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On August 03 2012 10:41 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 10:36 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 10:34 prplhz wrote:
And we're off.
This is a 23 player game and I will not be able to handle it if there is a 130 page spamfest between a couple of people before night1. Seriously, condense your god damn posting. That said, there's also a couple of new/newer people on the list. You guys remember to post your thoughts and stuff on the game. No one here bites. Do you bite if we ask nicely? Zephirdd, don't you think there's danger of an early bandwagon voting with no cause like that? It's hard to defend yourself against a vote for no reason. FoS Zephirdd What. If you really think an early bandwagon would come from a vote like that, then you are silly. He doesn't even have to defend himself against non-existant accusations. ##unvote
##vote JingleHell
Zephirdd's change from one unfounded vote to another tells me that
1. He doesn't care who is lynched
2. He doesn't feel comfortable dealing with pressure, so he fires back on jinglehell counterproductively.
On August 03 2012 20:02 Zephirdd wrote:
Masoned players should claim IMO.
masons themselves shouldn't unless that would save his life.
toad, why improvise? Are you feeling some kind of pressure that stops you from making a decent post?
On August 03 2012 20:27 Zephirdd wrote:
What you said makes sense. Mason'd people shouldnt claim :s
wbg mason does sound scary too
Another example of an unsubstantiated position-taking. After a legit response from toad, another switch.
He sounds way too meek in the latter quote.
Any objections/further evidence backed by specific evidence? Cause I'm leaning toward voting zephirdd.
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On August 04 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 08:19 CountDropula wrote:On August 03 2012 10:41 Zephirdd wrote:On August 03 2012 10:36 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 10:34 prplhz wrote:
And we're off.
This is a 23 player game and I will not be able to handle it if there is a 130 page spamfest between a couple of people before night1. Seriously, condense your god damn posting. That said, there's also a couple of new/newer people on the list. You guys remember to post your thoughts and stuff on the game. No one here bites. Do you bite if we ask nicely? Zephirdd, don't you think there's danger of an early bandwagon voting with no cause like that? It's hard to defend yourself against a vote for no reason. FoS Zephirdd What. If you really think an early bandwagon would come from a vote like that, then you are silly. He doesn't even have to defend himself against non-existant accusations. ##unvote
##vote JingleHell Zephirdd's change from one unfounded vote to another tells me that 1. He doesn't care who is lynched 2. He doesn't feel comfortable dealing with pressure, so he fires back on jinglehell counterproductively. On August 03 2012 20:02 Zephirdd wrote:
Masoned players should claim IMO.
masons themselves shouldn't unless that would save his life.
toad, why improvise? Are you feeling some kind of pressure that stops you from making a decent post? On August 03 2012 20:27 Zephirdd wrote:
What you said makes sense. Mason'd people shouldnt claim :s
wbg mason does sound scary too
Another example of an unsubstantiated position-taking. After a legit response from toad, another switch. He sounds way too meek in the latter quote. Any objections/further evidence backed by specific evidence? Cause I'm leaning toward voting zephirdd. I just noticed this gem. Finally that paid off. Let me explain it to you. It was 5min into the game. I didn't even bother casting those votes on the voting thread. Why? Because they didn't matter, and I'd change them later anyway. It's not that I don't care, it's just that by creating a stupid vote, you take reactions from people. People like you, who is trying to take something as silly as that as an excuse to vote me, when in fact there is nothing there that makes me scum. I'm not afraid of having opinions change, as no town should be. My opinions did change quickly - and that's pretty damn common for a town player. You are creating bullshit reasoning to jump into the wagon easily. Nice first post scum. ##unvote (talismania)
##vote CountDropula
Your burst of emotion is suspicious. If your play in the first 5 min paid off, why are you continuing the same behavior in the very response where you out it to the thread? Isn't it over?
You never mentioned my second point in your response.
I'm not the only one who is suspicious of you, but I don't know about a bandwagon. Just give everyone some concrete defense, we will determine that you are green, and this won't take up any more time.
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I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide.
Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change.
For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case.
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On August 05 2012 12:15 BroodKingEXE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 03:16 CountDropula wrote:
I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide.
Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change.
For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case. When you get back can you shed some light on your WBG vote? Up to this post you had only mentioned Zephirdd. Funny post considering you (and I) were basically inactive up to that point.
I felt my votes on Talismania and wbg were too based on cherry picking and jumping the gun. The reason I didn't vote for zephirdd even though I had only mentioned him is that I'd like to back up my suspicions of him more thoroughly. Did not mason. Hope that helps.
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Not a smurf, I'm new.
Changing votes like that was a mistake. Honestly i was too hasty, and that's it.
Made a mistake, but is it really that suspicious?
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On August 05 2012 18:03 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 03:16 CountDropula wrote:
I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide.
Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change.
For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case. quoting for fans of irony everywhere
Some people are even less active than I am, believe it or not.
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On August 06 2012 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, kinda changed my mind and I'm actually starting to like the kill-grush plan. It's impossible to get a read in him anyway if he is going to play like this. Also, a big bonus is that WBG should be somewhat confirmed town if he flips scum.
As for Dropula, his only defense against all of my suspicion was that he was inexperienced and that it was all a mistake. This can be explained in 2 ways.
1. He is inexperienced.
2. He is scum.
If he is town he will most likely be left by scum unless he improves his play by an miraculously amount. If he is scum... Then he is scum.
For all Vigis, I hope you shot these guys tonight, as lynching them tomorrow will not really generate any discussion if they keep on playing like they've done so far.
Which explanation do you like best? Inexperience or scum?
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On August 06 2012 06:13 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 05:56 CountDropula wrote:On August 06 2012 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
Okay, kinda changed my mind and I'm actually starting to like the kill-grush plan. It's impossible to get a read in him anyway if he is going to play like this. Also, a big bonus is that WBG should be somewhat confirmed town if he flips scum.
As for Dropula, his only defense against all of my suspicion was that he was inexperienced and that it was all a mistake. This can be explained in 2 ways.
1. He is inexperienced.
2. He is scum.
If he is town he will most likely be left by scum unless he improves his play by an miraculously amount. If he is scum... Then he is scum.
For all Vigis, I hope you shot these guys tonight, as lynching them tomorrow will not really generate any discussion if they keep on playing like they've done so far.
Which explanation do you like best? Inexperience or scum? Lolwut. Well, since I want to lynch you I'd much rather prefer you to be scum : ). You aren't helping town at all atm. If the only defense you have is the noob card then you must die. Preferably sooner than later. Unless you do some actual scum hunting, which it doesn't look like you are trying to. If you do not get shot tonight you will have 48 hours to convince me and everyone else why you shouldn't be the one to be lynched * hint * make some analysis * hint *.
U mad?
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Zephirdd, it's time. I'm calling you out.
This post is not me bashing you as a player. I'm picking up on general trends in your play and and using our interaction as an extended example. It's written in the second person because I'm confident you will crack under the pressure. You know this too, don't you? 
Zeph. You don't think I read your previous games before our confrontation on d1? You were all about facts and concrete arguments in normal mini mafia 2. So when I tried acting level-headed and nooby (the profile of someone I think your town-self would be comfortable with) to gauge if you were the same town Zeph from that game, you acted in the exact opposite way town Zeph would have. Everything you have against me is against me personally.
On August 04 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 08:19 CountDropula wrote:On August 03 2012 10:41 Zephirdd wrote:On August 03 2012 10:36 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 10:34 prplhz wrote:
And we're off.
This is a 23 player game and I will not be able to handle it if there is a 130 page spamfest between a couple of people before night1. Seriously, condense your god damn posting. That said, there's also a couple of new/newer people on the list. You guys remember to post your thoughts and stuff on the game. No one here bites. Do you bite if we ask nicely? Zephirdd, don't you think there's danger of an early bandwagon voting with no cause like that? It's hard to defend yourself against a vote for no reason. FoS Zephirdd What. If you really think an early bandwagon would come from a vote like that, then you are silly. He doesn't even have to defend himself against non-existant accusations. ##unvote
##vote JingleHell Zephirdd's change from one unfounded vote to another tells me that 1. He doesn't care who is lynched 2. He doesn't feel comfortable dealing with pressure, so he fires back on jinglehell counterproductively. On August 03 2012 20:02 Zephirdd wrote:
Masoned players should claim IMO.
masons themselves shouldn't unless that would save his life.
toad, why improvise? Are you feeling some kind of pressure that stops you from making a decent post? On August 03 2012 20:27 Zephirdd wrote:
What you said makes sense. Mason'd people shouldnt claim :s
wbg mason does sound scary too
Another example of an unsubstantiated position-taking. After a legit response from toad, another switch. He sounds way too meek in the latter quote. Any objections/further evidence backed by specific evidence? Cause I'm leaning toward voting zephirdd. I just noticed this gem. Finally that paid off. Let me explain it to you. It was 5min into the game. I didn't even bother casting those votes on the voting thread. Why? Because they didn't matter, and I'd change them later anyway. It's not that I don't care, it's just that by creating a stupid vote, you take reactions from people. People like you, who is trying to take something as silly as that as an excuse to vote me, when in fact there is nothing there that makes me scum. I'm not afraid of having opinions change, as no town should be. My opinions did change quickly - and that's pretty damn common for a town player. You are creating bullshit reasoning to jump into the wagon easily. Nice first post scum. ##unvote (talismania)
##vote CountDropula
Little did you know, I was the one baiting YOU. Your first posts looked suspicious, but I wasn't sure yet, so I tried to elicit some kind of response. You then validated my suspicion. You blinked first and outed your "plan" to the thread. You weren't being patient. Your goal was not to build a case. Your goal was to make an excuse for the sake of your appearance.
This whole game, all your posts have done is feed the chaos. You don't focus. Examples.
On August 05 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote:
Hm, thats a lot of shit to skim through since my last post. Holy shit. erandorr/wbg logs are just a crapload of fuckity fuck. ghost_404(I see wat you did ther rastaban) was replaced by the one guy that I found to be scum last game. then there is both talismania and prplhz cases, but nobody cared enough about CountDropula I guess.
talismania's filter - summarized nicely by BKEXE - is terrible. He was helpful during the "discussion that everyone can take any instance and still be town" phase, but not after.
I am not sure about prplhz... I guess he is a decent lynch tho, he did go afk out of nowhere, and last time I saw him doing that he was scum. He's not the kind of guy who just "goes" away.
Well, consolidating votes won't hurt, right? I still want to go back to CD on the future.
You are saying nothing.
Ok now this is interesting. Calling town reads a scummy move, yet posting town reads.
On August 04 2012 05:43 Zephirdd wrote:So I decided to actually read stuff properly now. Talismania first post containing "Glasse" is: Show nested quote +On August 03 2012 23:51 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse? (That was after hopeless1der voted him) His second post is exactly the same. The next instance is asking toad his instance on 4 people including Glasse Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. Then he mirrors a player that has shown a case, throw a bunch of unnecessary town reads(nobody asked that, why do it) and after some fluff he says Glasse was "hilariously obviously scummy" without giving true reasoning(ie. giving a post and explaining why that was a scum post). Then he is rolefishing "for his own amusement". Hmm maybe people weren't wrong about questioning his plans on the beginning.
On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote:
"not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing?
wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them.
VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role.
Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum.
Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions.
prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread.
Everything else is a null tell.
I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't.
Deal with it.
Your play is getting worse. This last post is swiss cheese. Full of holes.
On August 06 2012 23:37 Zephirdd wrote:'sup folks. Busy sunday yesterday. Didn't read much, so I didn't post. I'm still re-reading some stuff, but I'll post some of my thoughts right now. The obvious one, CountDropula: 1. Uses terrible arguments to jump into my bandwagon: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=22#436He is using my random votings from 3-5minutes into the day as reasoning to vote me. He is using my change of instances based on someone's else opinion as reasoning to vote me. Neither of these are scum traits, nor do they push scum agendas.It's entirely reasonable that a town player would change opinions within two posts, given that someone gives the proper arguments. Random voting someone for the sake of random voting, 5 minutes into the day, is pretty much a bait for scum. A real town would look at that and realize it's not a reason to push someone; It means NOTHING action-wise. Yet, he uses it to make my wagon gain strength. Granted, he never voted me; which is even worse: if you have a suspicion on someone, why would you not vote him? 2. Appeal to emotion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=23#459(From Ace's thread on how-to-play-scum: a good scum trait is provoking emotion out of town) I don't know where did he pull that I had a burst of emotion. Besides, why bring it up at all? Again, it's one of these traits that don't determine someone's alignment - in fact, I'd argue it's much more likely that a town player show a burst of emotion than a scum player. Then he pulls some bullshit "You never answered XXX" when I answered everything. And I even said more a few posts later. He never counter-argued. Then he calls for some "concrete defense" when he nevers says what about my defense is not concrete. Simply put, he is throwing loaded(and VERY loaded) sentences to try and break me down. How the f* does someone give a "concrete defense" on this game? Fucking no one can do that without being an Innocent Child or confirmed-town-dayvig. There is also these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=40#800http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=41#802These posts have no purpose except bringing emotion into the table and - hopefully for him - numbing people's judgement. This is pretty much a scum move. 3. Hypocrisy, blending in: Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 03:16 CountDropula wrote:
I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide.
Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change.
For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case. This makes him look good right, he is calling for people to post... He has two freakingly terrible posts that only talk about one subject and is calling for people to be activeThat's trying to blend in without putting effort into the game. He is a lurker himself and is calling lurkers out. The more he post, the scummier he looks to me. Well, his first post is red as fuck already, but he is just being worse over time. So yeah, I'll keep reading stuff but my vote is on him already. ##Vote CountDropulaPlease don't ignore this guy.
This is such a complete contradiction of your town play that it's absolutely ridiculous.
Here is a post from normal mini mafia II.
On July 07 2012 13:12 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 13:04 Sinensis wrote:On July 07 2012 12:58 Zephirdd wrote:On July 07 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote:
Okay, I'm caught up:
sloosh, what are you doing? You vote wiggles with no explanation, people call you out for it, you change your vote to me with no explanation at first, people call you out for it, then your explanation is that I was your first suspicion (even though you randomly voted wiggles first?) because my posting is mechanical? My posting is mechanical and that's why I'm scummy, maybe you could elaborate on that. Even though you seem to have changed your mind again to prplhz before I responded to you. Are you just jumping on the easiest target every time? What's the deal?
Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL."
I am going to go with gut for my day one vote. Zephirdd's posting is the scummiest right now in my opinion. He spends a lot of his time telling other, presumably town players, how to play. Something mafia can't seem to resist doing in most of the games I play. He is stating mostly FACTS (people talking like they know something for certain are suspicious because only mafia have FACTS) and very little speculation.
As for everyone who is suspicious of me for lurking, you're right, it's suspicious, my bad. I work during the day (USEAST) and can't post till night usually. Expect my posts then, like I'm doing now. If anyone has any questions for me now is a good time I will be around.
##vote: Zephirdd Alright, there are a couple of wrong things here. 1. Calls sloosh out, yet considers me the scummiest target 2. Says prplhz has gotten too much negative attention. Can you tell me it is possible to give him a positive trait to his play? No you can't. Because there is NO positive trait to his play so far. He's gotten a lot of negative attention because that's what his play warrants - and you agree with this on your very last sentence. In fact, his lynch has actually gotten an awfully lot of resistance, more than I would like. 3. Reasoning for me being scum is bullshit and does not warrant a vote. I posted an awful lot for day 1 this game, so if you want to point out specific points in my play, do it and I'll counter anything you have. I've stated things with certainty, because that's what I believe to be true. Stating things as FACTS means being certain of yourself. Maybe they are wrong later, who cares. What's important is that I'm decisive in what I say, and I should be held accountable to that later. Also, I love how it took you 39mins to arrive at the conclusion that I am scum, when you are behind 10 pages. Will want to hear more from you. 1. Well, at least you can read. 2. I stand by what I said. 3. "Your reason is bullshit because it's bullshit." Good job. As I said, I posted an awfully lot. Point me what is scummy specifically, and I'll point out why it is not scummy. Additionally, I added reasoning for stating things with certainty. That alone should show why it's a bad argument to vote me for that. Also, I just realized I kinda read your third paragraph wrongly. I thought you were complaining that I was posting with certainty, but you're complaining that I am mostly stating "facts" instead of "speculation". Guess what, speculating stuff is terrible =_= Oh I think you are mafia oh maybe you are town! No. I look at what people post, and define scum or town according to what they do. Then, I state a FACT and use it to prove that someone is SCUM. In fact, my spreadsheet right now only has facts, and these facts help me determine an alignment. Playing under speculations is a bad way to play imo. Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 13:08 Sinensis wrote:
Yeah, and I don't think he'd post like that as mafia. I don't think anyone would. I don't know how else you want me to explain it to you but I believe what I believe and if you take a look at my history in TL games, it's usually pretty hard to change my mind once I've made it up. Won't even bother rebutting then :|
No compulsion to go crazy in response to suspicion because you are town in this game. In Mad Men, you say that nothing is concrete because you don't want it to be. You thrive on chaos.
And another one from normal mini. Note the importance he places on facts.
On July 07 2012 13:50 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +I knew you'd go quote a bunch of stuff unrelated to what we were talking about and ennumerate them as bolded FACTS WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT WHAT WAHT AWHTAW THAW HT ATA THSDDS What the fuck. How. What. I need a break. Look. Can you define a fact in simple terms? I can: it's something that can't be denied. I posted facts. I literally pointed the obvious. Things that cannot be denied. These things made me infer that someone is scum - scumhuntingI have not seen you pointing out facts about me. I have not seen you pointing out things that can't be denied, specifically, the way I'm doing to an actual candidate. Do you think your vote on me has any chance of gaining any traction to form into a lynch? If you think so, I think you are wrong because your case is substantially weak when compared to what I point out about the actual candidate. If you don't think so, then why are you even bothering with me? I need a break. I'll grab some beer. Watch EVO. and go to sleep. Don't wait my answers until tomorrow at ~00KST(which should be noon for me).
Day and night.
All you are posting in this game is speculative, your case against me is not complete and irrefutable - actually it's the opposite since its based on so little. Town Zeph would never have done this. This is expected from a lazy scum case. Same thing with that "minicase" on talismania. It's well below the standard of your previous town game.
You voted me at 8.59 August 4. I had one post at the time. one. Ever since then you've been pushing me as scum. How can you draw a conclusion like that from nothing? You know something we don't, and you were trying to create a distraction from more relevant issues.
If you respond with a crazy belligerent post you just lynched yourself. Honestly you are dead with any response you make, because you are so irredeemably bad at playing scum that you will make a mistake and I will pick you apart with it.
Now who's the noob scum?
Guys, don't bury this post. Please give it serious thought, cause I've got a really strong read on this guy. If I'm wrong about this, I deserve to be lynched. Get this guy into the spotlight and he will crack.
Please. Lets lynch Zephirdd and start killing mafia.
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On August 07 2012 02:08 talismania wrote:CountDropula I'm going to read and respond to your case, will you read mine? + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 00:56 CountDropula wrote:Zephirdd, it's time. I'm calling you out. This post is not me bashing you as a player. I'm picking up on general trends in your play and and using our interaction as an extended example. It's written in the second person because I'm confident you will crack under the pressure. You know this too, don't you? Zeph. You don't think I read your previous games before our confrontation on d1? You were all about facts and concrete arguments in normal mini mafia 2. So when I tried acting level-headed and nooby (the profile of someone I think your town-self would be comfortable with) to gauge if you were the same town Zeph from that game, you acted in the exact opposite way town Zeph would have. Everything you have against me is against me personally. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote:On August 04 2012 08:19 CountDropula wrote:On August 03 2012 10:41 Zephirdd wrote:On August 03 2012 10:36 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 10:34 prplhz wrote:
And we're off.
This is a 23 player game and I will not be able to handle it if there is a 130 page spamfest between a couple of people before night1. Seriously, condense your god damn posting. That said, there's also a couple of new/newer people on the list. You guys remember to post your thoughts and stuff on the game. No one here bites. Do you bite if we ask nicely? Zephirdd, don't you think there's danger of an early bandwagon voting with no cause like that? It's hard to defend yourself against a vote for no reason. FoS Zephirdd What. If you really think an early bandwagon would come from a vote like that, then you are silly. He doesn't even have to defend himself against non-existant accusations. ##unvote
##vote JingleHell Zephirdd's change from one unfounded vote to another tells me that 1. He doesn't care who is lynched 2. He doesn't feel comfortable dealing with pressure, so he fires back on jinglehell counterproductively. On August 03 2012 20:02 Zephirdd wrote:
Masoned players should claim IMO.
masons themselves shouldn't unless that would save his life.
toad, why improvise? Are you feeling some kind of pressure that stops you from making a decent post? On August 03 2012 20:27 Zephirdd wrote:
What you said makes sense. Mason'd people shouldnt claim :s
wbg mason does sound scary too
Another example of an unsubstantiated position-taking. After a legit response from toad, another switch. He sounds way too meek in the latter quote. Any objections/further evidence backed by specific evidence? Cause I'm leaning toward voting zephirdd. I just noticed this gem. Finally that paid off. Let me explain it to you. It was 5min into the game. I didn't even bother casting those votes on the voting thread. Why? Because they didn't matter, and I'd change them later anyway. It's not that I don't care, it's just that by creating a stupid vote, you take reactions from people. People like you, who is trying to take something as silly as that as an excuse to vote me, when in fact there is nothing there that makes me scum. I'm not afraid of having opinions change, as no town should be. My opinions did change quickly - and that's pretty damn common for a town player. You are creating bullshit reasoning to jump into the wagon easily. Nice first post scum. ##unvote (talismania)
##vote CountDropula Little did you know, I was the one baiting YOU. Your first posts looked suspicious, but I wasn't sure yet, so I tried to elicit some kind of response. You then validated my suspicion. You blinked first and outed your "plan" to the thread. You weren't being patient. Your goal was not to build a case. Your goal was to make an excuse for the sake of your appearance. This whole game, all your posts have done is feed the chaos. You don't focus. Examples. Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote:
Hm, thats a lot of shit to skim through since my last post. Holy shit. erandorr/wbg logs are just a crapload of fuckity fuck. ghost_404(I see wat you did ther rastaban) was replaced by the one guy that I found to be scum last game. then there is both talismania and prplhz cases, but nobody cared enough about CountDropula I guess.
talismania's filter - summarized nicely by BKEXE - is terrible. He was helpful during the "discussion that everyone can take any instance and still be town" phase, but not after.
I am not sure about prplhz... I guess he is a decent lynch tho, he did go afk out of nowhere, and last time I saw him doing that he was scum. He's not the kind of guy who just "goes" away.
Well, consolidating votes won't hurt, right? I still want to go back to CD on the future. You are saying nothing. Ok now this is interesting. Calling town reads a scummy move, yet posting town reads. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 05:43 Zephirdd wrote:So I decided to actually read stuff properly now. Talismania first post containing "Glasse" is: On August 03 2012 23:51 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse? (That was after hopeless1der voted him) His second post is exactly the same. The next instance is asking toad his instance on 4 people including Glasse On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. Then he mirrors a player that has shown a case, throw a bunch of unnecessary town reads(nobody asked that, why do it) and after some fluff he says Glasse was "hilariously obviously scummy" without giving true reasoning(ie. giving a post and explaining why that was a scum post). Then he is rolefishing "for his own amusement". Hmm maybe people weren't wrong about questioning his plans on the beginning. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote:
"not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing?
wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them.
VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role.
Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum.
Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions.
prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread.
Everything else is a null tell.
I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't.
Deal with it. Your play is getting worse. This last post is swiss cheese. Full of holes. Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:37 Zephirdd wrote:'sup folks. Busy sunday yesterday. Didn't read much, so I didn't post. I'm still re-reading some stuff, but I'll post some of my thoughts right now. The obvious one, CountDropula: 1. Uses terrible arguments to jump into my bandwagon: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=22#436He is using my random votings from 3-5minutes into the day as reasoning to vote me. He is using my change of instances based on someone's else opinion as reasoning to vote me. Neither of these are scum traits, nor do they push scum agendas.It's entirely reasonable that a town player would change opinions within two posts, given that someone gives the proper arguments. Random voting someone for the sake of random voting, 5 minutes into the day, is pretty much a bait for scum. A real town would look at that and realize it's not a reason to push someone; It means NOTHING action-wise. Yet, he uses it to make my wagon gain strength. Granted, he never voted me; which is even worse: if you have a suspicion on someone, why would you not vote him? 2. Appeal to emotion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=23#459(From Ace's thread on how-to-play-scum: a good scum trait is provoking emotion out of town) I don't know where did he pull that I had a burst of emotion. Besides, why bring it up at all? Again, it's one of these traits that don't determine someone's alignment - in fact, I'd argue it's much more likely that a town player show a burst of emotion than a scum player. Then he pulls some bullshit "You never answered XXX" when I answered everything. And I even said more a few posts later. He never counter-argued. Then he calls for some "concrete defense" when he nevers says what about my defense is not concrete. Simply put, he is throwing loaded(and VERY loaded) sentences to try and break me down. How the f* does someone give a "concrete defense" on this game? Fucking no one can do that without being an Innocent Child or confirmed-town-dayvig. There is also these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=40#800http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=41#802These posts have no purpose except bringing emotion into the table and - hopefully for him - numbing people's judgement. This is pretty much a scum move. 3. Hypocrisy, blending in: On August 05 2012 03:16 CountDropula wrote:
I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide.
Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change.
For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case. This makes him look good right, he is calling for people to post... He has two freakingly terrible posts that only talk about one subject and is calling for people to be activeThat's trying to blend in without putting effort into the game. He is a lurker himself and is calling lurkers out. The more he post, the scummier he looks to me. Well, his first post is red as fuck already, but he is just being worse over time. So yeah, I'll keep reading stuff but my vote is on him already. ##Vote CountDropulaPlease don't ignore this guy. This is such a complete contradiction of your town play that it's absolutely ridiculous. Here is a post from normal mini mafia II. Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 13:12 Zephirdd wrote:On July 07 2012 13:04 Sinensis wrote:On July 07 2012 12:58 Zephirdd wrote:On July 07 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote:
Okay, I'm caught up:
sloosh, what are you doing? You vote wiggles with no explanation, people call you out for it, you change your vote to me with no explanation at first, people call you out for it, then your explanation is that I was your first suspicion (even though you randomly voted wiggles first?) because my posting is mechanical? My posting is mechanical and that's why I'm scummy, maybe you could elaborate on that. Even though you seem to have changed your mind again to prplhz before I responded to you. Are you just jumping on the easiest target every time? What's the deal?
Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL."
I am going to go with gut for my day one vote. Zephirdd's posting is the scummiest right now in my opinion. He spends a lot of his time telling other, presumably town players, how to play. Something mafia can't seem to resist doing in most of the games I play. He is stating mostly FACTS (people talking like they know something for certain are suspicious because only mafia have FACTS) and very little speculation.
As for everyone who is suspicious of me for lurking, you're right, it's suspicious, my bad. I work during the day (USEAST) and can't post till night usually. Expect my posts then, like I'm doing now. If anyone has any questions for me now is a good time I will be around.
##vote: Zephirdd Alright, there are a couple of wrong things here. 1. Calls sloosh out, yet considers me the scummiest target 2. Says prplhz has gotten too much negative attention. Can you tell me it is possible to give him a positive trait to his play? No you can't. Because there is NO positive trait to his play so far. He's gotten a lot of negative attention because that's what his play warrants - and you agree with this on your very last sentence. In fact, his lynch has actually gotten an awfully lot of resistance, more than I would like. 3. Reasoning for me being scum is bullshit and does not warrant a vote. I posted an awful lot for day 1 this game, so if you want to point out specific points in my play, do it and I'll counter anything you have. I've stated things with certainty, because that's what I believe to be true. Stating things as FACTS means being certain of yourself. Maybe they are wrong later, who cares. What's important is that I'm decisive in what I say, and I should be held accountable to that later. Also, I love how it took you 39mins to arrive at the conclusion that I am scum, when you are behind 10 pages. Will want to hear more from you. 1. Well, at least you can read. 2. I stand by what I said. 3. "Your reason is bullshit because it's bullshit." Good job. As I said, I posted an awfully lot. Point me what is scummy specifically, and I'll point out why it is not scummy. Additionally, I added reasoning for stating things with certainty. That alone should show why it's a bad argument to vote me for that. Also, I just realized I kinda read your third paragraph wrongly. I thought you were complaining that I was posting with certainty, but you're complaining that I am mostly stating "facts" instead of "speculation". Guess what, speculating stuff is terrible =_= Oh I think you are mafia oh maybe you are town! No. I look at what people post, and define scum or town according to what they do. Then, I state a FACT and use it to prove that someone is SCUM. In fact, my spreadsheet right now only has facts, and these facts help me determine an alignment. Playing under speculations is a bad way to play imo. On July 07 2012 13:08 Sinensis wrote:
Yeah, and I don't think he'd post like that as mafia. I don't think anyone would. I don't know how else you want me to explain it to you but I believe what I believe and if you take a look at my history in TL games, it's usually pretty hard to change my mind once I've made it up. Won't even bother rebutting then :| No compulsion to go crazy in response to suspicion because you are town in this game. In Mad Men, you say that nothing is concrete because you don't want it to be. You thrive on chaos. And another one from normal mini. Note the importance he places on facts. Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 13:50 Zephirdd wrote:I knew you'd go quote a bunch of stuff unrelated to what we were talking about and ennumerate them as bolded FACTS WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT WHAT WAHT AWHTAW THAW HT ATA THSDDS What the fuck. How. What. I need a break. Look. Can you define a fact in simple terms? I can: it's something that can't be denied. I posted facts. I literally pointed the obvious. Things that cannot be denied. These things made me infer that someone is scum - scumhuntingI have not seen you pointing out facts about me. I have not seen you pointing out things that can't be denied, specifically, the way I'm doing to an actual candidate. Do you think your vote on me has any chance of gaining any traction to form into a lynch? If you think so, I think you are wrong because your case is substantially weak when compared to what I point out about the actual candidate. If you don't think so, then why are you even bothering with me? I need a break. I'll grab some beer. Watch EVO. and go to sleep. Don't wait my answers until tomorrow at ~00KST(which should be noon for me). Day and night. All you are posting in this game is speculative, your case against me is not complete and irrefutable - actually it's the opposite since its based on so little. Town Zeph would never have done this. This is expected from a lazy scum case. Same thing with that "minicase" on talismania. It's well below the standard of your previous town game. You voted me at 8.59 August 4. I had one post at the time. one. Ever since then you've been pushing me as scum. How can you draw a conclusion like that from nothing? You know something we don't, and you were trying to create a distraction from more relevant issues. If you respond with a crazy belligerent post you just lynched yourself. Honestly you are dead with any response you make, because you are so irredeemably bad at playing scum that you will make a mistake and I will pick you apart with it. Now who's the noob scum? Guys, don't bury this post. Please give it serious thought, cause I've got a really strong read on this guy. If I'm wrong about this, I deserve to be lynched. Get this guy into the spotlight and he will crack. Please. Lets lynch Zephirdd and start killing mafia. Ok so this stuff doesn't quite add up. If I follow, what you're saying is that in reading Zephirdd's posts, you thought he might be scum early on. You then went to research previous games of his. After researching it, you noticed that zephirdd was "comfortable" with people that acted "level-headed and nooby". So first question, 1) Can you give us an example from that game of someone acting "level-headed and nooby" and then zephirdd reacting by being "comfortable" with them? You then decided to lay a trap for him. You yourself would act level-headed and nooby by making a case against him, to see how he would respond. He then snaps back at you, and you call this scummy because he didn't wait to build a case on you with other information. Ok I follow that even though it's kind of a stretch. But this is where things go off for me You've laid a trap based on eliciting a particular meta-response He falls for it You... vote for wbg, ninja switch to me, ninja switch to prp, meekly say "oh my votes were kind of rash and jumping the gun. It's a mistake but is it really suspicious?" (paraphrase). Well ok let me think this through. Perhaps it still holds consistency. After all you are accusing zeph for being scummy by springing a trap too early. You had yours, but you didn't want to spring it yet because you wanted more time to build a case. I can sort of buy that. You then accuse him of "feeding the chaos". Personally I don't really see this at all. Has anyone else felt that zephirdd has made this game chaotic? I haven't. The point about calling town reads scummy and posting town reads is a stretch. He's talking about me being scummy because I posted several town reads without explanation. That's different from saying that it's outright scummy to post a town read at all. I think this is confirmation bias looking for more evidence. Next, you can't just say "this post is swiss cheese. Full of holes" and not point out what the holes are. I mean you should give his case an honest response, not just dismiss it out of hand. The last part you should also spell out more. Like you're stating a meta-difference from NMM II to now but you're sort of stating it and going "here, see?" but I'm too obtuse to figure out what exactly is different.
1) Can you give us an example from that game of someone acting "level-headed and nooby" and then zephirdd reacting by being "comfortable" with them?
Yes. I define "level-headed and nooby" as taking an honest and simple look at information and raising a question.
Here is a post with this tone from NMMII. It's directed at Zeph.
On July 06 2012 11:30 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 11:27 Zephirdd wrote:
My opinion is that going "besides everyone's usual fill of Policy Lynch is bad" is cutting on the discussion and reducing the potential subjects for dicussing, thus reducing the potential to scumhunting. Who wants to avoid scumhunters? scum.
Bluelightz, you're scum? It's just from my expierience that when someone start's a discussion about policy lynches everyone always think it's bad so therefore I just cut to the chase and get started with scum hunting.
This is how he responds.
On July 06 2012 11:32 Zephirdd wrote:
you're not cutting to the chase, having that part of the discussion is great. Even if people agree, the way they do it is what matters.
However, if they don't even need to do it, we wouldn't find their "way" and we wouldn't have useful information for scumhunting in the first place.
No outburst or finger pointing. Zeph shows lots of discomfort when dealing with this kind of tone in Mad Men though.
2. You... vote for wbg, ninja switch to me, ninja switch to prp, meekly say "oh my votes were kind of rash and jumping the gun. It's a mistake but is it really suspicious?" (paraphrase).
A single thread post isn't all that visible, but voting thread posts? Can't bury those too well. And the frequent "typos"? Smiley among bold text = cant miss it. I got lots of reactions from that.
You then accuse him of "feeding the chaos". Personally I don't really see this at all. Has anyone else felt that zephirdd has made this game chaotic? I haven't.
-He is not pro-town. Not at all. No one thought I was a serious issue; he tried to make a case out of one post and is still trying to make something out of nothing.
-And that "mini case" on you? His insta-vote of you turns into an actual case even though he says it means nothing?
-And posting that list of lurkers. Noncommittal.
3. The point about calling town reads scummy and posting town reads is a stretch. He's talking about me being scummy because I posted several town reads without explanation. That's different from saying that it's outright scummy to post a town read at all. I think this is confirmation bias looking for more evidence.
On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote:
"not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing?
wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them.
VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role.
Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum.
Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions.
prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread.
Everything else is a null tell.
I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't.
Deal with it.
No quotes, no nothing. This is a lazy post, and there is very little explanation. The "rationale" is all really broad statements. Super broad.
4. Next, you can't just say "this post is swiss cheese. Full of holes" and not point out what the holes are. I mean you should give his case an honest response, not just dismiss it out of hand.
The problem with the case is its inconsistency with Zeph's town posts. in NMMII As town, he wanted cold facts. Now he is emotional, and there is simply not enough evidence in his case on me to realistically be as sure as he is.
5. The last part you should also spell out more. Like you're stating a meta-difference from NMM II to now but you're sort of stating it and going "here, see?" but I'm too obtuse to figure out what exactly is different.[/QUOTE]
The difference is that in NMM he wants great proof before acting. He does not operate like that here.
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On August 07 2012 08:46 Zephirdd wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 07:25 CountDropula wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:08 talismania wrote:CountDropula I'm going to read and respond to your case, will you read mine? + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 00:56 CountDropula wrote:Zephirdd, it's time. I'm calling you out. This post is not me bashing you as a player. I'm picking up on general trends in your play and and using our interaction as an extended example. It's written in the second person because I'm confident you will crack under the pressure. You know this too, don't you? Zeph. You don't think I read your previous games before our confrontation on d1? You were all about facts and concrete arguments in normal mini mafia 2. So when I tried acting level-headed and nooby (the profile of someone I think your town-self would be comfortable with) to gauge if you were the same town Zeph from that game, you acted in the exact opposite way town Zeph would have. Everything you have against me is against me personally. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote:On August 04 2012 08:19 CountDropula wrote:On August 03 2012 10:41 Zephirdd wrote:On August 03 2012 10:36 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 10:34 prplhz wrote:
And we're off.
This is a 23 player game and I will not be able to handle it if there is a 130 page spamfest between a couple of people before night1. Seriously, condense your god damn posting. That said, there's also a couple of new/newer people on the list. You guys remember to post your thoughts and stuff on the game. No one here bites. Do you bite if we ask nicely? Zephirdd, don't you think there's danger of an early bandwagon voting with no cause like that? It's hard to defend yourself against a vote for no reason. FoS Zephirdd What. If you really think an early bandwagon would come from a vote like that, then you are silly. He doesn't even have to defend himself against non-existant accusations. ##unvote
##vote JingleHell Zephirdd's change from one unfounded vote to another tells me that 1. He doesn't care who is lynched 2. He doesn't feel comfortable dealing with pressure, so he fires back on jinglehell counterproductively. On August 03 2012 20:02 Zephirdd wrote:
Masoned players should claim IMO.
masons themselves shouldn't unless that would save his life.
toad, why improvise? Are you feeling some kind of pressure that stops you from making a decent post? On August 03 2012 20:27 Zephirdd wrote:
What you said makes sense. Mason'd people shouldnt claim :s
wbg mason does sound scary too
Another example of an unsubstantiated position-taking. After a legit response from toad, another switch. He sounds way too meek in the latter quote. Any objections/further evidence backed by specific evidence? Cause I'm leaning toward voting zephirdd. I just noticed this gem. Finally that paid off. Let me explain it to you. It was 5min into the game. I didn't even bother casting those votes on the voting thread. Why? Because they didn't matter, and I'd change them later anyway. It's not that I don't care, it's just that by creating a stupid vote, you take reactions from people. People like you, who is trying to take something as silly as that as an excuse to vote me, when in fact there is nothing there that makes me scum. I'm not afraid of having opinions change, as no town should be. My opinions did change quickly - and that's pretty damn common for a town player. You are creating bullshit reasoning to jump into the wagon easily. Nice first post scum. ##unvote (talismania)
##vote CountDropula Little did you know, I was the one baiting YOU. Your first posts looked suspicious, but I wasn't sure yet, so I tried to elicit some kind of response. You then validated my suspicion. You blinked first and outed your "plan" to the thread. You weren't being patient. Your goal was not to build a case. Your goal was to make an excuse for the sake of your appearance. This whole game, all your posts have done is feed the chaos. You don't focus. Examples. Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote:
Hm, thats a lot of shit to skim through since my last post. Holy shit. erandorr/wbg logs are just a crapload of fuckity fuck. ghost_404(I see wat you did ther rastaban) was replaced by the one guy that I found to be scum last game. then there is both talismania and prplhz cases, but nobody cared enough about CountDropula I guess.
talismania's filter - summarized nicely by BKEXE - is terrible. He was helpful during the "discussion that everyone can take any instance and still be town" phase, but not after.
I am not sure about prplhz... I guess he is a decent lynch tho, he did go afk out of nowhere, and last time I saw him doing that he was scum. He's not the kind of guy who just "goes" away.
Well, consolidating votes won't hurt, right? I still want to go back to CD on the future. You are saying nothing. Ok now this is interesting. Calling town reads a scummy move, yet posting town reads. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 05:43 Zephirdd wrote:So I decided to actually read stuff properly now. Talismania first post containing "Glasse" is: On August 03 2012 23:51 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse? (That was after hopeless1der voted him) His second post is exactly the same. The next instance is asking toad his instance on 4 people including Glasse On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. Then he mirrors a player that has shown a case, throw a bunch of unnecessary town reads(nobody asked that, why do it) and after some fluff he says Glasse was "hilariously obviously scummy" without giving true reasoning(ie. giving a post and explaining why that was a scum post). Then he is rolefishing "for his own amusement". Hmm maybe people weren't wrong about questioning his plans on the beginning. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote:
"not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing?
wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them.
VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role.
Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum.
Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions.
prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread.
Everything else is a null tell.
I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't.
Deal with it. Your play is getting worse. This last post is swiss cheese. Full of holes. Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:37 Zephirdd wrote:'sup folks. Busy sunday yesterday. Didn't read much, so I didn't post. I'm still re-reading some stuff, but I'll post some of my thoughts right now. The obvious one, CountDropula: 1. Uses terrible arguments to jump into my bandwagon: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=22#436He is using my random votings from 3-5minutes into the day as reasoning to vote me. He is using my change of instances based on someone's else opinion as reasoning to vote me. Neither of these are scum traits, nor do they push scum agendas.It's entirely reasonable that a town player would change opinions within two posts, given that someone gives the proper arguments. Random voting someone for the sake of random voting, 5 minutes into the day, is pretty much a bait for scum. A real town would look at that and realize it's not a reason to push someone; It means NOTHING action-wise. Yet, he uses it to make my wagon gain strength. Granted, he never voted me; which is even worse: if you have a suspicion on someone, why would you not vote him? 2. Appeal to emotion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=23#459(From Ace's thread on how-to-play-scum: a good scum trait is provoking emotion out of town) I don't know where did he pull that I had a burst of emotion. Besides, why bring it up at all? Again, it's one of these traits that don't determine someone's alignment - in fact, I'd argue it's much more likely that a town player show a burst of emotion than a scum player. Then he pulls some bullshit "You never answered XXX" when I answered everything. And I even said more a few posts later. He never counter-argued. Then he calls for some "concrete defense" when he nevers says what about my defense is not concrete. Simply put, he is throwing loaded(and VERY loaded) sentences to try and break me down. How the f* does someone give a "concrete defense" on this game? Fucking no one can do that without being an Innocent Child or confirmed-town-dayvig. There is also these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=40#800http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=41#802These posts have no purpose except bringing emotion into the table and - hopefully for him - numbing people's judgement. This is pretty much a scum move. 3. Hypocrisy, blending in: On August 05 2012 03:16 CountDropula wrote:
I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide.
Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change.
For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case. This makes him look good right, he is calling for people to post... He has two freakingly terrible posts that only talk about one subject and is calling for people to be activeThat's trying to blend in without putting effort into the game. He is a lurker himself and is calling lurkers out. The more he post, the scummier he looks to me. Well, his first post is red as fuck already, but he is just being worse over time. So yeah, I'll keep reading stuff but my vote is on him already. ##Vote CountDropulaPlease don't ignore this guy. This is such a complete contradiction of your town play that it's absolutely ridiculous. Here is a post from normal mini mafia II. Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 13:12 Zephirdd wrote:On July 07 2012 13:04 Sinensis wrote:On July 07 2012 12:58 Zephirdd wrote:On July 07 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote:
Okay, I'm caught up:
sloosh, what are you doing? You vote wiggles with no explanation, people call you out for it, you change your vote to me with no explanation at first, people call you out for it, then your explanation is that I was your first suspicion (even though you randomly voted wiggles first?) because my posting is mechanical? My posting is mechanical and that's why I'm scummy, maybe you could elaborate on that. Even though you seem to have changed your mind again to prplhz before I responded to you. Are you just jumping on the easiest target every time? What's the deal?
Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL."
I am going to go with gut for my day one vote. Zephirdd's posting is the scummiest right now in my opinion. He spends a lot of his time telling other, presumably town players, how to play. Something mafia can't seem to resist doing in most of the games I play. He is stating mostly FACTS (people talking like they know something for certain are suspicious because only mafia have FACTS) and very little speculation.
As for everyone who is suspicious of me for lurking, you're right, it's suspicious, my bad. I work during the day (USEAST) and can't post till night usually. Expect my posts then, like I'm doing now. If anyone has any questions for me now is a good time I will be around.
##vote: Zephirdd Alright, there are a couple of wrong things here. 1. Calls sloosh out, yet considers me the scummiest target 2. Says prplhz has gotten too much negative attention. Can you tell me it is possible to give him a positive trait to his play? No you can't. Because there is NO positive trait to his play so far. He's gotten a lot of negative attention because that's what his play warrants - and you agree with this on your very last sentence. In fact, his lynch has actually gotten an awfully lot of resistance, more than I would like. 3. Reasoning for me being scum is bullshit and does not warrant a vote. I posted an awful lot for day 1 this game, so if you want to point out specific points in my play, do it and I'll counter anything you have. I've stated things with certainty, because that's what I believe to be true. Stating things as FACTS means being certain of yourself. Maybe they are wrong later, who cares. What's important is that I'm decisive in what I say, and I should be held accountable to that later. Also, I love how it took you 39mins to arrive at the conclusion that I am scum, when you are behind 10 pages. Will want to hear more from you. 1. Well, at least you can read. 2. I stand by what I said. 3. "Your reason is bullshit because it's bullshit." Good job. As I said, I posted an awfully lot. Point me what is scummy specifically, and I'll point out why it is not scummy. Additionally, I added reasoning for stating things with certainty. That alone should show why it's a bad argument to vote me for that. Also, I just realized I kinda read your third paragraph wrongly. I thought you were complaining that I was posting with certainty, but you're complaining that I am mostly stating "facts" instead of "speculation". Guess what, speculating stuff is terrible =_= Oh I think you are mafia oh maybe you are town! No. I look at what people post, and define scum or town according to what they do. Then, I state a FACT and use it to prove that someone is SCUM. In fact, my spreadsheet right now only has facts, and these facts help me determine an alignment. Playing under speculations is a bad way to play imo. On July 07 2012 13:08 Sinensis wrote:
Yeah, and I don't think he'd post like that as mafia. I don't think anyone would. I don't know how else you want me to explain it to you but I believe what I believe and if you take a look at my history in TL games, it's usually pretty hard to change my mind once I've made it up. Won't even bother rebutting then :| No compulsion to go crazy in response to suspicion because you are town in this game. In Mad Men, you say that nothing is concrete because you don't want it to be. You thrive on chaos. And another one from normal mini. Note the importance he places on facts. Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 13:50 Zephirdd wrote:I knew you'd go quote a bunch of stuff unrelated to what we were talking about and ennumerate them as bolded FACTS WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT WHAT WAHT AWHTAW THAW HT ATA THSDDS What the fuck. How. What. I need a break. Look. Can you define a fact in simple terms? I can: it's something that can't be denied. I posted facts. I literally pointed the obvious. Things that cannot be denied. These things made me infer that someone is scum - scumhuntingI have not seen you pointing out facts about me. I have not seen you pointing out things that can't be denied, specifically, the way I'm doing to an actual candidate. Do you think your vote on me has any chance of gaining any traction to form into a lynch? If you think so, I think you are wrong because your case is substantially weak when compared to what I point out about the actual candidate. If you don't think so, then why are you even bothering with me? I need a break. I'll grab some beer. Watch EVO. and go to sleep. Don't wait my answers until tomorrow at ~00KST(which should be noon for me). Day and night. All you are posting in this game is speculative, your case against me is not complete and irrefutable - actually it's the opposite since its based on so little. Town Zeph would never have done this. This is expected from a lazy scum case. Same thing with that "minicase" on talismania. It's well below the standard of your previous town game. You voted me at 8.59 August 4. I had one post at the time. one. Ever since then you've been pushing me as scum. How can you draw a conclusion like that from nothing? You know something we don't, and you were trying to create a distraction from more relevant issues. If you respond with a crazy belligerent post you just lynched yourself. Honestly you are dead with any response you make, because you are so irredeemably bad at playing scum that you will make a mistake and I will pick you apart with it. Now who's the noob scum? Guys, don't bury this post. Please give it serious thought, cause I've got a really strong read on this guy. If I'm wrong about this, I deserve to be lynched. Get this guy into the spotlight and he will crack. Please. Lets lynch Zephirdd and start killing mafia. Ok so this stuff doesn't quite add up. If I follow, what you're saying is that in reading Zephirdd's posts, you thought he might be scum early on. You then went to research previous games of his. After researching it, you noticed that zephirdd was "comfortable" with people that acted "level-headed and nooby". So first question, 1) Can you give us an example from that game of someone acting "level-headed and nooby" and then zephirdd reacting by being "comfortable" with them? You then decided to lay a trap for him. You yourself would act level-headed and nooby by making a case against him, to see how he would respond. He then snaps back at you, and you call this scummy because he didn't wait to build a case on you with other information. Ok I follow that even though it's kind of a stretch. But this is where things go off for me You've laid a trap based on eliciting a particular meta-response He falls for it You... vote for wbg, ninja switch to me, ninja switch to prp, meekly say "oh my votes were kind of rash and jumping the gun. It's a mistake but is it really suspicious?" (paraphrase). Well ok let me think this through. Perhaps it still holds consistency. After all you are accusing zeph for being scummy by springing a trap too early. You had yours, but you didn't want to spring it yet because you wanted more time to build a case. I can sort of buy that. You then accuse him of "feeding the chaos". Personally I don't really see this at all. Has anyone else felt that zephirdd has made this game chaotic? I haven't. The point about calling town reads scummy and posting town reads is a stretch. He's talking about me being scummy because I posted several town reads without explanation. That's different from saying that it's outright scummy to post a town read at all. I think this is confirmation bias looking for more evidence. Next, you can't just say "this post is swiss cheese. Full of holes" and not point out what the holes are. I mean you should give his case an honest response, not just dismiss it out of hand. The last part you should also spell out more. Like you're stating a meta-difference from NMM II to now but you're sort of stating it and going "here, see?" but I'm too obtuse to figure out what exactly is different. 1) Can you give us an example from that game of someone acting "level-headed and nooby" and then zephirdd reacting by being "comfortable" with them? Yes. I define "level-headed and nooby" as taking an honest and simple look at information and raising a question. Here is a post with this tone from NMMII. It's directed at Zeph. Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 11:30 Bluelightz wrote:On July 06 2012 11:27 Zephirdd wrote:
My opinion is that going "besides everyone's usual fill of Policy Lynch is bad" is cutting on the discussion and reducing the potential subjects for dicussing, thus reducing the potential to scumhunting. Who wants to avoid scumhunters? scum.
Bluelightz, you're scum? It's just from my expierience that when someone start's a discussion about policy lynches everyone always think it's bad so therefore I just cut to the chase and get started with scum hunting. This is how he responds. Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 11:32 Zephirdd wrote:
you're not cutting to the chase, having that part of the discussion is great. Even if people agree, the way they do it is what matters.
However, if they don't even need to do it, we wouldn't find their "way" and we wouldn't have useful information for scumhunting in the first place. No outburst or finger pointing. Zeph shows lots of discomfort when dealing with this kind of tone in Mad Men though. 2. You... vote for wbg, ninja switch to me, ninja switch to prp, meekly say "oh my votes were kind of rash and jumping the gun. It's a mistake but is it really suspicious?" (paraphrase). A single thread post isn't all that visible, but voting thread posts? Can't bury those too well. And the frequent "typos"? Smiley among bold text = cant miss it. I got lots of reactions from that. You then accuse him of "feeding the chaos". Personally I don't really see this at all. Has anyone else felt that zephirdd has made this game chaotic? I haven't. -He is not pro-town. Not at all. No one thought I was a serious issue; he tried to make a case out of one post and is still trying to make something out of nothing. -And that "mini case" on you? His insta-vote of you turns into an actual case even though he says it means nothing? -And posting that list of lurkers. Noncommittal. 3. The point about calling town reads scummy and posting town reads is a stretch. He's talking about me being scummy because I posted several town reads without explanation. That's different from saying that it's outright scummy to post a town read at all. I think this is confirmation bias looking for more evidence. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote:
"not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing?
wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them.
VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role.
Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum.
Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions.
prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread.
Everything else is a null tell.
I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't.
Deal with it. No quotes, no nothing. This is a lazy post, and there is very little explanation. The "rationale" is all really broad statements. Super broad. 4. Next, you can't just say "this post is swiss cheese. Full of holes" and not point out what the holes are. I mean you should give his case an honest response, not just dismiss it out of hand. The problem with the case is its inconsistency with Zeph's town posts. in NMMII As town, he wanted cold facts. Now he is emotional, and there is simply not enough evidence in his case on me to realistically be as sure as he is.5. The last part you should also spell out more. Like you're stating a meta-difference from NMM II to now but you're sort of stating it and going "here, see?" but I'm too obtuse to figure out what exactly is different. The difference is that in NMM he wants great proof before acting. He does not operate like that here.
1.
Check out who you quoted. Check out the timing of the quote. Check out the discussion going on.
That guy is Bluelightz, the Unreadable. You can't determine his alignment until it's too late for either side.
That was a discussion about policy lynches. I am not accusing anyone(although the "you scum? part" is another example of a bait).
We are discussing policy lynches and useless stuff to get the thread going. On that game, I realized my opening post was terrible - hence the random voting this game, if you care. There is nothing to attack. No one is using terrible reasoning to create suspicion. Besides, Bluelightz is a friend; Who are you? This is your first game here, right?
2.
I made a correct case on that same game on prplhz. He had three posts. You telling me I can't make a case out of one post? Besides, the case is only being incremented every time you post more; That's because you're posting like scum.
I decided my mini-case has less importance than you.
The lurker list is a null tell at its best, why do you care about it? Why are you searching for stuff to accuse me of?
3.
Let me requote myself. I hate defending other people. That's their job. Of course I'm not posting fuckload of quotes or whatnot. IIRC that specific post was made because people wanted to know why I didn't have any real scum read at the time.
4.
Sometimes context is essential. All the FACTS discussion on NMM2 was due to Sinensis making a terrible case on me and getting me angry(hence why scum likes to provoke emotion). You even quoted my emotional burst against him on that game. Difference here is that I see your AtE from the outside; My judgement isn't clouded by emotions.
The fact here is that all your accusations are scummy accusations.
5.
Oh do I want great proof before acting? I made a fucking case out of three posts, and the case was correct. Granted, out of policy I fucked up that game; That just means I have troubles holding confidence over a case. I won't fall for this trap here.
Also, I guess someone from NMM2 is scum here right? Either that or you did a pretty good job in checking my meta; Too bad you're using meta in a terrible way.
If I missed any accusations that you think are worth responding too(aka. if you want to bury yourself more) feel free to ask again. It's been a REALLY busy monday and I'm really not in the mood of answering every tidbit that comes out of you.[/QUOTE]
Congrats!
You are now running scared!
Its funny how your most emotional post in NMM is a lot less emotional than your tamest accusation in Mad Men.
Its also funny how you are suddenly reverting to your style in NMM. What, no angry counter accusations?
Ill tell you who i am. I am the guy who owned you d1 of his first game. And you know it. Tell me its not true after how you recoiled just now.
And how can you say all my accusations are scummy? All of them? How do you know? How can you arrive at this conclusion by paraphrasing stuff? Btw i already know everything about that game and others, so you better be more careful. Its not the case that you made or didn't make, its how you made it. You know this, thats why you won't quote examples.
Oh, and i got you again.
You are doing exactly what i wanted you to do, exactly what i told you to do in my post accusing you. I said that attacking me would be lynching yourself. That wouldnt have meant anything to a townie, but you got all scared. I have already eliminated your offense and made you change your tone. Your fear paralyzes you. Your play degrades with every post, and I become more sure.
I control your fear.
I control you.
Give me some analysis to back up your defense. If you dont answer...nvm, no more threats. If mafia are smart, they will bus the dead weight.
Cause when you flip, who knows who it might reveal?
Later, scumpuppet
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On August 07 2012 08:46 Zephirdd wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 07:25 CountDropula wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:08 talismania wrote:CountDropula I'm going to read and respond to your case, will you read mine? + Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 00:56 CountDropula wrote:Zephirdd, it's time. I'm calling you out. This post is not me bashing you as a player. I'm picking up on general trends in your play and and using our interaction as an extended example. It's written in the second person because I'm confident you will crack under the pressure. You know this too, don't you? Zeph. You don't think I read your previous games before our confrontation on d1? You were all about facts and concrete arguments in normal mini mafia 2. So when I tried acting level-headed and nooby (the profile of someone I think your town-self would be comfortable with) to gauge if you were the same town Zeph from that game, you acted in the exact opposite way town Zeph would have. Everything you have against me is against me personally. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote:On August 04 2012 08:19 CountDropula wrote:On August 03 2012 10:41 Zephirdd wrote:On August 03 2012 10:36 JingleHell wrote:On August 03 2012 10:34 prplhz wrote:
And we're off.
This is a 23 player game and I will not be able to handle it if there is a 130 page spamfest between a couple of people before night1. Seriously, condense your god damn posting. That said, there's also a couple of new/newer people on the list. You guys remember to post your thoughts and stuff on the game. No one here bites. Do you bite if we ask nicely? Zephirdd, don't you think there's danger of an early bandwagon voting with no cause like that? It's hard to defend yourself against a vote for no reason. FoS Zephirdd What. If you really think an early bandwagon would come from a vote like that, then you are silly. He doesn't even have to defend himself against non-existant accusations. ##unvote
##vote JingleHell Zephirdd's change from one unfounded vote to another tells me that 1. He doesn't care who is lynched 2. He doesn't feel comfortable dealing with pressure, so he fires back on jinglehell counterproductively. On August 03 2012 20:02 Zephirdd wrote:
Masoned players should claim IMO.
masons themselves shouldn't unless that would save his life.
toad, why improvise? Are you feeling some kind of pressure that stops you from making a decent post? On August 03 2012 20:27 Zephirdd wrote:
What you said makes sense. Mason'd people shouldnt claim :s
wbg mason does sound scary too
Another example of an unsubstantiated position-taking. After a legit response from toad, another switch. He sounds way too meek in the latter quote. Any objections/further evidence backed by specific evidence? Cause I'm leaning toward voting zephirdd. I just noticed this gem. Finally that paid off. Let me explain it to you. It was 5min into the game. I didn't even bother casting those votes on the voting thread. Why? Because they didn't matter, and I'd change them later anyway. It's not that I don't care, it's just that by creating a stupid vote, you take reactions from people. People like you, who is trying to take something as silly as that as an excuse to vote me, when in fact there is nothing there that makes me scum. I'm not afraid of having opinions change, as no town should be. My opinions did change quickly - and that's pretty damn common for a town player. You are creating bullshit reasoning to jump into the wagon easily. Nice first post scum. ##unvote (talismania)
##vote CountDropula Little did you know, I was the one baiting YOU. Your first posts looked suspicious, but I wasn't sure yet, so I tried to elicit some kind of response. You then validated my suspicion. You blinked first and outed your "plan" to the thread. You weren't being patient. Your goal was not to build a case. Your goal was to make an excuse for the sake of your appearance. This whole game, all your posts have done is feed the chaos. You don't focus. Examples. Show nested quote +On August 05 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote:
Hm, thats a lot of shit to skim through since my last post. Holy shit. erandorr/wbg logs are just a crapload of fuckity fuck. ghost_404(I see wat you did ther rastaban) was replaced by the one guy that I found to be scum last game. then there is both talismania and prplhz cases, but nobody cared enough about CountDropula I guess.
talismania's filter - summarized nicely by BKEXE - is terrible. He was helpful during the "discussion that everyone can take any instance and still be town" phase, but not after.
I am not sure about prplhz... I guess he is a decent lynch tho, he did go afk out of nowhere, and last time I saw him doing that he was scum. He's not the kind of guy who just "goes" away.
Well, consolidating votes won't hurt, right? I still want to go back to CD on the future. You are saying nothing. Ok now this is interesting. Calling town reads a scummy move, yet posting town reads. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 05:43 Zephirdd wrote:So I decided to actually read stuff properly now. Talismania first post containing "Glasse" is: On August 03 2012 23:51 talismania wrote:
Erandorr what do you think of Glasse? (That was after hopeless1der voted him) His second post is exactly the same. The next instance is asking toad his instance on 4 people including Glasse On August 04 2012 04:37 talismania wrote:
yep zeph is scummy for exactly why sloosh says. erandorr I thought was for a bit but I don't understand masoning wbg from a scum pov. jinglehell is town, lazer is town, strongandbig is town. toad I thought was scum at first because of the timing of his patented color text post but he's just been being generally rather toady, which is to say he makes really strange (from my perspective) conclusions about what's good in the setup and what's not with strange (again from my perspective) reasoning behind it. Glasse I thought was hilariously obviously scummy. Like so blatant I honestly don't know what to think. Guess I should go dig up another game of his. Then he mirrors a player that has shown a case, throw a bunch of unnecessary town reads(nobody asked that, why do it) and after some fluff he says Glasse was "hilariously obviously scummy" without giving true reasoning(ie. giving a post and explaining why that was a scum post). Then he is rolefishing "for his own amusement". Hmm maybe people weren't wrong about questioning his plans on the beginning. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote:
"not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing?
wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them.
VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role.
Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum.
Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions.
prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread.
Everything else is a null tell.
I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't.
Deal with it. Your play is getting worse. This last post is swiss cheese. Full of holes. Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 23:37 Zephirdd wrote:'sup folks. Busy sunday yesterday. Didn't read much, so I didn't post. I'm still re-reading some stuff, but I'll post some of my thoughts right now. The obvious one, CountDropula: 1. Uses terrible arguments to jump into my bandwagon: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=22#436He is using my random votings from 3-5minutes into the day as reasoning to vote me. He is using my change of instances based on someone's else opinion as reasoning to vote me. Neither of these are scum traits, nor do they push scum agendas.It's entirely reasonable that a town player would change opinions within two posts, given that someone gives the proper arguments. Random voting someone for the sake of random voting, 5 minutes into the day, is pretty much a bait for scum. A real town would look at that and realize it's not a reason to push someone; It means NOTHING action-wise. Yet, he uses it to make my wagon gain strength. Granted, he never voted me; which is even worse: if you have a suspicion on someone, why would you not vote him? 2. Appeal to emotion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=23#459(From Ace's thread on how-to-play-scum: a good scum trait is provoking emotion out of town) I don't know where did he pull that I had a burst of emotion. Besides, why bring it up at all? Again, it's one of these traits that don't determine someone's alignment - in fact, I'd argue it's much more likely that a town player show a burst of emotion than a scum player. Then he pulls some bullshit "You never answered XXX" when I answered everything. And I even said more a few posts later. He never counter-argued. Then he calls for some "concrete defense" when he nevers says what about my defense is not concrete. Simply put, he is throwing loaded(and VERY loaded) sentences to try and break me down. How the f* does someone give a "concrete defense" on this game? Fucking no one can do that without being an Innocent Child or confirmed-town-dayvig. There is also these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=40#800http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=41#802These posts have no purpose except bringing emotion into the table and - hopefully for him - numbing people's judgement. This is pretty much a scum move. 3. Hypocrisy, blending in: On August 05 2012 03:16 CountDropula wrote:
I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide.
Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change.
For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case. This makes him look good right, he is calling for people to post... He has two freakingly terrible posts that only talk about one subject and is calling for people to be activeThat's trying to blend in without putting effort into the game. He is a lurker himself and is calling lurkers out. The more he post, the scummier he looks to me. Well, his first post is red as fuck already, but he is just being worse over time. So yeah, I'll keep reading stuff but my vote is on him already. ##Vote CountDropulaPlease don't ignore this guy. This is such a complete contradiction of your town play that it's absolutely ridiculous. Here is a post from normal mini mafia II. Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 13:12 Zephirdd wrote:On July 07 2012 13:04 Sinensis wrote:On July 07 2012 12:58 Zephirdd wrote:On July 07 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote:
Okay, I'm caught up:
sloosh, what are you doing? You vote wiggles with no explanation, people call you out for it, you change your vote to me with no explanation at first, people call you out for it, then your explanation is that I was your first suspicion (even though you randomly voted wiggles first?) because my posting is mechanical? My posting is mechanical and that's why I'm scummy, maybe you could elaborate on that. Even though you seem to have changed your mind again to prplhz before I responded to you. Are you just jumping on the easiest target every time? What's the deal?
Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL."
I am going to go with gut for my day one vote. Zephirdd's posting is the scummiest right now in my opinion. He spends a lot of his time telling other, presumably town players, how to play. Something mafia can't seem to resist doing in most of the games I play. He is stating mostly FACTS (people talking like they know something for certain are suspicious because only mafia have FACTS) and very little speculation.
As for everyone who is suspicious of me for lurking, you're right, it's suspicious, my bad. I work during the day (USEAST) and can't post till night usually. Expect my posts then, like I'm doing now. If anyone has any questions for me now is a good time I will be around.
##vote: Zephirdd Alright, there are a couple of wrong things here. 1. Calls sloosh out, yet considers me the scummiest target 2. Says prplhz has gotten too much negative attention. Can you tell me it is possible to give him a positive trait to his play? No you can't. Because there is NO positive trait to his play so far. He's gotten a lot of negative attention because that's what his play warrants - and you agree with this on your very last sentence. In fact, his lynch has actually gotten an awfully lot of resistance, more than I would like. 3. Reasoning for me being scum is bullshit and does not warrant a vote. I posted an awful lot for day 1 this game, so if you want to point out specific points in my play, do it and I'll counter anything you have. I've stated things with certainty, because that's what I believe to be true. Stating things as FACTS means being certain of yourself. Maybe they are wrong later, who cares. What's important is that I'm decisive in what I say, and I should be held accountable to that later. Also, I love how it took you 39mins to arrive at the conclusion that I am scum, when you are behind 10 pages. Will want to hear more from you. 1. Well, at least you can read. 2. I stand by what I said. 3. "Your reason is bullshit because it's bullshit." Good job. As I said, I posted an awfully lot. Point me what is scummy specifically, and I'll point out why it is not scummy. Additionally, I added reasoning for stating things with certainty. That alone should show why it's a bad argument to vote me for that. Also, I just realized I kinda read your third paragraph wrongly. I thought you were complaining that I was posting with certainty, but you're complaining that I am mostly stating "facts" instead of "speculation". Guess what, speculating stuff is terrible =_= Oh I think you are mafia oh maybe you are town! No. I look at what people post, and define scum or town according to what they do. Then, I state a FACT and use it to prove that someone is SCUM. In fact, my spreadsheet right now only has facts, and these facts help me determine an alignment. Playing under speculations is a bad way to play imo. On July 07 2012 13:08 Sinensis wrote:
Yeah, and I don't think he'd post like that as mafia. I don't think anyone would. I don't know how else you want me to explain it to you but I believe what I believe and if you take a look at my history in TL games, it's usually pretty hard to change my mind once I've made it up. Won't even bother rebutting then :| No compulsion to go crazy in response to suspicion because you are town in this game. In Mad Men, you say that nothing is concrete because you don't want it to be. You thrive on chaos. And another one from normal mini. Note the importance he places on facts. Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 13:50 Zephirdd wrote:I knew you'd go quote a bunch of stuff unrelated to what we were talking about and ennumerate them as bolded FACTS WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT WHAT WAHT AWHTAW THAW HT ATA THSDDS What the fuck. How. What. I need a break. Look. Can you define a fact in simple terms? I can: it's something that can't be denied. I posted facts. I literally pointed the obvious. Things that cannot be denied. These things made me infer that someone is scum - scumhuntingI have not seen you pointing out facts about me. I have not seen you pointing out things that can't be denied, specifically, the way I'm doing to an actual candidate. Do you think your vote on me has any chance of gaining any traction to form into a lynch? If you think so, I think you are wrong because your case is substantially weak when compared to what I point out about the actual candidate. If you don't think so, then why are you even bothering with me? I need a break. I'll grab some beer. Watch EVO. and go to sleep. Don't wait my answers until tomorrow at ~00KST(which should be noon for me). Day and night. All you are posting in this game is speculative, your case against me is not complete and irrefutable - actually it's the opposite since its based on so little. Town Zeph would never have done this. This is expected from a lazy scum case. Same thing with that "minicase" on talismania. It's well below the standard of your previous town game. You voted me at 8.59 August 4. I had one post at the time. one. Ever since then you've been pushing me as scum. How can you draw a conclusion like that from nothing? You know something we don't, and you were trying to create a distraction from more relevant issues. If you respond with a crazy belligerent post you just lynched yourself. Honestly you are dead with any response you make, because you are so irredeemably bad at playing scum that you will make a mistake and I will pick you apart with it. Now who's the noob scum? Guys, don't bury this post. Please give it serious thought, cause I've got a really strong read on this guy. If I'm wrong about this, I deserve to be lynched. Get this guy into the spotlight and he will crack. Please. Lets lynch Zephirdd and start killing mafia. Ok so this stuff doesn't quite add up. If I follow, what you're saying is that in reading Zephirdd's posts, you thought he might be scum early on. You then went to research previous games of his. After researching it, you noticed that zephirdd was "comfortable" with people that acted "level-headed and nooby". So first question, 1) Can you give us an example from that game of someone acting "level-headed and nooby" and then zephirdd reacting by being "comfortable" with them? You then decided to lay a trap for him. You yourself would act level-headed and nooby by making a case against him, to see how he would respond. He then snaps back at you, and you call this scummy because he didn't wait to build a case on you with other information. Ok I follow that even though it's kind of a stretch. But this is where things go off for me You've laid a trap based on eliciting a particular meta-response He falls for it You... vote for wbg, ninja switch to me, ninja switch to prp, meekly say "oh my votes were kind of rash and jumping the gun. It's a mistake but is it really suspicious?" (paraphrase). Well ok let me think this through. Perhaps it still holds consistency. After all you are accusing zeph for being scummy by springing a trap too early. You had yours, but you didn't want to spring it yet because you wanted more time to build a case. I can sort of buy that. You then accuse him of "feeding the chaos". Personally I don't really see this at all. Has anyone else felt that zephirdd has made this game chaotic? I haven't. The point about calling town reads scummy and posting town reads is a stretch. He's talking about me being scummy because I posted several town reads without explanation. That's different from saying that it's outright scummy to post a town read at all. I think this is confirmation bias looking for more evidence. Next, you can't just say "this post is swiss cheese. Full of holes" and not point out what the holes are. I mean you should give his case an honest response, not just dismiss it out of hand. The last part you should also spell out more. Like you're stating a meta-difference from NMM II to now but you're sort of stating it and going "here, see?" but I'm too obtuse to figure out what exactly is different. 1) Can you give us an example from that game of someone acting "level-headed and nooby" and then zephirdd reacting by being "comfortable" with them? Yes. I define "level-headed and nooby" as taking an honest and simple look at information and raising a question. Here is a post with this tone from NMMII. It's directed at Zeph. Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 11:30 Bluelightz wrote:On July 06 2012 11:27 Zephirdd wrote:
My opinion is that going "besides everyone's usual fill of Policy Lynch is bad" is cutting on the discussion and reducing the potential subjects for dicussing, thus reducing the potential to scumhunting. Who wants to avoid scumhunters? scum.
Bluelightz, you're scum? It's just from my expierience that when someone start's a discussion about policy lynches everyone always think it's bad so therefore I just cut to the chase and get started with scum hunting. This is how he responds. Show nested quote +On July 06 2012 11:32 Zephirdd wrote:
you're not cutting to the chase, having that part of the discussion is great. Even if people agree, the way they do it is what matters.
However, if they don't even need to do it, we wouldn't find their "way" and we wouldn't have useful information for scumhunting in the first place. No outburst or finger pointing. Zeph shows lots of discomfort when dealing with this kind of tone in Mad Men though. 2. You... vote for wbg, ninja switch to me, ninja switch to prp, meekly say "oh my votes were kind of rash and jumping the gun. It's a mistake but is it really suspicious?" (paraphrase). A single thread post isn't all that visible, but voting thread posts? Can't bury those too well. And the frequent "typos"? Smiley among bold text = cant miss it. I got lots of reactions from that. You then accuse him of "feeding the chaos". Personally I don't really see this at all. Has anyone else felt that zephirdd has made this game chaotic? I haven't. -He is not pro-town. Not at all. No one thought I was a serious issue; he tried to make a case out of one post and is still trying to make something out of nothing. -And that "mini case" on you? His insta-vote of you turns into an actual case even though he says it means nothing? -And posting that list of lurkers. Noncommittal. 3. The point about calling town reads scummy and posting town reads is a stretch. He's talking about me being scummy because I posted several town reads without explanation. That's different from saying that it's outright scummy to post a town read at all. I think this is confirmation bias looking for more evidence. Show nested quote +On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote:
"not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing?
wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them.
VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role.
Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum.
Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions.
prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread.
Everything else is a null tell.
I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't.
Deal with it. No quotes, no nothing. This is a lazy post, and there is very little explanation. The "rationale" is all really broad statements. Super broad. 4. Next, you can't just say "this post is swiss cheese. Full of holes" and not point out what the holes are. I mean you should give his case an honest response, not just dismiss it out of hand. The problem with the case is its inconsistency with Zeph's town posts. in NMMII As town, he wanted cold facts. Now he is emotional, and there is simply not enough evidence in his case on me to realistically be as sure as he is.5. The last part you should also spell out more. Like you're stating a meta-difference from NMM II to now but you're sort of stating it and going "here, see?" but I'm too obtuse to figure out what exactly is different. The difference is that in NMM he wants great proof before acting. He does not operate like that here.
1.
Check out who you quoted. Check out the timing of the quote. Check out the discussion going on.
That guy is Bluelightz, the Unreadable. You can't determine his alignment until it's too late for either side.
That was a discussion about policy lynches. I am not accusing anyone(although the "you scum? part" is another example of a bait).
We are discussing policy lynches and useless stuff to get the thread going. On that game, I realized my opening post was terrible - hence the random voting this game, if you care. There is nothing to attack. No one is using terrible reasoning to create suspicion. Besides, Bluelightz is a friend; Who are you? This is your first game here, right?
2.
I made a correct case on that same game on prplhz. He had three posts. You telling me I can't make a case out of one post? Besides, the case is only being incremented every time you post more; That's because you're posting like scum.
I decided my mini-case has less importance than you.
The lurker list is a null tell at its best, why do you care about it? Why are you searching for stuff to accuse me of?
3.
Let me requote myself. I hate defending other people. That's their job. Of course I'm not posting fuckload of quotes or whatnot. IIRC that specific post was made because people wanted to know why I didn't have any real scum read at the time.
4.
Sometimes context is essential. All the FACTS discussion on NMM2 was due to Sinensis making a terrible case on me and getting me angry(hence why scum likes to provoke emotion). You even quoted my emotional burst against him on that game. Difference here is that I see your AtE from the outside; My judgement isn't clouded by emotions.
The fact here is that all your accusations are scummy accusations.
5.
Oh do I want great proof before acting? I made a fucking case out of three posts, and the case was correct. Granted, out of policy I fucked up that game; That just means I have troubles holding confidence over a case. I won't fall for this trap here.
Also, I guess someone from NMM2 is scum here right? Either that or you did a pretty good job in checking my meta; Too bad you're using meta in a terrible way.
If I missed any accusations that you think are worth responding too(aka. if you want to bury yourself more) feel free to ask again. It's been a REALLY busy monday and I'm really not in the mood of answering every tidbit that comes out of you.
Congrats!
You are now running scared!
Its funny how your most emotional post in NMM is a lot less emotional than your tamest accusation in Mad Men.
Its also funny how you are suddenly reverting to your style in NMM. What, no angry counter accusations?
Ill tell you who i am. I am the guy who owned you d1 of his first game. I post some stuff and now you're recoiling. Tell me what i'm saying about your play is insignificant after how you recoiled just now.
And how can you say all my accusations are scummy? All of them? How do you know? How can you arrive at this conclusion by paraphrasing stuff i already know? Its not the case that you made or didn't make, its how you made it. You know this, thats why you won't quote examples.
Oh, and i got you again.
You are doing exactly what i wanted you to do, exactly what i told you to do in my post accusing you. I said that attacking me would be lynching yourself. That wouldnt have meant anything to a townie, but you got all scared. I have already eliminated your offense and made you change your tone. Your fear paralyzes you. Your play degrades with every post, and I become more sure.
I control your fear.
I control you.
Give me some analysis to back up your defense. If you dont answer...nvm, no more threats. If mafia are smart, they will bus the dead weight and keep up twisting the mainstream thread.
Cause when you flip, who knows who it might reveal?
Later, scumpuppet
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On August 07 2012 12:18 Zephirdd wrote:Count, reading your posts is like watching a game of Yugioh. OH BUT YOU ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD!!!!!!!1 what the fuck? First, how the fuck can you tell degrees of emotions in a post? What the fuckity fucking fuck is that fucking sentence, seriously. I am angry when I'm angry, I am calm when I'm calm. Believe it or not, but my emotions aren't entirely based on the game - if I'm angry IRL, I'll post angry here. If I feel calm, I'll answer calmly. Obviously, you took the calm I had with this convoluted post. You didn't own me. You pissed me off. "owning" me would be lynching me and then escaping from the counter-lynch somehow(because it would warrant a counter-lynch). Oh, and I can play your stupid game too. Next time you answer me you will either tell me I'm breaking and therefore going away from my town meta, or you will ignore me altogether. And because I told you this, you are going to do something completely different AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS PLANNING ALL ALONG HAHAHAHA Jesus christ. You don't control my fear. You are indeed pissing me off however. Why do you resort to emotions so fucking much? Because you can't use logic against me, because that's the road a scum has to take to numb someone's judgement. Because I caught you and you want to make sure I am not in my mind to catch your buddies. Fucking no. In case it wasn't obvious, I'll give you your analysis. + Show Spoiler [analysis] +CountDropula does nothing but AtE
He also creates bullshit scenarios with LOL U DOIN WAT I KNEW U WOULD DO bullshit. That comes from the first "it was a trap" by him
His accusations are scummy because they hold no ground; When counter-argued all he says is "LOL U DOIN WAT I TOLD U TO" ... You know, there was one time I got so fucking pissed off. It was Sinensis. Last game. You quoted the post. I hope you play on my game when it's up. I'll make sure your death will be painfully horrible on the flavor. Yours and Sinensis. I can't stand this U DOIN WHAT I EXPECTED posts. From you and Sinensis. And it's obvious that you copied exactly what Sinensis did that game in order to piss me off. Are you Sinensis' smurf? If not, did you do that on purpose?
Oh, scumpuppet.
Degrees of emotion? According to the "fuck" index, you are off the charts. Compensating for something?
Your last post, perhaps?
Call me a smurf. Please. It has nothing to do with my alignment. You bleed the two together. Why? How does it discredit me?
I already know how you will respond.
How sad...
Do you know what I need?
I need you to try and say I'm bad.
I need you to post a sad parody of analysis.
Wait, you already have.
I have pulled the strings of your fear, and I pull them now.
But it has gotten to the point where you have run out of options.
As expected, you try to cut your strings. It makes me stronger than ever.
You've played along well, scumpuppet.
Soon the attention of the thread will shift to you and I, and the rest of the mafia will be dragged here.
I will destroy them.
You will destroy them.
Your friends realize it. They are turning on you.
I felt you shiver through a string.
Good. You're afraid.
I want you to beg. I want you to beg them to kill me tonight. I want you to explain how the noob owns you and you need him gone.
CountDropula.
So insignificant.
So dangerous.
He is the puppeteer.
You need to escape the fear, scumpuppet.
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Hey guys,
How about lynching Zeph today? I've got him pissing his pants.
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...AAAnd the scumclaim from Zeph!
Remember scumpuppet, I pull the strings.
- The Puppeteer
Oh, and VE,
I'd like to chat.
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Yes, the scumclaim from zeph.
We talk tomorrow, VE
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On August 08 2012 09:39 Zephirdd wrote:Well, nobody sees what I see on CD  I agree it's a waste of time to talk about him. Also, fuck this VE wagon. Erandorr is full of shit. VE(as well as WBG) have been using logic more than anyone out there --' Soooo yeah. ##unvote
##vote Erandorr
Aww scumpuppet, look at yourself...
You're all scummy!
Your post is devoid of content. Your switch, so opportune. So fitting. So binding.
And the others? Youll bring them to me...
But that's not what you need to be worried about.
You need to worry about yourself
You need to worry about how you will cover yourself up in your next post. I am the puppeteer, and you clatter across the stage.
Bring them to me.
Maybe you already have...
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On August 08 2012 11:03 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 11:01 Hier wrote:On August 08 2012 10:43 talismania wrote:
Medics - Listen to me tonight please! Choose your protection targets between me, solstice, and strongandbig
Vigilatnes: If you aren't modkilled (think BioSC might be one) then shoot VE.
So let me get this straight. You want medics to protect only the people that voted for VE. You also want VGs to kill VE. Aren't you putting too many of town's eggs into the basket designated by you? What other basket should I put put them in? It's not like they're bound to do my bidding.
"Bound to do my bidding?"
Would you like lessons?
Because I've got someone who follows my orders
Better than mafia's orders...
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On August 08 2012 17:49 Lazermonkey wrote:
Just woke up. This sucked -.-.
Just a quick thought for now, wouldn't it be good to vigi kill Glasse, Zentor or Dropula? Assuming there are vigis left. These guys are obviously in no danger of getting modkilled but on the other hand they play bad all of them. And even though that might not necesarily mean that they are scum because they play bad both as scum and as town, we will need to kill them sooner or later if they are scum. And it doesn't seem like we are going to get any wiser the longer the game goes on if they are playing like this.
The puppeteer
Is delighted
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On August 09 2012 02:25 talismania wrote:
Sidenote:
People.
Stop being angry.
I have no clue why anyone would ever get angry about some of the things you guys do. Well in some cases I suppose it's a decent scum tactic. Lots of emotion, fucks with the thread, etc. But if you're townie you should never get angry. Just don't.
Also, you should never stop talking to someone in PMs.
So, VE.
I'm still here and would love to chat!
:-)
You listening, Zeph?
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Thread, lend me your attention!
I am now auditioning mafia members for my upcoming production!
The lucky mafioso will costar with my very own scumpuppet, zephirdd!
In truth, these auditions have been going on for a long time,
And scumpuppet has helped me immensely in finding talented actors.
But don't let that discourage you!
Remember: smile!
And be at your scummiest!
-the puppeteer
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Oh, and Talismania...
HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Well, preparing my play has been... Consuming much of my energy, and it has been so long in the making that it simply must be done justice!
Apparently the actors refuse to wear anything but red...
Ah yes, there is the matter of my vote...
##Vote: Zephirdd
One step towards a win for the audience,
One step towards the bus stop for you...
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On August 09 2012 10:34 Zephirdd wrote:
rofl this vigi is bad
VE, your post is funny. You think talis is most likely to be scum, but you want to lynch me?
So let me get this straight, scumteam is VE+CD+Talismania+(insert 2 random players here)?
Also, people arguing against wbg, learn something: LOGIC > YOU. A player has all right to get mad when he is trying to use reasoning and all you do is shit.
The last thing you ever used was logic, the only logic you ever had was of my design...
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When zeph flips, the audience will be in control
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CountDropula Presents...
A Midsummer Night's Mafia!
(Act I: A Puppet Pageant)
A story of betrayal and revelation.
Starring Talismania as Scum-marionette!
And Zephirdd as Scumpuppet!
Directed by the Puppeteer
*Curtain rise*
Count: Welcome, one and all, and enjoy the show!
And for the mafia in the audience
shake in your seats,
Especially you,
Understudy.
Now,
Scumpuppet!
Scum-marionette!
What do you think of each other?
Talk to each other.
Out each other.
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On August 10 2012 07:41 JingleHell wrote:
I take it, then, CD, that while you're living up to that profile of your posting I made, you're not going to defend yourself?
Or were you not reading the thread well enough to spot it, since you're only worried about what's most current in the thread, like scum?
Shhhh...
Quiet...
Watch the play,
You will see.
You will believe.
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Lazermonkey
You are worthy.
If you vote with me for scumpuppet today
I'll vote with you for scum-marionette tomorrow
We do not need to trust each other
In order to do the right thing
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On August 10 2012 08:47 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 07:47 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 07:45 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 10 2012 07:40 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 07:21 Lazermonkey wrote:On August 10 2012 07:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
So now what, you hold the logs until tomorrow, or give them out so we can make our reads on the claim and let the scum WIFOM the shot vs the medic(s)? IMO Toad should absolutely not out the guy. If we do, even if we lynch talis and he flips scum, our DT will die. Maybe he could give out the logs but without name? If Toad really feel that the person to claim DT is scum, then he should consider outing him and lynching him instead. The one advantage we have with outing the guy(other than knowing who we are trusting...)is that we will have a confirmed DT if Tallis flips You could argue that he is a good medic target but we don't even know if we have a medic which makes it risky. Also scum could just perma RB the guy if they want too as well, assuming Tallis isn't the scum RB. I still can't tell if the guy is mafia or if it's talis. I found his breadcrumb all right. I see what he was doing now and it's all fine but mafia could set that kind of stuff up as well. Again, I posted it in an instant without thinking about it. Should not have posted it and I'm going to ignore it now that I can't make out which of the two guys is the mafia and who's faking. I hope the rest of you does the same and just proceeds as if I never said a thing. kk thx bye :3 Why should we ignore it? We are 99,9% guranteed to get a mafia, either this day or the next. The only scenario we don't get a mafia is if Tallis is miller but that is highly unlikely. I'm going to bed now. But before that. ##Vote: talismania
because we kind of can't afford to misslynch right now, even if we're getting a mafia the next day because it might just be over? We can't really ignore this toad. How certain are you that it's either/or? This game seems fucked by this one move. Scenarios spelled out (someone check me if I'm wrong): 17 alive now. Lynch me, I flip miller. 14 alive next day assuming no protects and no more vigis. One more mislynch to give before it's lylo the rest of the way. 17 alive now. Lynch me, I flip vanilla townie. 14 alive next day. Lynch the DT (toad outs during the night to avoid NK complication) and the game is still difficult but now two mislynches to give. 17 alive now. Lynch the DT. He flips DT. 14 alive next day. Lynch me. I flip miller. Lylo the rest of the way (worst case scenario). 17 alive now. Lynch the DT. He flips mafia. Best case scenario. 17 alive now. Lynch outside of me and the DT. Hit mafia - great and go from there. Hit town - then lynch me and stare down the barrels of 5 consecutive lylos. I won't entertain the scenarios where I'm mafia because I'm not but I doubt any of you will have a problem doing so. ______________ My problem is that I can't see how this figures into a scum plot. Unless I'm just completely wrong about VE, why this all of a sudden? I guess it can fit with VE but it means a more subtle thing, where VE completely makes up the zephirdd bit as a misdirection or something. ___________ Hmm I guess I should defend myself or something? This is weird. I don't want to play against my wincon by suggesting that you lynch me first, but lynching the DT seems like it would be doing the same thing, as it's the higher-variance choice. Zugzwang. Lynching outside the pair seems equally high variance.
Standing ovation,
Scum-marionette
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Talis,
Will you vote zeph with me?
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It seems as though you want a part in my play, Jinglehell
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On August 10 2012 12:39 talismania wrote:
No
So certain...
Talismania, you are no miller...
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If you know one thing about puppeteers,
It is that the show must go on.
I will not let the play end in its first act.
Town will survive.
The pressing nature of the game...
Means my plans must be revealed
Before the time is right.
On night 1, found Zephirdd to be Sally Draper the mafia goon
Given the state of my credibility, I then needed someone to back me when I claimed.
On night 2 I investigated arch-townie Lazermonkey, Harry Crane the townie
Now I will propose a plan for us to stay alive.
We must lynch Talismania today.
If talis is a miller, then we are already lost.
Tonight the vigilante must shoot Zephirdd
We will have two kills, they will have one.
Xsebt, after this your play will become pivotal, for I will likely be dead.
VisceraEyes,
Toadesstern,
You will carry the weight of the performance on your shoulders.
The show must go on.
For those questioning my motives,
I will tell you.
In order to give awe-inspiring performances,
The puppeteers of my order bind the souls of great actors to their puppets.
I had searched out the greatest actors of the world, men and women whose acting bordered on the supernatural
Whose performances drove audiences to tears
Whose performances drove audiences mad.
But still I needed more.
Then I heard tales of great crime lords who were able to dominate entire societies with their acting prowess.
Thus the puppeteer came to liquidia, pursuing these rumors
These whispers
And they are true.
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On August 11 2012 06:06 talismania wrote:
oh well I guess they want to guarantee zeph's lynch tomorrow after I flip miller or just win the game outright during the night.
I think best play here is lynch zephirdd, zeph flips town. Check Lazer. Then we have two confirmed scum.
He confirmed.
Time for you to bow out.
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We must take them both out to give town room to breathe.
Vigilante, listen to me.
Whoever of the two actors is not lynched must be shot.
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Ignore Talismania
The words are poison.
We refuse to be buried in these lies.
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On August 11 2012 06:22 marvellosity wrote:
How is what talis just said a lie, CD?
if you are DT then zeph will flip scum and np
if he doesn't then you are scum
what poison?
It will be revealed
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When zeph flips scum
Tails must be shot
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Read my post, scum-marionette
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On August 11 2012 05:59 Hier wrote:
Are we going to assume Zeph is a miller?
Just
WOW.
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On August 11 2012 08:02 talismania wrote:
Xsebt and CD, can both of you check VE tonight? Or at least both check the same person?
WOW
...really?
...truly?
For a while there
I thought you were better than zeph
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On August 11 2012 08:05 talismania wrote:
You gonna ignore me, my puppeteer? Explain why you chose to check lazer, of all people.
Read.
My.
Post.
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On August 06 2012 15:17 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 15:13 XsebT wrote:
That he was role blocked? Thats a cute story and i case of it being true, horrible mafia play. To clarify, are you suggesting I'm lying about being roleblocked?
Your miller role
...Was roleblocked?
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The miller is told they are a townie...
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This is the poison
This is the lie
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Vigilante, you have all the proof you need
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But...
It is unclear if the rule works
the way I believe it does...
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On August 11 2012 12:26 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +Mafia Roleblocker
Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked, and if the person being blocked has a night action, he or she will not be able to use it. Please note that this ability only pertains to active actions. Passive abilities, such as the Veteran's extra lives, cannot be blocked by mafia. Easy there puppetmaster. You get notified regardless of having an ability. I'm not saying don't shoot him, but its not nearly as urgent as it could have been.
Ah, yes.
Thank you
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gg
It really was my first performance. For real.
Perhaps we will have an encore.
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EPT
