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Finished looking over a few people. Scum list so far:
WBG - the Erandorr thing obviously puts him in the red. What really is blaring red is that he is refusing to take a stance on anything, not making cases and complaining about the game. At this point its a ploy for him to sit back and let us townies rip each other apart. No longer!
MrZentor: He's done nothing in this game except a very fishy vote switch to Erandorr yesterday. With no reasoning behind it.
Hopeless - He's super wishy washy with his accusations jumping on and off them in every post. Plus he's being defensive of WBG.
WBG is my first canidate, but I'll elaborate on my others if needs be.
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Out of the two Count Drop is definetly more scummy than Zephird. Count Drops posts are only about Zeph and make no sense whatsoever. On the Talis issue while he has been one of the most active players, a red check shant be ignored and I would be up for lynching him. No way risk it.
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On August 11 2012 01:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I have yet to see a post from xsebt verifying any of this dt business. I can think of a situation where scum could conceivably come across the mis-spelt name through other roles referring to his character.
Considering Xsebt might have had a scum read on talis, he's been surprisingly quiet about it. I have a really hard time buying into this lynch with one pm worth of evidence. I have a town read on talis based on his responses to the DT claim.
I'm leaving my vote on VE until we see something a little more credible.
-_- He knows Talis' PM name. This has been confirmed.
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On August 11 2012 01:59 talismania wrote:
Let's talk about this game.
Scum: you guys know how good of a position you're in. You can win without losing a member.
Town: I don't think it's really set in for most of you how terrible of a position you're in. Let me explain it again.
Right now there are 11 town and 5 scum.
Here's what will probably happen: I'm lynched, jingle and marv are killed at night, toad is still completely wrong the next day and zephirdd gets lynched, GG flawless scum victory. The only real chance is if when I actually do flip miller toad (assuming he's town) actually realizes that he's just been completely wrong about everything in this game and genuinely re-evaluates the situation and sees that VE is the most obviously scummy person in this game. Sidenote: if this doesn't happen people need to look at toad more carefully because I can't imagine him being wrong for that long is weird even for his standards.
Alternate scenarios:
(1) I'm lynched and flip miller, jingle and marv are killed. 8 - 5, lylo. VE or BKE is finally lynched, lazer and toad killed. 6 - 4, lylo. The other of VE or BKE is lynched. 2 other townies killed. 4 - 3, lylo. Count Dropula or Hier gets lynched (depending on what xsebt says), then it will be 3 - 2 the next day. Then 2 - 1. So to say it again,
If I am lynched, town will be at lylo from now until they lose or lynch all five scum in a row*
*Of course, this is barring medic protects. However, the medics should be on xsebt. Scum may attempt to double stack on xsebt, gambling that there's only one medic too, which might reduce the NK. And of course, if there's still vig shots out there then that can accelerate or decelerate the game.
(2) I'm lynched and flip scum. VE and synystyr NK'd I guess? 9 - 4. Not a terrible position but not great either. One mislynch (say, zephirdd) puts it at 6 - 4 and right back to lylo. Also it won't happen because I'm not scum.
(3) VE or hassy gets lynched today and flips scum. 9 - 4 but people actually realize that I was right. I'll probably be NK'd but that's a tricky play for scum given that I do have a red check. If they leave me alive I'll be able to lead at least one other scum lynch, putting town in the advantage. This is the best case scenario. Too bad I don't think you'll be convinced.
Your defense is going about all wrong. Look at it from my perspective, we lynch someone else over you, if they are townie, we are in the same sit cept youre lynched day 2. If they are scum we have to figure out the next lynches semi perfectly or else LoL. Then we are gambling with the DT's check. If you really are townie you need to push a scum lynch hard now.
##Vote: Talismania Youre too much of a risk to take on lategame, plus everyones got a basic connection to you, and different reads.
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On August 11 2012 02:07 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 01:54 BroodKingEXE wrote:On August 11 2012 01:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I have yet to see a post from xsebt verifying any of this dt business. I can think of a situation where scum could conceivably come across the mis-spelt name through other roles referring to his character.
Considering Xsebt might have had a scum read on talis, he's been surprisingly quiet about it. I have a really hard time buying into this lynch with one pm worth of evidence. I have a town read on talis based on his responses to the DT claim.
I'm leaving my vote on VE until we see something a little more credible.
-_- He knows Talis' PM name. This has been confirmed. That isn't proof. I have another player's character name in my PM since there is a relationship between them in the show. If the scum are trying to fake a dt claim, I'd expect them to put some solid effort into making it believable, including copying the names from the pms. Talis posted his character's name to the thread. They knew what to look for. My scenario is extremely convoluted. Occam's razor says talis is either miller or scum due to the red check. But the red check is secondary information and I dont trust it coming from toad. Xsebt has not posted yet. At this rate he's getting modkilled. He's pretty much outed already. Why continue to hide?
Where's his name? I cant find it 
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Now it makes sense. Hopeless is right I have other peoples names in my PM. I have a guy named Henry Francais in my PM too. ##Unvote
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On August 11 2012 02:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: talismania
Wtf? I dont know who to trust at this point.
@Talis Is VE still your lynch canidate after all this? You should be pusing a canidate, else town might mislynch.
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Out of the two Talis has been playing more townie than VE. I wont be around for the lynch but this whole thing seems off about Talis being scum.
##Vote: VE
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On August 11 2012 12:31 CountDropula wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 12:26 Hopeless1der wrote:Mafia Roleblocker
Once per night, you may send in a PM detailing a person you would like to block. That person will be notified that they were blocked, and if the person being blocked has a night action, he or she will not be able to use it. Please note that this ability only pertains to active actions. Passive abilities, such as the Veteran's extra lives, cannot be blocked by mafia. Easy there puppetmaster. You get notified regardless of having an ability. I'm not saying don't shoot him, but its not nearly as urgent as it could have been. Ah, yes. Thank you
Question do you still think Talis is scum?
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On August 12 2012 03:34 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah but DTs are kind of a high priority target for mafias so who cares right now.
I doubt they'll kill a DT due to the whole fake claim mixup. Too much doubt in peoples minds. Did you mason anyone?
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On August 12 2012 04:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2012 03:08 Toadesstern wrote:On August 12 2012 00:53 Hopeless1der wrote:
Would you care to elaborate at all MrZentor? Can you address the GF theory that Talis has laid out and why you disagree with him? Well we had a red check on Talis and CD was in favor of a Zeph lynch that ended up lynching a mafia instead of just voting Talis, which would have been the easiest way to "store" his vote no matter of talis alignment. Give me a single reason to think CD is mafia given the situation right now. What are you talking about? Cd wanted a talis lynch and I pushed the zeph lynch ...
I can think of reasons why a Talis lynch would've been a better than a zeph lynch. But I definitely want to hear from CD about why he pushed Talis in his own words.
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Was not expecting Talis to be vig shot. Fine with the claim being held off, at least till we know the outcome of this lynch. VE, based on Talis' and marvs reasoning. My list is VE, Glasse, and Zentor. Still working on connecting up the pieces, Zentors meta makes reading him a bit tricky but I find the Zentor Zeph votes confirming an Erandorr lynch pretty damning. VE fits into the story since he was the second canidate.
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On August 03 2012 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote:I didn't realize we ventured off the beaten path into MafiaScum here...so we're just voting randomly now? Should I take this as your consent to lynch randomly today? For my part, I'm very much against random lynching in this game. We need to be lynching scum, and if Bureaucracy taught us anything, it's that D1 scum lynches are VERY VERY possible given proper scumhunting. Granted, it took scum and town BOTH looking, but I digress....I'm against RL this game.
Remember this post and how strange it was. It makes sense if he knows Zeph's alignment and is trying to bus him! Day 2 he comes in and votes for Zeph based on his list and the day 1 post. Why didn't he push him like Eran or Talis?
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On August 14 2012 11:07 Glasse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 11:05 marvellosity wrote:
no, I'm way more sure about Hassybaby than Glasse. You should listen to your godfather, Hier.
Prove it. lol. Shooting Glasse would be better as we wont get a read on him, imo. I feel like they might go after vig tonight, as opposed to big townies.
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On August 14 2012 12:00 Hopeless1der wrote:Act IV: (Continued)What is a well reasoned argument?Somehow I manage to convince bke to go from : Show nested quote +
##Vote: Talismania Youre too much of a risk to take on lategame, plus everyones got a basic connection to you, and different reads.
To this: Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:20 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Now it makes sense. Hopeless is right I have other peoples names in my PM. I have a guy named Henry Francais in my PM too. ##Unvote With a pants on head faked dt theory. How in the hell am I more credible than a redcheck? THIS MOVE DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! THIS IS THE EXCUSE TO BUS VE! Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 02:56 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Out of the two Talis has been playing more townie than VE. I wont be around for the lynch but this whole thing seems off about Talis being scum.
##Vote: VE Convenient that he goes missing. His vote looks completely natural, except for the part where he switches from a semi-confirmed redcheck to an unknown mason. Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 00:56 BroodKingEXE wrote:On August 03 2012 10:40 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 03 2012 10:34 Zephirdd wrote:
HAHAHA I WIN
for that
##vote prplhz I didn't realize we ventured off the beaten path into MafiaScum here...so we're just voting randomly now? Should I take this as your consent to lynch randomly today? For my part, I'm very much against random lynching in this game. We need to be lynching scum, and if Bureaucracy taught us anything, it's that D1 scum lynches are VERY VERY possible given proper scumhunting. Granted, it took scum and town BOTH looking, but I digress....I'm against RL this game. Remember this post and how strange it was. It makes sense if he knows Zeph's alignment and is trying to bus him! Day 2 he comes in and votes for Zeph based on his list and the day 1 post. Why didn't he push him like Eran or Talis? This post reeeeeeeeeks of desperation to distance himself from VE and look like he was strongly pushing for his lynch all along.
BKE rarely takes a strong stance throughout the game and quite frankly has not posted much of a case on anything in the game. His posting has been generally disruptive, poking at other people's gameplay but contributing little of his own to help out. He makes very weak connections using votes as the basis for his suspicions. He does not scumhunt. He busses. BroodKingEXE is Scum
Let me explain. I thought Talis was playing town, redcheck > my read. Miller chance + shaky DT claim > red check. So in the end Talis is town, imo.
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On August 08 2012 05:55 MrZentor wrote:
If we were to lynch into lurkers, why would we allow likely scum(VE) to influence our decision? Lynching into lurkers is a bad idea, but letting scum choose who we lynch is worse.
Anyways, the way VE is arbitrarily shifting the lynch from some lurkers to others has convinced me that he has a secret agenda.
Lazermonkey is really suspicious too.
This post says VE is scum. So why did you vote for Eran in the end? Nothing to be confused about.
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On August 15 2012 00:58 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2012 22:02 marvellosity wrote:
i'll quite happily sit back, do jack shit, and let town burn, if you want, toad. That's not it. It's just that the reasoning for lynching WBG and Prplhz came down to "they should be better than what they showed us". The reasoning for lynching Zeph and VE always has been "they're weird, not necessarily scummy yet but they somehow manage to get these weird phrases in their posts that really sound like they're not town and they do that a lot. Not sure what to make of it though". At least that has been the reasoning for me (check my mason-logs, I mentioned it a couple of times when talking about Zeph I think) when judging them and you're starting to give me the same feeling VE and Zephirdd gave me, unlike WBG, prplhz and Talis did. Keep doing what you're doing If I'm wrong neither of us is going to get shot and we're both happy, aren't we? :p
VE wasnt playing to his town meta, at all. Even when he isnt as active, he seems to try more than he did in this game. In all he made two cases and his scum hunting felt suboptimal for VE. He sounded a bit too apologetic at the Erandorr lynch.
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