you as scum [03.08.2012 14:27:07] Erandorr: you probably should forget about playing mafia [03.08.2012 14:27:09] Toad: but it's better to just mason someone you got a town-read on [03.08.2012 14:27:11] Erandorr: and VE isn't doing that [03.08.2012 14:27:21] Erandorr: how do you want to know that bugs isn't town? [03.08.2012 14:27:31] Erandorr: and I suppose VE thinks everyone else in the game is useless [03.08.2012 14:27:40] Erandorr: which should be correct, the playerbase is shit [03.08.2012 14:27:43] Toad: idk, but I'm rather masoning someone I got a townread on than masoning someone randomly [03.08.2012 14:28:13] Toad: yeah playerbase is shit but some people are decent [03.08.2012 14:28:26] Toad: you're decent, VE is decent, prplhz is decent, that smurf guy is probably decent [03.08.2012 14:28:38] Toad: WBG is decent, I think I'm decent as well [03.08.2012 14:29:08] Toad: That's all people you could choose from. And if you got that selection you'd rather choose someone you got down as a townie, instead of [03.08.2012 14:29:13] Toad: just randomly someone [03.08.2012 14:29:45] Erandorr: wbg isn't just someone [03.08.2012 14:29:56] Erandorr: and it's important to get a good read on him [03.08.2012 14:30:18] Erandorr: and why should you mason someone you consider to be town? [03.08.2012 14:30:21] Toad: yeah but reading wbg is easier from watching than from talking with him imo [03.08.2012 14:30:52] Toad: o the cycle isn't wasted?^^ [03.08.2012 14:31:19] Toad: especially d1 the reads are usually pretty weak [03.08.2012 14:32:05] Erandorr: hmm [03.08.2012 14:32:24] Erandorr: I think it's too early [03.08.2012 14:32:30] Erandorr: to think about stuff like that [03.08.2012 14:32:34] Toad: yeah [03.08.2012 14:32:37] Erandorr: let's see how they're going to react this day [03.08.2012 14:32:41] Toad: I want to know what VE is going to answer^^ [03.08.2012 14:32:49] Erandorr: what's your thoughts about the rest [03.08.2012 14:32:55] Erandorr: who posted so far [03.08.2012 14:33:19] Toad: talis is hard to read atm. What he posted earlier is just extreme bullshit [03.08.2012 14:33:43] Toad: I think he's mafia who's trying to bend something in a way so it's beneficial for him [03.08.2012 14:34:11] Toad: VE is strange, you're town, zeph is strange [03.08.2012 14:34:22] Erandorr: why am I town? [03.08.2012 14:34:32] Toad: clicky! I like. I would have done the same if I were around. To make clear that what WBG posted could possibly be something of importance and to get him talking by voting / taunting him. Looks like a nice d1 mason target to me and he's german... but I want to have more input right now clicky! Another nice post I like. Completly agree with him. Clicky! Another nice post. I'll mason him d1. [03.08.2012 14:34:46] Toad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#249 (1st clicky) [03.08.2012 14:34:54] Toad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#258 (2nd) [03.08.2012 14:35:03] Toad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=13#259 (3rd) [03.08.2012 14:35:18] Erandorr: boah [03.08.2012 14:35:22] Erandorr: so many notes [03.08.2012 14:35:23] Erandorr: tryhard :D [03.08.2012 14:35:47] Toad: well I liked your first post and I wanted to mason you [03.08.2012 14:36:05] Toad: proceeded to wait a little and checked you out so I've got more notes on you than on the rest [03.08.2012 14:36:13] Erandorr: :D [03.08.2012 14:36:15] Erandorr: hmm [03.08.2012 14:36:25] Erandorr: idk, I'd never say someone is town [03.08.2012 14:36:29] Erandorr: after 3 posts :D [03.08.2012 14:36:57] Toad: What's "confident" in german?^^ [03.08.2012 14:37:07] Toad: I guess I think my townreads are quite decent [Toads annotation: wouldn't it be ironic to run directly into mafia?] [03.08.2012 14:37:10] Erandorr: "zuversichtlich" [03.08.2012 14:37:16] Erandorr: "selbstbewusst" [03.08.2012 14:37:28] Erandorr: that's it in german :D [03.08.2012 14:37:48] Toad: ok, VE is extremly strange to me [03.08.2012 14:37:51] Toad: don't you think so? [03.08.2012 14:38:06] Toad: (not because of that mason thing at all) [03.08.2012 14:38:20] Erandorr: hmm [03.08.2012 14:38:24] Erandorr: somehow [03.08.2012 14:38:31] Erandorr: but I'm still having problems dealing with the fact that he's supposed to be good now [03.08.2012 14:38:43] Toad: same here ;D [03.08.2012 14:38:45] Erandorr: haven't played for half a year and he used to be [03.08.2012 14:38:48] Erandorr: lynch target #1 [03.08.2012 14:38:50] Toad: he had that one really good game [03.08.2012 14:38:51] Erandorr: basicly every game [03.08.2012 14:39:05] Toad: he played really good as SK [03.08.2012 14:39:18] Toad: ever since that game he got to be major-VET and / or n1-target [03.08.2012 14:39:25] Toad: after that game he proceeded to fail a lot [03.08.2012 14:39:41] Toad: not like big fails but he didn't play like someone who's a n1-target afterwards [03.08.2012 14:40:43] Toad: someone you got a read on so far? [03.08.2012 14:40:57] Erandorr: nope [03.08.2012 14:41:02] Toad: nice^^ [03.08.2012 14:41:04] Erandorr: just ask me later the evening [03.08.2012 14:41:10] Erandorr: I never got reads that early [03.08.2012 14:41:20] Erandorr: maybe a thought but no read [03.08.2012 14:41:49] Erandorr: going to be [03.08.2012 14:41:53] Erandorr: back in 2 or 3 hours [03.08.2012 14:41:57] Toad: kk [03.08.2012 14:41:58] Erandorr: I'm chasing my room in my shared flat [annotation: I had no idea what that's supposed to mean] [03.08.2012 14:42:04] Erandorr: that's really annoying this time [03.08.2012 16:31:58] Toad: prplhz doing that on purpose to get a reaction from glasse [annotation: After Eran posted in thread about prplhz's case being stupid] [03.08.2012 16:32:07] Erandorr: wbg is scum [03.08.2012 16:32:10] Erandorr: ve prly scum [03.08.2012 16:32:13] Erandorr: prplhz might be scum [03.08.2012 16:32:27] Toad: no way is prplhz really thinking the way he posted [03.08.2012 16:32:34] Erandorr: scum [03.08.2012 16:32:46] Erandorr: wbg is scum and he's behaving like a complete idiot [03.08.2012 16:33:31] Erandorr: you might be scum as well, not sure yet [03.08.2012 16:33:33] Erandorr: <3 [03.08.2012 16:33:37] Erandorr: but I'd doubt it, your notes [03.08.2012 16:33:37] Erandorr: are to much effort [03.08.2012 16:35:20] Toad: idk, I don't think prplhz would post that as mafia [03.08.2012 16:35:34] Toad: what he posted [about glasse] is just the biggest junk of bullshit I've ever read [03.08.2012 16:35:53] Toad: he GOT to know that [03.08.2012 16:38:11] Toad: btw, did you really mason WBG or was WBG just fooling around? [03.08.2012 16:38:27] Erandorr: really did that to check what he's going to do [03.08.2012 16:38:30] Erandorr: and yes he's scum [03.08.2012 16:38:39] Erandorr: or he's playing the worst town game ever [03.08.2012 16:38:58] Toad: because of something in the thread or because of something in your chat? [03.08.2012 16:54:08] Toad: going to get something to eat and I'll check it out later [03.08.2012 17:09:51] Toad: gawd, nothing here... have to go to McD [03.08.2012 18:09:51] Erandorr: everyone in this game is so bad [03.08.2012 18:09:53] Erandorr: oh my god [03.08.2012 18:09:55] Toad: [03.08.2012 18:10:04] Erandorr: you're as well if you can't realize that, sry [03.08.2012 18:13:32] Toad: problem right now is, that's so much that doesn't make sense to me [03.08.2012 18:13:41] Toad: I want to know why WBG outed 2 guys [03.08.2012 18:14:02] Toad: I want to know why prplhz posted that bullshit case [03.08.2012 18:14:13] Toad: I want to know why VE is posting so idiotic [03.08.2012 18:14:14] Erandorr: :D [03.08.2012 18:14:22] Toad: doubt all three of them are mafia [03.08.2012 18:14:28] Erandorr: rofl [03.08.2012 18:14:38] Toad: so someone is bound to do bullshit on purpose [03.08.2012 18:15:48] Toad: and those are the guys who are capable to play decent [03.08.2012 18:16:02] Toad: guys like Talis not even listed above [04.08.2012 12:30:15] Toad: I got the feeling this game is going to be hard [04.08.2012 12:30:25] Erandorr: rofl [04.08.2012 12:30:30] Toad: I think we got about 6 guys in this game who are truely able to do something [04.08.2012 12:30:30] Erandorr: I played [04.08.2012 12:30:35] Erandorr: 1v24 for one full day [04.08.2012 12:30:41] Erandorr: as long as WBG is out of the way everything's going to be all right [04.08.2012 12:30:49] Toad: let's say out of those 6 are 5 town and one is mafia [04.08.2012 12:31:13] Toad: as soon as those 5 are gone it's going to be the same as WoF 8( [04.08.2012 12:35:25] Erandorr: vot [04.08.2012 12:35:27] Erandorr: vote [04.08.2012 12:35:28] Erandorr: wbg [04.08.2012 12:35:30] Erandorr: in thread and vote thread [04.08.2012 12:35:32] Erandorr: man up [04.08.2012 12:35:48] Toad: I did in the voting thread [04.08.2012 12:35:58] Erandorr: post something inthread [04.08.2012 12:35:59] Erandorr: to make it clear [04.08.2012 12:36:07] Toad: fine [04.08.2012 12:36:07] Erandorr: that's important so that the zombies get an idea on what's happening [04.08.2012 12:37:22] Toad: but those 2 mafia KP are going to be really bad [04.08.2012 12:37:30] Erandorr: mhm [04.08.2012 12:37:50] Toad: 5 alive = 2 KP, 4 alive = 2 KP, 3 alive = 2KP [04.08.2012 12:38:14] Toad: as soon as WBG / you / VE / Prplhz / Smurf / me are dead this is going to be really bad [04.08.2012 12:38:41] Erandorr: nope [04.08.2012 12:38:43] Erandorr: that's wayne [04.08.2012 12:38:51] Erandorr: naps are going to do what naps are going to do [04.08.2012 12:38:55] Erandorr: I don't care about that :D [04.08.2012 12:38:55] Toad: think we have to understand the game until the end of n2 [04.08.2012 12:39:44] Toad: but funny how this game seems to be mason infested. [04.08.2012 17:30:04] Erandorr: its [04.08.2012 17:30:07] Erandorr: prplhz and wbg [04.08.2012 17:30:07] Erandorr: most likely [04.08.2012 17:30:12] Erandorr: not one or the other [04.08.2012 17:30:20] Erandorr: its good scumplay to set it up like bugs does [04.08.2012 17:30:23] Toad: dude german :D [annotation: last 5 lines were english] [04.08.2012 17:30:29] Erandorr: ok look [04.08.2012 17:30:33] Toad: yeah might be [04.08.2012 17:30:35] Erandorr: bugs says he's 95% certain [04.08.2012 17:30:39] Erandorr: prplhz is scum [04.08.2012 17:30:43] Toad: my "or" wasn't meant to be excluding [annotation: Prplhz or WBG have to be mafia post] [04.08.2012 17:30:45] Erandorr: but he never mentioned him once [04.08.2012 17:31:00] Toad: jyeah [04.08.2012 17:31:17] Toad: even though I asked him twice about prplhz [04.08.2012 17:31:44] Toad: that "or" was more of a "one of the two has to be mafia" [04.08.2012 20:24:44] Toad: oh [04.08.2012 20:25:02] Erandorr: im here [04.08.2012 20:25:05] Toad: ist voting format simple majority? [04.08.2012 20:25:06] Erandorr: eating right now [04.08.2012 20:25:13] Erandorr: btw about the logs [04.08.2012 20:25:23] Erandorr: I can send them to you so that you get an idea about it [04.08.2012 20:25:33] Toad: k [04.08.2012 20:26:01] Erandorr: his logik in there [04.08.2012 20:26:42] Toad: just upload it somewhere as .txt, okay? [04.08.2012 20:27:20] Erandorr: I'm going to put you through this [04.08.2012 20:27:21] Erandorr: for lols [04.08.2012 20:27:46] Erandorr: k it's to big [04.08.2012 20:27:56] Erandorr: where to upload? [04.08.2012 20:28:21] Toad: http://www.speedyshare.com/ [04.08.2012 20:28:28] Toad: just upload as .txt [04.08.2012 20:29:08] Erandorr: sent you pm [04.08.2012 20:29:09] Erandorr: first [04.08.2012 20:31:31] Erandorr: oh [04.08.2012 20:31:34] Erandorr: and he's lying btw [04.08.2012 20:31:38] Erandorr: I never called him mafia in mini mafia [04.08.2012 20:31:46] Erandorr: wasn't sure about it but I just checked it [04.08.2012 20:36:22] Erandorr: you think I should post that? [04.08.2012 20:36:33] Toad: am reading [04.08.2012 20:36:35] Toad: brb [04.08.2012 20:36:36] Erandorr: you've got to [04.08.2012 20:36:51] Erandorr: I provoked him because I was pissed as well [04.08.2012 20:36:55] Erandorr: but check out [04.08.2012 20:37:01] Erandorr: what he's doing every time I'm asking a question [04.08.2012 20:38:25] Toad: don't think it's going to hurt to post it [04.08.2012 20:38:41] Erandorr: hmm [04.08.2012 20:38:44] Toad: hassy is going to say that he understands how WBG ended up being pissed. [04.08.2012 20:38:54] Toad: because that's really just mud fighting [04.08.2012 20:39:00] Erandorr: oh [04.08.2012 20:39:05] Erandorr: that's exactly why I don't want to post it [04.08.2012 20:39:13] Erandorr: if even you're telling me it's a mud fight [04.08.2012 20:39:21] Erandorr: just read how the mud fight started [04.08.2012 20:39:23] Erandorr: check out what I said [04.08.2012 20:39:30] Erandorr: and his reaction [04.08.2012 20:39:36] Erandorr: and what kind of words he's putting in my mouth [04.08.2012 20:43:30] Toad: I'm still not sure if it's better to lynch WBG or prplhz [04.08.2012 20:43:54] Toad: to me both are about equally scummy [04.08.2012 20:44:09] Erandorr: we've got to pull through with WBG [04.08.2012 20:44:23] Toad: guess so [04.08.2012 20:45:32] Erandorr: promised a friend [04.08.2012 20:45:37] Erandorr: to play some dota [04.08.2012 20:45:38] Erandorr: afk 2 hours or something like that [04.08.2012 20:45:43] Erandorr: let's see what's going to happen [04.08.2012 20:47:18] Toad: I think you should post the log nevertheless [04.08.2012 20:47:34] Toad: the case on WBG is not entirely on him ragequitting [04.08.2012 21:00:13] Toad: btw I think Hassy could be the last mafia [04.08.2012 23:11:23] Erandorr: no [04.08.2012 23:11:24] Erandorr: kill wbg [04.08.2012 23:11:26] Erandorr: he is scum [04.08.2012 23:11:36] Erandorr: its fake anger [04.08.2012 23:11:39] Erandorr: it must be [04.08.2012 23:11:48] Toad: prplhz ist equally scum [04.08.2012 23:11:59] Erandorr: yeah but right now [04.08.2012 23:12:04] Erandorr: we've got enough on WBG [04.08.2012 23:12:07] Erandorr: lynch WBG [04.08.2012 23:12:15] Toad: and WBG said he thinks prplhz to be 95% mafia [04.08.2012 23:12:16] Erandorr: and it's almost indifferent [04.08.2012 23:12:24] Erandorr: yeah and if prplhz is mafia together with WBG [04.08.2012 23:12:27] Erandorr: which I consider to be the case [04.08.2012 23:12:35] Erandorr: WBG is going to look decent and has anther 2 or 3 days to pull some bullshit [04.08.2012 23:12:38] Toad: that's not going to hurt [04.08.2012 23:13:00] Toad: if he's still alive d3 after a red prplhz lynch he's going to get insta-lynched anyways [04.08.2012 23:13:17] Toad: while we can just lynch someone different d2 [04.08.2012 23:13:21] Erandorr: well [04.08.2012 23:13:22] Erandorr: pff [04.08.2012 23:13:25] Toad: or hassy [04.08.2012 23:13:26] Erandorr: honestly [04.08.2012 23:13:34] Erandorr: I don't want to stick to the game with WBG in it [04.08.2012 23:13:40] Erandorr: you read what he posted [04.08.2012 23:13:49] Toad: ignore it / him [00:00:22] Erandorr: murder [00:00:29] Erandorr: prplhz [00:00:29] Erandorr: today [00:00:33] Erandorr: should be okay [00:00:37] Toad: yeah [00:00:53] Toad: everyone and their mom crawling out of their holes out of nowhere is kinda funny [00:01:05] Erandorr: I think jinglehell is mafia [00:01:11] Erandorr: not because of his most recent post [00:01:17] Erandorr: but because of everything that he did before that [00:01:39] Erandorr: soft wbg defence is something I obviously don't like either :D [00:01:44] Toad: I actually had jinglehell down as dopey townie who's having his first or 2nd game [00:01:53] Erandorr: hmm could be [00:02:04] Erandorr: but I'd say we should look after him tomorrow [00:02:07] Erandorr: talking about d2 [00:02:12] Toad: something like that is really hard to judge but he's putting in some effort [00:02:19] Toad: and if we're talking about noobs that's always a plus on my list [00:02:23] Toad: yeah [00:02:29] Toad: my read on him is really weak [00:39:53] Erandorr: yap [00:39:58] Erandorr: jingles is scum [00:40:09] Erandorr: his reads about the important guys [00:40:31] Erandorr: om the other hand it would be pretty bold for a noob mafia [00:40:32] Erandorr: let's see [00:40:38] Erandorr: we've got some time but he's staying on the radar I don't think there's anything in there that's confidential. Some reads that may or may not be best outed and I don't know which one's the case so I just posted it because I'm having some problems figuring out what's going on right now. I actually wouldn't mind vets being shot tonight. I know I'm town. I think / thought Eran is town. I still think WBG has a decent chance to flip mafia. If he's not mafia Eran probably is and I was wrong about him. VE is still weird but somewhat on the townside but I'd have to look out for him. Prplhz is dead and I considered him to be maifa. To be perfectly honest I wouldn't mind anyone out of those dying at all and I feel like seeing them flip is at least going to help us figure out this chaos. I obviously can't tell you to protect me but at the same time ignore those 4. That being said I'd say it's best to protect people who are looking townish but usually not drawing protection. | ||
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On August 06 2012 00:03 strongandbig wrote: Alright I just spent like two hours rereading the whole thread. Here's what I've got: Scummiest of all: wherebugsgo + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 20:50 wherebugsgo wrote: before I forget, I got masoned by VE. I'm not a mason. I'm Roger Sterling. You guys should know that by now, but then again I don't remember why I hired some of you. scummy as fuck. idgaf about him getting all emo that's not alignment indicative. It seems like continuing to push for his lynch right now is just gonna fuck over the town atmosphere even more, so I'll give him a day. However, it's gonna take some fucking townie-ass shit to change my mind. also where the fuck do bugs go On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: + Show Spoiler + Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV. I would strongly suggest to anyone who gets masoned to out the person who masoned them from now on. If both Eran and VE are town then the likelihood of a third mason being town is incredibly low. Thus if there is a scum mason they'd be unlikely to use it (win for us). I'm pretty sure both VE and Eran are town (for now). In particular Eran is almost certainly town because he really wants me to prove I'm town (encouraging me to get on skype, for example) something I don't think he'd do as scum. Anyone voting for him right now (Jingle) needs to also read his posts. Some of the logic might be bad but that doesn't make Eran scum. ##vote grush57 seriously scummy as fuck >80% chance of flipping scum imo:
Candidates for the other scum:
I also generated quite a few weak town reads and three or four really really strong town reads. However, I won't be sharing those because there's no good reason to and I don't want to give scum advice on which lurkers to shoot. I'm also just going to post some stuff down below here because it deserves to be pointed out. + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 10:34 Zephirdd wrote: HAHAHA I WIN for that ##vote prplhz I didn't realize we ventured off the beaten path into MafiaScum here...so we're just voting randomly now? Should I take this as your consent to lynch randomly today? For my part, I'm very much against random lynching in this game. We need to be lynching scum, and if Bureaucracy taught us anything, it's that D1 scum lynches are VERY VERY possible given proper scumhunting. Granted, it took scum and town BOTH looking, but I digress....I'm against RL this game. Actually wait where the fuck did random lynch proposal come from -> null or scum Yeah I know people said ve was playing cautiously because of his role but fuck that he's ve, he doesn't do that shit. On August 05 2012 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, everyone STOP. This lynch on WBG is not happening. Having PMed with him, I'm NOT of the opinion that he's scum and I think we should focus on other, actually scummy candidates. You guys are WIFOMing this lynch to shit. I fully support a talis lynch upon rereading. He literally asked for a NAMECLAIM from everyone guys. LITERALLY. ##Vote: talismania I think Bugs is town. I don't want to lynch him. slOosh, you in particular I want to hear more reasoning from. Your only gripe with him seems to be his read on prplhz - so...because you disagree with his read he's scum? Really? I don't like a grush lynch today either - it feels like a copout. But I totally can see a town Bugs wanting to lynch grush today. Grush was a key factor in the scum victory in LVI, for the same shit he's exhibiting now. However, I agree that we should give our vigs a chance to take care of him. We should be aiming for people we specifically think are scum, and for me that's not wherebugsgo. This is pretty terrible play, VE. You just assert that your PMs with wbg make you think he's town. That shouldn't be enough to move a lynch off of someone without proof, you need to back that up. On the other hand, I think talismania looks scummy, so ve gets benefit of the doubt for now. Yeah still think WBG is the best course of action. However I'd like to think thigns through. Something went wrong yesterday and I don't know what, yet. | ||
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The thing about WBG was this: It was a read based on 3 things and all 3 things meant mafia for me
The first point got destroyed once I saw the log, I questioned myself and thought going after prplhz is the better way. I also considered the read on prplhz better than a read on on WBG that was based on only 2 things, while a read based on all 3 things about WBG would have been supirior. So DT feel free to check Hassy or WBG imo. Eran / VE and myself are decent targets as well if you consider us to be scummy but I don't so far, so I haven't those 3 names included. Those are good targets to check if you have a "well he's at least somewhat scummy" feeling. If you have a really strong read on someone else checking them is obviously good as well. | ||
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On August 06 2012 03:04 talismania wrote: Toad Still would like to see those game notes of yours just to confirm that you were taking them Hassybaby That goes for you too. Let's see your game notes :3 I think I already posted enough information so far. Some of my notes are already in the thread. Read the initial post I did about VE? Those lines in the spoiler where directly copy & pasted. Read the log between Eran and myself? When I explained why I consider him to be town, that's directly from my notes. | ||
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On August 06 2012 03:11 talismania wrote: So there's stuff in the rest of your notes that you don't want seen yet? Why? (Genuine question I can think of legitimate reasons) If you're just worried about clutter there's always spoiler tags. It's not only mafia reads but townreads as well. If I post them I'm giving mafia the recipe/key for how to make me think someone is town. I don't like that. If I post them I'm telling people I've got down as weak reads what they have to look out for. If they're mafia I don't like that either. | ||
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On August 06 2012 04:11 talismania wrote: strongandbig and VE what do you think of the other? On August 06 2012 03:45 talismania wrote: Direct question then: Who do you think is scum and why? On August 06 2012 03:41 talismania wrote: Hmm kind of agree with strongandbig on biosc. Biosc all I see in your filter is reactive posts. What are you reads? On August 06 2012 03:16 talismania wrote: Ok cool toad. VE still waiting to hear you explain on your reasons for picking WBG: On August 06 2012 03:11 talismania wrote: So there's stuff in the rest of your notes that you don't want seen yet? Why? (Genuine question I can think of legitimate reasons) If you're just worried about clutter there's always spoiler tags. On August 06 2012 03:09 talismania wrote: Ok thanks VE but can you expand on your thought process for picking bugs? Like you really wanted to make a friend to defend you so that you could focus on scumhunting? That was your motivation? On August 06 2012 03:04 talismania wrote: Toad Still would like to see those game notes of yours just to confirm that you were taking them Hassybaby That goes for you too. Let's see your game notes :3 You ask all these questions/requests, yet there's nothing you come up with. What are the answers for if you're not using them to analyze people? | ||
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Unless mafia screws up BIG time and gives the mason role to the one guy who will be the RB as well. According to the OP there's one GF and one RB fixed if I understand it correctly. So unless someone pops up having two roles, like being a rb AND being a Mason the DT will only get a "Mason" result and won't know shit about wether or not that guy is mafia or town. Unless of course a goon picking the mason will result as "goon + mason" but I highly doubt that. I'm no DT and that's a question you guys (if there are DT's out there) should know better than I do. You probably asked BC about this kind of stuff. | ||
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On August 06 2012 07:37 talismania wrote: toad it seems they actually got to choose all of their roles, inlcuding who gets RB and GF. RB and GF can't be the same person, but RB and GF can both be masons. So presumably a GF could elect to be seen as a mason, and actually be a mason. Dunno why they would do that though when you could give a goon mason and make him essentially a GF as well as far as the DT is concerned. that's exactly what I was talking about. Unless Mafia screws up big time and gives the Mason to the RB (or to the GF for the same reason) a mafia mason is essentially indistinguishable from a town mason. Therefore checking into masons isn't a smart move. It's possible that they gave the mason role to their GF but really unlikely. Why would say do that instead of giving it to a good goon of theirs. Anyways I'm going to bed now, see you tomorrow hopefully :3 + Show Spoiler + I added "hopefully" only for Radfield in case he's obsing | ||
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That being said I'm going straight back to my parents place and visiting my sis once I'm done churning out my brain, so probably won't have that much time to post something the first 24hours. If someone protected sloOsh and he got doublestacked = good job If they shot Grush + sloOsh (why would they) = you suck medics That's why I usually like vigs to claim their hit but whatever. Mr. 95% mafia (prplhz) and Mr. Grush both dead, and both town so far. WBG your strongest townread so far? I think we should just do this the other way around. | ||
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On August 06 2012 18:53 strongandbig wrote: So I read the pm logs. (Two small corrections for wbg - 1. I claimed vanilla with trudy campbell, not talismania. 2. If you really can't see why I find your play scummy up to the point where you and erandorr started pissing on each other, and if you still think it has anything at all to do with whether or not outing the masons was a good idea, then you must have even bigger irl problems than I thought because I know you're not that stupid.) Anyway, I read the pm logs, and I can't figure out what in there made you think wbg is town. Care to enlighten me? @Talismania, yeahhh... I think there are good reasons to be suspicious of you but I don't think VE picked them. I might be willing to lynch him today. Talismania why didn't you post your terrible plan this game? Also bugs what about when toad says if prplh flipped town we should be killing you or talismania because of it? How is that different? The difference is that I said "Either WBG or Prplhz has to be mafia, maybe even both [given my other assumptions are correct]". The thing is that I'm not trusting my other assumptions as much anymore after seeing prplhz flip green and I would have loved to get confirmation on those. I had both sloOsh and grush down as town (grush only slightly to be honest) but those two were not involved in anything that could give me information on someone else. That's why I said I wouldn't mind any of the vets being shot. I think both Eran and VE are town and I still think WBG is mafia. Seeing Eran or VE flip green however would have proven those basic assumptions to be true, making it way easier to push bugs. Sure we would have lost a green vet but I don't mind a 1v1 trade (technically a 1v2 because of prplhz I guess) and the certainty to know what's going on if that's what're getting. Again, I really don't like how bugs is going after some random dude today. Sure he has a point with what he's saying but the guy's called "Xsebt" and not Syllo, Bugs, foolishness or whoever you want. I'm just not into trusting a lynch based on a single quote that might as well just be a noob-sign if I don't know the guy. Sure let's keep on checking that guy and if multiple things like that happen I'm all up for lynching him but right now? No way. I'd like to see some more focus from Bugs today. And I especially want him to tell us something about people he consideres to be stable / or readable. The thing about noobs is that when they flip there's always a chance that the host suddenly decides to spin a wheel to decide which alignment the noob has instead of showing the real alignment. At least that's what it feels like to me. People make the most stupid kinds of mistakes, especially new guys and it's incredible easy to just go after new guys and point out "well that's bad" or "what he says is bullshit" because new guys do A LOT of mistakes, no matter of alignment. Because next thing to say after seeing them flip is: "well shit, dude was a noob and he fucked up big time. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW HE'S SO BAD?" And I hopefilly nailed LA, see you later :3 | ||
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On August 06 2012 19:33 talismania wrote: Toad whatcha make of my case on VE? And why do you think he's town? I kinda agree with you on wbg. I have a twisted hunch that wbg is just trying to see how much stuff he can get away with as scum. The case on xsebt was far too facile and seemed subpar. haven't read it yet, or at least not carefully enough to talk about it. I got back to my place like an hour ago and I'm relaxing after my exam. Just got in here quickly checking things out and posted something I considered somewhat important. I don't really mind the case itself on Xsebt because the point he makes is true. It's just that it's a new guy again and like the last time he posted something that's based on one post that has something bad in it or is somehow supposed to definitly show what's going on in this guys head. You usually can do that kind of thing with vets, if they screw up like that I'm all up for lynching them. That's what I'm referring to when I said "people you consider to be stable". You can't do that with new guys because judging WHY someone did something (specific) is almost impossible if you have to include people making mistakes A LOT as well. When talking about new guys you usually want to get A LOT of data. You try to point out what is good or wrong with each point of data, put it all in a box, shake it a little and in the end you look at what kind of stuff in there is more often in there than it should be on average. That's why I pressed so much on that case about grush and glasse because you can't do a thing like that. He's doing the same thing again and bugs should know better than this. That's why I want him to talk about people he consideres to be "stable" because we want to find mafia, not people who are doing mistakes. If that were the goal I'd be posting nonstop. Just look at the very bottom of the log with Eran. Eran rightfully points out that jinglehell is kinda weird, that some of his posts have some issues and I end up saying that I had him down as dopey townie so far. | ||
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On August 07 2012 19:54 Lazermonkey wrote: Toad, what do you think about VE? or anyone else who you suspect to be scum for that matter? I consider it highly unlikely that two out of VE, WBG and Eran are mafia right now. That being said I still consider WBG the scummiest out of those 3 which makes both VE and Eran town besided having a null-read on VE and a town read on Eran so far myself. So unless we're lynching WBG I'm not willing to lynch into a vet today. | ||
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On August 07 2012 20:18 Lazermonkey wrote: It doesn't seem very unlikely with a WBG lynch atm so who do you want to lynch then? Because my impression of this post is that you have other scum reads than WBG atm. Also why a null tell on VE? Do you not agree with the suspicion on him? I did do some research on one of his older games(Mini mafia II, he played townie). While he was whish washy which eventually got him lynched D2, his reads were very good. Out of the 4 people he suspected at the end that day, 3 of them were scum. He was basing his reads on whether or not someone seemed scummy, rather than if their logic was flawed. The problem with Town-VE is that he usually has the same problems I have. He either has really good games or he's completly horrible. There's pretty much nothing inbetween(of course there is, but it seems like that because they're so extreme) and those really good games aren't the majority of his games either. The game you linked (didn't know about it) apparently was one of his good games. The one he played SK was incredibly good, probably one of the best games I've seen from a not-mafia. And than on the other side he has those incredible derpage-games "Herpaderpa I'ma going to fakeclaim JoaT as VT on d1 to make sure I win the election, although it should be obvious that I'm no JoaT because I claimed something wrong, so everyone will know I lied but has no idea why". Those are games he turns out to be town a well. But I've still got to admit I haven't read everything in detail so far. Got to check the big posts again and see what they're about. Just posted to give a little update from my pov and tell people I'm back^^ | ||
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On August 07 2012 20:45 Lazermonkey wrote: Whaaat? Hassy, the guy with 4 posts on his neck? The only thing he posted of substance is his flawed read and vote on WBG. I agree with that this is not a town move but he has posted far to little for me to determine whether those posts are becuause he is scum or because he isn't playing well. I was masoned with him and he was talkign with me a lot. So I know he did that on purpose for some reason. Just check out the timesstamps of our logs. He may have missed the first day because he only masoned me on the 2nd day of the game but he still was talking a lot in sykpe. I don't know if that stuff had a lot of thought behind it but he definitly had his opinions on things that were going on. Remember the prplhz lynch yesterday? When I told him that prplhz said he really meant what he said about glasse he instantly said "WAT? I thought that was a joke" or something along those lines. So he at least thought things through and evalutated wether or not some people are still trolling around or already posting something with actual content, which is something that is beyond "just reading the thread". He could have easily posted something, in fact when he did I pushed him into posting, but he chose not to for some reason and I consider that weird. Combine that with what I said about the logs when I posted them and I consider him scummy. But I agree, it's a weak read. | ||
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On August 08 2012 01:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Talis we're done in PMs - I've wasted enough time in PMs and now people think I'm scum for it. No longer. what do you think about Talis and what he posted in PMs? Who would you want to lynch if we were not to lynch into vets? | ||
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WBG says: He thinks VE is green He thinks Eran is green He thinks Toad is a null. Given how he never mentioned me once in the game and how he suddenly said he thinks Prplhz is mafia I'd actually lean on him judging me as Toad but that's just a guess. He thought Prplhz was 95% red, in a very opportunistic way, without even mentioning him once in the thread. VE says: He thinks WBG is green He thinks Eran is red. He thinks Toad is a null. He thought Prplhz was red. Eran says: He thinks WBG is red He thinks VE is weird, but maybe slightly leaning town? (not sure on that one) He thinks Toad is green. He thought Prplhz is red. Both Eran and VE look way better given their reads. They are actively searching for people and suspecting people. I don't necessarily agree with everything they say or do, as mentioned VE has his weirds moment I considered to be suspicious, but they're trying to find "stuff". WBG on the other hand does nothing except for popping out 2 townreads on VE and Eran, something WBG usually doesn't like doing (talking about townreads) as far as I recall. Here's my little Mafia-101: Tell people about some townreads you've got. They're easy to do, you'll be right and people will consider you to be awesome, because you're right. Also you can later on say "lookylooky, I was defending him and he flipped town. Why should I do that as mafia?". As long as you're fine talking about townreads, talk about townreads only mention mafiareads when you have to. I see that happening with WBG. WBG focuses on single posts done by new guys, pointing out why they're wrong or why they've got issues, which is all nice and dandy but as mentioned, newbs do mistakes, no matter of alignment so you really want to include a lot of data in your analysis when talking about newbs, so that you can make out what's the most likely scenario, rather than just talking about one post. Telling people Newb-X is mafia because of one post is pretty much impossible to do unless they screw up big time. If that would have happened, everyone else would have realized it as well. WBG never mentioned Prplhz once in the thread. I know eran did because we were masoned and eran considered prplhz to be scummy way before we were actually switching. WBG however gets in here, tells people prplhz is 95% sure mafia, without giving an explanation, without ever mentioning him and disappears afterwards. Got to admit, haven't read the log between VE and WBG yet, so maybe there's something in there. If that's the case the other points still hold true. Summary: I really don't like how wbg keeps being non commited. He never had a "real" scumread. Yes he said grush is mafia, but as mentioned that was a horrible 1-quote-case when talking about a new guy. Yes apparently thought Prplhz was mafia but he never said so or explained why. Everything he did so far is slinging mud at Eran (and the other way around, but Eran DID something else in this game) and giving away some random townreads which have nothing to do with what want to do early on in a game, because they're so incredible easy to do for mafia and if everyone started talking about townreads it would be incredible easy for mafia to blend in by just posting some random townreads while mixing in some of their buddies every now and than. Both VE and Eran have their issues, but all together they're both looking WAY more townish than WBG. They're not scared to be wrong and called people mafia d1 (VE vs eran+prplhz / Eran vs wbg+prplhz) while WBG is completly doding that part of the game for some reason. He's either scared to be wrong or he can't even find a single thing that might be considered scummy. Both things are incredible mafia traits. First thing because they KNOW they are wrong in the first play, while townies think they're right. Second thing because mafias KNOW their target is not mafia, so they naturally look at thigns with confirmation bias while townies look at things neutraly. If we have to lynch into vets I'm willing to lynch WBG as I don't think mafia has 2 vets in a 5 vet-game with mafia having 2 KP 4 games in a row now that we've got a ML on d1. | ||
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On August 08 2012 02:26 Toadesstern wrote: The big issue I've got right now is this, from my point of view: WBG says: He thinks VE is green He thinks Eran is green He thinks Toad is a null. Given how he never mentioned me once in the game and how he suddenly said he thinks Prplhz is mafia I'd actually lean on him judging me as Toad but that's just a guess. He thought Prplhz was 95% red, in a very opportunistic way, without even mentioning him once in the thread. VE says: He thinks WBG is green He thinks Eran is red. He thinks Toad is a null. He thought Prplhz was red. Eran says: He thinks WBG is red He thinks VE is weird, but maybe slightly leaning town? (not sure on that one) He thinks Toad is green. He thought Prplhz is red. Both Eran and VE look way better given their reads. They are actively searching for people and suspecting people. I don't necessarily agree with everything they say or do, as mentioned VE has his weird moments I considered to be suspicious, but they're trying to find "stuff". WBG on the other hand does nothing except for popping out 2 townreads on VE and Eran, something WBG usually doesn't like doing i I recall correctly. Here's my little Mafia-101: Tell people about some townreads you've got. They're easy to do, you'll be right and people will consider you to be awesome, because you're right. Also you can later on say "lookylooky, I was defending him and he flipped town. Why should I do that as mafia?". As long as you're fine talking about townreads, talk about townreads only mention mafiareads when you have to. I see that happening with WBG. WBG focuses on single posts done by new guys, pointing out why they're wrong or why they've got issues, which is all nice and dandy but as mentioned, newbs do mistakes, no matter of alignment. You really want to include a lot of data in your analysis when talking about newbs, so that you can make out what's the most likely scenario, rather than just talking about one post. Telling people Newb-X is mafia because of one post is pretty much impossible to do unless they screw up big time. If that would had happened, everyone else would have realized it as well. [Annotation: I suck at making if-sentences in english, so no idea if that is proper english... why can't it just be like in german "if X would be X, then Y would be Y" all the way...] WBG never mentioned Prplhz once in the thread until he had to, to avoid the lynch. I know eran did because we were masoned and eran considered prplhz to be scummy way before we were actually switching and he openly attacked prplhz in the thread as well. WBG however gets in here once he realizes that he's going to be lynched, checks out who else is a target, realizes VE, eran and mysel were all talking about prplhz, tells people prplhz is 95% sure mafia, without giving an explanation, without ever mentioning him and disappears afterwards. Got to admit, haven't read the log between VE and WBG yet, so maybe there's something in there. If that's the case the other points still hold true. Summary: I really don't like how wbg keeps being non commited. He never had a "real" scumread. Yes he said grush is mafia, but as mentioned that was a horrible 1-quote-case when talking about a new guy. Yes apparently thought Prplhz was mafia but he never said so or explained why. Everything he did so far is slinging mud at Eran (and the other way around, but Eran DID something else in this game) and giving away some random townreads which have nothing to do with what want to do early on in a game. Townreads are so incredible easy to do for mafia and if everyone started talking about townreads it would be incredible easy for mafia to blend in by just posting some random townreads while mixing in some of their buddies every now and than. Both VE and Eran have their issues, but all together they're both looking WAY more townish than WBG. They're not scared to be wrong and called people mafia d1 (VE vs eran+prplhz / Eran vs wbg+prplhz) while WBG is completly doding that part of the game for some reason. He's either scared to be wrong or he can't even find a single thing that might be considered scummy. Both things are incredible mafia traits. First thing because they KNOW they are wrong in the first play, while townies think they're right. Second thing because mafias KNOW their target is not mafia, so they naturally look at thigns with confirmation bias while townies look at things neutraly. If we have to lynch into vets I'm willing to lynch WBG as I don't think mafia has 2 vets in a 5 vet-game with mafia having 2 KP 4 nights in a row now that we've got a ML on d1. | ||
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On August 08 2012 02:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad can you be convinced to vote for Erandorr? I think that's the only way I live this day. I intend to make a case on the guy, but your post reads like at least you don't need much convincing. don't know if that's supposed to be a compliment or an insult I'd love to lynch someone who's not a vet today but noone else seems to like that idea due to the amazing mass of lurkers that are all somewhat alike, so getting a specific lynch on one of the not-vets will always feel a little like random lynching right now. | ||
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People have been telling him that VE needs to change his attitude as town in his most recent games a lot. I obviously haven't been in every game with him but those I saw people considered him to be a good policy lynch in he sticks with that attitude. So really, his meta being off is something I'd consider to be a towntrait. If he were mafia he had all the reasoning there is to just to the same kind of stupid moves he did the last couple of games. Saying you don't have an opinion is obviously an exaggeration but I would have said the exact same thing lol. You ARE asking questions nonstop and only rarely posting reads inbetween. No I don't count townreads as reads. If he were mafia he could as well want the GF role instead of the mason. He's usually someone who surives very long as mafia. The only thing that I consider to be true is that his bugs-mason was weird. | ||
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As I see it it's something like 70:30 or 80:20 in favor for WBG being mafia. If he's town Eran is mafia. If Eran flips we're either going to get a townflip which results in WBG being mafia. Or we're going to get a mafiaflip and just dodged a bullet. Feels like a mislynch on purpose to shove Eran's, green, dead head into all the other peoples faces to make them realize WBG is mafia. Or of cours the other way around if Eran really flips red and WBG somehow is green besides being the scummiest person in the thread. If that's what it needs to make the side that's being wrong reaize they're wrong I'm up for that. | ||
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On August 08 2012 03:24 talismania wrote: How is this a town attitude, toad? He writes this, but do you see it in the logs? He asked me about erandorr, I responded. I asked him about zephirdd after he brought zephirdd's name up... and nothing. If he had asked what I thought about zeph I would have gladly answered. He only showed interest in picking my brain about erandorr. The "people" I asked about? I only asked about one, and he never answered. I asked a grand total of two questions of him in PMs as they "dragged on". do you think he'd do a shitton of exaggerations like the one you just pointed out and when he said that you never pot reads or do you think it's more likely that he's pissed for some reason? Maybe he thinks you're mafia and talking with you is pointless. Maybe he is pissed for some reason but I don't really see him doing that as mafia. I'd say he's more careful than that as mafia. Last time I lynched into VE was because I considered he was awfully NOT-weird and I didn't think he's able to controle himself like that when being town and therefore concluded he had to be mafia simply because I thought he was forced to controlling himself like that due to his alignment. The lynch itself failed horribly but I'm still sticking with the reasoning the other way around so far. Of course I don't want to give him a free pass to do whatever he wants but he's VE and VE is ALWAYS weird. | ||
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Too lazy to check what the votecount is right now 8( | ||
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On August 08 2012 04:21 wherebugsgo wrote: Yeah dunno why I'm bothering to play right now if the response I get to that post is a fucking vote on me. You can have fun with the 10 lurkers in this game who are likely to be shielding at least half the scum. Town is fucked. come on. Your post is basicly: "I have no idea what's going on. I had a read on VE early on but I'm back to a null. Oh and Eran is town. Oh and Toad is a null. Xsebit might still be mafia due to the tone of his posts but he hasn't posted ever since, so I'm not sure on that one anymore. I want to switch the vote but I have no idea who to vote" Is it possible to be less committed to anything than having that post of yours? It's like you're already preparing your big "TOLD YA" if Eran or VE are going to flip, no matter what they flip lol. | ||
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On August 08 2012 04:27 Toadesstern wrote: come on. Your post is basicly: "I have no idea what's going on. I had a read on VE early on but I'm back to a null. Oh and Eran is town. Oh and Toad is a null. Xsebit might still be mafia due to the tone of his posts but he hasn't posted ever since, so I'm not sure on that one anymore. I want to switch the vote but I have no idea who to vote" Is it possible to be less committed to anything than having that post of yours? It's like you're already preparing your big "TOLD YA" if Eran or VE are going to flip, no matter what they flip lol. Just to get this clear: If you somehow end up being town, do something. Make a REAL case on someone or at least explain a scumread of yours. And no I'm not taking something as generic as the grush-case as an explanation if you're targeting newbs again. You're WBG, you should have no problem at all making at least one case or give an explanation around this time. | ||
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On August 08 2012 04:36 wherebugsgo wrote: Man there's no cases to make WHEN HALF THE PLAYERS HAVE NO POSTS. Why bother killing an active person when just by being active they're more pro town than most everyone else? I wouldn't consider you that active either. And I already said I'd rather not lynch into vets today and instead prefere a Hassy / broodking / Zentor / bioSC / synystyr / zephirdd lynch but noone else seems to agree with that | ||
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On August 08 2012 04:40 strongandbig wrote: I'll lynch hassy if we can get people for it Other than that I'm voting VE today we can't just lynch into a group of six people. my worry is that having such a big group of lynch targets makes it too easy for scum to get the lynch off of the real scum and onto the shitty townies. i will change my mind if someone can give me a case on why one of them is different from the others but tbh the only real way these games can not be lost by town inactivity is if there's a bigger post requirement that's enforced with modkills or if town has vigis. Exactly. It would be incredible bad, so we need cases on them to figure out who's really the best target instead of just lynching into one of them. Unless that happens people will want to lynch into either WBG / Eran / VE because they at least got some posts and people are committing when voting them. Someone voting for someone like hier (for example) basicly says "fuck you guys. You're not going to read me!" | ||
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On August 08 2012 04:48 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't consider myself active at all. I've already explained why I'm not going to be as active as I am normally. Awesome. Let's lynch into lurkers starting with you instead of just hitting randomly one guy out the mass of lurkers. | ||
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On August 08 2012 05:36 wherebugsgo wrote: I take what I just said back. I don't like the synystr case. I don't think talismania is a good target to sheep. Sloosh is much better. do you take it back because talis is the one who did although you agreed with it in the first place or are you saying you take it back beceause you didn't read it in the first place, but needed to say something and now that you've read it you realize that town-WBG wouldn't sheep that? Or was it simply a "guys, sloOsh flipped green, he said he doesn't want to lynch me ergo am I town" statement for the sake of stating that you are town? | ||
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why did you change your mind:
Pick one or explain why you thought it's decent at first and later on changed your mind. | ||
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On August 08 2012 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Because it's not possible that he goes through and reads syn's posts himself and comes to a different conclusion, right Toad? -.- Like, you conveniently left that off your list of possibilities, which given the timing and complete 180 I'd say is THE MOST likely scenario. Why do you assume those three scum-motivated responses are the only three that are possible? considering how he's not explaining a thing, not just this time but every time he's posting I'd consider him not reading / re-reading the thread at all and just messing up more likely than him actually doing something. That's also in line with the rage-quote. All that I keep asking is to have something to read from him instead of just some one- or two-liners from how how I am unreadable, how you are unreadble (but that might be wrong), how eran is town and how someone else is mafia based on a single post when he's probably in one of his first games. An explanation as to why he thinks the way he does or why he changes his mind would be perfectly fine, but he refuses to do so. | ||
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Now that I'm shoving your dead head in your faces, are you finally willing to lynch scum in WBG? | ||
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On August 08 2012 18:00 strongandbig wrote: oops lol no idea why that last picture is in there twice. Anyway we have the newest episode of the classic beloved sitcom, The Masons VisceraEyes Erandorr Toadesstern JingleHell Grush Hassybaby I now think it's extremely likely that two scum are in this group and that they're between Toad, VE and Hassybaby - those three are the people who would conceivably be given the role by the scum team. Hassybaby hasn't voted and there already was a warning so IMO he deserves to be modkilled, especially if he's scum since we have already had a townie get modkilled. So to sum up: I think we should lynch VE. That's the full version. You're welcome. Actually the green tag on jinglehell is a complete out of nowhere guess but I highly doubt mafia would give a mason role to someone like him unless he's a smurf lol. | ||
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On August 08 2012 19:59 Toadesstern wrote: Oh Eran flipped green? Who would have thought that. Now that I'm shoving his dead head in your faces, are you finally willing to lynch scum WBG? back in an hour :3 | ||
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On August 08 2012 21:02 s0Lstice wrote: Actually my dear toad, I think we should be lynching you tomorrow. More on that later though. Yeah because everyone who flipped so far said I'm probably town. And everyone who flipped so far said that bugs is mafia. SAFE BUGS AND LYNCH TOAD. | ||
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VE might be worthy of a protection as well but than again I guess mafia won't shoot him, because the plan has to be to either bus WBG tomorrow or try to get people on VE and thus safe WBG from lynch a third time in a row. If VE flips green because mafia shot him there will be (rightfully) no stopping a WBG-lynch anymore, which is the reason I don't think he'll get shot but who knows. If I flip green people might still consider lynching into VE instead of WBG for some horsecrap reasons. So please don't let that happen, thx. | ||
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You're still on the mafia radar of most people, for a reason. | ||
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On August 09 2012 02:15 talismania wrote: btw toad who do you think the other three scum are? aside from hassy and wbg I mean. I'm one of the guys who's most likely dead by tomorrow imo. I'd rather keep that to myself until later | ||
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On August 09 2012 02:21 talismania wrote: @toad but definitely at deadline, yes? probably way earlier. I'm not going to stay up until 4am | ||
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On August 09 2012 04:00 Lazermonkey wrote: How do you know they are town_ Dropula is probebly a bad shot, as he is most likely town. However I feel both Glasse and Zentor have a decent chance of flipping scum. And IF they are scum, we need to lynch them sooner or later anyways. However, I think the best shot atm would be VE or Hassy as even though one of them flips town it would almost guarante that the other one is scum. Jingle is probebly not scum, partly because I feel it's unlikely that scum would let him have that role, partly because of his activity in the mason logs. Toad feels town, at least for now. So the only real possibility where both VE and Hassy could be town(assuming Jingle is town here) is if scum only got 1 mason and that mason is Toad. But this is a stretch. The thing is, that I'm not going to say VE looks incredible good, because he does not. However we've got Hassy, VE and WBG to think about right now. Yeah I know, don't talk about connections until you see them flip beause there's nothing 100% proven in Mafia until someone flips, but screw that. We can't let people shoot something without thinking for a second with 2 mislynches so far. Think about those 3 people. I think we've got 2 mafias in there. 3 would be possible as well as is 1 but assuming all 3 are mafias is reeeeeally stretching our luck. Even if all 3 are really mafia, I don't care, I still want to lynch the one that makes the most sense as mafia first to be safe, because why not? Hassy, VE, WBG makes way more sense than Hassy, VE, WBG imo and it (the first one) also makes way more sense than Hassy, VE, WBG WBG is the by far scummiest player in this game and somehow people considered Eran and VE to be a good lynch yesterday. Even if you ignore everything that has been said about WBG and why he is mafia you have to look at the whole game and realize that WBG being town just makes less sense than VE being town. I'm not saying it's impossible the other way around but WBG is the by far better chance even if you completly forget about everything that has been posted so far. If hassy somehow flips green before tomorrow (modkill?) I am willing to consider something else and it's probably both VE and WBG but unless that's going to happen I'm assuming it's only one of them to not stretch our luck and just lynch the one who's scummier out of those two. | ||
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On August 09 2012 06:04 talismania wrote: Toad it's probably getting close to your bedtime there if you're feeling like posting those extra suspects. got it pre-written and I'm tired It's nothing special and no case or something like that but I'm still waiting for something. | ||
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Okay a couple of issues:
If I had to make a list right now I'd say it's
reads getting weaker from top to bottom and the "X or Y" and "one out of XYZ" is due to balance or some "connections" I picture that I'm not able to put into words, but that might be total bullshit. Like if Talis is actually mafia I'd say solstice makes more sense than Zephirdd. If Talis is town I'd rather lynch into Zeph but we can't afford to lynch talis first. Or look at Xsebt: He called talis and solstice mafia recently and WBG (i think? too lazy and tired to check) called HIM mafia as well, so what that's supposed to mean is up for discussion as well. All in all I don't see much difference in scuminess within all those white and yellow reads I got. In general I'd consider solstice being mafia and Talis not being mafia a little bit more likely though, however no idea why. That being said I was really busy this 2nd cycle. I had my last exam about 36hours ago. I got the news that I'm now an uncle about 26 hours ago and I was visiting my sis and my new niece today (only 15 mins by car, don't picture a huge journey through half germany) but all those things happening during the same cycle was really unfortunate and I wasn't able to look into my minor reads as much as I wanted to or I could have made them way more precise. I spend the time that I had on relaxing and looking into my major reads mostly so I'm not sure about the weak reads at all, which is the reason for them being so vague. Everything below solstice or perhaps hier is kinda random and only a "what would I say if I had to say something"-scenario. Considering that I'm likely to die tonight I'm posting it nevertheless. That being said: Anyone not voting WBG tomorrow is considered a mafia to me, if I'm still alive. Lynch them after lynching WBG or after WBG+Hassy are lynched if I'm dead tomorrow It's just storm mafia all over again and people are doing what WBG want's them to do for some weird reason I can't understand | ||
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On August 09 2012 06:34 strongandbig wrote: logs with erandorr: + Show Spoiler + Well this morning I actually was pretty close to giving up. Just the fact that everyone else is letting him get away with these posts he made after returning from a day of afk, ocnveniently not having to commit to a vote an then posting what he did. And both of his 95 percent scumreads flipping town if you noticed that(although I agreed with the prplhz lynch as well ). I do , however agree with you that we cannot really go after him right now. Not with this town. Honestly, there are so many people I have issues with. Could you first of all give me an outside perspective on VE, especially his case against me? It is completely terrible, but can you see it from a town perspective? As you and me pointed out, there was nothing in the pms that clearly indicates that VE thought bugs was town. His play this game is just weird to me, I really do not know what ot make of him. Would you mind giving me an outside perspective on something? Before the lynch, Scum could be certain that prplhz would get lynched. And let's just assume for a second that WBG is scum. This makes me really weary of the "cases" that popped up vs me(jingles and broodking especially). They are in my opinion a cop out. As scum you do not want to go vs WBG in that situation ( again I am just assuming he is scum and even if he were town, from a scum perspective it actually would make sense to let him live, even if that is a bit ballsy.) And with prplhz basicly guaranteed to get lynched no matter what, it is benificial to avoid the bandwagon if possible. The reason I ask this is because I got extremely upset and need some other perspective :D I will need to reread quite a few people and will then give my thoughts on that. Original Message From strongandbig: hey communication is great but i'm at work so TL PMs is best I can do until I leave then I can skype IM, i'll pm you my skype info when i get back what about the thread, who do you think we should kill? Like I said in my big post, I'm giving wbg the day off because it seems like doing otherwise would just screw up the thread. I think talismania's post about VE is pretty decent but I'm worried because it seems to focus so much on ve's interactions with talismania. I also just get a scum feeling from talismania, but I'm not sure why. I think we maybe should kill Glasse or BioSC today, they seem pretty scummy to me and I'm a little hesitant to kill off another vet unless I see a really good case; otoh, scum vets are more dangerous than scum noobs and I'm never really sure how to resolve that conundrum. Hide nested quote - Original Message From Erandorr: any way you would like to communicate (if at all :D ) I thought we were gonna wait a day or two on wbg Vote VE, there's a chance the thread might get behind it. Original Message From Erandorr: yup. ve is scum too. At least we get that information for free. Hide nested quote - Original Message From strongandbig: finals could be now if he has summer classes Original Message From Erandorr: i think ve and wbg are scumbuddies right now. I honestly dont give a fuck anymore. look at the logs between them. VE said he would shout at wbg in a pm. look at the lgos reflecting that... Ve said he is convinced wbg is town from pms. from what? It all doesnt make fucking sense. Mason thing makes only really sense as a mafia gambit, even though i dont think it would be good. also random question but maybe important. when are finals in the US universities? WBg claimed he has finals soon , and he probably does, but its still something i would like to check since im german and he can tell me everyhting also he has not mentioned it anywhere else Original Message From strongandbig: okay so tell me if this makes sense (1) grush makes no sense at all as a scum target. There's no way he was a blue snipe - seriously, what in his filter could make him look blue. (2) therefore unless someone claims a hit, scum probably double stacked sloosh (3) why would they do that given that wbg and VE are in the game (and if both of them are scum then double imba)? (4) because they were worried a medic would be on him -> why would they think that? -> talismania wifomed them into it -> talismania is town Original Message From Erandorr: yup. honestly, nothing more to say than "yeah" Original Message From strongandbig: Original Message From Erandorr: Yeah, look at Jingles last post in the thread. Its incorrect, I agreed with lynching prplhz but I in no way lead the lynch. I maintained that I wanted to lynch wbg. Filtering I can still see him being retarded townie, but it honestly becomes less likely with every post. Really bad players actually do think that you have to defend yourself against cases that I would see on the same level as "he ate a bagel for breakfast, thus he must be scum" I could still see him being that bad. God this game is frustrating Is it just me or is this logic from synystyr's most recent post really stupid? On August 05 2012 10:27 talismania wrote: Medics protect sloosh tonight. If I were mafia I would kill him. He's always Captain America with the town, gathering votes together, keeping things on track. He's active and has generally solid analysis. Plus he's on me, so him dying makes it easy to push my lynch, and then boom two active townies are down the drain. So protect him. He pushes this action to confuse town. If Sloosh dies in the night, it gives Talis tons of town cred because he said that medics should protect Sloosh. A little reverse psychology action too by claiming he would kill Sloosh if he were mafia. A hit on Sloosh appears to be be only negative for him and thus making him look innocent by association. On August 09 2012 06:39 strongandbig wrote: TL PM's with toad: + Show Spoiler + fine with me Original Message From strongandbig: yeah I don't usually get back from work until like 9 Hide nested quote - Original Message From Toadesstern: Ok am back. I'm Toadesstern on Skype. What's your ID? If you're working right now just hit me once you've got time. I've got nothing left to do today other than nerding so I've got nonstop time. Original Message From strongandbig: okay! I actually meant during the night phase of the game, not during the actual night time of the day :/ Original Message From Toadesstern: just a little heads-up: I'm at my parents place right now, my mom told me that she's going to be home around 15:30 CEST (+02:00) and once she's here we're going to my sisters, so I'm probably not available during 15:30 CEST (+02:00) and something like 18:00 CEST (+02:00). After that I should be completly free, I'm done with my exams and could stay up really long because I'm just relaxing now anyways Original Message From strongandbig: can we talk during the night? Original Message From Toadesstern: Okay a few things: 1) Erandorr masoned you as well? Do me a favor and tell him "Copy the last line I wrote in skype yesterday, give that line to s&b, and he pm's it to me. No translation, just the straight up german line I wrote". Or even better, give him my german version of this to make sure he knows you're not faking him either, just copy & paste + Show Spoiler [german] + Why? Just to be sure this is no fake If you're able to do that, that would actually boost my confidence in a lot of my reads lol. So yeah I have no problem with you telling him I masoned you. I however don't think you should tell the thread just yet. 2) Yeah I agree on Talis. There's some things I don't like about him but pushing those weird plans is not alignment indicating at all. The amount of "effort" he's putting in this game however made me reconsider a bit. He wasn't that much talkactive when we both played mafia in PYPoison. He's strange alright but he usually enjoys the "trying to understand the game" way more than "trying to figure out mafia"either way, so that's normal. 3) I disagree with VE however. I just don't think they've got two mafia vets in a game with 2 KP for 3 (with our mislynch 4) nights straight when we only got like 4, 5 or 6 in the game. The number of vets depends on who the smurf is but that's besides the point. For me it's EITHER Eran OR VE OR WBG but not multiple people out of that list. I got a townread on Eran and my scumread on WBG is stronger than the various different reads I got on VE. I get why people think he's scummy, but again I'm assuming there's only one mafia vet which makes him town to me right now. 4) Yeah I get what you're talking about when talking about the more unknows players we could lynch. Just feels like lynching into an unknown entitiy that's build up by a bunch of faceless guys. They're all somewhat scummy but not really that much simplpy because there's so little to analyze. Feels like randomly choosing a lurker if we want to lynch into that entity. Original Message From strongandbig: I don't think trying to lynch wbg today is a good idea for town atmosphere. Like I said yesterday, if he doesn't start catching scum soon I will try to lynch him again day 3. Erandorr also mason'd me. I think that is a null tell because if he's really frustrated town he would mason the person who agrees with him to try and figure out the opposition; if he's scum he might mason me since I agree with him and am more likely to be persuaded he's town. I plan on also telling erandorr you mason'ed me, just fyi, but idk about if it matters to tell the thread. Anyway I think erandorr's town for a few reasons. (1) if he's scum and wbg is town, his wbg fight makes no sense - who in their right mind would go and say "okay my plan as scum this game is to get into a pissing contest with the best town player bwahaha!" (2) if they're both scum it makes no sense, it brought so much attention onto them and would have to be the most terrible scum play ever; plus erandorr seems very honest about lynching wbg so i don't think they're scum buddies. (3) if wbg is town then his town read on erandorr can probably be trusted since it would have been such an easy omgus to make. That said, he's not one of my top four or five town reads by any means and I'm definitely willing to consider cases against him. I think VE is scum. Talismania's case on him was pretty much omgus but it was a very convincing omgus; ve's case on talismania is so terrible that it really does seem like cherry picking. I also think anyone who's played a game or two with talismania should know that his trying to get setup information and character name claims isn't alignment indicative, he always pushes some kind of plan like that as any alignment. I also think VE is scum beacuse for him to say he got a town read on wbg from their pms makes no sense at all to me. I just can't see it. He also didn't "go yell at wbg in pms" like he told the thread he was. In fact he barely talked to wbg about wbg's outing him at all. I don't know whether that makes wbg scum also, since ve could just be buddying him to try and get him to think he's town. I still think wbg is scum until proven otherwise, but not because of a VE-wbg connection theory. As for other people we could lynch, there's a frustrating number of people who are both lurking and doing so scummily. Broodking is clearly reading the thread but not posting, Glasse keeps popping in with pointless tidbits but not atually contributing to the thread, and I still think BioSC was scummy around the prplhz vote and hasn't cleared himself. The problem is that none of those three look much more scummy to me than the other, and I think the odds are small that they're all scum. That makes it dangerous to try and lynch one of them imo, since it'll be easy for the actual scum team to say "let's lynch that scummy lurker instead of this one" and get the heat off of the one who actually is scum. So I kind of agree with whoever it was (you or tali I think) who said you need a lot of data to have a good read of players like that. I kinda think we should be lynching VE today, but I could go for one of those scummy lurkers (nb: different from just general lurkers, there are some lurky noobs in this game that I really think are town) if someone presented a case that really differentiated them. The thing is if there's just a bandwagon on a random one I fear that it would be unlikely to hit scum. Original Message From Toadesstern: want to give me a basic idea of your thoughts right now? Not sure if I'm confident to lynch into VE / WBG / Eran today, so I'd rather lynch someone else. Original Message From strongandbig: hhhokay. Why me? I can only do TL PMs when I'm at work but I can try and skype IM or something tonight if you want, or TL PMs are good also Original Message From Toadesstern: Sup, we're masoned. Skype log with toad: + Show Spoiler + [9:28:41 PM] Toad: hey [9:28:49 PM] Strongandbig: hey [9:28:53 PM] Toad: why is it 21:28 in the us? [9:28:57 PM] Strongandbig: im just reading the last 20 or 30 posts [9:29:01 PM] Strongandbig: i'm in switzerland [9:29:06 PM] Toad: oooh you're the guy [9:29:07 PM] Strongandbig: yeah [9:29:10 PM] Toad: at cern? [9:29:11 PM] Toad: awesome :D [9:29:20 PM] Strongandbig: yeah [9:29:42 PM] Strongandbig: why does tali think that solstice will be a target [9:29:43 PM] Strongandbig: he's like [9:29:47 PM] Strongandbig: a super random guy who never posts [9:29:48 PM] Toad: i have no idea [9:29:51 PM] Strongandbig: even if his reads are correct [9:29:57 PM] Strongandbig: it'd be like blue sniping grush [9:29:58 PM] Strongandbig: useless [9:30:17 PM] Toad: i'd rather put him as vig target than as protection target lol [9:30:47 PM] Toad: same about talis although the effort he's putting in this game is making me feel unsure about it [9:30:58 PM] Strongandbig: so the thing about talis is [9:31:09 PM] Strongandbig: the grush shot would have been so ridiculously suboptimal of scum [9:31:17 PM] Toad: yeah [9:31:17 PM] Strongandbig: that i have trouble thinking they didn't double stack sloosh [9:31:27 PM] Toad: no way did mafia shoot grush [9:31:40 PM] Strongandbig: the only reason to do that instead of shooting sloosh and you or ve or wbg (whichever is / are town) [9:31:47 PM] Strongandbig: is if they thought a medic might be on him [9:31:51 PM] Strongandbig: which points towards tali being town [9:31:52 PM] Strongandbig: imo [9:32:02 PM] Strongandbig: i know wifom etc [9:32:15 PM] Strongandbig: but who holds an NK so they can wifom maybe having medic directed [9:32:24 PM] Toad: why does it point towards talis being town? [9:32:27 PM] Toad: I'm not getting the connection there [9:32:36 PM] Strongandbig: because imo if he hadn't been explaining why medics should be on sloosh [9:32:42 PM] Strongandbig: scum wouldn't have made that conclusoin [9:33:01 PM] Strongandbig: at least if i was scum and I knew that wbg/ve/toad etc were town i would have assumed the medic would have been on one of them [9:33:04 PM] Toad: I told people to protect myself and sloOsh and leave out VE / WBG / eran, maybe even myself as well [9:33:16 PM] Strongandbig: hmm okay [9:33:20 PM] Strongandbig: i guess i didnt remember that [9:33:28 PM] Strongandbig: anyway idk about tali; i thought he was scummy at first [9:33:42 PM] Strongandbig: but his points on ve actually made sense to me [9:33:48 PM] Strongandbig: that's when i started thinking maybe he was town [9:33:52 PM] Toad: yeah i thought he was scummy as well early on but I'm getting really bad feelings when thinking about lynching him [9:34:10 PM] Strongandbig: okay so here's the thing about bugs [9:34:28 PM] Strongandbig: i feel like throwing that kind of tantrum as a lie would have been just as bad as lying about having irl issues that kept you from posting [9:34:37 PM] Strongandbig: it's like, he actulaly even blamed his tantrum on irl issues [9:34:49 PM] Strongandbig: and i dont think he would lie about irl issues just to win a game [9:34:53 PM] Strongandbig: but other than that [9:34:58 PM] Strongandbig: everything he did screams scum [9:35:20 PM] Toad: well I never lie when talking about RL-stuff either, no matter if I'm town or mafia [9:35:24 PM] Strongandbig: yeah i agree [9:35:26 PM] Toad: but you can always make something up [9:35:51 PM] Toad: like I had my LA-exam two days ago , was busy but could have posted way more [9:35:58 PM] Strongandbig: okay so a different thing about ve [9:36:09 PM] Strongandbig: what in the heck in that pm chain would have made him think wbg was town [9:36:23 PM] Strongandbig: like, think it strongly enough to come out in the thread and try to redirect the d1 lynch [9:36:39 PM] Strongandbig: that just, i don't really buy it [9:36:53 PM] Toad: so you consider VE to be more scummy than wbg? [9:37:13 PM] Toad: I agree that VE looks weird and I don't really have him as town read but wbg just looks way worse [9:37:25 PM] Strongandbig: wbg looks terrible [9:37:30 PM] Strongandbig: but [9:37:31 PM] Strongandbig: umm [9:37:37 PM] Strongandbig: yeah so here's what it is [9:37:45 PM] Strongandbig: i've always been pretty impressed with wbg as a player on both sides [9:37:53 PM] Strongandbig: i think he's a pretty smart and perceptive person [9:38:11 PM] Strongandbig: and if his strategy as scum was to lie about having problems irl, risk a modkill, and fake ragequit [9:38:17 PM] Strongandbig: i would just be so disappointed in TL mafia [9:38:23 PM] Strongandbig: so i want that to not be true [9:38:41 PM] Toad: i don't think he knew about the not voting himself [9:38:59 PM] Toad: so I don't really consider that part at all [9:39:33 PM] Toad: I do think exaggerating RL-issues and rage-quitting could be a strategy as well [9:39:43 PM] Toad: and it just feels awfully like storm mafia [9:39:50 PM] Strongandbig: i didn't play storm mafia [9:40:16 PM] Toad: I called him mafia d1 and d2 all time and somehow he managed to manipulate people for 3 days in a row to lynch who HE wanted to lynch if people posted a list [9:40:41 PM] Strongandbig: oh right that was the game he was talking about in the mafia theory quote of his i posted d1 [9:40:46 PM] Toad: like we had a list with 4 people d2, 3 of them being mafia, bugs gets in there "yeah I'd be happy to lynch *townie*" and everyone is okay with it although WBG was on the list himself [9:41:12 PM] Toad: it's just the same thing over again [9:41:36 PM] Toad: I said I'd be happy to lynch prplhz or bugs d1, bugs says prplhz is 95% mafia and we do that [9:41:57 PM] Toad: d2 somehow ended up being a eran lynch which was the most retarded thing I've ever seen [9:42:14 PM] Toad: and now some guy said he wants to lynch me instead of bugs lol [9:42:55 PM] Strongandbig: well to be fair you do keep excluding yourself from the "mason balance" list thing, remember how you said one of the vet masons had to be scum? [9:42:58 PM] Toad: lol it was s0lstice who said that [9:43:03 PM] Strongandbig: and you thought it was errandor or ve [9:43:04 PM] Toad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=57#1124 [9:43:10 PM] Strongandbig: but you are also a vet mason [9:43:22 PM] Strongandbig: i mean, that does remind me of what you did in mtg mafia right? [9:43:31 PM] Toad: nah I never said a vet has to be mafia, did I ? [9:43:40 PM] Strongandbig: oh right not a vet mason [9:43:43 PM] Strongandbig: just a vet in general [9:43:51 PM] Strongandbig: i was the one who thought mafia would have made a vet their mason [9:43:59 PM] Strongandbig: wait was that tali or you [9:44:01 PM] Strongandbig: shit 1 sec [9:44:03 PM] Toad: yeah vet in general (goon or GF) + medium-player mason makes way more sense [9:44:39 PM] Strongandbig: okay wait that was you yeah [9:44:40 PM] Strongandbig: anyway [9:44:51 PM] Toad: at least that's what I'd do if I were mafia because people WILL talk about "well if I were mafia I'd give the mason to a vet", so a low-skill guy being mason would be perfectly safe [9:45:33 PM] Strongandbig: tbf you did that in mtg mafia, you were like "someone in this group must be scum" when you were in that group, and then we lynched everyone else in that group and then you were like "why would I say that if I was scum, then you would just kill me for being in that group" [9:45:34 PM] Strongandbig: lol [9:45:41 PM] Strongandbig: anyway that's a good poitn [9:45:43 PM] Strongandbig: about strategy [9:45:54 PM] Strongandbig: but i can still see VE wanting to be the mafia mason, for sure [9:46:01 PM] Toad: actually I thought about mtg as well [9:46:14 PM] Toad: and was scared people might consider that game and just policy lynch me ;D [9:46:27 PM] Strongandbig: haha if we're policy lynching you are like way down the list [9:46:32 PM] Strongandbig: 1. wbg [9:46:36 PM] Strongandbig: 2. glasse [9:46:45 PM] Strongandbig: 3. [like 4 other lurkers] [9:46:53 PM] Strongandbig: 4. grush just for being grush [9:46:56 PM] Strongandbig: 5. mrzentor [9:46:59 PM] Toad: yeah I thought more of a d1 policy lynch [9:47:00 PM] Strongandbig: 6. toad [9:47:23 PM] Strongandbig: wait why a d1 policy lynch because of mtg mafia? [9:47:35 PM] Toad: because noone was talking about me [9:48:04 PM] Toad: considering the playerbase that means they got me as town (VE and wbg don't talk about townreads) [9:48:33 PM] Toad: so as I was really manipulative and everyone considered me to be town in mtg I was afraid that some guy might just start some paranoia on me [9:48:45 PM] Strongandbig: oh [9:48:47 PM] Strongandbig: that's like [9:48:51 PM] Strongandbig: incredibly convoluted [9:49:05 PM] Toad: I guess [9:49:39 PM] Toad: still it was really strange nobody brought it up [9:49:54 PM] Toad: I thought it would be an easy way for mafia to discredit me [9:50:02 PM] Toad: and you're the first one to mention it [9:51:29 PM] Toad: I guess you stopping to type means you consider that scummy? [9:51:45 PM] Strongandbig: huh what [9:51:48 PM] Strongandbig: oh no i was posting [9:51:52 PM] Strongandbig: about wbg [9:51:57 PM] Strongandbig: just the same stuff i tolx you [9:52:05 PM] Toad: ah saw it [9:52:08 PM] Toad: reading [9:52:13 PM] Strongandbig: it's not really relevan [9:52:18 PM] Strongandbig: just letting off some steam [9:52:25 PM] Toad: oh that yeah [9:52:26 PM] Strongandbig: i'm still pretty pissed about that day 1 fiasco [9:52:40 PM] Strongandbig: especially how he kept calling me bad even though his play was the scummiest shit ever [9:52:49 PM] Toad: yeah [9:52:53 PM] Toad: he does that a lot [9:53:33 PM] Toad: I just really don't think town wbg would stop playing like this and still be alive right now [9:54:01 PM] Toad: if he really was town he'd either start playing or get himself killed on purpose because he has to know that we're going to lynch him [9:54:19 PM] Strongandbig: also wtf is with no warning or modkill for hassy and biosc? [9:54:27 PM] Strongandbig: i hate when hosts do that. [9:54:28 PM] Toad: no idea [9:54:36 PM] Toad: BC is really lazy [9:54:38 PM] Strongandbig: like even if they are both town we'd be better off with them modkkilled imo [9:54:44 PM] Toad: yeah lol [9:54:54 PM] Toad: I SO want to see hassy flip [9:55:03 PM] Toad: pretty much no matter of alignment [9:55:08 PM] Strongandbig: like i thought there was no way he's town [9:55:26 PM] Strongandbig: but i've got this heuristic that lurking scum usually doesn't let themselves get modkilled [9:55:36 PM] Toad: yeah [9:55:37 PM] Strongandbig: unless it's someone like mattchew who plays scum so much that he actually gets bored of it [9:56:04 PM] Toad: I'm really not sure about all those medium players [9:56:12 PM] Strongandbig: yeah [9:56:27 PM] Strongandbig: you mean medium activity or experience leve? [9:56:33 PM] Toad: they al got some things that make them bad somehow but they all got some things that make them look good as well [9:56:37 PM] Toad: both [9:56:59 PM] Toad: but I was referring to experience [9:57:21 PM] Toad: I've got a couple of strong reads but all those maju's, bke's and guys like that are so hard to read [9:57:50 PM] Strongandbig: xsebts last post was pretty terrible [9:57:55 PM] Strongandbig: wait maju is in this game? [9:58:03 PM] Toad: according to my sheet yeah [9:58:12 PM] Toad: don't know if he got replaced though [9:58:21 PM] Toad: still got "ghost_403" instead of zentor as well^^ [9:58:46 PM] Strongandbig: yeah he got replaced [9:58:49 PM] Strongandbig: solstice maybe? [9:59:02 PM] Toad: has to be, he's not in my sheet [9:59:18 PM] Toad: I've really got so few reads on those guys [9:59:31 PM] Toad: I got glase down as slightly townish for some reaso I don't even remember [9:59:33 PM] Strongandbig: glasse [9:59:35 PM] Toad: lazer is probably town [9:59:35 PM] Strongandbig: seriously [9:59:39 PM] Strongandbig: you gotta be kidding me [9:59:56 PM] Toad: yeah I've got him as green so far [10:00:06 PM] Strongandbig: unless the reason is something like "no scum could actually be that scummy" [10:00:24 PM] Strongandbig: like he just pops in immediately after every lynch to make a one liner and then ignore everyone asking him to make reads or whatever [10:00:46 PM] Toad: yeah i know [10:00:52 PM] Toad: but I actually liked his d1 play [10:00:59 PM] Toad: it really looked townish to me [10:01:22 PM] Toad: he was the guy who pointed out that WBG might be just fooling around when outing Eran and VE [10:01:36 PM] Toad: and prplhz was really confused about that and I didn't mind that at all [10:02:04 PM] Strongandbig: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&user=86645¤tpage=2 [10:02:10 PM] Strongandbig: think glasse is breadcrumbing vig? [10:02:25 PM] Strongandbig: that would be terrible by BC, let scum pick their PRs but give town's to rando's [10:02:58 PM] Toad: I'm not really watching for breadcrumbs, what post? [10:03:07 PM] Strongandbig: oh just that [10:03:12 PM] Strongandbig: he keeps talking about the vig [10:03:19 PM] Strongandbig: while ignoring everything else going on in the thread [10:03:24 PM] Toad: oh [10:03:24 PM] Strongandbig: i guess not really a breadcrumb [10:03:44 PM] Strongandbig: but the thing is that's about the only way I could figure him playing like that as town [10:03:56 PM] Strongandbig: I mean this post [10:03:57 PM] Toad: "maybe he was a vig who shot grush" is what you're saying? [10:03:58 PM] Strongandbig: " Not gonna lie, my plan is quite boring this game. I shall not do it again." [10:04:02 PM] Strongandbig: yeah [10:04:38 PM] Toad: well there are no mafia vigs^^ [10:04:50 PM] Toad: if he really is a vig that's not on purpose, that's for sure [10:04:54 PM] Strongandbig: yeah [10:05:03 PM] Strongandbig: okay so if we're looking into lurkers [10:06:08 PM] Strongandbig: before when I read the whole thread at once i thought the scummiest ones were glasse, broodking, and biosc, and jinglehell [10:06:34 PM] Toad: jinglehell is really bold [10:06:40 PM] Strongandbig: jinglehell is a mason right/ [10:06:42 PM] Toad: I don't think he'd play like that as mafia [10:06:49 PM] Strongandbig: but broodking always looks scummy [10:06:52 PM] Strongandbig: i think [10:06:57 PM] Strongandbig: and so does biosc [10:07:00 PM] Strongandbig: they're just terrible [10:07:04 PM] Strongandbig: like some of these lurkers are decent [10:07:21 PM] Toad: I don't remember broodking being this bad [10:07:22 PM] Strongandbig: synystyr, lazermonkey, hopeless [10:07:24 PM] Strongandbig: they try [10:07:30 PM] Toad: hier looks like a decent shot if I were a vigi right now [10:07:37 PM] Strongandbig: but broodking and biosc? they've actually played a bunch [10:07:42 PM] Strongandbig: and are just terrible and don't care [10:08:32 PM] Toad: if I had to rank people (vets not included) from nice vig target #1 to not that good it'd be something like this [10:08:44 PM] Toad: #1: hier [10:08:50 PM] Toad: #2 zentor [10:08:54 PM] Toad: #3 biosc [10:08:59 PM] Toad: #4 maju [10:09:10 PM] Toad: maybe bke #5? [10:09:22 PM] Strongandbig: maju is out of game [10:09:28 PM] Toad: they can't all be mafia though and it's incredible hard to differentiate between them [10:09:28 PM] Strongandbig: replaced [10:09:40 PM] Toad: yeah the solis guy [10:09:44 PM] Toad: brb changing that [10:10:00 PM] Strongandbig: could talismania be SK? [10:10:03 PM] Strongandbig: is there an sk in this game? [10:10:13 PM] Toad: I don't think there is lol [10:10:21 PM] Strongandbig: like his play is so wildly swinging between making a lot of sense and making none [10:10:51 PM] Toad: yes it is [10:11:01 PM] Toad: I was so sure he's got to be mafia d1 [10:11:15 PM] Toad: n1-start of d2 I thought he's looking better [10:11:18 PM] Toad: and now I'm back to mafia [10:11:50 PM] Toad: but I've got hassy, zeph and wbg as mafia in my sheet as well. Including talis would make it alread 4 [10:12:17 PM] Strongandbig: why zeph? [10:12:35 PM] Strongandbig: tbh the cases by him have been so random that I haven't paid too much attention [10:12:40 PM] Toad: he's awfully focusing on the wrong things when quoting people [10:12:56 PM] Toad: and always manages to someone to post really scummy [10:13:24 PM] Toad: remember when he told everyone "guys, it's obvious this eran vs WBG vs VE fight has to be 3 townies fighting and there's no mafia in there" [10:13:31 PM] Toad: what kind of townie would make such a post [10:13:54 PM] Strongandbig: a townie who thinks they're a lot better than they actually are [10:14:36 PM] Toad: if you think someone is better than what you see, shouldn't you want to lynch them? [10:14:45 PM] Strongandbig: oh no i meant [10:14:53 PM] Strongandbig: he thinks he's good [10:14:54 PM] Strongandbig: not me [10:14:55 PM] Toad: oh yeah [10:14:59 PM] Toad: got it [10:15:20 PM] Toad: if that's what he thinks he should have targeted someone else though [10:15:29 PM] Toad: it's the same thing WBG does [10:15:42 PM] Toad: he pops out a bunch of townreads out of nowhere telling people Eran and VE are both town [10:15:54 PM] Toad: but completly ignores what that means to his scumreads [10:16:17 PM] Toad: if wbg really thought eran and VE are town he should have been all over me or prplhz d1, but he wasn't. Same goes for zeph [10:17:18 PM] Strongandbig: yeah so i guess here's where I am right now [10:17:22 PM] Strongandbig: we can't not lynch wbg tomorrw [10:17:29 PM] Strongandbig: like, several things [10:17:33 PM] Strongandbig: his play is scummy as shit [10:17:48 PM] Strongandbig: and he's shown no sign of trying to make up for it [10:17:54 PM] Strongandbig: despite having like three days irl to cool off [10:18:13 PM] Strongandbig: plus if he's not helping town then the potential downside of a scum wbg far outweighs the small upside [10:18:19 PM] Toad: not to mention that he really plays like a mafia wants to play to look like he's doing when he actually posts something [10:18:35 PM] Toad: when wbg is posting he's always talking about some townreads, nothing else [10:18:40 PM] Strongandbig: it's just would he really play so badly as scum? [10:18:46 PM] Toad: those are all things that are incredible easy to talk about as mafia [10:19:02 PM] Toad: well he survived 2 days so far [10:19:07 PM] Strongandbig: yeah [10:19:14 PM] Strongandbig: i don't think we can afford not to lynch him [10:19:19 PM] Toad: agree [10:19:22 PM] Strongandbig: but I also think VE looks like net scum [10:19:31 PM] Strongandbig: and other than them [10:19:46 PM] Toad: VE really depends on wether or not we've got more masons and if hassy is mafia [10:19:59 PM] Strongandbig: broodkign and hassy [10:20:00 PM] Strongandbig: i guess [10:20:13 PM] Strongandbig: so that means for me it's wbg, ve, broodking, hassy [10:20:15 PM] Toad: If hassy and WBG are both mafia I really doubt VE is mafia as well [10:20:21 PM] Strongandbig: true [10:20:34 PM] Strongandbig: well it's BC though [10:20:40 PM] Strongandbig: i don't know him that well [10:20:49 PM] Strongandbig: but he seeems like he might have skewed ideas on balance [10:20:58 PM] Toad: yeah it's bc alright but what about the mason between VE and wbg? [10:21:20 PM] Toad: wbg ragequitted and isn't playing anymore because of eran (or the other way around idk) [10:21:21 PM] Strongandbig: yeah i don't think they're scum together [10:21:25 PM] Toad: do you really think he would fake that? [10:21:27 PM] Strongandbig: but i think one of them is for sure su [10:21:29 PM] Strongandbig: scum [10:21:33 PM] Toad: yes [10:21:39 PM] Toad: and wbg just makes way more sense [10:21:49 PM] Strongandbig: im not sure about that [10:21:50 PM] Strongandbig: like [10:21:55 PM] Strongandbig: there is a possible explanation for all his behavior [10:22:01 PM] Toad: not to mention that I'd hate myself forever if I had to find out he is mafia and I ended up lynching VE [10:22:04 PM] Strongandbig: yeah [10:22:07 PM] Strongandbig: that's where i agree [10:22:12 PM] Strongandbig: if ve wins this because wbg shitted up the town [10:22:13 PM] Strongandbig: then fine [10:22:18 PM] Strongandbig: if wbg wins this while shitting up the town [10:22:21 PM] Strongandbig: then fuck everything [10:22:39 PM] Toad: yeah [10:23:05 PM] Toad: but all those other mafias out there are still so hard to figure out [10:23:20 PM] Strongandbig: yeah [10:23:25 PM] Strongandbig: its so hard to put pressure on them [10:23:27 PM] Strongandbig: actually [10:23:35 PM] Strongandbig: i wouldn't count out xsebt [10:23:38 PM] Strongandbig: looking at his filter [10:23:38 PM] Toad: even if wbg is mafia, mafia still has 2KP until they're reduced to 2 players 8( [10:23:44 PM] Strongandbig: could be a shitty us [10:23:47 PM] Strongandbig: bus [10:23:49 PM] Strongandbig: by bugs [10:23:55 PM] Strongandbig: or if bugs is town [10:23:58 PM] Strongandbig: then he stumbled on a mafia [10:24:03 PM] Strongandbig: but xsebts filter looks scum to me [10:24:30 PM] Strongandbig: i'm gonna play some civ 4, i'll try and write up some stuff in an hour or so before i go to bed [11:34:05 PM] Strongandbig: i guess we should post these pm logs before one of us gets nk'ed [11:34:19 PM] Toad: thught about it as well [11:34:30 PM] Toad: but I don't feel like staying up until 5 am [11:34:32 PM] Toad: or 4 am [11:34:37 PM] Strongandbig: yeah [11:34:40 PM] Strongandbig: me neither [11:35:07 PM] Strongandbig: i think i'm kinda likely to get killed anyway, regardless of my reads i'm like the only person who posts a lot in the thread and yet isn't called scum [11:35:12 PM] Toad: honestly I wouldn't mind taking the risk that at least one of us survives to post it [11:35:26 PM] Toad: I think either you or I are going to die tonight [11:35:30 PM] Strongandbig: yeah [11:35:38 PM] Strongandbig: well is there any reason to not post it now? [11:35:39 PM] Strongandbig: like [11:35:41 PM] Toad: and if my townread on you is wrong this game is over anyways :D [11:35:51 PM] Strongandbig: i think scum are going to kill us or not regardless of what's in the logs [11:35:56 PM] Strongandbig: it's not like there's anything groundbreaking [11:36:12 PM] Toad: yeah i don't see a problem with posting them [11:36:20 PM] Strongandbig: kk i'ma do that then go to bed [11:36:32 PM] Toad: especially as we disagreed about the lower-experience guys quite a lot lol On August 09 2012 06:38 Toadesstern wrote: + Show Spoiler [open me in a new tab!] + Okay a couple of issues:
If I had to make a list right now I'd say it's
reads getting weaker from top to bottom and the "X or Y" and "one out of XYZ" is due to balance or some "connections" I picture that I'm not able to put into words, but that might be total bullshit. Like if Talis is actually mafia I'd say solstice makes more sense than Zephirdd. If Talis is town I'd rather lynch into Zeph but we can't afford to lynch talis first. Or look at Xsebt: He called talis and solstice mafia recently and WBG (i think? too lazy and tired to check) called HIM mafia as well, so what that's supposed to mean is up for discussion as well. All in all I don't see much difference in scuminess within all those white and yellow reads I got. In general I'd consider solstice being mafia and Talis not being mafia a little bit more likely though, however no idea why. That being said I was really busy this 2nd cycle. I had my last exam about 36hours ago. I got the news that I'm now an uncle about 26 hours ago and I was visiting my sis and my new niece today (only 15 mins by car, don't picture a huge journey through half germany) but all those things happening during the same cycle was really unfortunate and I wasn't able to look into my minor reads as much as I wanted to or I could have made them way more precise. I spend the time that I had on relaxing and looking into my major reads mostly so I'm not sure about the weak reads at all, which is the reason for them being so vague. Everything below solstice or perhaps hier is kinda random and only a "what would I say if I had to say something"-scenario. Considering that I'm likely to die tonight I'm posting it nevertheless. That being said: Anyone not voting WBG tomorrow is considered a mafia to me, if I'm still alive. Lynch them after lynching WBG or after WBG+Hassy are lynched if I'm dead tomorrow It's just storm mafia all over again and people are doing what WBG want's them to do for some weird reason I can't understand | ||
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I'm out for the day. Anyone thinking WBG is town needs their brain checked. Anyone thinking that Eran (town), s&b (town) and sloOsh (town) all said I'm town for the lulz and I'm actually mafia needs their brain checked. If we let WBG survive another day this game is over. I did everything I could this game and if you don't want to win this game I'm not going to invest more into this. | ||
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But I have no idea if he's a mafia trying to seal the deal with a last ML faking some bullshit check on you because he's one of those "could be mafia" as well, or if he genuinely is a townie. | ||
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Have I slipped my char-name somewhere so far? I never watched the show so I really don't know if I said something that may lead to someone finding out my name on his own. | ||
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If it were by the guy I'm in contact with I wouldn't want to tell you that. | ||
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On August 10 2012 03:43 talismania wrote: Toad can you at least answer if he said I was a goon or a roleblocker? Can't just leave the thread hanging like that. he said "Talis the mafia goon". That's all I'm going to say. | ||
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Eventually people figure them out or they screw up big time themselves when posting with their origninal account but smurfs lie about wether or not they are a smurf for obvious reasons. He is 99% a smurf, although I don't agree that he has to be mafia, nor do I think it is likely for him to flip mafia. Though with bugs flipping green the chances increase I guess.. | ||
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On August 10 2012 04:39 Lazermonkey wrote: Well I guess the purpose with being a smurf is to avoid people judging you by your meta. Why would someone smurf and then troll the thread to death if he got town? It doesn't make sense. But I guess he could be doing it just to fuck with everyone... or because they're so good at playing that they usually get shot d1 and don't want to get shot. The really good vets do that all the time, either by playing "weird" on purpose or by smurfing. Foolishness for example is someone who preferes not to smurf, proceeds to post in a way that it's really hard to tell wether he's town or mafia, so he won't get shot as town and dishes out a list on d3 that is pretty much 100% correct. He's not trolling but he's making himself a bad target for mafia to shoot that way. People like Palmar, Kita, Greymist and Sandroba (I think he's either kita or Greymist) like to smurf although it comes down to the same thing. Greymist and Kita are two guys who love "roleplaying" so that's why I'm mentioned those two. | ||
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On August 10 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote: WTF? So a DT checked talis and claimed it THROUGH you Toad? Is that what I'm reading here? Can you clarify that a bit because if it's legit I'm switching my vote... kind of. Although I can't tell wether or not the guy is telling me that because he IS a DT or because he's a goon himself trying to get a final ML today. I'm trying to ignore it right now and thinking of other possibilities | ||
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On August 10 2012 06:35 VisceraEyes wrote: It doesn't sound very legit to me. I mean, there are inherent risks involved with claiming as DT...claiming through a mason doesn't really mitigate those at all, because surreptitious behavior is often regarded as scummy rather than townie regardless of the intentions - look at the Lynch All Liars policy if you have any doubts. While I would love nothing more than to lynch talismania, this smells funny. No offense Toad, it's more to do with the manner of the pseudo-claimed DT rather than any of your actions. The fact that you claimed it for him/her is pretty null to me, considering I think you're smart enough to know that claiming that in-thread would be the smart move regardless of your alignment. what has my alignment to do with this? Can we argue about wether I bussed him or genuinely wanted to lynch him after seeing him flip red pretty please? If you believe the DT story and all your worries is MY alignment there's no reason to be afraid. But as mentioned. I'll leave it with that as I don't know wether or not the guy is a mafia or townie. Yes either he is a mafia or Talis is a mafia but so far it could be both | ||
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On August 10 2012 07:21 Lazermonkey wrote: IMO Toad should absolutely not out the guy. If we do, even if we lynch talis and he flips scum, our DT will die. Maybe he could give out the logs but without name? If Toad really feel that the person to claim DT is scum, then he should consider outing him and lynching him instead. The one advantage we have with outing the guy(other than knowing who we are trusting...)is that we will have a confirmed DT if Tallis flips You could argue that he is a good medic target but we don't even know if we have a medic which makes it risky. Also scum could just perma RB the guy if they want too as well, assuming Tallis isn't the scum RB. I still can't tell if the guy is mafia or if it's talis. I found his breadcrumb all right. I see what he was doing now and it's all fine but mafia could set that kind of stuff up as well. Again, I posted it in an instant without thinking about it. Should not have posted it and I'm going to ignore it now that I can't make out which of the two guys is the mafia and who's faking. I hope the rest of you does the same and just proceeds as if I never said a thing. kk thx bye :3 | ||
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On August 10 2012 07:45 Lazermonkey wrote: Why should we ignore it? We are 99,9% guranteed to get a mafia, either this day or the next. The only scenario we don't get a mafia is if Tallis is miller but that is highly unlikely. I'm going to bed now. But before that. ##Vote: talismania because we kind of can't afford to misslynch right now, even if we're getting a mafia the next day because it might just be over? | ||
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On August 10 2012 09:05 JingleHell wrote: Right now we don't have a DT. We have what could easily be a fakeclaim. If it's a scum who's already a high visibility potential lynch, even grabbing one more mislynch for them before dying would be huge. Without having more information about the claim, I feel safer going into a scummy target. What did you think about my Dropula case? Well he's not a "high visibility potential lynch" candidate. He's just not what I'd call a townie straight from the books either. So far noone mentioned him as a lynch candidate if I'm not mistaken. | ||
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On August 10 2012 09:14 JingleHell wrote: And that succinctly covers why not many people are voting based on it. We all have the same question. Toad is withholding the info. well yeah because I was asked to. If the guy tells the truth we can get way more out of it with this proxy. I could tell another mason to mason him so that he can get the next read the next cycle. If the mason lies the DT can just claim, I can confirm the DT and we found ourselves a mafia-mason after already finding mafia-Talis. Telling the name doesn't really change a thing. | ||
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On August 10 2012 09:14 marvellosity wrote: i'm not lynching talis based on a DT check from a mystery person through another non-confirmed person is this chinese whispers mafia or soemthing? I mentioned it. I'm not saying we should lynch him based on that either and should ignore it right now because there's no way to know if it's really a DT. Not even for me so I guess we agree. | ||
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On August 10 2012 09:17 marvellosity wrote: jesus christ, are you scum? A DT check's reliability isn't based on the trustworthiness of the person in question? ???????? well if the red check is against the #1 or at least #2 scumread in the game I don't really see how the name makes much of a difference. | ||
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On August 10 2012 09:18 talismania wrote: wtf is this lol? how do you expect to tell another mason who the DT is in private? How would you know that that mason wasn't scum? idk, via PM's perhaps? I just said, even if the next Mason is a mafia he has to tell the truth or he is busted because both the DT and I can confirm wether he's telling the truth or not. | ||
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The guy in question is Xsebt. He's apparently a DT or a mafia. I never masoned him. He's breaking the rules and pm'ed me out of nowhere, I asked BC if he's a mason and if we're masoned assuming I caught a scum in him because he didn't realize that a mason can't be a DT at the same time (because again, he was the guy contacting me and mafia CAN be two roles at the same time), turned out I am not masoned with the guy and he was not allowed to pm me in the first place. However I posted the very first and second message, asking Talis about it to get some reactions after I read the pm. How am I supposed to know that something like that happens... I was told that Talis is a mafia goon, that I am Peter Cambell the mason, which is correct and he is probably about to get modkilled the moment BC comes back. Screw you all and see you tomorrow. I'm going to bed. I'm not going to look like a complete idiot just to make up for this dude's mistake. Take whatever you want from that. And BC I suggest not modkilling him. That way noone knows wether I'm full of shit, wether Xsebt is full of shit or wether it's Talis who's full of shit and people have to decide based on analysis, simple as that. | ||
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On August 05 2012 21:00 XsebT wrote: I agree that countdropula's voting pattern and reasoning during d1 is pointing towards scum. He is all over the place with his accusations. Lazermonkey's analysis points this out quite well. Talismania, I was too inactive during d1, so a "default scum" accusation is probably in its place. If you keep having concerns, just ask me more direct questions. I'm not quite able to keep up with you guys when it comes to posting. I will be brief and to the point when posting. That said, I don't know why you would throw out so many scum accusations so early on, while already in the spotlight with wbg from d1. You should fear for your own survival in this game. If you're town, I consider the accusations a bad move. I guess that's supposed to be a breadcrumb. But that's it for me. Now I'm really going to bed. I already managed to mislynch into prplhz and told someone to shoot WBG (I guess?) and now I'm probably the reason for a third townie being modkilled. Read: I already killed as many townies as I did in Arkham City without being an infinite vig or haven bullets at all. Those BC games are cursed for me See you tomorrow. | ||
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On August 10 2012 10:01 Hopeless1der wrote: That breadcrumb needs more bread. Or crumb. Or something. That was pretty useless imo. I hope to be back in 3ish hours to check back on the thread. Unless we get some direction from BC/Rasta on what the hell just happened this discussion needs to be tabled for later imo. Reads, cases, all that good stuff. Let's get back on course here. Well the message emphasizes d1 3 times, and it has "default scum" in quotation marks after talis' name. Why did he say he's a "default scum" read instead of just saying Talis is one of his mafia reads? Why the quotation marks out of nowhere? Check is filter and you'll see that he starts tunneling Talis like CRAZY ever after that post and does nothing besides voting him. On August 10 2012 10:03 talismania wrote: Bottom line: xsebt - DT talismania - miller toad - town mason jinglehell - town mason VE - scum mason hassybaby - scum mason (?) BKE - scum goon Count Dropula - scum godfather (Sinensis smurf - has to be someone who played with zeph in NMM II) hier - scum goon I think I know who the vig is as well but I won't say. __________ I say we lynch VE and have xsebt check BKE. If neither comes up red, lynch me tomorrow. See either you are mafia or this guy is mafia right now. That being said I don't really like following your advice in this situation. Sure could be you're a miller, this guy is really a DT and I successfully killed two townies with one lynch (lynched a miller and got a DT modkilled) but come on, how likely is that? You're the top mafia read that isn't a vet for everyone in this game for a reason. I said your set-up speculation isn't alignment indicating but you're still scummy. That doesn't make you town. Seeing how Eran said jingle has to be mafia, how s&b said jingle has to be mafia and how he's reacting this last couple of hours I'm not to set on hassy being the mafia mason either. | ||
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On August 10 2012 10:21 talismania wrote: And also, toad, for the love of god why do you think xsebt is mafia or I'm mafia. Neither of us are. His behavior is EXACTLY what it should be for a DT that gets a redcheck (although I might have considered claiming it outright in his case). I'm not taking the possibility of you being a miller as a chance. Either he is a mafia who tried he could manipulate me by claiming DT in pms without realizing how masons work, in which case you're town. Or he is a DT and found a mafia when checking you. | ||
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On August 10 2012 10:22 JingleHell wrote: Toad, you're ranting on and on about how good you are at getting townies killed, and you want to make me out to be scum because I was wrong about the guy? If Xsebt shows up and claims, I'm more than happy to lynch on a DT claim. I'm curious what, out of me wanting more information, makes me somehow scummy. And I don't like how you're screaming Talis is some giant scumread, when he's basically been lower on the radar than a lot of people who ended up dead, all of whom YOU were pushing for. I told people to protect sloOsh, I said grush is a townie, I said Eran is a townie and only idiots would vote him and I said s&b is a townie. The only one being dead I pushed for was prplhz. Well and wbg who probably got shot but he was pushing for his own death himself so that one doesn't count. | ||
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On August 10 2012 10:22 JingleHell wrote: Toad, you're ranting on and on about how good you are at getting townies killed, and you want to make me out to be scum because I was wrong about the guy? If Xsebt shows up and claims, I'm more than happy to lynch on a DT claim. I'm curious what, out of me wanting more information, makes me somehow scummy. And I don't like how you're screaming Talis is some giant scumread, when he's basically been lower on the radar than a lot of people who ended up dead, all of whom YOU were pushing for. Also I'm not ranting about how you are (are you?) wrong about the guy. I'm ranting about your reaction and how you're protecting him out of nowhere, without giving a reason or anything at all, without doubting for a second that Talis has to be the townie in this set-up. That's the reason I'm reconsidering you. | ||
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On August 10 2012 10:33 talismania wrote: toad toad TOAD aghgh hahahaha. It's on your shoulders here I think. By the way, can you actually post the PMs? We need to treat this like a public claim, so I'd like to see exactly what he wrote. There's a chance I can actually prove that he's a DT, so this is very important. I guess. If I'm going to be in trouble for saying stuff although BC told me not to I'm probably already in trouble...: #1, Maybe important notes: He misspelled names | ||
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On August 10 2012 10:41 talismania wrote: Does this smell incredibly off to anyone else? Like I can't logically put my finger on it but my brain is screaming at me that this is a scumslip or something. Like, if he's saying that xsebt is going to flip town DT, then why does he state after that that I assume I'm a miller? What else do I assume in that case? Like, is he trying to say that I am incorrectly assuming that I'm a miller, and therefore that xsebt is scum? That's the only logical way to interpret those two sentences but I'm fairly sure that's not what he was getting at. he's trying to say you're trying to hard to sell the idea that you're a miller while the assumption that you're a mafia makes way more sense unless we're in your position and you REALLY are a townie miller. From our point the assumption that you're a miller makes no sense. | ||
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On August 10 2012 14:48 Lazermonkey wrote: Talis needs to die. We cannot judge him by his defense. There are two possible explanation for his play here. 1) He is miller. 2) He is scum but wants to act as miller as it's the only way he might survive. Out of these two 2 is much more likely than 1. So unless you had a very convincing town read to start with, you should vote him. That's exactly the point. I'm not even saying what talis is posting is looking more like a mafia (except for the fact that he's leaving out the mafia scenarios when talking but no idea how you guys think about that) but if he is mafia he can't just get in here and tell people "sup dudes, I got a red check on me, ignore it and lynch someone else because I say so". He has to deal with it no matter of alignment. Besides I'd be up for lynching Zeph as well. I don't realy like how he was so furious and mad about someone breaking the rules and suddenly went on to sweettalk me like that when he said "Toad is't not your fault. Xsebt is the guy who did something wrong". I get that you're mad if someone breaks the rules but it felt over the top. Not even Talis was anywhere as mad and he's the center of all this after all. | ||
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On August 10 2012 23:20 marvellosity wrote: it's not something that can be ignored. It's something that needs to be dealt with. well but BC is most likely not going to confirm a thing. Right now what we have is a public claim. Believe it or not but the moment BC comes in this thread and confirms it that's a modconfirmed red DT check on someone. He can't do that so again, take from it what you want. I can't prove a thing but you wanted me to tell you anyways. BC is most likely going to act with the next night-post or maybe even not before postgame, who knows. We're best to assume there's not going to be a word from BC about this. | ||
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On August 12 2012 00:53 Hopeless1der wrote: Would you care to elaborate at all MrZentor? Can you address the GF theory that Talis has laid out and why you disagree with him? Well we had a red check on Talis and CD was in favor of a Zeph lynch that ended up lynching a mafia instead of just voting Talis, which would have been the easiest way to "store" his vote no matter of talis alignment. Give me a single reason to think CD is mafia given the situation right now. | ||
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On August 12 2012 04:26 marvellosity wrote: What are you talking about? Cd wanted a talis lynch and I pushed the zeph lynch ... talis has already explained it somewhere, do I really need to type out everything twice? | ||
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I don't know why they shot both DT's though. They could have easily just shot Xsebt and roleblocked DC for an eternity. I masoned DC yesterday, we didn't talk a lot but some. He was in favor of a Zeph lynch, which was odd to me considering I just told him I got a red check on Talis and was than okay with an Talis lynch as well. Later on (still RL-d1 from yesterday, like 10 hours into the day, way before I claimed the red check in the thread) we both agreed, that we should lynch Zeph first and check out what's going to happen. + Show Spoiler [Logs] + [09.08.2012 17:43:38] Erik: hi count dropula, Toad here [09.08.2012 17:53:58] Count Dropula: Count Dropula hat Kontaktdetails mit Erik ausgetauscht. [09.08.2012 17:54:07] Erik: sup [09.08.2012 17:54:15] Count Dropula: Greetings [09.08.2012 17:54:19] Erik: you even made a skype fake for this? [09.08.2012 17:54:36] Count Dropula: I leave no loose strings [09.08.2012 17:54:52] Erik: i see [09.08.2012 17:54:57] Erik: I'd love to know who you are though [09.08.2012 17:55:18] Erik: not going to happen? [09.08.2012 17:55:31] Count Dropula: I Have already revealed myself [09.08.2012 17:55:39] Count Dropula: I am the puppeteer [09.08.2012 17:55:53] Erik: okay fine with me [09.08.2012 17:55:59] Erik: thoughts on talis? [09.08.2012 17:56:21] Count Dropula: His defense of my puppet is pitiful [09.08.2012 17:56:32] Erik: I kinda got a red check on him telling me he's a mafia goon called Henry Francais [09.08.2012 17:56:55] Count Dropula: Very well [09.08.2012 17:56:58] Count Dropula: As expected [09.08.2012 17:57:02] Erik: obviously not from myself because I'm a mason and not a DT [09.08.2012 17:57:27] Count Dropula: Certainly [09.08.2012 17:57:33] Erik: but the guy who told me that also checked me and told me my char name so I believe him [09.08.2012 17:58:15] Erik: the thing hower is that talis is attacking VE and pushing for a VE lynch [09.08.2012 17:58:22] Erik: which makes me doubt VE is mafia right now [09.08.2012 17:58:30] Count Dropula: You have a higher probability of being mafia. I am not without suspicion. [09.08.2012 17:58:48] Erik: higher as VE or higher as talis? [09.08.2012 17:59:40] Count Dropula: I will vote talis tomorrow regardless [09.08.2012 17:59:53] Count Dropula: He is one of my actors [09.08.2012 18:00:01] Count Dropula: My scum-marionette [09.08.2012 18:00:10] Erik: tomorrow? as in after the lynch we're having right now? [09.08.2012 18:00:29] Erik: or as in "RL-tomorrow" [09.08.2012 18:00:34] Count Dropula: The lynch after zephirdd [09.08.2012 18:00:48] Count Dropula: Act II of my production [09.08.2012 18:00:55] Erik: so you don't believe me when I'm telling you about the red check? [09.08.2012 18:02:06] Count Dropula: My suspicions of talis are independent of the check. He is my actor. He wears red. He got the part in the audition I held [09.08.2012 18:03:06] Erik: I've got the feeling this is going to be hard [09.08.2012 18:03:21] Count Dropula: Hard to lynch them? [09.08.2012 18:03:35] Erik: na, hard to talk to you [09.08.2012 18:03:40] Erik: with that fancy roleplay [09.08.2012 18:03:59] Count Dropula: A byproduct of my puppeteer training [09.08.2012 18:04:21] Erik: why are you a puppeteer? [09.08.2012 18:05:15] Count Dropula: Because it is my calling [09.08.2012 18:05:27] Erik: to me that sounds like someone we can't see who's trying to controle what people are doing [09.08.2012 18:05:29] Count Dropula: Why are you a toad? [09.08.2012 18:05:36] Erik: that really sounds like what a mafia would do [09.08.2012 18:05:58] Count Dropula: My votes will speak for me [09.08.2012 18:06:10] Erik: why zeph > talis? [09.08.2012 18:06:30] Count Dropula: He is easier to control [09.08.2012 18:06:59] Erik: and when you're saying "control" you mean what? [09.08.2012 18:07:27] Count Dropula: His mind is not his own [09.08.2012 18:07:52] Erik: I so want to know who you are [09.08.2012 18:07:53] Count Dropula: Do you see how he reacts when I pull a string? [09.08.2012 18:09:58] Erik: link? [09.08.2012 18:10:11] Erik: or just in general? [09.08.2012 18:15:28] Count Dropula: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&user=111188¤tpage=3 [09.08.2012 18:15:35] Count Dropula: The whole page [09.08.2012 18:15:58] Count Dropula: The need to defend... [09.08.2012 18:20:06] Erik: so you're basicly saying a townie wouldn't feel the need to defend himself so heavily after a post like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=22#436 [09.08.2012 18:20:17] Erik: when noone else really considers him a decent lynch target? [09.08.2012 18:21:53] Count Dropula: Exactly [09.08.2012 18:22:14] Count Dropula: The audience did not care [09.08.2012 18:22:34] Count Dropula: That was the only post with evidencr [09.08.2012 18:23:00] Count Dropula: Afterwards I was all stage direction [09.08.2012 18:24:15] Erik: I'd love to lynch zeph as well, he's one of my scum targets as well but as we all know those didn't turn out that well this game. [09.08.2012 18:24:21] Erik: so I'd rather trust the red check first [09.08.2012 18:25:11] Erik: btw the reason I consider Zeph to be scummy is because he's somehow able to always include weird phrases in his posts. Like "It's entirely reasonable that a town player would change opinions within two posts, given that someone gives the proper arguments." [09.08.2012 18:25:42] Erik: a town player would change opinions? That sounds to me like he's not town but wants to tell us that if he were town he'd do the same thing [09.08.2012 18:26:46] Erik: okay, who do you consider to be scum other than Zeph? [09.08.2012 18:27:07] Count Dropula: Talismania [09.08.2012 18:27:34] Erik: and you consider your read on zeph stronger than the one on talis? [09.08.2012 18:28:16] Count Dropula: They are my cast. Equally red. [09.08.2012 18:28:32] Erik: so let's lynch talis first, the guy with a red check [09.08.2012 18:30:36] Count Dropula: And your source... One of the audience you masoned? [09.08.2012 18:31:12] Erik: probably [09.08.2012 18:31:39] Count Dropula: Probably or certainly [09.08.2012 18:31:58] Erik: I don't want my source to die so I'm sticking with probably [09.08.2012 18:33:03] Count Dropula: Well then, Talismania it is [09.08.2012 18:33:13] Erik: nice :3 [09.08.2012 18:34:12] Count Dropula: Soon, the curtain will rise! The audience will be amazed! Act I will begin! [09.08.2012 18:34:31] Erik: are you kita? [09.08.2012 18:36:00] Erik: did you request that I'm masoning you? [09.08.2012 18:36:08] Count Dropula: If we lynch two in a row, as I believe, then mafia will be on the defense for quite a while [09.08.2012 18:36:27] Erik: Talis: "toad if I'm reading between the lines correctly here you're saying that you mason'd CountDropula as he requested and he revealed that he had a red check on me?" [09.08.2012 18:36:35] Erik: how does he know I masoned you? [09.08.2012 18:37:52] Erik: awww [09.08.2012 18:37:55] Erik: screw what I said [09.08.2012 18:38:02] Erik: about talis, not sure if I can trust my source [09.08.2012 18:38:19] Erik: if even talis is able to figure out my role name on hiw own [09.08.2012 18:41:14] Erik: I have no idea what's going on anymore. Let's ignore the red check. No idea if it's a mason trying to get a final ML by fakeclaiming or really a DT right now... [09.08.2012 18:41:25] Erik: mason = mafia [09.08.2012 18:41:58] Count Dropula: No. [09.08.2012 18:42:13] Count Dropula: Lynch zeph [09.08.2012 18:42:21] Erik: yeah I guess [09.08.2012 18:42:48] Count Dropula: He is stupid. He soft-outs himself with every post [09.08.2012 18:44:02] Count Dropula: Town masons are useful. Scum masons are easy [09.08.2012 18:44:29] Erik: that's not what I was saying [09.08.2012 18:44:33] Erik: it was supposed to be: [09.08.2012 18:44:41] Count Dropula: Besides, we know VE will be behind zephs stage exit [09.08.2012 18:45:12] Erik: I have no idea what's going on anymore. Let's ignore the red check. No idea if it's a mafia trying to get a final ML by fakeclaiming or really a DT right now... [09.08.2012 18:46:06] Count Dropula: Ignore. We lynch zephirdd. [09.08.2012 18:46:13] Erik: yeah [09.08.2012 18:47:17] Count Dropula: It doesnt matter what you think of me, what I think of you. [09.08.2012 18:47:26] Erik: ok I'm assuming you're a vet, I don't know which one but you're probably one [09.08.2012 18:47:37] Erik: how many millers are usually in a game with millers in your opinion? [09.08.2012 18:51:32] Count Dropula: I have already revealed myself I don't know if the logs help. Maybe I missed something in there because he was talking in fancy-english all the time and maybe you find something of importance. He said that he's told me something, that he played SSB-64 mafia and that I should look at something he posted taking into consideration that I'm the hiropro of that game, which probably is about the same thing as the Toad from AC, damn these BC games I can't recall what he said in detail so I'm going to check it again and try and re-read some filters. Now that both Talis AND the DT flipped green I wouldn't be that much against a VE lynch. So far I did not go for him simply because I considered both Talis and WBG to be way more reasonable as mafia. 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This time I'll stop overthinking everytime, as clearly that didn't turn out to well and instead just do what my guts tell me to do. Who's up for VE? :p I'm also willing to listen someone else if I trust them. | ||
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Just a random mention. I still think we should lynch VE | ||
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On August 12 2012 21:52 marvellosity wrote: why are you so bad as to not be able to read and respond to basic points? because I chose not to answer that question? | ||
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honestly speaking, I don't know what to make of VE considering the posts in his filter dealing with Zeph. There's some weird stuff in there that looks fishy but he's on zeph a lot later on. I think the posts dealing with zeph from d1 and d2 done by VE are all weird to some degree and it feels faked. Take the conversations he's having with other people as example and you'll see that VE is way more "in your face" when talking about Talis or when talking about bug / eran. But the later posts (I guess about d3) all are pretty good looking for VE. Good be a bus but betting it all on a bus takes a huge act of faith in a situation like this I guess. That's why I said I'll probably do what my guts tell me to do this cycle :p | ||
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I think I already said enough the last couple of days and we desperately need everyone to join the discussion so gogo. | ||
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On August 13 2012 21:09 marvellosity wrote: mostly right now we need people to sheep me/talis I thought you wanted me to post more and explain more although I'm kinda confirmed town. So if you didn't want me to post more because you wanted to read me you wanted me to post more because you're trusting my judgement (at least a tiny bit?) or why else would you want me to post on something that you (apparently?) agree with. And now it's all about sheeping you instead? That's kind of a change of mind, isn't it? | ||
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Now that I know he never risked being modkilled and it was all okay with BC he is for sure back on my scumradar for the same reasons he was back then, however I'm still not that sure about him. | ||
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On August 14 2012 20:52 marvellosity wrote: Just been re-reading now I'm more with it. VE didn't flip godfather O.o which means i'm confused about who would be, because VE would be gf before anyone else in the game except maybe bugs. Ugh. Toad I don't know what's wrong with you. Maybe some paranoid hangover from LV where I duped you, is that it? Or are somehow you're gf?? it's about the GF part and as you finally mentioned it's not making sense right now.
besides that: If the mafia RB gets to be GF (GF chooses to be checked as VT), what would the DT get back on a check? "VT + name" or "VT + RB + name" ? | ||
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I was pretty convinced one out of Hassy / VE has to be mafia, probably even both yesterday. However, if both are mafia that means there's still a GF running around somewhere else which gave me some headache and was one of the reasons I stated I'm not that sure on hassy anymore. I'd still say it's way more likely that Hassy's just a mafia mason and we have a GF running around somewhere else but assuming that to begin with should take some balls imo and suprisingly it didn't at all. Anyways, see you tomorrow, going back to my place now. | ||
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On August 14 2012 21:25 marvellosity wrote: yeah I was pretty baked by the time the flip came. As for VE. What was the credible altnerative? talis made a huge (and good) case, plus I added my thoughts on VE too. The plain fact of the matter is that no-one believed he was town enough to speak up for him. Also roleblocker can't be godfather surely? Yeah I get that and lynching VE was the best, if not the only choice we had. Still I'm just suprised that noone had at least some tiny doubts about it. Not saying people should have acted paranoid and tried to lynch someone else but everyone treating this as a 100% confirmed lynch without the slightest form of a doubt was weird. | ||
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On August 14 2012 21:33 marvellosity wrote: I'm always scared shitless of lynching VE, but i'm not gonna show town that ^^ like we're both agreeing, it was kinda basically the only alternative. Plus town VE before he gets lynched usually fucking dishes out the reads and info for before he dies, as the day goes on. As the day went on and he didn't do it, it became more obvious he'd flip mafia. See, that's exactly the reason I'm not trusting you, you're just like Zephirdd somehow. You manage to write those posts and they all read nice and dandy but at the same time you somehow manage to have this one phrase, word or whatever else in a lot of your posts that makes my spidersenses tingle like crazy. That part just reads an awful lot like you're not part of town at all. I would expect a townie to say something like "but I'm not gonna show people that" instead of "town" or something else like that, go figure. This just really sounds like you're unconsciously dissociating yourself from "town". | ||
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On August 14 2012 21:53 Toadesstern wrote: See, that's exactly the reason I'm not trusting you, you're just like Zephirdd somehow. You manage to write those posts and they all read nice and dandy but at the same time you somehow manage to have this one phrase, word or whatever else in a lot of your posts that makes my spidersenses tingle like crazy. That part just reads an awful lot like you're not part of town at all. I would expect a townie to say something like "but I'm not gonna show people that" instead of "town" or something else like that, go figure. This just really sounds like you're unconsciously dissociating yourself from "town". and no I'm not telling people to shoot you or lynch you based on something like that, but I'd rather not have them think you're clearly a townie either because I don't think it's that clear at all. But that's it for me for today, as mentioned on my way now. | ||
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On August 14 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote: i'll quite happily sit back, do jack shit, and let town burn, if you want, toad. That's not it. It's just that the reasoning for lynching WBG and Prplhz came down to "they should be better than what they showed us". The reasoning for lynching Zeph and VE always has been "they're weird, not necessarily scummy yet but they somehow manage to get these weird phrases in their posts that really sound like they're not town and they do that a lot. Not sure what to make of it though". At least that has been the reasoning for me (check my mason-logs, I mentioned it a couple of times when talking about Zeph I think) when judging them and you're starting to give me the same feeling VE and Zephirdd gave me, unlike WBG, prplhz and Talis did. Keep doing what you're doing If I'm wrong neither of us is going to get shot and we're both happy, aren't we? :p | ||
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I don't know if there was cheating involved to be honest. Besides the Xsebt thing of course, which turned out to be red check on a miller FML. As s&b said VE, Zeph and Hassy got killed in a normal way. The only reason Hassy survived so long was because people thought he's risking getting modkilled, which isn't exactly a mafiatrait. Jingle on the other hand wasn't much of a topic until recently, so that may have looked weird. I know Eran considered him to be mafia ever since n1 or d1 but other than that not a lot of people (s&b actually as well I think) but noone said it openly in the thread. I'd actually say there was no cheating involved but I obviously can't know. Also I'm kind of trusting that people are not abusing these kind of things to begin with. I know Talis likes to play it way more techy than the rest of us but even he only did it after he got killed. I doubt the rest even considered it a possibility. I didn't know QT's a google-searchable until I saw that PM. Maybe I'm just naive though. Other than that. Sorry for not playing that good I somehow manage to always decide on the wrong ones in BCs game... It's not even funny. If you check the logs with eran I basicly tell him it's WBG + Prplhz or VE + one of the two if one flips green and Zeph + Talis + Hassy, which turned out to be 50/50 correct at least but I obviously lynched into the 3 townies first 8( | ||
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On August 17 2012 22:33 Zephirdd wrote: The QT thing is totally my fault. It's not strictly cheating to find it - we are under the chance of things like that occuring. I just think it's not cool for the game, and it would be better if people didn't even try to find QTs like that >,< also, the Xsebt thing was sad It should be considered cheating if you're trying to find it though... That has nothing to do with what we're doing here. No matter if it's a QT, an irc-channel that some people forgot to make invite-only or whatever else, those things happen and I haven't heard of anyone actually finding the mafia hide-out although it would have been possible. Trying to find holes like this on purpose just sucks. Pretty sure one of my most recent games I played had a rule like that included as well. | ||
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On August 17 2012 22:56 GMarshal wrote: If you do this, you'll never ever find out about glaring things like qts being searchable, because people will be afraid of being accused of cheating, and people who would abuse it will continue to abuse it without ever mentioning it. Sure it sucks, but you aren't going to stop the people who are going to try to find holes from looking for them, you're only going to stop the people who would come out about it from doing so. Yeah guess so | ||
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On August 18 2012 03:28 BroodKingEXE wrote: About the QT maybe Skype groups might work. yeah thought about that myself. The only thing that really gets in the way of that is someone clicking the wrong guy and sending a message to someone who's in the same game you're in but not mafia as well, but that'd be your own fault :p Other than that, I guess changing your nick in QT's, telling people who everyone is via pm's and only talking about people using those fakenicks should probably work as well, shouldn't it? | ||
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On August 18 2012 04:46 strongandbig wrote: or you could just be careful not to let your qt get googled. what's the reason it was google-search-able? Because Zephirdd forgot to set it to secret? So if everyone sets it to secret it's not possible? | ||
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