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On August 10 2012 09:14 marvellosity wrote:
i'm not lynching talis based on a DT check from a mystery person through another non-confirmed person
is this chinese whispers mafia or soemthing?
I mentioned it. I'm not saying we should lynch him based on that either and should ignore it right now because there's no way to know if it's really a DT. Not even for me so I guess we agree.
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On August 10 2012 09:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 09:14 JingleHell wrote:On August 10 2012 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
who the fudge is X? And that succinctly covers why not many people are voting based on it. We all have the same question. Toad is withholding the info. well yeah because I was asked to. If the guy tells the truth we can get way more out of it with this proxy. I could tell another mason to mason him so that he can get the next read the next cycle. If the mason lies the DT can just claim, I can confirm the DT and we found ourselves a mafia-mason after already finding mafia-Talis.
Telling the name doesn't really change a thing. jesus christ, are you scum? A DT check's reliability isn't based on the trustworthiness of the person in question? ????????
well if the red check is against the #1 or at least #2 scumread in the game I don't really see how the name makes much of a difference.
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On August 10 2012 09:18 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 09:14 JingleHell wrote:On August 10 2012 09:13 marvellosity wrote:
who the fudge is X? And that succinctly covers why not many people are voting based on it. We all have the same question. Toad is withholding the info. well yeah because I was asked to. If the guy tells the truth we can get way more out of it with this proxy. I could tell another mason to mason him so that he can get the next read the next cycle. If the mason lies the DT can just claim, I can confirm the DT and we found ourselves a mafia-mason after already finding mafia-Talis. Telling the name doesn't really change a thing. wtf is this lol? how do you expect to tell another mason who the DT is in private? How would you know that that mason wasn't scum?
idk, via PM's perhaps?
I just said, even if the next Mason is a mafia he has to tell the truth or he is busted because both the DT and I can confirm wether he's telling the truth or not.
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Screw this. I can't not talk about this without looking like a complete idiot and not answering makes people wonder what's going on... sry bc but this is retarded:
The guy in question is Xsebt. He's apparently a DT or a mafia. I never masoned him. He's breaking the rules and pm'ed me out of nowhere, I asked BC if he's a mason and if we're masoned assuming I caught a scum in him because he didn't realize that a mason can't be a DT at the same time (because again, he was the guy contacting me and mafia CAN be two roles at the same time), turned out I am not masoned with the guy and he was not allowed to pm me in the first place.
However I posted the very first and second message, asking Talis about it to get some reactions after I read the pm. How am I supposed to know that something like that happens...
I was told that Talis is a mafia goon, that I am Peter Cambell the mason, which is correct and he is probably about to get modkilled the moment BC comes back.
Screw you all and see you tomorrow. I'm going to bed. I'm not going to look like a complete idiot just to make up for this dude's mistake. Take whatever you want from that.
And BC I suggest not modkilling him. That way noone knows wether I'm full of shit, wether Xsebt is full of shit or wether it's Talis who's full of shit and people have to decide based on analysis, simple as that.
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Oh and btw:
On August 05 2012 21:00 XsebT wrote:
I agree that countdropula's voting pattern and reasoning during d1 is pointing towards scum. He is all over the place with his accusations. Lazermonkey's analysis points this out quite well.
Talismania, I was too inactive during d1, so a "default scum" accusation is probably in its place. If you keep having concerns, just ask me more direct questions. I'm not quite able to keep up with you guys when it comes to posting. I will be brief and to the point when posting.
That said, I don't know why you would throw out so many scum accusations so early on, while already in the spotlight with wbg from d1. You should fear for your own survival in this game. If you're town, I consider the accusations a bad move.
I guess that's supposed to be a breadcrumb.
But that's it for me. Now I'm really going to bed. I already managed to mislynch into prplhz and told someone to shoot WBG (I guess?) and now I'm probably the reason for a third townie being modkilled.
Read: I already killed as many townies as I did in Arkham City without being an infinite vig or haven bullets at all. Those BC games are cursed for me 
See you tomorrow.
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now I can't sleep
On August 10 2012 10:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
That breadcrumb needs more bread. Or crumb. Or something. That was pretty useless imo. I hope to be back in 3ish hours to check back on the thread.
Unless we get some direction from BC/Rasta on what the hell just happened this discussion needs to be tabled for later imo.
Reads, cases, all that good stuff. Let's get back on course here.
Well the message emphasizes d1 3 times, and it has "default scum" in quotation marks after talis' name.
Why did he say he's a "default scum" read instead of just saying Talis is one of his mafia reads? Why the quotation marks out of nowhere?
Check is filter and you'll see that he starts tunneling Talis like CRAZY ever after that post and does nothing besides voting him.
On August 10 2012 10:03 talismania wrote:
Bottom line:
xsebt - DT
talismania - miller
toad - town mason
jinglehell - town mason
VE - scum mason
hassybaby - scum mason (?)
BKE - scum goon
Count Dropula - scum godfather (Sinensis smurf - has to be someone who played with zeph in NMM II)
hier - scum goon
I think I know who the vig is as well but I won't say.
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I say we lynch VE and have xsebt check BKE. If neither comes up red, lynch me tomorrow.
See either you are mafia or this guy is mafia right now. That being said I don't really like following your advice in this situation.
Sure could be you're a miller, this guy is really a DT and I successfully killed two townies with one lynch (lynched a miller and got a DT modkilled) but come on, how likely is that? You're the top mafia read that isn't a vet for everyone in this game for a reason.
I said your set-up speculation isn't alignment indicating but you're still scummy. That doesn't make you town.
Seeing how Eran said jingle has to be mafia, how s&b said jingle has to be mafia and how he's reacting this last couple of hours I'm not to set on hassy being the mafia mason either.
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On August 10 2012 10:21 talismania wrote:
And also, toad, for the love of god why do you think xsebt is mafia or I'm mafia. Neither of us are. His behavior is EXACTLY what it should be for a DT that gets a redcheck (although I might have considered claiming it outright in his case).
I'm not taking the possibility of you being a miller as a chance.
Either he is a mafia who tried he could manipulate me by claiming DT in pms without realizing how masons work, in which case you're town.
Or he is a DT and found a mafia when checking you.
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On August 10 2012 10:22 JingleHell wrote:
Toad, you're ranting on and on about how good you are at getting townies killed, and you want to make me out to be scum because I was wrong about the guy? If Xsebt shows up and claims, I'm more than happy to lynch on a DT claim. I'm curious what, out of me wanting more information, makes me somehow scummy.
And I don't like how you're screaming Talis is some giant scumread, when he's basically been lower on the radar than a lot of people who ended up dead, all of whom YOU were pushing for.
I told people to protect sloOsh, I said grush is a townie, I said Eran is a townie and only idiots would vote him and I said s&b is a townie.
The only one being dead I pushed for was prplhz. Well and wbg who probably got shot but he was pushing for his own death himself so that one doesn't count.
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On August 10 2012 10:22 JingleHell wrote:
Toad, you're ranting on and on about how good you are at getting townies killed, and you want to make me out to be scum because I was wrong about the guy? If Xsebt shows up and claims, I'm more than happy to lynch on a DT claim. I'm curious what, out of me wanting more information, makes me somehow scummy.
And I don't like how you're screaming Talis is some giant scumread, when he's basically been lower on the radar than a lot of people who ended up dead, all of whom YOU were pushing for.
Also I'm not ranting about how you are (are you?) wrong about the guy. I'm ranting about your reaction and how you're protecting him out of nowhere, without giving a reason or anything at all, without doubting for a second that Talis has to be the townie in this set-up. That's the reason I'm reconsidering you.
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On August 10 2012 10:33 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 10:23 Toadesstern wrote:On August 10 2012 10:21 talismania wrote:
And also, toad, for the love of god why do you think xsebt is mafia or I'm mafia. Neither of us are. His behavior is EXACTLY what it should be for a DT that gets a redcheck (although I might have considered claiming it outright in his case). I'm not taking the possibility of you being a miller as a chance. Either he is a mafia who tried he could manipulate me by claiming DT in pms without realizing how masons work, in which case you're town. Or he is a DT and found a mafia when checking you. toad toad TOAD aghgh hahahaha. It's on your shoulders here I think. By the way, can you actually post the PMs? We need to treat this like a public claim, so I'd like to see exactly what he wrote. There's a chance I can actually prove that he's a DT, so this is very important.
I guess. If I'm going to be in trouble for saying stuff although BC told me not to I'm probably already in trouble...:
#1, Maybe important notes: He misspelled names
Original Message From XsebT: [... Actually the 2nd pm is of no use ...] Show nested quote +Original Message From Toadesstern: Going to doublecheck with BC before answering people in pm's :p Original Message From XsebT:
Good morning Peter Cambell the Mason!
Let me introduce my self, I'm Michael Ginsberg the Detective.
Anyway, let's stop fucking around and lynch Talismania, shall we? I DT checked him the first night where he flipped as Henry Francais the Mafia Goon. You've been suspicious of him your self, but also kind of brought down that suspicion because the effort he is putting in to the game. You need to see through his bullshit.
Your accusation have been kind of a spree in this game, but I feel comfortable in this check - that you're town.
[... Part I feel like leaving out because he's talking about what he's going to do the next night ...]
Talismania is today's lynch.
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On August 10 2012 10:41 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2012 10:13 Hier wrote:
Talis, or we can lynch you today, after Xsebt gets modkilled and flips town DT, sounds good? You kind of assume you are a miller. Does this smell incredibly off to anyone else? Like I can't logically put my finger on it but my brain is screaming at me that this is a scumslip or something. Like, if he's saying that xsebt is going to flip town DT, then why does he state after that that I assume I'm a miller? What else do I assume in that case? Like, is he trying to say that I am incorrectly assuming that I'm a miller, and therefore that xsebt is scum? That's the only logical way to interpret those two sentences but I'm fairly sure that's not what he was getting at.
he's trying to say you're trying to hard to sell the idea that you're a miller while the assumption that you're a mafia makes way more sense unless we're in your position and you REALLY are a townie miller.
From our point the assumption that you're a miller makes no sense.
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On August 10 2012 14:48 Lazermonkey wrote:
Talis needs to die. We cannot judge him by his defense. There are two possible explanation for his play here.
1) He is miller.
2) He is scum but wants to act as miller as it's the only way he might survive.
Out of these two 2 is much more likely than 1. So unless you had a very convincing town read to start with, you should vote him.
That's exactly the point. I'm not even saying what talis is posting is looking more like a mafia (except for the fact that he's leaving out the mafia scenarios when talking but no idea how you guys think about that) but if he is mafia he can't just get in here and tell people
"sup dudes, I got a red check on me, ignore it and lynch someone else because I say so".
He has to deal with it no matter of alignment.
Besides I'd be up for lynching Zeph as well. I don't realy like how he was so furious and mad about someone breaking the rules and suddenly went on to sweettalk me like that when he said "Toad is't not your fault. Xsebt is the guy who did something wrong".
I get that you're mad if someone breaks the rules but it felt over the top. Not even Talis was anywhere as mad and he's the center of all this after all.
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Well duh. I told you at least 3 times to ignore it, stop asking about it and pretend like I never said a thing about it.
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On August 10 2012 23:20 marvellosity wrote:
it's not something that can be ignored. It's something that needs to be dealt with.
well but BC is most likely not going to confirm a thing. Right now what we have is a public claim. Believe it or not but the moment BC comes in this thread and confirms it that's a modconfirmed red DT check on someone.
He can't do that so again, take from it what you want. I can't prove a thing but you wanted me to tell you anyways. BC is most likely going to act with the next night-post or maybe even not before postgame, who knows.
We're best to assume there's not going to be a word from BC about this.
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back and sorry I was gone today so far. I'm going to be a little more available but as I see it we need to make sure either Talis or Zeph gets lynched, no matter which one.
To make that happen get a lot of people on the same guy, right?
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Can we get a votecount? I'm way to tired to check that myself...
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Well at least I was right once. If we got a vig with bullets left, shoot talis pretty please.
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don't listen to talis please :3
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On August 12 2012 00:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
Would you care to elaborate at all MrZentor? Can you address the GF theory that Talis has laid out and why you disagree with him?
Well we had a red check on Talis and CD was in favor of a Zeph lynch that ended up lynching a mafia instead of just voting Talis, which would have been the easiest way to "store" his vote no matter of talis alignment.
Give me a single reason to think CD is mafia given the situation right now.
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