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On August 04 2012 04:11 Toadesstern wrote: Although the updated list would probably be: Talis Prplhz Zephirdd VE WBG EWBOP Forgot bugs Thing is: Last time I checked my nickname it wasn't foolishness so again, I think someone is playing weird on purpose  Not to mention that prplhz+WBG+VE would be OP as fuck. | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:25 slOosh wrote: So what specifically about Prplhz sticks out to you? Okay so I'm doing this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=14#264 and prplhz answers with this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=14#265 I considered his post reasonable. My post had nothing in it other than some colored names. The normal reaction should be "why?" and he did that. Next thing he does is this himself after "calling me out" on my first post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=15#295 As mentioned. I obviously thought this is a joke or some reaction fishing to test how glasse reacts or wether or not some idiots join in and yell "yeah, let's lynch that mofu! Totally agree". Why I thought it has to be a joke? Look at glasse's filter. The guy had 3 posts back then. Two posts that read nothing to me and one I actually liked. His "case" involves all 3 posts glass did: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=15#299 1st post: I have never played with glasse and it's his first post. It's useless. No shit sherloc. Let's check the first post of some guys and you'll realize that most stuff is useless or even trollish. 2nd post: I kind of agree with what prplhz posted here, however as mentioned I never played with glasse. If this guy is a vet I never heard about, that's a bad post. If this guy is some new guy, like I care lol 3rd post: I actually liked that post and considered it a possibility myself. WBG could have made both things up, knowing that at least VE was not around to get some reactions. I don't see that as undermining WBG at all. It's saying "hey guys, let's not get to much into this and wait until we get a confirmation from VE and Eran on this". That's reasonable. So again, I considered this to be a joke and thought prplhz is fishing for reactions because there's no way he actually thinks that way imo. But he admitted he actually meant what he posted so that's really weird. | ||
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On August 04 2012 04:56 BioSC wrote: Can we pretty please have a filter list in the OP? PWEEESE? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=9#162 Page 9 :p | ||
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So I'd actually assume BC is picking guys and trying to fit them to people to troll / be funny but that's not helping at all. | ||
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On August 04 2012 07:02 Zephirdd wrote: I made a mini-case on talismania if you are interested. When wbg instaclaims he is masoned with VE, and then later with Erandorr, my initial thought is that he is outing masons because it's likely that masons are scum. Simple as that. My notes on prplhz are "baiting". I don't find him disruptive and he is making sense. Will re-read tho. The thing about prplhz is that I thought he's baiting as well but he said he's honest with what he said | ||
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On August 04 2012 07:13 talismania wrote: zeph and toad, thoughts on the other? don't ask the same things over and over again especially when those questions are already answered. This is making me want to lynch you first even more. Although WBG is pretty tempting as well. | ||
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On August 04 2012 07:28 talismania wrote: filter check... ok so you put him in your rainbow list but I don't see any other mention. So... ? don't know, I only know I mentioned him at least once. I'm done answering things for today, see you guys tomorrow and hopefully some people start doing "stuff". I'm especially looking at WBG and VE. I don't want you to defend yourself because I called you weird/mafia once VE. If I really wanted you dead RIGHT NAO I'd keep explaining stuff instead of just keeping you on my list. That's nothing considering you're VE, I'm Toad and I'm talking to you, remember last game? So do something. WBG had literally done nothing so far and I can't tell if he genuinely is pissed so far or if he's trying to fake being pissed. Either way that's not helping right now. And the shitton of people who are about to be modkilled need to get in here. I highly doubt that all of the mafias are within this group of people actually playing the game. | ||
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On August 04 2012 18:51 strongandbig wrote: man bugs you can do better than this. what, did you forget that VE and I were in wheel of fortune too? Ace's Scum 101: get town to lynch people for being bad rather than for being scum. I mean, I may be bad but I'm not stupid. Playing like Ace only works when you're Ace and always play like Ace. Town wbg would realize that this logic is terrible. Town wbg wouldn't give multiple different explanations for outing masons on day 1 without discussing it with them and without participating with the town discussion of whether masons should claim. (for reference, those explanations were "because VE and I are good and this way medics might medic us", and "to pressure the masons") Town wbg wouldn't try to lead a lynch on a bad player just for being bad, without making a case, etc. This isn't town wbg. ##vote: wherebugsgo Exactly this. Still re-reading but I like this post and I think lynching WBG should be the way to go today. Out of my 5-man list I consider VE to be the guy who is the least likely to flip mafia. I'm a little scared Talis might actually think the way he posts so I'd rather go for either WBG or Prplhz. After WoF I'd say WBG is the way to go because I saw Prplhz fail pretty hard in there, so I want to give him some time for now. Zephird is just like VE one of the weaker reads. I can't stop but getting the fealing that WBG is faking all this being pissed and his reasoning for outing masons is still non-existent. It's the same thing like claiming mafia in irc-mafia because there's not much ups and downs for that besides being a bold move. I could have maybe come up with a reasoning for why he outed VE given that it's VE. Something like "Well the dude is VE, he's going to claim within the next 12hours ANYWAYS so might as well get over it now". With Erandorr being outed as well that's not longer a possibility and except for the whole thing being a bold move I don't see a reason to do it at all. This is mafia Bugs doing bold moves on purposes for the sake of doing something bold, because people think mafia don't do stuff like that. There's no other purpose of this whole shenanigan he did. | ||
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On August 04 2012 19:56 wherebugsgo wrote: Number 1: I did not give multiple explanations for outting the masons. I gave one. I don't see how you asserting that I gave multiple explanations is an indication that I did. Secondly, I don't give a fuck about mason discussion in this game because it's a waste of time. Masons can claim and it has absolutely no bearing on their alignment. This isn't like the setups I run where claiming actually matters significantly because they're almost certainly confirmed town. Third, how is being a mason not being alignment indicative (a fucking fact of the setup) "terrible logic"? Fourth, there is absolutely something wrong with you if you think I am a better lynch than grush. Grush is playing to his LVI meta. If you don't care to read LVI, then you can continue being bad. Also, I'm not voting grush for being bad. He's going to be bad regardless of his alignment, but I've already pointed out how as town he doesn't actually troll this hard, unless he's somehow become even worse than he already was. Yes, your point on grush: On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV. I would strongly suggest to anyone who gets masoned to out the person who masoned them from now on. If both Eran and VE are town then the likelihood of a third mason being town is incredibly low. Thus if there is a scum mason they'd be unlikely to use it (win for us). I'm pretty sure both VE and Eran are town (for now). In particular Eran is almost certainly town because he really wants me to prove I'm town (encouraging me to get on skype, for example) something I don't think he'd do as scum. Anyone voting for him right now (Jingle) needs to also read his posts. Some of the logic might be bad but that doesn't make Eran scum. ##vote grush57 That's not a point. I'm not lynching someone because you say his first post is so weird that it alone (wtf) is enough to be sure he has to be mafia. Come on. | ||
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On August 04 2012 20:04 wherebugsgo wrote: at the time it was his only post in the game, and it fit his mafia meta. All his posts since then have simply affirmed that. I usually don't say "his only post he did so far makes it clear he is X" nevertheless. However I'm checking for grushs town games give me a sec. | ||
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On July 03 2012 11:06 grush57 wrote: ##Vote: HomerunBat GEEET HIM On July 04 2012 03:20 grush57 wrote: gg iGrok talismania scum team. NICE SLIGHT PRESSURE U TWO! ##Unvote: HomerunBat ##Vote: IGrok What's the difference between those posts from SSB-64 and the one post you quoted that made you instantly think the guy has to be mafia? | ||
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On August 04 2012 20:24 wherebugsgo wrote: I didn't play in SSB64. However if we're going to cherry pick quotes then look at these from LV (town) and LVI (scum) The first one looks like it is something way more into the day than what we're talking about: D1 openers or D1 talk in general. Correct me if I'm wrong. What I quoted was his 3rd post from SSB-64, if you want to see more go ahead: + Show Spoiler [grush-SSB64] + On July 02 2012 10:56 grush57 wrote: My first pick was Samus, didn't get him. On July 03 2012 03:36 grush57 wrote: Alright. On July 03 2012 11:06 grush57 wrote: ##Vote: HomerunBat GEEET HIM On July 04 2012 01:32 grush57 wrote: Yall wanna tussle? On July 04 2012 01:41 grush57 wrote: I already found scum day1, just waiting for the deadline bro. On July 04 2012 01:58 grush57 wrote: GOOD WAY TO DIVERT THE ATTENTION SCUM ............... On July 04 2012 03:20 grush57 wrote: gg iGrok talismania scum team. NICE SLIGHT PRESSURE U TWO! ##Unvote: HomerunBat ##Vote: IGrok Here you go, that's no longer cherrypicking. That's quoting 1:1 what he posted (filter: clicky me!). Except for his first post everything he posted is like the one post you quoted. But than again, SSB-64 had this PYP mechanic so you obviously have to inform people about your picks if you didn't get your first pick, so I'm pretty sure he would have done the first post no matter of alignment. Again. I don't see a difference between those two "metas" that would instantly trigger an wtf-dude-got-to-be-mafia after his very first post. On another note: What did you think about the case prplhz did on glasse? | ||
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Just saying. | ||
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On August 04 2012 20:44 wherebugsgo wrote: in PMs. also, think about this: Erandor's entire case against me hinges on me publicly outting mafia masons (as a scum tactic.) If I were scum and I knew VE and Erandorr were town masons why wouldn't I just privately tell my team instead of posting to the thread? because outing masons, no matter of alignment will make you a topic in the discussion. You're not the guy who's scared of being in the light as mafia at all. You want to be in the light and manipulate people. Outing both will probably be considered a bold move by most people who don't know you that well. Looking at the playerfield and the fact that mafia has 2KP while there are only VERY few people in this game who I'd consider to be vets I'd say it looks like a pretty good strategy for mafia and on top of that something mafia-Bugs would like to do. Especially if there was talk about wether or not we should claim being masoned. At the same time I don't think Town-WBG would do that. Your move did not bring VE in the spotlight, neither did it bring Eran in the spotlight. Yeah Eran is a topic right now but that's because you and him are having a pissing contest. The only one being in the spotlight because of your claim are you. I know how much you hate it when I do stuff like that as town and you tell me to shut up every time I do something like that. Now you're doing the same thing. I don't think Town-WBG would like something like that AT ALL. | ||
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We're not getting anything about erans or VEs reactions and I'm pretty sure the majority of their reactions are within PM-land where you can read them, but noone else. This information is worth a damn if you're the only one being able to read it and keep telling us "well Eran and VE are town because of their reactions, trust me!". This is the very thing you hated about me when I was a mason in my last game. I played like the game revolves around me and considering how much contra you're giving me on things like that I really think you'd be aware of a situation like that yourself. | ||
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On August 04 2012 21:14 wherebugsgo wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On August 04 2012 20:50 strongandbig wrote: oh yeah and the answer to your bolded question at the end of your last post is: 1. because VE is good enough to breadcrumb who he masons, and you publicly announcing it gives you cover to kill him without revealing that you're scum. (ie, if you just killed him we would look through his filter, find his breadcrumb, and kill you.) 2. For the same reason you want us to be talking about grush and killing him for his first post not being good: to leave town in a state of disorganized confusion. 1. I could out him as my buddy after I killed him if I was scum. In fact that's what any townie would do in the case that the guy who masoned him died. It's completely indistinguishable regardless of alignment. Your argument falls apart when you realize that Occam's Razor favors my side over yours. Your argument is convoluted as shit. It involves breadcrumbs when it doesn't need to. If you have to resort to that kind of argument then clearly you're stretching. 2. Killing grush doesn't disorganize town, it gets rid of some guy who's going to do nothing but troll anyway. Since his mafia meta is to troll, clearly you kill two birds with one stone. On August 04 2012 20:48 strongandbig wrote: Yeah you did. First you said it was so mafia would have to wifom over whether to shoot you and VE, then you said it was to pressure VE. These aren't two different explanations. It's ONE explanation with THREE parts (one which you missed, btw.) It would be suspicious if I went back and said "no that's not what I meant, I meant THIS" because then I would be flip flopping. Having multiple reasons for something being good is simply an indication of it being...well, good. You can argue semantics but from a scumhunting perspective it only matters if your target changed his explanation. If the explanation hasn't changed then there's nothing wrong. So, for clarity's sake (in other words, for you jubjubs  1. Outting the masons pressures them. My number one goal was to distinguish town and scum masons. Pressuring them is the fastest way to do that. 2. If the mason is indeed town then it gives medics a good target to protect (particularly VE if he is town; he can play well as town, although as of late I think he's been sucking) which means mafia are wary of shooting them. They can take a chance of doublestack, both bad for them. 3. Lastly if the mason is town then it discourages mafia masons from using their power in fear of being publicly outted and scrutinized among a small pool of players. Sucks to be in the spotlight as scum. On August 04 2012 20:48 strongandbig wrote: That's not the part that's wrong. The part that's wrong is "therefore outting a mason is rather worthless." This is probably just you not understanding what I was saying because of my carelessness with the sentence. Possessing the role of mason in this game says nothing about your alignment. Therefore, if I out someone as a mason it doesn't tell anyone anything about whether they are town or mafia (therefore the act itself is worthless in terms of determining their alignment.) What is important, though, is their reaction to the pressure. On August 04 2012 20:50 strongandbig wrote: Erandorr's case has jack shit to do with why I think you're scum. jack shit. That's okay, since your thought process is just as bad and wrong as his. Yeah well fuck you very much too. Seriously after how pissed you got at RoL for trolling bureaucracy mafia, and now you're trying to get us to think you're a self-voting pissed townie? I don't buy it. (also playing against wincon etcetera.) Given how much you want to lynch me, then you should welcome the help. No matter what I do, you're going to call me scum. That's a given, because you're using the worst logic I've ever seen to call me scum, and Erandorr in particular won't stop tunneling me. Thus, given my reputation as a scum player (in particular) I will always be a lynch candidate. Is it playing against my wincondition? No, actually. If I'm always going to be a lynch candidate and if my lynch is going to take up all the discussion space then it's actually BENEFICIAL to town to kill me right here, right now. Why? Because then you can stop wasting time and For the record both grush and prplhz are 95% scum to me. I'm just reading really quick because I'm about to go and get me something to eat but if that's the case why are you pushing grush instead of prplhz? I asked about the vets for a reason. I know not every host balances into new guys / medium guys / vet guys but some do. Given what you said so far you should really want to lynch into the vet group. You think Eran is town You think VE is town You know you are town, if you really are That's already 3 vets who got a townie-sticker in your notes. So even if you had no clue about who is mafia process of elimination is already giving you huge advantages here and I was quite surprised to see you're not pushing for prplhz or me the moment you said Eran and VE are town according to your reads. Instead you're going for the guy who has to be mafia because of his very first post. Keeping in mind that grush is not belonging to the VET-group and either belongs to the newbie or the medium group and both groups being way more massive, I have a hard time understanding why you're pushing grush based on that one post instead of prplhz. Even if you don't care about balance, after all there are hosts who don't balance like that, I don't get why you're pushing grush instead of prplhz. Grush is some random dude who's not that good at playing mafia. At least I wouldn't hold him accountable on his performance. Prplhz on the other hand is. Sure he's not foolishness but he's way more "stable" than some random dude and what he does may or may not be good but he does it for a reason, while trying to understand someone of Grush's caliber is always a little like spinning a wheel to see what's going to happen. I don't get why you would want to push Grush in the situation at all, unless of course the reasoning is "we lynch bad players for being bad". That's horrible enough if you do that, but if you're doing that with guys who aren't even considered to be good at all that's even worse. | ||
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On August 04 2012 08:51 BroodKingEXE wrote: wtf? hey there. What about your opinion? You're reading the thread. When we had a modkill you insta-delurked within 3 minutes and posted this. It's still the only post you did since this game started. Thoughts? | ||
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WBG or Prplhz Talis Zephirdd Ghost403 + some 5th guy, maybe the smurf idk the logs between WBG and Eran would indeed give a good idea about wether it's WBG or Prplhz. | ||
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