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On July 30 2012 09:15 Zorkmid wrote: Spam lol. | ||
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On August 01 2012 14:09 talismania wrote: nope if you don't post alot we'll all lynch you for being scum If you do post we'll tunnel you for a few days for a bad post, lynching lurkers along the way and then lynch you. Turns out you were town. | ||
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On August 05 2012 07:58 talismania wrote: this is a post that is just for fun and should not be read if you don't want to be distracted + Show Spoiler + ok bc refused to give me the names of characters in the game. But there aren't that many characters in mad men so I thought why not just make my own little setup for fun. We'll see how much of this ends up being right, if at all: 1 Primary characters 1.1 Don Draper - Vigilante (for firing people) or Townie Miller (because he isn't who he says he is) 1.2 Peggy Olson - Medic 1.3 Pete Campbell - Mafia 1.4 Betty Francis (Betty Draper) - Townie Mason? 1.5 Joan Harris (Joan Holloway) - Medic 1.6 Roger Sterling - Veteran 2 Supporting characters 2.1 Trudy Campbell - Townie 2.2 Bert Cooper - Townie Mason 2.3 Ken Cosgrove - Townie Mason 2.4 Harry Crane - Townie 2.5 Bobby Draper - Townie 2.6 Gene Draper - Townie 2.7 Megan Draper - Townie Mason 2.8 Sally Draper - Townie 2.9 Henry Francis - Townie 2.10 Michael Ginsberg - Townie 2.11 Paul Kinsey - Townie Miller 2.12 Duck Phillips - Mafia 2.13 Lane Pryce - Detective 2.14 Stan Rizzo - Townie 2.15 Sal Romano - Townie 2.16 Freddy Rumsen - Townie 3 Other characters 3.1 Allison - Townie 3.2 Joey Baird - Townie 3.3 Jimmy and Bobbie Barrett - Mafia 3.4 Glen Bishop - Townie Miller 3.5 Helen Bishop - Mafia 3.6 Ida Blankenship - Townie 3.7 Andrew and Dorothy Campbell 3.8 Bud and Judy Campbell 3.9 Tammy Campbell 3.10 Émile and Marie Calvet 3.11 Carla 3.12 Dawn Chambers 3.13 Ted Chaough - Mafia 3.14 Toni Charles 3.15 Cynthia Cosgrove 3.16 Jennifer Crane 3.17 Midge Daniels 3.18 Anna Draper 3.19 Abe Drexler 3.20 Suzanne Farrell 3.21 Lee Garner, Sr. 3.22 Lee Garner, Jr. - Mafia 3.23 Father Gill 3.24 Francine Hanson 3.25 Greg Harris - Mafia 3.26 Conrad Hilton - Vigilante? 3.27 Gene Hofstadt 3.28 William and Judy Hofstadt 3.29 Hollis 3.30 Gail Holloway 3.31 John Hooker 3.32 Edna Keener 3.33 Gloria Massey 3.34 Rachel Menken 3.35 Faye Miller 3.36 Katherine Olson and Anita Olson Respola 3.37 Phoebe 3.38 St. John Powell - Mafia 3.39 Rebecca Pryce 3.40 Robert Pryce 3.41 Joyce Ramsay 3.42 Lois Sadler 3.43 Danny Siegel 3.44 "Smitty" Smith and Kurt Smith 3.45 Jane Sterling 3.46 Margaret Sterling 3.47 Mona Sterling 3.48 Brooks Stanford Hargrove 3.49 Bethany Van Nuys 3.50 Tom and Jeannie Vogel 3.51 Arnold Wayne 3.52 Adam Whitman 3.53 Archie Whitman This sort of stuff needs to come after the game. Ive so far found your posts to be sub-optimal town play. At this point Im against a prphlz for the reasons that his case had merit and he has been afk for a long time. In the past this is how bandwagons on Day 1 have started. Im examining those who have been throwing around their votes so far. | ||
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On August 05 2012 08:12 talismania wrote: 1) It's just a little side-game, like sidebets in poker purely for my own amusement. 2) I've so far found your posts oh wait I haven't found any of your posts because you haven't made any You're going to try and nail me for real life issues? GL. My description of your filter is asking BC for the name list and if WBG will be modkilled for self-voting. | ||
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WBG: calling out the mason was a good move in my book. But it doesn't make shit sense from the scum POV, scum can kill him regardless of whether or not the town knows the mason. His feud with Eran seems to be long standing and I could believe bugs could get frustrated and rage. prplphz: Although his play has been poor I agree with his initial case against Glasse. Glasse's play was poor and lynch worthy at the time. Furthermore this lynch seems too much like a wagon on an inactive. I feel much more comfortable lynching Eran. Seems like he could be mason scum manipulating bugs, looking to create trouble. He said himself he wanted to create a scumhunting environment, yet he helps initiate a shitstorm in a mason PM. | ||
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On August 05 2012 10:17 MrZentor wrote: Glasse, I REALLY don't like how you have played so far. Are you smurfing? | ||
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On August 03 2012 11:41 Erandorr wrote: I am just used to wbg being dead all the time in dota and dont wanna adjust You seemed pretty set on starting a shitstorm in the beggining. I dont believe you masoned WBG to help the town figure out if he was scum, because you PM'ed after the vote. Which means you masoning had no town intent whatsoever. WBGs desicion to out masons doesnt make sense from scum POV, because Mafia can commuinicate out of thread. Worst case scenario he undermined town consensus. Prphlz's three points had merit. Glasses first post was strange even for TL's standards, second post is noncommital, and the third sounded more like a doubt plant. Other than that prphlz's was AFK, so I wasn't going to get behind a lynch where the canidate cant defend himself. What more should I say? | ||
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1) Glasses first post was strange even for TL's standards 2) second post is noncommital 3) third sounded more like a doubt plant. Other than that prphlz's was AFK, so I wasn't going to get behind a lynch where the canidate cant defend himself. I agree fine if you have a different opinion on the matter. WBGs mason claim needs at most one explanation, and the PM correspondence makes sense from what I know about WBG. You still haven't given me a straight answer to why as town you needed to double mason WBG. Funny you try to get on me for not looking at facts with a response like this: | ||
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On August 05 2012 03:16 CountDropula wrote: I really think the most important issue for us right now is getting people active. Were giving mafia too much space to hide. Nevertheless, I'm voting wbg right now though that can change. For sure watching zeph though, but I need a better case. When you get back can you shed some light on your WBG vote? Up to this post you had only mentioned Zephirdd. Funny post considering you (and I) were basically inactive up to that point. | ||
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This post is also super scummy. He throws doubt on the two main lynch candidates, but his alternative is... Erandorr? If he wanted an actual switch it was going to take way more than that. This reads more to me like scum not wanting to be on a town lynch of prplhz or wbg if he's town, and not wanting to lynch his buddy if wbg is scum. I start reading the thread about 3 hours before the vote, when the was basically 4 people active. Im not expecting a flood of people to switch last minute -_-. The post was made more to explain why I didn't like the two lynch canidates. | ||
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Erandorr has been doing scummy things all game long and its time they get splayed out for everyone to see. The WBG case. Eran's points: 1) The mason out The majority of Erandorr's earlier posts addressed this issue. There were flaws in the thinking that outing is anti-town. Mafia's ability to PM each other being one of them. His main argument that mason alignment is unknown only makes sense from a town POV. A scum WBG knows mason alignment, so outing them makes no sense. You also have to remember that Erandorr outed himself as well. His explantion: On August 04 2012 01:37 Erandorr wrote: Its a completely anti town move to out people like that without thoughts on alignment or actually any information. They may have been context with VE, but I thought of it as trading my role for confirming wbg as sctiateum. it is that easy. Really? What was WBGs first point (the point you so thought was so blatantly wrong)? The reasoning doesn't make sense either as outing your self isn't alignment indicative. 2) Mason Logs As a mason Erandorr has two reasons for picking someone: he has suspicions and wants to get a better read on them or he wants to talk about the game with a townread without giving info to mafia. Picking WBG he already chose the second option. Yet he tries for an hour to get an answer, when it was quite clear that he wasn’t going to get shit. I dont see the advantage of asking the question in the PM at all, the thread was a much better way to get that info from WBG as it forces him to make semi rational posts. You could say that he was trying to bait out WBG, but that seems like a viable scum option. 3) Not analyzing posts: Funny cause he isn’t doing it either. Calling the townbase bad and not addressing certain cases. | ||
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On August 08 2012 02:06 JingleHell wrote: I've got to say, right now VE is pretty much the number one scumread. Most damning of all, the whole rolefishing thing on Talis. It was really bizarre timing to ask, but if the host actually made roles and names line up (which doesn't seem to be the case), that would just be kind of dumb, making it the core of a case doesn't fly. And then certain things don't line up. Townies don't need to "establish" their innocence, that just happens through proper behavior. Along with everything else, you've pretty much topped my reads for the day. You'e never played a game with VE have you. Establishing his innocence is something he mentions every game. I dont think anyone agrees that Talis' rolefishing had any place in this town, so why not call it out? This reasoning is too shabby for you to be making votes. | ||
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On August 08 2012 09:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Except the point is not that he targeted Bugs alone - it's that he targeted Bugs knowing he would out him as mason. He can say he didn't know Bugs would do that all he wants, but he claims the reason he did it was to see if he'd do it again, implying that he saw him do it once before. I can't imagine that he would think Bugs would out me as mason and not him - he had to know what Bugs was going to do. @Bugs If Erand flips town, I'll literally eat my hat. () Dont lie. Eran outed himself there was no intention for him to get WBG to out him again. If that's your whole case against Eran, it's pretty shitty to vote for them. | ||
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On August 08 2012 16:58 wherebugsgo wrote: wait a minute. BKE VOTED Erandorr. Man you're full of shit, attacking VE for voting Erandorr for that reason when you sheeped him A townies gotta have the right info otherwise the whole town is fucked. Towns advantage is they can make consensus and informed desicions, its our job to find the scum leading us off track and look for people who have gone off track. I dont get you you keep saying you wont play the game but your still making accusations (small if that). | ||
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WBG - the Erandorr thing obviously puts him in the red. What really is blaring red is that he is refusing to take a stance on anything, not making cases and complaining about the game. At this point its a ploy for him to sit back and let us townies rip each other apart. No longer! MrZentor: He's done nothing in this game except a very fishy vote switch to Erandorr yesterday. With no reasoning behind it. Hopeless - He's super wishy washy with his accusations jumping on and off them in every post. Plus he's being defensive of WBG. WBG is my first canidate, but I'll elaborate on my others if needs be. | ||
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On August 11 2012 01:43 Hopeless1der wrote: I have yet to see a post from xsebt verifying any of this dt business. I can think of a situation where scum could conceivably come across the mis-spelt name through other roles referring to his character. Considering Xsebt might have had a scum read on talis, he's been surprisingly quiet about it. I have a really hard time buying into this lynch with one pm worth of evidence. I have a town read on talis based on his responses to the DT claim. I'm leaving my vote on VE until we see something a little more credible. -_- He knows Talis' PM name. This has been confirmed. | ||
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On August 11 2012 01:59 talismania wrote: Let's talk about this game. Scum: you guys know how good of a position you're in. You can win without losing a member. Town: I don't think it's really set in for most of you how terrible of a position you're in. Let me explain it again. Right now there are 11 town and 5 scum. Here's what will probably happen: I'm lynched, jingle and marv are killed at night, toad is still completely wrong the next day and zephirdd gets lynched, GG flawless scum victory. The only real chance is if when I actually do flip miller toad (assuming he's town) actually realizes that he's just been completely wrong about everything in this game and genuinely re-evaluates the situation and sees that VE is the most obviously scummy person in this game. Sidenote: if this doesn't happen people need to look at toad more carefully because I can't imagine him being wrong for that long is weird even for his standards. Alternate scenarios: (1) I'm lynched and flip miller, jingle and marv are killed. 8 - 5, lylo. VE or BKE is finally lynched, lazer and toad killed. 6 - 4, lylo. The other of VE or BKE is lynched. 2 other townies killed. 4 - 3, lylo. Count Dropula or Hier gets lynched (depending on what xsebt says), then it will be 3 - 2 the next day. Then 2 - 1. So to say it again, If I am lynched, town will be at lylo from now until they lose or lynch all five scum in a row* *Of course, this is barring medic protects. However, the medics should be on xsebt. Scum may attempt to double stack on xsebt, gambling that there's only one medic too, which might reduce the NK. And of course, if there's still vig shots out there then that can accelerate or decelerate the game. (2) I'm lynched and flip scum. VE and synystyr NK'd I guess? 9 - 4. Not a terrible position but not great either. One mislynch (say, zephirdd) puts it at 6 - 4 and right back to lylo. Also it won't happen because I'm not scum. (3) VE or hassy gets lynched today and flips scum. 9 - 4 but people actually realize that I was right. I'll probably be NK'd but that's a tricky play for scum given that I do have a red check. If they leave me alive I'll be able to lead at least one other scum lynch, putting town in the advantage. This is the best case scenario. Too bad I don't think you'll be convinced. Your defense is going about all wrong. Look at it from my perspective, we lynch someone else over you, if they are townie, we are in the same sit cept youre lynched day 2. If they are scum we have to figure out the next lynches semi perfectly or else LoL. Then we are gambling with the DT's check. If you really are townie you need to push a scum lynch hard now. ##Vote: Talismania Youre too much of a risk to take on lategame, plus everyones got a basic connection to you, and different reads. | ||
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On August 11 2012 02:07 Hopeless1der wrote: That isn't proof. I have another player's character name in my PM since there is a relationship between them in the show. If the scum are trying to fake a dt claim, I'd expect them to put some solid effort into making it believable, including copying the names from the pms. Talis posted his character's name to the thread. They knew what to look for. My scenario is extremely convoluted. Occam's razor says talis is either miller or scum due to the red check. But the red check is secondary information and I dont trust it coming from toad. Xsebt has not posted yet. At this rate he's getting modkilled. He's pretty much outed already. Why continue to hide? Where's his name? I cant find it | ||
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On August 11 2012 02:20 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: talismania Wtf? I dont know who to trust at this point. @Talis Is VE still your lynch canidate after all this? You should be pusing a canidate, else town might mislynch. | ||
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Question do you still think Talis is scum? | ||
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On August 12 2012 03:34 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but DTs are kind of a high priority target for mafias so who cares right now. I doubt they'll kill a DT due to the whole fake claim mixup. Too much doubt in peoples minds. Did you mason anyone? | ||
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On August 12 2012 04:26 marvellosity wrote: What are you talking about? Cd wanted a talis lynch and I pushed the zeph lynch ... I can think of reasons why a Talis lynch would've been a better than a zeph lynch. But I definitely want to hear from CD about why he pushed Talis in his own words. | ||
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On August 03 2012 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote: I didn't realize we ventured off the beaten path into MafiaScum here...so we're just voting randomly now? Should I take this as your consent to lynch randomly today? For my part, I'm very much against random lynching in this game. We need to be lynching scum, and if Bureaucracy taught us anything, it's that D1 scum lynches are VERY VERY possible given proper scumhunting. Granted, it took scum and town BOTH looking, but I digress....I'm against RL this game. Remember this post and how strange it was. It makes sense if he knows Zeph's alignment and is trying to bus him! Day 2 he comes in and votes for Zeph based on his list and the day 1 post. Why didn't he push him like Eran or Talis? | ||
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Prove it. lol. Shooting Glasse would be better as we wont get a read on him, imo. I feel like they might go after vig tonight, as opposed to big townies. | ||
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On August 14 2012 12:00 Hopeless1der wrote: Act IV: (Continued) What is a well reasoned argument? Somehow I manage to convince bke to go from : To this: With a pants on head faked dt theory. How in the hell am I more credible than a redcheck? THIS MOVE DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! THIS IS THE EXCUSE TO BUS VE! Convenient that he goes missing. His vote looks completely natural, except for the part where he switches from a semi-confirmed redcheck to an unknown mason. This post reeeeeeeeeks of desperation to distance himself from VE and look like he was strongly pushing for his lynch all along. BKE rarely takes a strong stance throughout the game and quite frankly has not posted much of a case on anything in the game. His posting has been generally disruptive, poking at other people's gameplay but contributing little of his own to help out. He makes very weak connections using votes as the basis for his suspicions. He does not scumhunt. He busses. BroodKingEXE is Scum Let me explain. I thought Talis was playing town, redcheck > my read. Miller chance + shaky DT claim > red check. So in the end Talis is town, imo. | ||
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On August 08 2012 05:55 MrZentor wrote: If we were to lynch into lurkers, why would we allow likely scum(VE) to influence our decision? Lynching into lurkers is a bad idea, but letting scum choose who we lynch is worse. Anyways, the way VE is arbitrarily shifting the lynch from some lurkers to others has convinced me that he has a secret agenda. Lazermonkey is really suspicious too. This post says VE is scum. So why did you vote for Eran in the end? Nothing to be confused about. | ||
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On August 15 2012 00:58 Toadesstern wrote: That's not it. It's just that the reasoning for lynching WBG and Prplhz came down to "they should be better than what they showed us". The reasoning for lynching Zeph and VE always has been "they're weird, not necessarily scummy yet but they somehow manage to get these weird phrases in their posts that really sound like they're not town and they do that a lot. Not sure what to make of it though". At least that has been the reasoning for me (check my mason-logs, I mentioned it a couple of times when talking about Zeph I think) when judging them and you're starting to give me the same feeling VE and Zephirdd gave me, unlike WBG, prplhz and Talis did. Keep doing what you're doing If I'm wrong neither of us is going to get shot and we're both happy, aren't we? :p VE wasnt playing to his town meta, at all. Even when he isnt as active, he seems to try more than he did in this game. In all he made two cases and his scum hunting felt suboptimal for VE. He sounded a bit too apologetic at the Erandorr lynch. | ||
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On August 15 2012 03:29 Hopeless1der wrote: So where does that leave us? Why is that information beneficial? How does that assist us in finding scum? I can't even tell who, or even if your are trying to defend/attack someone in this post. I read that post as Toad asking why VE was lynched for being wierd. Just wanted to clear the air. Discussion doesn't hurt right? | ||
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On August 15 2012 03:39 Lazermonkey wrote: BKE: Where are your scum reads? Looking through your filter this is the attempts to scum hunt I can find: You were suspicious of Errandor. This is the only time you've ever done an actual case on someone You were suspicious of Dropula but didn't push his lynch the slightest. You are suspicious of Glasse but doesn't push his lynch the slightest. You are suspicious of Zentor but doesn't push his lynch the slightest. You flip-flop alot about VE, finally deciding to vote him. You don't push him a single bit, however when he is finally lynched you write this: My spider senses are tingeling! Now you sound like VE was obvious scum even though you were very unsure of his alignment before the lynch. It's like your trying to take town cred for the VE lynch. Also, you never answered all of Hopeless case against you, just one bit of it. You have clearly seen the case yet you don't answer to some bits of it. Why is that? If you don't agree with the accusations against you, tell us why. To Vigis: I'm assuming there is an infinite shot vigialante in this game, although I could be wrong. I recomend you to shoot BKE, although I'm okay with shooting Hassy as well. Even if you don't agree with me I strongly recomend you to at least shoot someone. It's essential that we get the number of scum from 3 to 2 as fast as possible so that we can decrease their KP. Drop DT claimed (in the thread, not through a mason ) so Im not going to write up a case on him. Ive posted some things on Zentor I'm sure. Glasse I should build a case on and will, so far I've just got a scummy vibe off him. Kinda thought you could infer the last two points: On August 14 2012 12:00 Hopeless1der wrote: + Show Spoiler [addressed points] + Act IV: (Continued) What is a well reasoned argument? Somehow I manage to convince bke to go from : ##Vote: Talismania Youre too much of a risk to take on lategame, plus everyones got a basic connection to you, and different reads. To this: On August 11 2012 02:20 BroodKingEXE wrote: Now it makes sense. Hopeless is right I have other peoples names in my PM. I have a guy named Henry Francais in my PM too. ##Unvote With a pants on head faked dt theory. How in the hell am I more credible than a redcheck? THIS MOVE DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! THIS IS THE EXCUSE TO BUS VE! Convenient that he goes missing. His vote looks completely natural, except for the part where he switches from a semi-confirmed redcheck to an unknown mason. This post reeeeeeeeeks of desperation to distance himself from VE and look like he was strongly pushing for his lynch all along. BKE rarely takes a strong stance throughout the game and quite frankly has not posted much of a case on anything in the game. His posting has been generally disruptive, poking at other people's gameplay but contributing little of his own to help out. He makes very weak connections using votes as the basis for his suspicions. He does not scumhunt. He busses. BroodKingEXE is Scum 2) If I have a high townread on Talis I agree with his line of thinking. His case against VE made the most sense in the situation. 3) I dont understand what this point was getting at, I posted on something that helps the VE case. I dont see distancing. | ||
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On August 04 2012 09:03 Erandorr wrote: Come on skype for a bit bugs. Now please I legit thought this was the post Erandorr outed himself. Didnt see WBGs out. Glasse 1) Glasse first makes a case on prphlz and outright claims his scum read to Talis. Yet right after the vote he has a post jumping off this stance: On August 05 2012 10:11 Glasse wrote: -.- It was to be expected. As if he thought prpphlz was gonna roll town the whole time. 2) On August 05 2012 11:23 Glasse wrote: I like to change my playstyle from game to game so people can't go meta on me. This doesn't make me more likely to be scum. Since you appear to be looking at my tl mafia history you can confirm what I just said if you want to. I don't think I've played many mafia games on here though, maybe like 3 or 4. If you look at his previous games his actual posting style is still one-linish, so I think this statement is a lie. What I do see is that he tries more when he is town(as the game goes on :3) From: Dont lose yo village mafia On November 18 2010 12:42 Glasse wrote: no, we are lynching him because pandain did an action on night 1. and only me(flash) pandain(medic) lsb(tracker) could leave. pandain was the medic and coag is just lying, now that pandain can't counter claim since its his teamate 3) It seems everytime we ask him questions he has a BS response like this: On August 11 2012 03:52 Glasse wrote: Because an extra person to try to stop the chaos caused by the early part of the game would've been useful, but now it would just cause even more chaos if I started being more active which wouldn't help because some people think I'm scum and they would just waste more time on me. So I'm actually helping town right now, in some way. Lurking is helping the town -_-. | ||
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lol hopeless better be writing a case on marv after the shit he's given me. | ||
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If you look at all my tl mafia games you can see what I clearly change the way I play every game, just so people can't go meta on me. Don't waste your time trying to find something where there isn't anything, focus on finding actual scum. What kind of answer is this? I obiviously didnt see it this first time so I wouldnt see it the second. You gonna respond with actual facts? I was RB last night. | ||
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On August 16 2012 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: marvellosity Can we deal with your case on Jingle later? BKE is a way easier lynch to sell today. I have my reservations about Jingle, but one of the biggest things about him that isn't noted is the following: Visceraeyes as Lane Pryce the mafia mason Hassybaby as Duck philips the Godfather mason It seems like we've met our scum mason quota and I know that's trying to game the setup/host, but the odds of Jingle being scum don't sit well with me. Besides the mason numbers, I still think Jingle is town and you're barking up the wrong tree marv. If I have to discuss it today, I will, but I'd prefer to wait until after we've set today's lynch if possible as I don't want to lynch Jingle and would prefer to spend time discussing what I think is your second scum read. ##Vote: BroodKingEXE Link to my case on BKE for reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15838425 I'll be back to discuss in around 4ish hours, assuming of course that there is something to discuss. This is a shit way to address not voting for JH. 1) Have you seen what the setup is so far? 3 Millers, 6 masons, 2 DTs, and a vig. 2) You've been the guy telling me to push my ideas, yet you're reasoning is "reservations" -_- @Marv Your case was fine, but I didn't want to go on just it after the WBG Eran incident. Seemed a little too similar by my standings. Rereading through JHs filter he replaces Zentor on my scumlist. Why you ask? A major reason behind my desicion is the mason log between him and BioSC + Show Spoiler + Original Message From BioSC: WBG I don't want lynched today. His handling of the mason thing was sketchy, but I really think there are better targets. If he IS scum, this wagon reminds me of Vivax's case on you in newbie 18. Right for the wrong reasons. However, I don't think he's the scummiest. I'm looking at Talis right now. Something about his filter seems off to me... Thinking about taking an hour break to go to the gym to clear my head xD + Show Spoiler [Couldn't fit it all] + Original Message From BioSC: Yeah, I agree with that on masons. Bugs strikes me as scummy. I'm going to read over his filter again, but I can't find much pro-townieness out of it from first glance. Zeph seems to be active lurking. Making a giant list of people who haven't contributed enough according to him? I'm going to look at his filter as well. Had a busy afternoon today, now I should have more time to play. 1) The first line really bugs me. He's really hesitant on making a real stance on the WBG lynch he has a strong opinion on. How do I know he has a strong opinion? The Eran case! 2) There's an obvious problem with this. Where's Eran? He never even mentions him name in this list of possible votes. Im kinda infering but he mentions Sloosh(in thread) way after his Eran suspicions. Hence by the time Sloosh slipped on his radar Eran would've at least on the radar. 5) and 6) His read on Zeph completely contradicts each other in these two PMs. This easily might be a ploy to avoid talking to BioSC and possibly revealing him. If JH writes him off as town BioSC doesnt focus as much on it right? 8)WTH, I know it could be read as a harmless remark, but why is JH so pissed about being implied a newbie when he brought it up himself. The mason logs show that JH was really not sure about what he was pushing in the thread. Or that he was trying to hide something from BioSC either way it gives me a scum read on JH. ##Vote: JingleHell A side note JH how did you miss half your Mason log getting cut off? -_- | ||
BroodKingEXE
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On August 16 2012 12:15 MrZentor wrote: Meh, I think we should all switch to jinglehell. lol then vote for him in the voting thread not me! But seriously how can you tell everyone to vote for JH while voting for me at the same time? | ||
BroodKingEXE
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On August 14 2012 12:00 Hopeless1der wrote: Act IV: The Deflector: Post ended up being huge...This one is completely spoilered. A second one follows with what pushed me over the edge on my read of bke. + Show Spoiler + Brood Not exactly a standard lurker with only two pages to his filter. BC has already been notified of his activity issues and he was cleared, so activity is not a determining factor in BKE's scumminess. Step 1: Find the first post that seems to have any content: On August 05 2012 08:07 BroodKingEXE wrote: This sort of stuff needs to come after the game. Ive so far found your posts to be sub-optimal town play. At this point Im against a prphlz for the reasons that his case had merit and he has been afk for a long time. In the past this is how bandwagons on Day 1 have started. Im examining those who have been throwing around their votes so far. 1)BKE has had no impact on the game at all at this point. All he could have possibly done was read the thread. He plans to start making connection theories following the DAY 1 voting so far. This is quite possibly the worst way to look for scum that early in the game. Those votes could be random or OMGUS or pressure. Not the most convincing plan of action. Talis responds to BKE to point out his lack of a filter. The entire exchange is quoted below: On August 05 2012 08:29 talismania wrote: I ain't doing no "nailing". Just can't resist a cheap shot :-) 2)BKE's "description" of talis' filter is blatantly wrong and just shrugs off any activity issues he might have as "RL issues" (to be fair, this seems to have been true) and goes on to focus suspicions on Talis for his setup/character questions. Read Talis' 2nd and 3rd page of his filter. It shows talis trying to get information into the thread from various players, and yes, asking inane setup questions. It also shows a huge post (2nd page) of his current reads that quite frankly...how do you miss that? BKE didn't want to get into any discussions, he wanted to get out as fast as possible and shift suspicion back on to Talis. The Erandorr Ordeal On August 05 2012 09:11 BroodKingEXE wrote: I have a problem with the top two lynch candidates. WBG: calling out the mason was a good move in my book. But it doesn't make shit sense from the scum POV, scum can kill him regardless of whether or not the town knows the mason. His feud with Eran seems to be long standing and I could believe bugs could get frustrated and rage. prplphz: Although his play has been poor I agree with his initial case against Glasse. Glasse's play was poor and lynch worthy at the time. Furthermore this lynch seems too much like a wagon on an inactive. I feel much more comfortable lynching Eran. Seems like he could be mason scum manipulating bugs, looking to create trouble. He said himself he wanted to create a scumhunting environment, yet he helps initiate a shitstorm in a mason PM. 3)All three of those players were town. He agrees that prplhz has a decent case (or an agreeable case, whatever) on Glasse but BKE has no intention of chasing after it. Instead he wants to go after Erandorr? Somehow WBG's feud with Erand makes bugs town but erand scum because "Erandorr initiated a shitstorm". Bugs was just as accountable in that feud. Later on, BKE posts his suspicions on Erandorr: On August 07 2012 16:03 BroodKingEXE wrote: Erandorr Erandorr has been doing scummy things all game long and its time they get splayed out for everyone to see. The WBG case. Eran's points: 1) The mason out The majority of Erandorr's earlier posts addressed this issue. There were flaws in the thinking that outing is anti-town. Mafia's ability to PM each other being one of them. His main argument that mason alignment is unknown only makes sense from a town POV. A scum WBG knows mason alignment, so outing them makes no sense. You also have to remember that Erandorr outed himself as well. His explantion: Really? What was WBGs first point (the point you so thought was so blatantly wrong)? The reasoning doesn't make sense either as outing your self isn't alignment indicative. 2) Mason Logs As a mason Erandorr has two reasons for picking someone: he has suspicions and wants to get a better read on them or he wants to talk about the game with a townread without giving info to mafia. Picking WBG he already chose the second option. Yet he tries for an hour to get an answer, when it was quite clear that he wasn’t going to get shit. I dont see the advantage of asking the question in the PM at all, the thread was a much better way to get that info from WBG as it forces him to make semi rational posts. You could say that he was trying to bait out WBG, but that seems like a viable scum option. 3) Not analyzing posts: Funny cause he isn’t doing it either. Calling the townbase bad and not addressing certain cases. 4)Point 1: Ernadorr did NOT out himself. Bugs did that for him. He expected him to, but once again Eran DID NOT OUT HIMSELF. Point 2: Nonsense? How can you determine that eran picked one of those two reasons? In the explanation that bke JUST QUOTED, erand explains how masoning bugs was a gambit that succeeded in revealing bugs as scum. The logs are inconsequential to Erand's goal in masoning bugs. Point 3: Primarily OMGUS. The short-lived battle of "Do I like VE? (Circa The Erandorr Ordeal) 5)Bke flip flops on soft defending/accusing VE, literally two posts apart in his filter: On August 08 2012 02:17 BroodKingEXE wrote: You'e never played a game with VE have you. Establishing his innocence is something he mentions every game. I dont think anyone agrees that Talis' rolefishing had any place in this town, so why not call it out? This reasoning is too shabby for you to be making votes. On August 08 2012 12:20 BroodKingEXE wrote: Dont lie. Eran outed himself there was no intention for him to get WBG to out him again. If that's your whole case against Eran, it's pretty shitty to vote for them. Again, bugs outed erandorr. The fuck... Return to Erandorr This point got followed up by wbg: On August 09 2012 01:23 BroodKingEXE wrote: A townies gotta have the right info otherwise the whole town is fucked. Towns advantage is they can make consensus and informed desicions, its our job to find the scum leading us off track and look for people who have gone off track. I dont get you you keep saying you wont play the game but your still making accusations (small if that). However, (as I've noted already: + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 01:32 Hopeless1der wrote: Townies need that info BEFORE they make decisions not after they already made them. And just because bugs is not as active as everyone would like him to be doesn't diminish the fact that what you posted makes you look bad. 7)Draws attention to Zentor's voting. On August 08 2012 14:32 BroodKingEXE wrote: Does anyone else find Zentor's voting pattern tricky at the end. Seems like he wanted to be on the townie side of the lynch. He hasn't really done much of anything in terms of scumhunting, and his vote for Eran and VE should have been crystal clear as he had suspicions about VE before. Zentor's playing to his scum meta to top it off. Specifically: + Show Spoiler + Just kind of WIFOM's the issue and draws no real conclusion other than Zentor didn't follow his own scumread. You don't say! All of one line regarding VE? That's an ironclad reason to vote someone, why in the world would he think twice?! Seriously, go read Zentor's filter. Find how many times he "suspects" VE before this point in time. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668&user=137099&user=137099 + Show Spoiler + It's once...maybe twice with the clarification: On August 08 2012 05:55 MrZentor wrote: If we were to lynch into lurkers, why would we allow likely scum(VE) to influence our decision? Lynching into lurkers is a bad idea, but letting scum choose who we lynch is worse. Anyways, the way VE is arbitrarily shifting the lynch from some lurkers to others has convinced me that he has a secret agenda. Lazermonkey is really suspicious too. I don't know Zentor's scum meta. I believe that if you want to use meta as a case, the onus is on you to make your case, not make a vague statement and expect it to take. On August 13 2012 15:11 BroodKingEXE wrote: Was not expecting Talis to be vig shot. Fine with the claim being held off, at least till we know the outcome of this lynch. VE, based on Talis' and marvs reasoning. My list is VE, Glasse, and Zentor. Still working on connecting up the pieces, Zentors meta makes reading him a bit tricky but I find the Zentor Zeph votes confirming an Erandorr lynch pretty damning. VE fits into the story since he was the second canidate. Zentor's meta is now simply "tricky" instead of the scum it was earlier. Still clinging to the flipflop vote from Zentor, he connects him to zeph's flip strictly by the votes and nothing else. Very weak. Just wanted to address somethings after a second read through. 1) At this point the town had voiced scumreads on prphlz in the thread. I think at this point we were far past the point of shit votings (also considering there was only two hours left to lynch. Look at TL Mafia LVI foxtrotter wasn't very active that first day and got lynched for a few bad posts. The big problem I have on Day 1 is that the person in question is totally AFK, so as he cant respond to the allegations against him. 2) Hopeless is right about the 2nd page, having a big post, but it doesn't really give a clear read on anyone. WBG and grush aren't even given a read:+ Show Spoiler + On August 05 2012 03:29 talismania wrote: yeah yeah yeah I should actually analyze stuff =/ Toad, you could post a couple sentences stating your reasons for being suspicious of zephirdd/ghost403 in a spoiler tag or something. Sloosh will yell at you but who cares. I mean you've gotta have SOME sort of reason. I honestly don't know why the logs between wbg and ve and between wbg and eran haven't been made public yet. Hell if I were mason I would invite all my masonees to a qt and then post the link in the thread if I got outed or outed myself. ______________ My thoughts: zephirdd I don't think is as scummy as I once thought he was. Think I already said this but fine to reiterate I suppose. I remember that his meta as town is actually to be scummy. Like in PickYourPoison I genuinely thought he was scum, and I was scum and knew he was town he was that scummy. In this game, the thing that made me suspicious was the way he leaped at opportunities to point out all the littlest inconsistencies in people's posts, even if they were plausibly inconsequential. I also didn't like how he hopped onto a wagon on me in a semi-desperate way. People were pressuring him and he's all "uh btw I made a case on talis!". On the other hand, what makes me think he's less scummy now is the way the wagon formed on him. In particular the post by count dropula raised all sorts of red flags with me. toad I think is maybe a little more scummy than I thought. Originally I thought he was scummy because of how he latched on to me without like really latching on to me. I mean I was all red letters before anyone else is and reading back, as I said before, it never really felt like it. I dunno it's strange. I also think it's funny how he accuses me of being scum because my first post wasn't like my normal first posts as town, and then he cites a first post I made as scum. I've played with toad before as mafia and the way he thinks about the game can be summed up in the QT here: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/2qFy6VgjSnW He's very opportunistic when it comes to lynches. He goes for low-hanging fruit. He will switch his top targets without much explanation (HiroPro - Navillus D1 PYP, Talis - WBG D1 here). He will push vet lynches (from the QT: "I'm trying to get people lynch into vets or into hiro.") with references to team balance. Here's an apropos quote from that thread on the topic: So he's my strongest scum read but it's still only like 65%. Usually I read setups completely different than he does and therefore we don't understand the other's opinions there. So that stuff is genuine enough. I'm also somewhat conflicted by the wbg thing because wbg doesn't look like a boyscout either. wbg uhhhh I dunno what happened there. strongandbig I still think is town (if you're not well done) and I respect his analysis alot, particularly the game theory post that he brought up that wbg himself made. also the part where wbg rehashed that "why would I out the masons when I could just tell my scum team" argument smelled wrong. That argument in general doesn't really fly for me. Scum team doesn't really gain anything from knowing who the masons are in private and therefore fucking with the thread by outing them doesn't make a difference for them. In fact it may give them an easier time taking shooting them because they don't have to worry about VE posting the logs at the last minute, revealing who he talked to and thus who would know he's mason or something like that. By the same token, outing them as town is understandable as well. Although I don't think I would have done so immediately but maybe that's just me. also also wbg voted for himself which is odd as hell. and whoever asked him what date his finals were might be on to something too. although it is the middle of summer so maybe that was a joke/reference. grush is worthless and if we're in a game together ever again and I'm vig I will policy shoot him. That said there's also like a hundred other lurkers in this game that would be fine for a policy lynch. Not to mention wbg himself as a policy lynch for voting himself I suppose. Other random thoughts: -Hassybaby is underperforming in my opinion. For some reason I expected more activity although I admit I don't know his meta. Somewhat suspicious though. -Countdropula seemed highly suspicious in the post he made about zephirdd as I mentioned before. felt like a bandwagon. Also I don't like inactive smurfs. -This game feels like a 12 person game yet supposedly there's 24 of you. The inactivity in general means this one is going to be pretty easy for scum. 3) After the fact line of thinking, by the looks of the D1 voting almost everyone thought one of them wasn't town. The fourth sentence doesn't really make sense cause he posts my case after. 4) The Erandorr outing himself was my mistake, but the main part of this post is this. Erandorr can not trade his role for WBG because an out does not reveal the role of the mason (as shown by the VE lynch, esp.). Eran wasn't thinking about WBG was saying and tunneling on him. 5) Have you ever heard of a bus? JH's reason for voting for VE was shit, I could think VE was scum and see that JH was trying to tag on with shaky reasoning. I wasn't flip-flopping 6) Pointing it out still shows that VE wasn't thinking clearly (as town) or he was BSing the vote (as scum). Seems scummy to say "Im not playing" do something stupid and go back and say "Im not playing". O_o 7) Okay Zentor actually did make a scum read, if you read his next post: On August 08 2012 05:58 MrZentor wrote: Oh, I'm sorry that you couldn't see what I was implying. Let me put it for you in nice, big letters. SECRET AGENDA --> SCUM SUSPICIOUS--> LIKELY SCUM What Zentor is trying to say is VE has a secret agenda and therefore is scum. Had to pray my browser would crash with this one. | ||
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On August 08 2012 11:02 JingleHell wrote: I'm the hidden mason. D1, BioSC, who graciously, and for whatever reason, didn't reveal me at any point. + Show Spoiler + Original Message From BioSC: WBG I don't want lynched today. His handling of the mason thing was sketchy, but I really think there are better targets. If he IS scum, this wagon reminds me of Vivax's case on you in newbie 18. Right for the wrong reasons. However, I don't think he's the scummiest. I'm looking at Talis right now. Something about his filter seems off to me... Thinking about taking an hour break to go to the gym to clear my head xD D2 Talis + Show Spoiler + [8/6/2012 4:49:57 PM] Jingle: hey howsit. [8/6/2012 4:50:01 PM] talismania: hihi [8/6/2012 4:50:07 PM] talismania: hawaii? [8/6/2012 4:50:14 PM] Jingle: huh? [8/6/2012 4:50:20 PM] talismania: oh nm they say howzit there [8/6/2012 4:50:54 PM] Jingle: nah, I'm in Texas. [8/6/2012 4:51:27 PM] Jingle: Yeah, I wasn't even expecting to make it this far without getting outed in the current climate, so if you feel the need, I'll understand. [8/6/2012 4:52:47 PM] talismania: indeed I don't see what difference it will make [8/6/2012 4:52:54 PM] talismania: as far as NKs go you should be lower priority than toad, for instance [8/6/2012 4:53:12 PM] talismania: you said you thought it was weird that biosc didn't out you? [8/6/2012 4:53:22 PM] Jingle: Yeah, given how things went yesterday overall [8/6/2012 4:53:36 PM] Jingle: I asked him not to, but with the way the day went... [8/6/2012 4:53:54 PM] Jingle: not outing me ends up looking bad for me [8/6/2012 4:54:08 PM] talismania: I dunno about that [8/6/2012 4:54:12 PM] talismania: how do you figure? [8/6/2012 4:54:44 PM] Jingle: well, all the discussion about "scum won't use their masons if they haven't yet" [8/6/2012 4:54:54 PM] Jingle: people are already trying to WIFOM masons hard [8/6/2012 4:55:16 PM] Jingle: and somehow I'm the stealth mason after all the discussion on the subject yesterday [8/6/2012 4:55:32 PM] talismania: meh I don't think it makes you look bad [8/6/2012 4:55:48 PM] Jingle: But then, I'm not overly concerned about town scrutiny, since I tend to be able to explain my thought process. [8/6/2012 4:56:38 PM] Jingle: that's why I decided to mason you. You don't just insta-drop reads at first pressure, but you look at more than one option [8/6/2012 4:56:47 PM] Jingle: I've got a town read on you right now. [8/6/2012 4:57:02 PM] talismania: likewise [8/6/2012 4:57:08 PM] talismania: I'm like 70% town on you [8/6/2012 4:57:08 PM] Jingle: and wanted to see how you feel about stuff without giant crosstalk and interference [8/6/2012 4:57:34 PM] talismania: ok well shoot away [8/6/2012 4:58:07 PM] Jingle: well first, do you actually think I'm crazy on Eran, or do you just think there's bigger fish to fry? [8/6/2012 4:58:32 PM] Jingle: I really don't like what I'd already seen, but he's starting to drop off the map since the lynch [8/6/2012 4:58:49 PM] talismania: well to be perfectly honest I wrote him off as town fairly early and haven't really seriously revisited it [8/6/2012 4:58:59 PM] talismania: however now might be a good time to do so [8/6/2012 4:59:13 PM] talismania: the reason I thought he was town was that he masoned bugs I think for the reason he said [8/6/2012 4:59:27 PM] talismania: like, him masoning bugs in that spot, as most people pointed out isn't a great play for scum or town really [8/6/2012 5:01:00 PM] Jingle: yeah. idk. it seemed strange to me. I've been trying to avoid it coming up in thread, because it sounds like a copout, and don't want to use it as an excuse, but it's hard to catch a handle on some of the players. Posts in the newbie games were usually more comprehensive, with less familiarity between people, so some things that seem scummy to me might just be damn innocent. [8/6/2012 5:01:39 PM] Jingle: I masoned Bio yesterday because we'd already played once together, so it seemed like a good place to start. [8/6/2012 5:02:05 PM] talismania: ah gotcha [8/6/2012 5:02:20 PM] talismania: ok so the other thing that made me think eran was town was his eagerness to skype with bugs [8/6/2012 5:02:26 PM] talismania: that bugs mentioned a few times [8/6/2012 5:02:40 PM] Jingle: skype is a townie type thing? [8/6/2012 5:02:41 PM] talismania: I don't understand that as scum [8/6/2012 5:02:47 PM] talismania: well not necessarily I suppose [8/6/2012 5:02:48 PM] Jingle: why, because it's faster paced? [8/6/2012 5:02:52 PM] Jingle: harder to fake? [8/6/2012 5:02:58 PM] talismania: it's faster paced, you don't have as much time to think on your feet if you're scum etc [8/6/2012 5:03:17 PM] talismania: but he seemed genuinely eager to press wbg [8/6/2012 5:03:28 PM] talismania: was he just doing that because he knew he could rile him up? [8/6/2012 5:03:31 PM] Jingle: idk, the log seemed pretty shitty on both parts to me. [8/6/2012 5:03:40 PM] Jingle: like, the very start of the log, he was opening with hostility [8/6/2012 5:03:42 PM] talismania: I can't say for sure because wbg came into that chat so pissed in the beginning [8/6/2012 5:03:50 PM] Jingle: they both did though [8/6/2012 5:03:51 PM] talismania: ok let me open that log [8/6/2012 5:04:11 PM] Jingle: like, right from the start, eran was talking shit about wbg's play being terrible [8/6/2012 5:04:28 PM] Jingle: that was one of the things I went after him on, that nobody seemed to think was worth looking at [8/6/2012 5:04:44 PM] Jingle: and, of course, I wasnt posting big rainbow colored reminders to vote for him [8/6/2012 5:04:49 PM] talismania: heh [8/6/2012 5:04:53 PM] Jingle: that said, Hier made me nervous. [8/6/2012 5:05:11 PM] Jingle: even if I have a good case on someone, I don't like to see a ninja vote on them with nothing in the thread [8/6/2012 5:05:26 PM] talismania: I thoguht hier made a case on erandorr [8/6/2012 5:05:38 PM] Jingle: go look in the thread at the time he voted [8/6/2012 5:05:39 PM] talismania: it was really sarcastic and I thoguht he was breadcrumbing his character because of that [8/6/2012 5:05:42 PM] Jingle: his vote was out of nowhere. [8/6/2012 5:05:55 PM] Jingle: timing wise [8/6/2012 5:06:16 PM] Jingle: like, i'd expect at least a "oh yeah since I forgot earlier" post or something [8/6/2012 5:06:22 PM] Jingle: brb smoke [8/6/2012 5:10:17 PM] Jingle: back [8/6/2012 5:10:26 PM] talismania: cool I'm reading through eran's filter [8/6/2012 5:11:36 PM] Jingle: but yeah, it's been tricky for me over the weekend and today, since i've been busy. my usual style is to aggressively bulldog on people, and watch the ensuing discussion for people to say things that don't seem to have a townie motive [8/6/2012 5:12:23 PM] Jingle: usually goes decent for me, but between people just wanting to ignore my cases, and doing other stuff, it hasn't worked so hot. hopefully it will pick up [8/6/2012 5:14:22 PM] Jingle: but yeah, the logs from eran/wbg seem less conclusive to me, because when wbg popped in talking down to eran, he didn't even try to get things on track, he just swung back. [8/6/2012 5:14:55 PM] talismania: ok so erandorr masons wbg sometime after this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=15#285 [8/6/2012 5:15:57 PM] talismania: and then later after wbg outs him he makes this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=16#314 [8/6/2012 5:16:17 PM] talismania: which only focuses on wbg outing ve and not himself which is kind of funny [8/6/2012 5:17:20 PM] Jingle: yeah that does seem weird. although, to try and be objective, if he expected to be outed, focusing on it happening to him would be strange. [8/6/2012 5:17:43 PM] talismania: objectively he should have mentioned it as either alignment IMO [8/6/2012 5:17:47 PM] Jingle: but then, that flies against the claimed motive of "confirming" that VE masoned wbg, which is WIFOM without a log anyway [8/6/2012 5:18:00 PM] talismania: if it was his scum plan to get wbg lynched, and he knew wbg would out him then he should hav eused it [8/6/2012 5:18:04 PM] Jingle: which there were no logs from anyone at that point [8/6/2012 5:18:17 PM] talismania: if it was his town plan to see if wbg outed him too he should have mentioned it too [8/6/2012 5:18:23 PM] talismania: sot hat's a wash [8/6/2012 5:18:53 PM] Jingle: he really just doesn't make any sense to me. [8/6/2012 5:19:09 PM] Jingle: And where I can't find townie motive, and can see possible scum motive, I tend to think scum [8/6/2012 5:19:37 PM] Jingle: obviously, strange play is always possible too, but it just doesn't make sense. [8/6/2012 5:20:22 PM] Jingle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15727835 [8/6/2012 5:20:32 PM] Jingle: he was definitely trying to push votes towards wbg at one point [8/6/2012 5:20:46 PM] talismania: at one point? I recall him doing it at every point [8/6/2012 5:20:53 PM] Jingle: yeah, I know [8/6/2012 5:21:02 PM] Jingle: until prp came up [8/6/2012 5:21:04 PM] Jingle: the side wagon [8/6/2012 5:21:19 PM] Jingle: that took on a life of it's own and turned into the lynch instead [8/6/2012 5:21:34 PM] Jingle: shortly after the lynch, he drops off the face of the planet for all intents and purposes [8/6/2012 5:22:05 PM] talismania: yes he has been inactive or at least I can't remember what he's done for a while [8/6/2012 5:22:08 PM] Jingle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15733650 [8/6/2012 5:22:16 PM] talismania: oh I think he perked up when bugs came back [8/6/2012 5:22:16 PM] Jingle: there's his "defense" against my case [8/6/2012 5:22:45 PM] Jingle: which is basically a train wreck of "these aren't the droids you're looking for" and blatant misrepresentation. [8/6/2012 5:23:05 PM] Jingle: like his response to me pointing out that he was talking shit back to wbg in the logs right at the start [8/6/2012 5:23:15 PM] Jingle: "Did you notice that he insulted me about 100 times before that? And the one time I get so upset as to say what I do in the quote I INSTANTLY APOLOGIZE?" [8/6/2012 5:24:09 PM] Jingle: and after ignoring or lying as a response to my case, he calls it a malicious case, and then tells me to look at other people. [8/6/2012 5:24:34 PM] Jingle: if he actually thought it was malicious, there should be a case, not just a continued tunnel on wbg and prp [8/6/2012 5:24:44 PM] Jingle: but he accuses me of a malicious case and vanishes [8/6/2012 5:25:07 PM] talismania: hmm [8/6/2012 5:25:07 PM] Jingle: the shitty part is so many people think i just have a hardon for him that it probably wouldn't work to just point this out in the thread either [8/6/2012 5:25:21 PM] talismania: well you're tunneled on him and he was tunneled on wbg at that point [8/6/2012 5:25:35 PM] talismania: I'm not surprised he didn't turn around and make a case on you [8/6/2012 5:25:52 PM] talismania: ok I'm gonna go through his response [8/6/2012 5:26:03 PM] talismania: first thing I agree with him on - it was a joke [8/6/2012 5:26:21 PM] talismania: second thing let's see [8/6/2012 5:26:34 PM] Jingle: i didn't know it was a joke. goes back to that familiarity thing [8/6/2012 5:26:53 PM] talismania: yeah a couple of people have made mistakes like that this game [8/6/2012 5:27:18 PM] Jingle: i did actually apologize and drop that particular facet on the record, iirc [8/6/2012 5:27:36 PM] talismania: uh ok so second point is that he's prickly about his opinions essentially [8/6/2012 5:28:03 PM] Jingle: ok maybe i didn't. not sure. [8/6/2012 5:28:09 PM] talismania: hmm yeah the problem is his personality [8/6/2012 5:28:12 PM] Jingle: damn its bad when i have to check my own filter [8/6/2012 5:28:31 PM] talismania: I ge tthe sense that he is infact rather agressive and whatnot [8/6/2012 5:28:41 PM] talismania: he went after me pretty agressively early on for instance [8/6/2012 5:29:34 PM] Jingle: yeah i didn't officially drop that in the thread. but i didn't follow up on it either. hard to know what's an inside joke and what's not [8/6/2012 5:30:03 PM] Jingle: but yeah, aggressive play is good and all, I'm all for it, but he really didn't address the bigger points [8/6/2012 5:30:38 PM] Jingle: although, as you said, one of them doesn't make sense from any perspective, and the other is kind of down to personality [8/6/2012 5:30:56 PM] Jingle: idk, maybe he's not scum, but i don't have a better target right now [8/6/2012 5:31:01 PM] talismania: yeah so point two is essentially that he attacks people who disagree with him [8/6/2012 5:31:09 PM] talismania: which is what I mean by he's agresssive [8/6/2012 5:31:28 PM] talismania: and then the problem is to decide if he's hamming it up on purpose to drive a mislynch [8/6/2012 5:31:30 PM] talismania: or if that's just how he is [8/6/2012 5:31:45 PM] talismania: and it's not really that alignment-indicative [8/6/2012 5:32:44 PM] Jingle: there's so much gray area in this game, that short posts, and dismissive posts can be kind of difficult to deal with [8/6/2012 5:33:18 PM] talismania: I like erandorr's shorter posts in his filter for the most part [8/6/2012 5:33:19 PM] Jingle: i mean, i've done it too, where something seems absurd and i ignored it, but if there's several people all saying it, continuing to ignore it doesn't seem pro-town anymore [8/6/2012 5:33:26 PM] talismania: he asks questions, and then more importantly follows up on them [8/6/2012 5:33:46 PM] talismania: scum do the first easily but are often too lazy to do the second, because they don't really care about the answer [8/6/2012 5:33:54 PM] talismania: of course good scum do both [8/6/2012 5:34:10 PM] talismania: ok so point three in your case is about hier and erandorr's respoens to that [8/6/2012 5:34:33 PM] talismania: my gut reaction to that is that eran's response was townie but I guess in sum it's just null [8/6/2012 5:34:57 PM] talismania: like if I'm scum I don't blow off a case, no matter how ridiculous it sounds with a one-liner [8/6/2012 5:35:08 PM] talismania: but I'm also not that agressive [8/6/2012 5:36:24 PM] Jingle: i actually had a coach, back in one of my newbie games, tell me to blow off weak cases more often. apparently they thought it was a scumslip to over-defend [8/6/2012 5:36:38 PM] Jingle: which makes sense, but then you're diving into wifom [8/6/2012 5:36:45 PM] Jingle: and i hate wifom when i can look for motives [8/6/2012 5:36:47 PM] talismania: no I agree [8/6/2012 5:36:59 PM] talismania: I mean I think zephirdd made a case on me this game that I prettuy much just ignored [8/6/2012 5:37:13 PM] talismania: it's just the use of the one-liner that seems genuine [8/6/2012 5:37:30 PM] talismania: like I honestly think erandorr read hier's thing and went "wtf" [8/6/2012 5:37:47 PM] Jingle: well, i guess i can at least shift him to null read and just keep an eye on him for now [8/6/2012 5:38:03 PM] Jingle: since that all makes some sort of sense, with context [8/6/2012 5:38:18 PM] talismania: now for sure you're right that he doesn't make a much of an attempt to calm wbg down [8/6/2012 5:38:29 PM] Jingle: that on its own i can't call scummy [8/6/2012 5:38:35 PM] talismania: they're pretty much both just salpping each other with fish that whole time [8/6/2012 5:38:45 PM] Jingle: just useless [8/6/2012 5:38:53 PM] Jingle: but at least we werent subjected to it in thread [8/6/2012 5:39:09 PM] talismania: if we were I'd say they might have both been scum [8/6/2012 5:39:48 PM] Jingle: i can still sort of see a potential case on wbg out of that mess, but it's hard to say. frankly, i think he's been overtunneled [8/6/2012 5:40:13 PM] talismania: wbg makes me nervous [8/6/2012 5:40:20 PM] talismania: I've been more or less thinking he's town [8/6/2012 5:40:35 PM] talismania: but his play since coming back from rage mountain has been subpar [8/6/2012 5:40:36 PM] Jingle: the main thing with outing that i don't like is that it's too obvious of a defense [8/6/2012 5:40:56 PM] Jingle: "but why would I out them in the thread if i could have done it in the QT if I was scum" [8/6/2012 5:41:02 PM] Jingle: that scares the hell out of me [8/6/2012 5:41:19 PM] Jingle: out of the whole thing, that was the only thing to me that made me think it might be worth a case [8/6/2012 5:41:40 PM] talismania: yeah on balance the speed with which wbg outed them tells me he wasn't planning much devious with it [8/6/2012 5:41:59 PM] talismania: he genuinely believes that masons aren't that much more valuable in secret, which I agree with [8/6/2012 5:42:09 PM] Jingle: would he have been an obvious mason target? [8/6/2012 5:42:12 PM] talismania: wbg? [8/6/2012 5:42:14 PM] talismania: yues [8/6/2012 5:42:18 PM] Jingle: it could have been something he planned to do early then [8/6/2012 5:42:23 PM] Jingle: making the speed work [8/6/2012 5:42:45 PM] talismania: well the reason I think for outing masons in the thread as scum [8/6/2012 5:42:49 PM] talismania: instaed of just in the qt [8/6/2012 5:43:07 PM] talismania: is to avoid risking looking bad if scum wants to nk the masons [8/6/2012 5:43:29 PM] talismania: like if VE claimed mason like toad did, for instance, and then got killed [8/6/2012 5:43:38 PM] Jingle: yeah but they can't nk masons now [8/6/2012 5:43:51 PM] Jingle: unless we have an insane number of masons total [8/6/2012 5:44:07 PM] talismania: I really hope there isn't another hidden one [8/6/2012 5:44:08 PM] Jingle: then scum have masons outed too now [8/6/2012 5:44:20 PM] Jingle: so every dead mason narrows down some scum [8/6/2012 5:44:42 PM] talismania: well I think if I were balancing the game I would have the same ratio of masons as there are players [8/6/2012 5:44:51 PM] talismania: but I don't know if bc did that [8/6/2012 5:44:56 PM] talismania: right now it's 6 total known [8/6/2012 5:45:06 PM] talismania: so 4-2? 5-1? [8/6/2012 5:45:23 PM] Jingle: yeah idk [8/6/2012 5:45:37 PM] Jingle: but theres enough out that i expect the scum have masons visible [8/6/2012 5:45:46 PM] Jingle: so they cant nk into masons safely [8/6/2012 5:45:58 PM] talismania: I mean I'm still fairly sure about VE [8/6/2012 5:45:58 PM] Jingle: after the first couple got outed, the rest getting outed was VERY pro-town [8/6/2012 5:46:04 PM] talismania: and I have a strong feeling hassbaby is scum too [8/6/2012 5:46:08 PM] Jingle: who was it who dropped names after wbg? i forget [8/6/2012 5:46:12 PM] talismania: toad [8/6/2012 5:46:35 PM] Jingle: well, out of the two who outed, one of them is probably scum [8/6/2012 5:47:14 PM] talismania: hmm just thoguht of something [8/6/2012 5:47:14 PM] Jingle: either to protect attempts to nk into masons, or to protect scum masons so they could keep using it [8/6/2012 5:47:21 PM] talismania: I suppose it could be dangerous to out too many masons if there's lots [8/6/2012 5:47:26 PM] talismania: since it helps scum bluesnipe [8/6/2012 5:47:53 PM] talismania: well [8/6/2012 5:47:57 PM] talismania: actually I doubt that's an issue [8/6/2012 5:48:08 PM] talismania: there'd have to be like four more out there before that was troublesome [8/6/2012 5:48:31 PM] Jingle: well that'd make an entertaining game, if there were that many masons [8/6/2012 5:48:45 PM] Jingle: for some value of "entertaining" [8/6/2012 5:48:50 PM] talismania: yeah I was thinking of a setup earlier today [8/6/2012 5:49:02 PM] talismania: everyone is mason and gets to pick one person they can chat to per cycle [8/6/2012 5:49:15 PM] talismania: catch is that you are required to post your logs at the end of the cycle [8/6/2012 5:49:28 PM] Jingle: ow [8/6/2012 5:49:34 PM] Jingle: that sounds painfully difficult [8/6/2012 5:49:40 PM] Jingle: inane volume of information [8/6/2012 5:49:46 PM] Jingle: don't think most people would have the patience [8/6/2012 5:50:44 PM] talismania: lol hier made a diagram [8/6/2012 5:50:50 PM] Jingle: yeah just saw that [8/6/2012 5:50:53 PM] talismania: hahahaha [8/6/2012 5:51:08 PM] talismania: sorry I think it's funny he couldn't keep track of things [8/6/2012 5:51:19 PM] talismania: it ain't that complicated [8/6/2012 5:51:41 PM] Jingle: i can't completely either [8/6/2012 5:51:47 PM] Jingle: but i'm not drawing a flowchart [8/6/2012 5:52:30 PM] talismania: ok but back on the subject of which mason is scum [8/6/2012 5:52:32 PM] talismania: VE [8/6/2012 5:52:42 PM] talismania: what do you make of the meat of my case against him [8/6/2012 5:52:56 PM] Jingle: sum it up, or give me a sec to re-read [8/6/2012 5:53:11 PM] talismania: he doesn't read my filter like a townie should before making a case [8/6/2012 5:53:29 PM] talismania: he ends up making accusations that aren't actually true by mistakenly paraphrasing other players [8/6/2012 5:53:53 PM] talismania: yet at the same time he shows he's paying enough attention to the game to remember even the most ohbscure posts I made early on [8/6/2012 5:54:15 PM] talismania: his reaction to my case is interesting too [8/6/2012 5:54:30 PM] talismania: he's essentially had to back down completely and admit I was right [8/6/2012 5:54:44 PM] talismania: without admitting that he's scum of course [8/6/2012 5:56:05 PM] Jingle: well, I can't comment on all of it, but I got to admit, it's pretty damning. I especially agree about the shadiness of wanting to establish innocence. I'm generally of the opinion that it establishes itself unless you're playing clumsily [8/6/2012 5:56:12 PM] Jingle: of course, i don't know what kind of player he is [8/6/2012 5:57:03 PM] Jingle: looking up his response right now [8/6/2012 5:57:06 PM] talismania: search bureaucracy mafia (still on front page I think) and have a skim through his filter [8/6/2012 5:57:07 PM] Jingle: trying to keep context [8/6/2012 5:57:15 PM] talismania: if you want to see his normal town meta [8/6/2012 5:57:24 PM] talismania: he's normally a lot more spammy [8/6/2012 5:59:21 PM] Jingle: i do think the rolefishing accusation... well, it kind of makes sense, but we can only hope bc is smart enough to have randomized roles to names, not just inverted or something. [8/6/2012 5:59:33 PM] Jingle: at the least, you should have saved that for later [8/6/2012 5:59:41 PM] Jingle: but i don't think it makes a solid core of a case [8/6/2012 5:59:41 PM] talismania: heh yeah couldn't help myself [8/6/2012 5:59:52 PM] talismania: since don draper was vt [8/6/2012 6:00:06 PM] talismania: I think it's safe to say char names truely don't mean anything [8/6/2012 6:00:50 PM] Jingle: yeah ive watched a few episodes on netflix but got sidetracked by season 3 of warehouse 13 [8/6/2012 6:01:58 PM] Jingle: and yeah, his final response to your case is... strange. [8/6/2012 6:02:07 PM] Jingle: i could see a VE lynch maybe. [8/6/2012 6:02:23 PM] talismania: I'll see what I can get out of him in pms and chat [8/6/2012 6:02:27 PM] Jingle: or we could see if we can kill grush again. [8/6/2012 6:02:37 PM] talismania: oh grush [8/6/2012 6:02:40 PM] Jingle: scum/vigi got to, why can't the rest of us? [8/6/2012 6:02:45 PM] Jingle: its not fair [8/6/2012 6:03:07 PM] talismania: I bet his plan was something silly too like not masoning d1 and then masoning d2 and seeing what happens [8/6/2012 6:04:21 PM] Jingle: either that or his starsenses got jammed [8/6/2012 6:05:03 PM] Jingle: I was just having a look over Bio's filter again [8/6/2012 6:05:07 PM] Jingle: idk what's up with him [8/6/2012 6:05:45 PM] talismania: he comes on and off my radar [8/6/2012 6:05:51 PM] talismania: you palyed with him before you said [8/6/2012 6:05:53 PM] Jingle: yeah [8/6/2012 6:05:54 PM] talismania: I think I played with him once too [8/6/2012 6:05:57 PM] Jingle: hes not spammy [8/6/2012 6:06:01 PM] talismania: no he's not [8/6/2012 6:06:11 PM] Jingle: but he's under a page of filter [8/6/2012 6:06:16 PM] Jingle: with a fair amount as pre-game spam [8/6/2012 6:06:58 PM] Jingle: last thing he said was to call grush scum for being grush, and then dismiss a case against him [8/6/2012 6:07:21 PM] talismania: ok opened his filter [8/6/2012 6:07:48 PM] talismania: this sounds dumb and I really shouldn't rely on it but I thoguht he was town when he asked the host for a filter list in the op [8/6/2012 6:08:06 PM] Jingle: lol why? when he's scum he's pretty cautious [8/6/2012 6:08:34 PM] Jingle: end of newbie XVIII he was well off radar. he makes careful scum cases. [8/6/2012 6:09:01 PM] Jingle: granted, i was scum too that game, but yeah, i watched him play scum, and he's careful and quiet [8/6/2012 6:09:12 PM] Jingle: but then, haven't seen him as confirmed town, so not sure on that [8/6/2012 6:09:25 PM] Jingle: although I do have to wonder... [8/6/2012 6:09:57 PM] Jingle: somewhere in his filter... [8/6/2012 6:10:00 PM] Jingle: dammit can't find it [8/6/2012 6:10:00 PM] talismania: scummiest part of his filter is his switch to prp [8/6/2012 6:10:14 PM] Jingle: that's because it's his single long, thought out post. [8/6/2012 6:10:24 PM] talismania: ewll he has some others of comparable length [8/6/2012 6:10:38 PM] Jingle: but they're fluff longer posts [8/6/2012 6:10:38 PM] talismania: I mean I think he was just going along with the twagon [8/6/2012 6:10:46 PM] talismania: but he sort of overjustified that [8/6/2012 6:11:14 PM] talismania: it would have made more sense for him to say "I don't wbg lynched, I'm voting prp" given his history [8/6/2012 6:11:26 PM] Jingle: here we go. [8/6/2012 6:11:34 PM] Jingle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15730145 [8/6/2012 6:11:42 PM] Jingle: "My stance on him is about him being less scummy than Grush. I don't really care about meta, never have, probably never will. What I care about is THIS game. " [8/6/2012 6:12:01 PM] Jingle: i'm all for voting for your stronger scumread [8/6/2012 6:12:17 PM] Jingle: but having a strong scumread on a troll for trolling sounds ludicrous [8/6/2012 6:12:53 PM] Jingle: even me, not considering prp a top lynch priority, i would have taken prp over grush as a lynch based on available info at the time [8/6/2012 6:13:26 PM] talismania: well you have a point there [8/6/2012 6:13:34 PM] talismania: it's hard to really ever call grush scum [8/6/2012 6:13:42 PM] talismania: it's easy to call him bad [8/6/2012 6:13:50 PM] Jingle: i knew him by reputation before i ever saw him in a game [8/6/2012 6:13:59 PM] Jingle: i knew what to expect before it started [8/6/2012 6:14:07 PM] talismania: so would you say that this is matching biosc's careful cases as scum? [8/6/2012 6:14:21 PM] talismania: they dont seem that careful to me [8/6/2012 6:14:28 PM] Jingle: not really, but i'd say that he's at least not going to miss your filter [8/6/2012 6:14:54 PM] Jingle: actually, if anything, i'd consider him blue over scum [8/6/2012 6:15:00 PM] Jingle: but he could still be scum [8/6/2012 6:15:04 PM] Jingle: i don't know [8/6/2012 6:15:07 PM] Jingle: it's a hard read [8/6/2012 6:15:27 PM] Jingle: bio may have just seemed careful that time because i was controlling the thread at that point [8/6/2012 6:15:31 PM] Jingle: i'm not sure [8/6/2012 6:15:39 PM] talismania: maybe he shot grush [8/6/2012 6:15:43 PM] Jingle: plausible [8/6/2012 6:15:51 PM] talismania: he's my number one vig suspect [8/6/2012 6:16:00 PM] Jingle: and his inactivity would match the lack of a vigi claim on it [8/6/2012 6:16:47 PM] Jingle: what about snb? [8/6/2012 6:17:05 PM] talismania: I think he's town for the most part [8/6/2012 6:17:14 PM] talismania: there was a period of a few hours where I was thinking he might be scum [8/6/2012 6:17:23 PM] talismania: but mainly I think he's town [8/6/2012 6:17:44 PM] talismania: the effort he put in with regards to wbg made me think that [8/6/2012 6:17:55 PM] talismania: like where he was digging up out of game quotes [8/6/2012 6:18:03 PM] talismania: hte fact that he reread the thread [8/6/2012 6:18:24 PM] talismania: he's been generally open-minded too [8/6/2012 6:18:27 PM] talismania: he asks good questions [8/6/2012 6:18:29 PM] talismania: dunno [8/6/2012 6:18:31 PM] Jingle: maybe i just don't like the kill masons idea he posited for some reason [8/6/2012 6:18:57 PM] Jingle: maybe i'm just crazy, but i think that's a good way to potentially sacrifice a lot of town for minimal scum [8/6/2012 6:19:09 PM] talismania: I don't think he's saying anything different other than that we should look into the masons [8/6/2012 6:19:11 PM] Jingle: also, it's a minimal discussion cop-out lynch method [8/6/2012 6:19:22 PM] Jingle: and discussion kills scum [8/6/2012 6:19:30 PM] talismania: I don't think he means to policy lynch all masons [8/6/2012 6:19:35 PM] talismania: that wouldn't work [8/6/2012 6:19:54 PM] talismania: lylo is at day 4 or something at worst [8/6/2012 6:20:00 PM] Jingle: plus, realistically, the more dead scum masons we make, the more reliable our surviving masons are. [8/6/2012 6:20:02 PM] talismania: so not nearly enough time for that radical of a plan [8/6/2012 6:20:16 PM] Jingle: so if we lynch carefully, the better [8/6/2012 6:20:28 PM] Jingle: granted, the masons definitely bear watching [8/6/2012 6:20:35 PM] Jingle: with this many i can't imagine us all being town [8/6/2012 6:20:45 PM] talismania: yep I'm still locking VE and hassy [8/6/2012 6:20:51 PM] Jingle: masons should definitely get extra scrutiny [8/6/2012 6:21:06 PM] Jingle: hassy needs to post more [8/6/2012 6:21:06 PM] talismania: toad I think is town [8/6/2012 6:21:22 PM] talismania: the way toad played his role makes a lotof sense from a town pov [8/6/2012 6:21:35 PM] talismania: he's a clever scum player but that would be really really celver of him to do as scum [8/6/2012 6:22:23 PM] Jingle: certainly if VE gets lynched and flips red, hassy will bear close watching [8/6/2012 6:22:31 PM] Jingle: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15713928 [8/6/2012 6:22:46 PM] Jingle: that's him getting in on the rolefishing attack on you [8/6/2012 6:23:02 PM] talismania: yeah he got baited by that for sure [8/6/2012 6:23:16 PM] Jingle: if i was going to base a case on that, i'd hope someone would mercy kill me for it [8/6/2012 6:23:27 PM] talismania: it must be the kind of thing that's just irresistible in scum qt [8/6/2012 6:23:42 PM] talismania: "holy shit he's literally asking for people's names" etc [8/6/2012 6:23:56 PM] Jingle: he jumped on that and then vanished completely after voting on WBG [8/6/2012 6:24:08 PM] talismania: he's not interested in the game really [8/6/2012 6:24:09 PM] Jingle: i don't like disappearing people who vanish after a wagon much [8/6/2012 6:24:21 PM] talismania: that's the biggest scumtell [8/6/2012 6:24:38 PM] talismania: like if you ever want to know if I'm scum, ask if I'm interested or not in the game [8/6/2012 6:24:54 PM] talismania: I hate playing scum so I tend to be passive and not post as much [8/6/2012 6:24:59 PM] talismania: hassy may have the same problem [8/6/2012 6:25:13 PM] talismania: also he has set himself a little trap [8/6/2012 6:25:22 PM] talismania: he mentions in his logs with toad that he is keeping game notes [8/6/2012 6:25:47 PM] talismania: so it will be interesting to see if he can actually produce those [8/6/2012 6:26:02 PM] talismania: as doing that as scum gets tiresome [8/6/2012 6:27:23 PM] Jingle: i don't keep notes as either alignment. when i played scum in newbie XVIII i avoided notes to force myself to stay contextual, and i do the same as a townie. making myself re-read filters is much better for avoiding stupid miscalculations that lead to mislynches [8/6/2012 6:27:39 PM] Jingle: at least for me [8/6/2012 6:27:56 PM] Jingle: notes would make me lazy, and i don't want to form a bad case and turn it into a mislynch because i get lazy [8/6/2012 6:27:59 PM] talismania: I tried notes twice but I always gave up after D1 [8/6/2012 6:28:54 PM] Jingle: oh shit, i gtg. need to grab a shower before i head out to wife's birthday dinner [8/6/2012 6:29:00 PM] talismania: have fun! [8/6/2012 6:29:01 PM] Jingle: i'll catch you later [8/6/2012 9:22:41 PM] Jingle: i do not understand erand. [8/6/2012 9:24:13 PM] Jingle: he sits there making all these points about VE, then votes WBG... [8/6/2012 9:25:04 PM] Jingle: then he throws an OMGUS on me, unless there's an actual case somewhere in the thread (oh right, I'm scummy because I didn't jump on the prp wagon when ordered) [8/6/2012 9:57:08 PM] talismania: don't understand why he's quitting the game too or if he actually is [8/6/2012 9:57:16 PM] talismania: drama queen city this game [8/6/2012 9:57:24 PM] Jingle: yeah no joke [8/6/2012 9:59:15 PM] Jingle: god people are failing quote tags [8/6/2012 9:59:17 PM] Jingle: drives me insane [8/6/2012 10:00:20 PM] talismania: lol love this countdropula [8/6/2012 10:00:57 PM] Jingle: he's got class. I just wish there were good cases in the thread. [8/6/2012 10:01:15 PM] Jingle: This game is going strange though. [8/6/2012 10:01:38 PM] talismania: it's playing like there's 12 people in it [8/6/2012 10:02:14 PM] Jingle: yeah. I could try to build cases, but ideally, we'd get lurkers into existence first. [8/6/2012 10:02:39 PM] talismania: it's just about consolidation time [8/6/2012 10:02:52 PM] Jingle: consolidate what? cases? [8/6/2012 10:02:56 PM] talismania: votes [8/6/2012 10:03:09 PM] talismania: maybe tomorrow morning though [8/6/2012 10:03:16 PM] talismania: well my time [8/6/2012 10:03:42 PM] Jingle: yeah, I don't think we've had anything productive yet to consolidate on. Maybe tomorrow, I can come out of the closet, and we can use the logs to work from. [8/6/2012 10:04:15 PM] talismania: mmm I would think about it from the other way around [8/6/2012 10:04:24 PM] talismania: like find something in the logs that yo uwan to persue, then go for that [8/6/2012 10:04:39 PM] talismania: just dumping the logs during the last part of the day phase would be too distracting [8/6/2012 10:04:44 PM] Jingle: true. [8/6/2012 10:05:27 PM] Jingle: idk, it's going to be entertaining to try and secure votes with nobody playing [8/6/2012 10:05:57 PM] Jingle: but that's kinda the only thing we can do [8/6/2012 10:06:02 PM] Jingle: good thing it's plurality [9:08:10 AM] Jingle: Ok, so I'm starting to wonder about dropula, just because of his nutjob spam shit hes doing [11:03:55 AM] Jingle: Well, judging by the current activity level, the voting today is going to be kinda stupid. [12:33:55 PM] talismania: the newb thing will go away after a few games [12:34:23 PM] Jingle: it's just the dumbest thing you can do in mafia... [12:34:31 PM] Jingle: discouraging discussion hurts the game [12:34:45 PM] Jingle: unless bke is scum... [12:35:02 PM] Jingle: changing the direction of the thread with an argument would make sense. [12:36:56 PM] talismania: thinking bke probably is actually [12:37:01 PM] talismania: he was touchy early [12:38:27 PM] Jingle: well, we've got VE, I think, and unless we're completely wrong about how he's going to flip, then bke trying to stop discussion on VE while VE is trying to scare votes off himself would make sense [12:38:43 PM] talismania: maybe hier too, maybe synystyr [12:39:02 PM] talismania: wbg still an outside possibility too but hard to say [12:39:03 PM] Jingle: plausible. there's so many people with no filter to read [12:39:10 PM] talismania: oh and hassy of course [12:39:13 PM] talismania: who's been really gone [12:40:31 PM] Jingle: the fun wifom, here, is whether VE is trying to ppush eran as a bus or as a mislynch [12:40:56 PM] Jingle: if he thinks he's more valuable than eran, since eran basically decided to quit on the game, a bus could be valuable [12:41:10 PM] Jingle: woot lunch just got here [12:42:59 PM] talismania: no the eran push doesn't smell like a bus [12:43:37 PM] Jingle: why not? [12:43:39 PM] Jingle: just curious [12:44:03 PM] talismania: because ve was on him before I was on VE [12:44:14 PM] talismania: so ve couldn't have known he was in danger [12:44:46 PM] Jingle: true, but he has been a focal point for most of the day [12:44:51 PM] Jingle: but a valid point [12:45:33 PM] Jingle: i am nervous that we have scum in the people who straight up aren't playing though. [12:45:45 PM] talismania: the inactives? [12:45:47 PM] Jingle: but hard to be sure without lynching into the suspicious players [12:45:48 PM] talismania: we do for sure [12:45:55 PM] talismania: I mean there's 5 scum [12:46:00 PM] talismania: bound to be at least one lurker [12:46:08 PM] Jingle: yeah makes sense [12:46:09 PM] talismania: but they always post before they vote [12:46:17 PM] Jingle: the question is more whether its active or passive lurkers [12:46:21 PM] talismania: that's how you find them, bnased on what they say in that post [12:46:28 PM] talismania: usually active lurkers [12:46:32 PM] talismania: like glasse maybe? [12:46:37 PM] talismania: although he's been loopy [12:47:18 PM] Jingle: yeah, possible. idk. I think at this point, I'ma wait and see how VE flips, then go back through filters and the voting. [12:47:23 PM] Jingle: that's where i do my best work [12:47:57 PM] Jingle: i really don't think ve is gona flip town, of course, but there's never guarantees. [12:48:17 PM] talismania: I really hope he doesn't or I don't know why he's been playing like this [12:48:55 PM] Jingle: yeah. I really don't like snb, but I'm pretty sure i just don't like him. [12:49:02 PM] Jingle: as opposed to a scum thing. [12:49:11 PM] talismania: mmm I think he's town but we'll see [12:49:45 PM] Jingle: if lazermonkey is scummy, I couldn't make a case if I wanted to, it would just start an argument after I had to deal with him in newbie XX. [12:50:01 PM] talismania: lazer? [12:50:04 PM] talismania: he seems really town to me [12:50:25 PM] Jingle: Dude was completely irrational, he asked for a modkill on me when I wouldn't switch my vote off the guy who the confirmed DT checked as red. [12:50:31 PM] Jingle: and he was town at the time. [12:50:40 PM] Jingle: called it me playing against wincon [12:51:01 PM] Jingle: so if he ever ends up looking scummy, i can't even make the case myself. [1:35:08 PM] talismania: you were talking about toad right? [1:35:12 PM] Jingle: yeah [1:35:16 PM] talismania: just say that to lazer no need to get mad [1:35:19 PM] Jingle: blatantly obvious [1:35:27 PM] Jingle: dude has a problem with me [1:35:32 PM] talismania: he probably thought it was me or something [1:39:34 PM] Jingle: he's a pain in the ass [1:40:02 PM] Jingle: that whole game was dumb, but yeah. [6:14:12 PM] Jingle: I hope no crazy shit comes up at the last minute, I got to leave about a half hour before deadline for TKD... [6:14:30 PM] talismania: there's always something [6:14:38 PM] talismania: I'm interested to see if the 5 or so votes that are missing show up [6:14:46 PM] talismania: oh nvm I guess it's like 3 [6:15:12 PM] Jingle: if not, we might get some flips... unfortunately, i really doubt the scum lurkers will miss votes, so they wouldn't be helpful flips The Talis conversation also shows why I stopped being interested in Eran, since I'm sure my in-thread explanation was a bit light in the pants for most people. 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Marv is gonna have to start smurfing from now on. Its tough when the town goes AFK cause everyone's like "no one else is on so why should I post?" Real heart wrencher with Marv and the CD thing. Thanks Marv! Town MVP! | ||
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On August 17 2012 12:18 Hier wrote: Didn't seem like Marv played that big of a role. Our non-DT checked mafia lynches came from Talis and BKE. Truth is I was sheeping Marv and Talis. My JH mason read was pretty good I'll be it. Underneath the shit the were the two making sense. I wouldn't have gone after VE at all if not for the Talis case. VE was only neutral to me before then. Hassy couldve been scum but wouldve been hard based on inactivity. Grats on Marv for the JH callout. | ||
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On August 17 2012 10:29 Glasse wrote: I guess that was a modkill? Oh well, synystyr was my night target anyway. The WBG hit wasn't that bad. We probably would've mislynched and got a couple more townies NK. You hid well though A+++ for Grush shot lol. | ||
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On August 17 2012 15:18 strongandbig wrote: lololol scum didn't read the skype log I called out glasse in that log with toad haha also I totally thought marv was scum when lazermonkey got shot instead of him, wtf. Ahhhh nice call. BKE gives marv a hi five. Looking back I dont think anyone read those logs. | ||
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On August 17 2012 16:39 Hier wrote: Well, I was under the impression that Talis found the QT only after he died. I don't really know how much cheating was done by whom. I dont think WBG knows for sure, but the circumstances do seem kinda strange. With town getting a kill streak and all. | ||
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