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On August 04 2012 04:11 Toadesstern wrote: Although the updated list would probably be: Talis Prplhz Zephirdd VE This is literally your only mention of him so no you didn't talk about him. You replied to him a couple of times but no other comment. So how'd he end up on your rainbow list? | ||
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if it comes down to a policy lynch getting rid of grush is fine by me but I'd prefer waiting 12 more hours before rallying for it. BKE is also a policy lynch for me given that he's apparently following the thread close enough to post within 3 minutes of zorkmid leaving but not contributing at all. | ||
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On August 04 2012 08:16 Hier wrote: I am so impressed, Erandorr, you are so elaborate. Nobody even remotely suspects you of being mafia. You painted yourself to be a very big opponent of mason claims. + Show Spoiler [As seen here] + On August 03 2012 12:26 Erandorr wrote: YO talismania : wtf So lets see. Townie masons are kind of bad because all you can do is privatly talk to someone to get information and a feeling of not some random player, but someone you want to talk to more? Also explain the bolded part please. Why are you focused on how a town mason is looking trying to get information? Are you serious? Can you really think of no reason how a scum mason could be useful? Yeah those kind of speculations always work out and are totally valid and never before produced complete retard lynches! Okay. So would I be correct in saying that you think the mason role is so shitty that having it claimed wouldn't really help anyways, so why bother? If I misunderstood feel free to elaborate. Why? I can think of reasons not to claim that, actually. And just because you can do something doesn't really mean you should , right? But mafia either already knows who the masons are by receiving PMs, or sleep soundly at night knowing the masons are bickering among the townies in private, accusing each other of being scum behind each others' backs. Along comes WBG and gives away VE, to which you replied: WBG confirms his stance on revealing masons, and has already done so in practice with an attitude that would assure anyone that he would easily do it again. + Show Spoiler [Here] + On August 03 2012 21:10 Erandorr wrote: Sorry wbg, I am just too retarded to understand you. Within the same hour you mason WBG and get your role revealed. This warrants WBG's reveal of your role being anti-town; your role specifically, revealing VE was just "retarded", not necessarily anti-town. If you had filed your mason request before WBG revealed VE, he would have revealed both of you at the same time. BC was online at the time, as per his voting thread announcement, allowing for all of this to happen in rapid succession. You have abused WBG's rash decision making to your advantage, which I commend. + Show Spoiler [Time of BC's post] + On August 03 2012 21:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Please move all voting into the voting thread I just created Here Thank you Erandorr's reasonings: + Show Spoiler [Here] + On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote: I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. + Show Spoiler [And here] + On August 04 2012 01:37 Erandorr wrote: Its a completely anti town move to out people like that without thoughts on alignment or actually any information. They may have been context with VE, but I thought of it as trading my role for confirming wbg as scum. it is that easy. + Show Spoiler [Finally here] + On August 04 2012 01:40 Erandorr wrote: EBWOP: at that point I wasnt actually certain that wbg was scum at all. Something else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me? Suddenly you become the victim of something you, apparently, could not forsee, making you look town. You try to convince people that WBG's move was anti-town, while the move against VE "may have been context", or was just "retarded", but not anti-town yet. It doesn't even matter whether WBG is town or mafia! He could be scum, and you may have asked him to rat you out without you even being a mason. I don't know. But you, Erandorr, I am very impressed with. That was clever. I will strive to be like you in the future. Who are you breadcrumbing here? Pete Campbell? | ||
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On August 04 2012 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Circumstances of the specific player in question resulted in a direct modkill rather then replacement. I will go into more detail upon game ending but until then please hold discussion of it. Any chance I can get that list of 24 char names I asked for? Just for my own amusement I know I won't be able to game the setup with them. Just curious to see who you put in. | ||
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On August 04 2012 10:16 talismania wrote: Also do you mind sorting what his actual role was? Is there a reason that bit of the pm is missing? Smells Any chance I can get that list of 24 char names I asked for? Just for my own amusement I know I won't be able to game the setup with them. Just curious to see who you put in. Wild guess but smells like someone mason'd him, then he revealed his role pm or something to the guy, the mason turned him in to the host for cheating. | ||
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I honestly don't know why the logs between wbg and ve and between wbg and eran haven't been made public yet. Hell if I were mason I would invite all my masonees to a qt and then post the link in the thread if I got outed or outed myself. ______________ My thoughts: zephirdd I don't think is as scummy as I once thought he was. Think I already said this but fine to reiterate I suppose. I remember that his meta as town is actually to be scummy. Like in PickYourPoison I genuinely thought he was scum, and I was scum and knew he was town he was that scummy. In this game, the thing that made me suspicious was the way he leaped at opportunities to point out all the littlest inconsistencies in people's posts, even if they were plausibly inconsequential. I also didn't like how he hopped onto a wagon on me in a semi-desperate way. People were pressuring him and he's all "uh btw I made a case on talis!". On the other hand, what makes me think he's less scummy now is the way the wagon formed on him. In particular the post by count dropula raised all sorts of red flags with me. toad I think is maybe a little more scummy than I thought. Originally I thought he was scummy because of how he latched on to me without like really latching on to me. I mean I was all red letters before anyone else is and reading back, as I said before, it never really felt like it. I dunno it's strange. I also think it's funny how he accuses me of being scum because my first post wasn't like my normal first posts as town, and then he cites a first post I made as scum. I've played with toad before as mafia and the way he thinks about the game can be summed up in the QT here: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/2qFy6VgjSnW He's very opportunistic when it comes to lynches. He goes for low-hanging fruit. He will switch his top targets without much explanation (HiroPro - Navillus D1 PYP, Talis - WBG D1 here). He will push vet lynches (from the QT: "I'm trying to get people lynch into vets or into hiro.") with references to team balance. Here's an apropos quote from that thread on the topic: WBG is just plain ridiculous right now and he's way better as town than what we see here. Add that to what I mentioned earlier about him (not knowing the d0 cycle was only 24 hours, not posting) and I feel like wbg would be the best vet to lynch into if I can convince you to lynch into a vet Another thing I have in mind right now is balance. Do you really think a team like Rad proposed (Toad + Risk + Zephirdd?) is likely? Against Town-WBG, against Town-Rad, against Town-Prplhz, against Town-Kurumi? Those are all here playing mafia way longer than I am, especially Rad and WBG. WBG already flipped town. Do you honestly believe someone would make a team like that? That's btw the only reason I question Rad right now. Balancewise it would make a lot of sense if he's mafia but I can't find a thing that brings me to that conclusion except for this very thought. Old Post So he's my strongest scum read but it's still only like 65%. Usually I read setups completely different than he does and therefore we don't understand the other's opinions there. So that stuff is genuine enough. I'm also somewhat conflicted by the wbg thing because wbg doesn't look like a boyscout either. wbg uhhhh I dunno what happened there. strongandbig I still think is town (if you're not well done) and I respect his analysis alot, particularly the game theory post that he brought up that wbg himself made. also the part where wbg rehashed that "why would I out the masons when I could just tell my scum team" argument smelled wrong. That argument in general doesn't really fly for me. Scum team doesn't really gain anything from knowing who the masons are in private and therefore fucking with the thread by outing them doesn't make a difference for them. In fact it may give them an easier time taking shooting them because they don't have to worry about VE posting the logs at the last minute, revealing who he talked to and thus who would know he's mason or something like that. By the same token, outing them as town is understandable as well. Although I don't think I would have done so immediately but maybe that's just me. also also wbg voted for himself which is odd as hell. and whoever asked him what date his finals were might be on to something too. although it is the middle of summer so maybe that was a joke/reference. grush is worthless and if we're in a game together ever again and I'm vig I will policy shoot him. That said there's also like a hundred other lurkers in this game that would be fine for a policy lynch. Not to mention wbg himself as a policy lynch for voting himself I suppose. Other random thoughts: -Hassybaby is underperforming in my opinion. For some reason I expected more activity although I admit I don't know his meta. Somewhat suspicious though. -Countdropula seemed highly suspicious in the post he made about zephirdd as I mentioned before. felt like a bandwagon. Also I don't like inactive smurfs. -This game feels like a 12 person game yet supposedly there's 24 of you. The inactivity in general means this one is going to be pretty easy for scum. | ||
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On August 05 2012 02:58 Toadesstern wrote: just a random mention: It's 20:00 my time, that's CEST and there's a shitton of people who haven't voted yet. Get in here and vote. The guys from Europe won't be around at the deadline. Probably not even close to the deadline. So if you're waiting for something because it's still "so much time" until deadline: Stop it and get in here asap. The deadlines are horrible for europeans. Oh and @Talis: Keep cool about Zeph. I can actually prove I had him on my radar way before I even mentioned him the first time. WBG's not the only one who got masoned. actually I knew you were masoned the instant you said you thought you had said something before about zephirdd when you hadn't done so in the thread =P | ||
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On August 05 2012 04:37 slOosh wrote: Nevermind, I Talis still doesn't care about the game. ##Vote: Talismania if you want to vote for someone for not caring about the game, vote for BKE or xsebt or majugarzett or ghost403 or Glasse etc etc. if you want to vote for someone who is posting and active, make a case for why what they're posting is scummy. ps just because I don't immediately comment on the most current affairs doesn't mean I'm not reading it and getting to it eventually. pps you don't think it's interesting that glasse just ninja-voted? | ||
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love you too! how nice of you to vote for me without once mentioning me in your entire filter! | ||
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Completely cool with you? | ||
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On August 05 2012 04:46 wherebugsgo wrote: Sorry to BC and those players who aren't playing terribly (notably VE slOosh and Zeph) but I actually don't care about being modkilled given that it will stop the stupid discussion about mr being scum. Look, Roger. May it's time for you to take an acid trip and get past this gloomy phase. | ||
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