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On August 11 2012 08:54 Hassybaby wrote: I'd be insulted but then I remembered that I don't care enough about opinions. Yeah, I did tell BC the situation, and he was cool about it. I'd quite like to leave it at that till the end of the game, if that I don't exactly have much time to read up so I'll do my best about the situation. It looks like it' between talis and zeph, right? Not an insult I just think you might be scum | ||
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Jingle-someone VE-someone (CD?) Toad-someone If I'm still alive tomorrow I expect to be mason'd. | ||
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Godfather The Godfather has the ability to decide what role he will appear to be when a Detective role checks him. It may be any role and must be chosen Day 1 or he will default to Townie role. After your role is chosen you may not change it after that; decisions are final for the whole game. Put yourselves in scum's shoes for a minute. What's the coolest use you can think of for this GF variant? Now look at Count Dropula. My theory: Count Dropula is the scum godfather. He made himself appear to any DT check as another DT. He then buses all out one of his teammates. Then he claims a red check on that person, and a green check on another member of his team (Lazermonkey). Even better, a third member (maybe even a fourth) is there pressuring the teammate to be bussed. That's VE. I'm actually about 90% sure this is correct. Unfortunately, I have this red check hanging over my shoulder, which means none of you will believe me until I'm dead. So be it. But please remember this idea once this happens. I'm the only one I think that has any clue what's going on at the moment. Right now, it's 11 townies, 4 scum. If I'm vig'd (best case scenario for scum) it will be 8 townies, 4 scum tomorrow. This will be the hardest day for scum, as they need to force two mislynches in order to win from here on out. They've done something pretty cute but they aren't out of the woods yet. They probably think they are with at least two members semi-confirmed and another one that can get a lot of cred from zeph. Too bad for them I really am a miller :-) ______________ Next important things: Zephirdd was a goon. I am supposedly a goon. (I'm not, but let's run with it). So that means that the scum team is something like this: GF + Mason + Goon + Goon + RB / (RB and Mason). Remember to keep this in mind. It will be irrelevant soon once I'm flipped miller, but always remember that there's at least one, probably two scum masons out there. Also remember that Toad is confirmed town through xsebt's check. That leaves jingle, hassy, and VE. And once I'm dead, it should be clear that VE is certainly scum. Nevertheless jingle, scum are going to try for your mislynch after me. Be prepared. Now here's what's going to happen night-action wise. You may think "How could CD get away with a fake DT claim and be able to explain his continued survival?" Well it's pretty simple. CD will wake up tomorrow, and he will claimed Roleblocked. He will claim this from now until the end of the game. (the actual RB will be thrown away on another scum). What's critical then is that xsebt survive. If I'm scum in their position, I put two night kills on xsebt and gamble that there's only one doctor in the game, or that the real doctors protect CD. Sadly, given how poorly our medics have performed thus far, I imagine they will completely ignore this: MEDICS, PROTECT XSEBT AND DO NOT PROTECT CD We need to ensure that scum feel compelled to use their RB within their team. If they think they can get away with CD surviving AND can RB xsebt the rest of the game then we must prove them wrong. Of course it feels kinda futile to say that knowing that the medics aren't going to listen to me but whatever. xsebt, check VE EVEN IF YOU THINK I'M SCUM, CHECK VE Why? At least one mason must be scum. There are three left alive that don't already have a green check. If VE checks red, great. If VE checks green, great. Hell check jinglehell or hassy if you want. I just know that VE is going to check red, so you might as well spare yourself some time. | ||
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On August 11 2012 06:11 Lazermonkey wrote: Point 3. How can you not control your own play? It's entirely possible that you would try to play away from your scum meta if you rolled scum in order to be considered less scummy. Just having a skim through lazer's filter and wanted to briefly respond to this. For reference, point 3 in my "why I'm miller" argument is that I can't play this actively and this aggressively and loosely as scum. Yes, Lazer. I cannot control my own play. I can't do it. I've tried and it doesn't work. When I know the answers (as scum) I can't pretend that I don't. _______ As an aside, Lazer's filter is pretty good. If he is scum which I still can't get away from then he's been doing a great job giving himself distance between him and every other player that I think is scum. Even keeping his vote on VE, that was well-done. Look to see how his view on VE evolves from this point forward in the game. Does he do what he did for dropula? Go from calling him out to "oh nvm I think this guy is town"? A red flag should go up in that case. | ||
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Interactions with jinglehell: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 10:51 Zephirdd wrote: rofl. And with that I'm off to sleep. It's actually getting late and I have classes early in the morning. When everyone posts, I'll find something more useful to talk about. (eh I'd say this stuff is early on so hard to take much from it) Posts concerning me (talismania): + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote: "not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing? wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them. VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role. Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum. Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions. prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread. Everything else is a null tell. I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't. Deal with it. On August 04 2012 05:43 Zephirdd wrote: So I decided to actually read stuff properly now. Talismania first post containing "Glasse" is: (That was after hopeless1der voted him) His second post is exactly the same. The next instance is asking toad his instance on 4 people including Glasse Then he mirrors a player that has shown a case, throw a bunch of unnecessary town reads(nobody asked that, why do it) and after some fluff he says Glasse was "hilariously obviously scummy" without giving true reasoning(ie. giving a post and explaining why that was a scum post). Then he is rolefishing "for his own amusement". Hmm maybe people weren't wrong about questioning his plans on the beginning. On August 04 2012 07:02 Zephirdd wrote: I made a mini-case on talismania if you are interested. When wbg instaclaims he is masoned with VE, and then later with Erandorr, my initial thought is that he is outing masons because it's likely that masons are scum. Simple as that. My notes on prplhz are "baiting". I don't find him disruptive and he is making sense. Will re-read tho. On August 04 2012 08:45 Zephirdd wrote: talismania is the scum read for me, see my previous mini-case. I suppose I should vote him, considering he never addresses any accusations against him by anyone. There should be a couple scums on the "afk" list. Hier's case on Erandorr has some ground, but I'd say talismania is worse than him imo. idk VE, who is scum and why do you think so? On August 05 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote: Hm, thats a lot of shit to skim through since my last post. Holy shit. erandorr/wbg logs are just a crapload of fuckity fuck. ghost_404(I see wat you did ther rastaban) was replaced by the one guy that I found to be scum last game. then there is both talismania and prplhz cases, but nobody cared enough about CountDropula I guess. talismania's filter - summarized nicely by BKEXE - is terrible. He was helpful during the "discussion that everyone can take any instance and still be town" phase, but not after. I am not sure about prplhz... I guess he is a decent lynch tho, he did go afk out of nowhere, and last time I saw him doing that he was scum. He's not the kind of guy who just "goes" away. Well, consolidating votes won't hurt, right? I still want to go back to CD on the future. On August 09 2012 10:34 Zephirdd wrote: rofl this vigi is bad VE, your post is funny. You think talis is most likely to be scum, but you want to lynch me? So let me get this straight, scumteam is VE+CD+Talismania+(insert 2 random players here)? Also, people arguing against wbg, learn something: LOGIC > YOU. A player has all right to get mad when he is trying to use reasoning and all you do is shit. (fun read if you think we're actually scum together hahaha. It's like I was the one that was supposed to bus him when instead I pretty much read him as town since after mid-way through day one when I thought he was scummy). Interactions with Glasse: + Show Spoiler + On August 05 2012 10:17 Zephirdd wrote: Fucking. Bullshit. Your latest thoughts on prplhz were AKA. calling him scum. And then you come with a "It was to be expected" bullshit? Fucking no. You have a terribly small filter with almost no real content. You won't just come and say like if you knew he was town. (kinda makes glasse look townie I guess?) The CountDropula saga: + Show Spoiler + On August 04 2012 08:59 Zephirdd wrote: I just noticed this gem. Finally that paid off. Let me explain it to you. It was 5min into the game. I didn't even bother casting those votes on the voting thread. Why? Because they didn't matter, and I'd change them later anyway. It's not that I don't care, it's just that by creating a stupid vote, you take reactions from people. People like you, who is trying to take something as silly as that as an excuse to vote me, when in fact there is nothing there that makes me scum. I'm not afraid of having opinions change, as no town should be. My opinions did change quickly - and that's pretty damn common for a town player. You are creating bullshit reasoning to jump into the wagon easily. Nice first post scum. ##unvote (talismania) ##vote CountDropula On August 04 2012 23:37 Zephirdd wrote: what the flying fuck. If there is any day that lynching a troll player is good, it's day 1. Even if the information is low, the fact is that we get rid of a controversial, harmful player. Okay, people on this town are CRAZY. I don't know where you guys are getting that wbg is playing scum. This is motherfucking wherebugsgo we are talking about. You know, the one bugs that would destroy everyone here if he was scum. Do you guys really think you found a scum on him so fucking early into the game? Whoever is talking about "veterans" list, I really don't get it. The vets aren't just VE/prpl/bugs/erandorr. If anything, there is also me, sloosh, BKEXE(where are you bro?), Toad, talismania, ghost_403(another one I'm yet to hear from)... We aren't new players. We have plenty of experience with TL already. Why would you go into process of elimination only on these first four? That's ridiculous. Secondly, every single argument is the same argument over and over: town arguing with town that the game should be played certain way. Nothing wbg has said is scum-indicative. He outed 2 masons, where a scum could simply hide them and kill them. The counter argument to that? Pure fucking WIFOM. VE wouldn't breadcumb wbg, that's fucking bullshit. Even if he did, his death wouldn't instantly point towards wbg because there are reasons to shoot VE n1(he is a vet for instance). You guys are CRAZY. Second point? what? "He doesn't feel comfortable dealing with pressure"? Pff You mean the fact that I insta-voted JH? Pretty much because he was the first to attack my random vote on prplhz. That's all to make people react, and see if stupid scum will fall for it. Pretty much the same as when someone claims vanilla townie on his first post of the game. Geez, so easy to catch newb scum like you :> You are newb scum right? On August 06 2012 23:37 Zephirdd wrote: 'sup folks. Busy sunday yesterday. Didn't read much, so I didn't post. I'm still re-reading some stuff, but I'll post some of my thoughts right now. The obvious one, CountDropula: 1. Uses terrible arguments to jump into my bandwagon: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=22#436 He is using my random votings from 3-5minutes into the day as reasoning to vote me. He is using my change of instances based on someone's else opinion as reasoning to vote me. Neither of these are scum traits, nor do they push scum agendas. It's entirely reasonable that a town player would change opinions within two posts, given that someone gives the proper arguments. Random voting someone for the sake of random voting, 5 minutes into the day, is pretty much a bait for scum. A real town would look at that and realize it's not a reason to push someone; It means NOTHING action-wise. Yet, he uses it to make my wagon gain strength. Granted, he never voted me; which is even worse: if you have a suspicion on someone, why would you not vote him? 2. Appeal to emotion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=23#459 (From Ace's thread on how-to-play-scum: a good scum trait is provoking emotion out of town) I don't know where did he pull that I had a burst of emotion. Besides, why bring it up at all? Again, it's one of these traits that don't determine someone's alignment - in fact, I'd argue it's much more likely that a town player show a burst of emotion than a scum player. Then he pulls some bullshit "You never answered XXX" when I answered everything. And I even said more a few posts later. He never counter-argued. Then he calls for some "concrete defense" when he nevers says what about my defense is not concrete. Simply put, he is throwing loaded(and VERY loaded) sentences to try and break me down. How the f* does someone give a "concrete defense" on this game? Fucking no one can do that without being an Innocent Child or confirmed-town-dayvig. There is also these posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=40#800 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=41#802 These posts have no purpose except bringing emotion into the table and - hopefully for him - numbing people's judgement. This is pretty much a scum move. 3. Hypocrisy, blending in: This makes him look good right, he is calling for people to post... He has two freakingly terrible posts that only talk about one subject and is calling for people to be active That's trying to blend in without putting effort into the game. He is a lurker himself and is calling lurkers out. The more he post, the scummier he looks to me. Well, his first post is red as fuck already, but he is just being worse over time. So yeah, I'll keep reading stuff but my vote is on him already. ##Vote CountDropula Please don't ignore this guy. On August 07 2012 08:46 Zephirdd wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 07 2012 07:25 CountDropula wrote: 1) Can you give us an example from that game of someone acting "level-headed and nooby" and then zephirdd reacting by being "comfortable" with them? Yes. I define "level-headed and nooby" as taking an honest and simple look at information and raising a question. Here is a post with this tone from NMMII. It's directed at Zeph. This is how he responds. No outburst or finger pointing. Zeph shows lots of discomfort when dealing with this kind of tone in Mad Men though. 2. You... vote for wbg, ninja switch to me, ninja switch to prp, meekly say "oh my votes were kind of rash and jumping the gun. It's a mistake but is it really suspicious?" (paraphrase). A single thread post isn't all that visible, but voting thread posts? Can't bury those too well. And the frequent "typos"? Smiley among bold text = cant miss it. I got lots of reactions from that. You then accuse him of "feeding the chaos". Personally I don't really see this at all. Has anyone else felt that zephirdd has made this game chaotic? I haven't. -He is not pro-town. Not at all. No one thought I was a serious issue; he tried to make a case out of one post and is still trying to make something out of nothing. -And that "mini case" on you? His insta-vote of you turns into an actual case even though he says it means nothing? -And posting that list of lurkers. Noncommittal. 3. The point about calling town reads scummy and posting town reads is a stretch. He's talking about me being scummy because I posted several town reads without explanation. That's different from saying that it's outright scummy to post a town read at all. I think this is confirmation bias looking for more evidence. No quotes, no nothing. This is a lazy post, and there is very little explanation. The "rationale" is all really broad statements. Super broad. 4. Next, you can't just say "this post is swiss cheese. Full of holes" and not point out what the holes are. I mean you should give his case an honest response, not just dismiss it out of hand. The problem with the case is its inconsistency with Zeph's town posts. in NMMII As town, he wanted cold facts. Now he is emotional, and there is simply not enough evidence in his case on me to realistically be as sure as he is. 5. The last part you should also spell out more. Like you're stating a meta-difference from NMM II to now but you're sort of stating it and going "here, see?" but I'm too obtuse to figure out what exactly is different. The difference is that in NMM he wants great proof before acting. He does not operate like that here. 1. Check out who you quoted. Check out the timing of the quote. Check out the discussion going on. That guy is Bluelightz, the Unreadable. You can't determine his alignment until it's too late for either side. That was a discussion about policy lynches. I am not accusing anyone(although the "you scum? part" is another example of a bait). We are discussing policy lynches and useless stuff to get the thread going. On that game, I realized my opening post was terrible - hence the random voting this game, if you care. There is nothing to attack. No one is using terrible reasoning to create suspicion. Besides, Bluelightz is a friend; Who are you? This is your first game here, right? 2. I made a correct case on that same game on prplhz. He had three posts. You telling me I can't make a case out of one post? Besides, the case is only being incremented every time you post more; That's because you're posting like scum. I decided my mini-case has less importance than you. The lurker list is a null tell at its best, why do you care about it? Why are you searching for stuff to accuse me of? 3. Let me requote myself. I hate defending other people. That's their job. Of course I'm not posting fuckload of quotes or whatnot. IIRC that specific post was made because people wanted to know why I didn't have any real scum read at the time. 4. Sometimes context is essential. All the FACTS discussion on NMM2 was due to Sinensis making a terrible case on me and getting me angry(hence why scum likes to provoke emotion). You even quoted my emotional burst against him on that game. Difference here is that I see your AtE from the outside; My judgement isn't clouded by emotions. The fact here is that all your accusations are scummy accusations. 5. Oh do I want great proof before acting? I made a fucking case out of three posts, and the case was correct. Granted, out of policy I fucked up that game; That just means I have troubles holding confidence over a case. I won't fall for this trap here. Also, I guess someone from NMM2 is scum here right? Either that or you did a pretty good job in checking my meta; Too bad you're using meta in a terrible way. If I missed any accusations that you think are worth responding too(aka. if you want to bury yourself more) feel free to ask again. It's been a REALLY busy monday and I'm really not in the mood of answering every tidbit that comes out of you. On August 07 2012 12:18 Zephirdd wrote: Count, reading your posts is like watching a game of Yugioh. OH BUT YOU ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD!!!!!!!1 what the fuck? First, how the fuck can you tell degrees of emotions in a post? What the fuckity fucking fuck is that fucking sentence, seriously. I am angry when I'm angry, I am calm when I'm calm. Believe it or not, but my emotions aren't entirely based on the game - if I'm angry IRL, I'll post angry here. If I feel calm, I'll answer calmly. Obviously, you took the calm I had with this convoluted post. You didn't own me. You pissed me off. "owning" me would be lynching me and then escaping from the counter-lynch somehow(because it would warrant a counter-lynch). Oh, and I can play your stupid game too. Next time you answer me you will either tell me I'm breaking and therefore going away from my town meta, or you will ignore me altogether. And because I told you this, you are going to do something completely different AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS PLANNING ALL ALONG HAHAHAHA Jesus christ. You don't control my fear. You are indeed pissing me off however. Why do you resort to emotions so fucking much? Because you can't use logic against me, because that's the road a scum has to take to numb someone's judgement. Because I caught you and you want to make sure I am not in my mind to catch your buddies. Fucking no. In case it wasn't obvious, I'll give you your analysis. + Show Spoiler [analysis] + CountDropula does nothing but AtE He also creates bullshit scenarios with LOL U DOIN WAT I KNEW U WOULD DO bullshit. That comes from the first "it was a trap" by him His accusations are scummy because they hold no ground; When counter-argued all he says is "LOL U DOIN WAT I TOLD U TO" ... You know, there was one time I got so fucking pissed off. It was Sinensis. Last game. You quoted the post. I hope you play on my game when it's up. I'll make sure your death will be painfully horrible on the flavor. Yours and Sinensis. I can't stand this U DOIN WHAT I EXPECTED posts. From you and Sinensis. And it's obvious that you copied exactly what Sinensis did that game in order to piss me off. Are you Sinensis' smurf? If not, did you do that on purpose? Interesting. I missed in there earlier that Zephirdd also has correctly identified Count Dropula as Sinensis' smurf. I think their intention was to shit up the thread and create a lot of drama. Maybe distract some from the case I had made on VE? Ok perhaps I shouldn't think that highly of myself. Posts concerning VE: + Show Spoiler + On August 03 2012 22:16 Zephirdd wrote: I'm not part of the mason circles I guess /sad Toad, why insta-voting VE? I know you had some suspicion of him, but did you consider that VE sounded overly cautious because he is a mason? That's what I get at least. Erandorr, why masoning someone who just outted his mason? On August 03 2012 23:53 Zephirdd wrote: Erandorr, so you think wbg is a scum that outed VE(presumably town mason) for no reason, so you (presumably town mason) mason'd the scum that outed the other mason? Wat. I do agree on your instance of "why would you defend him" tho. I still don't get why would you mason him. On August 04 2012 04:45 Zephirdd wrote: "not contributing"? What do you want me to do, pull bullshit out of my ass the way you are doing? wbg outing masons is a town move because he believes there is scum in the masons; He is outing them in order to pressure them. VE is town because his posting lines up with cautious blue that wants to protect his supposedly powerful mason role. Erandorr is dumb, but I'd say he wouldn't be that dumb as scum. Talismania's posts made sense for me when he posted them, and I still see them as possible town opinions. prplhz has been baiting scum with certain actions, while making sense with others. He hasn't caused chaos and is doing a good job in keeping the pace of the thread. Everything else is a null tell. I hate defending other people. That's their job. I only defend someone when I feel I have someone better to lynch. I don't. Deal with it. On August 08 2012 09:39 Zephirdd wrote: Well, nobody sees what I see on CD  I agree it's a waste of time to talk about him. Also, fuck this VE wagon. Erandorr is full of shit. VE(as well as WBG) have been using logic more than anyone out there --' Soooo yeah. ##unvote ##vote Erandorr On August 08 2012 09:58 Zephirdd wrote: Sorry. VE, as well as wbg, as well as Hier. it's a bigger game than I'm used to, I may forget some peoples names >_>" On August 09 2012 10:34 Zephirdd wrote: rofl this vigi is bad VE, your post is funny. You think talis is most likely to be scum, but you want to lynch me? So let me get this straight, scumteam is VE+CD+Talismania+(insert 2 random players here)? Also, people arguing against wbg, learn something: LOGIC > YOU. A player has all right to get mad when he is trying to use reasoning and all you do is shit. On August 10 2012 07:15 Zephirdd wrote: Why not VE? Wouldn't it be incredibly convenient if Toad just happened to find a liar while masoning someone, and that lie just happen to implicate talismania? You seem keen in saving your buddy and voting for me while busing him. What is bugging me still however is how Toad suddenly can't talk about the mysterious DT. Toad, did you ask him for breadcumbs and reasoning on his checks? Did he explain why would he check you, claimed mason, when the OP clearly states that DTs check roles? If you can confirm the guy is a DT(even if you only say "np I guess he is legit") I'll support you on this one. Pieces seem to be starting to match... Interesting that he goes from having VE as a town read (pretty much the only one he really talks about early game) D1, considers him the only person using logic D2, but then forgets all about that at the start of D3 and now VE is suddenly a part of a conspiracy with me. Most importantly, how zephirdd responded to being lynched today: On August 11 2012 07:06 Zephirdd wrote: meh, I don't even care anymore. This town... there is a reason wbg raged so hard. I'll vote the one and only scum ofc, just so I'm not seen as breaking the rules. whatever. (He then votes CountDropula for some reason. His best move as scum or town is to vote me but he got lazy). On August 11 2012 07:13 Zephirdd wrote: Many flying fucks were given this game huh. I'm out. Going to movies. gnight guys, glhf And that's it. Obviously this looks fine if you think I'm scum too (he doesn't want to try to push the lynch onto me in that case). 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On August 11 2012 15:00 Toadesstern wrote: don't listen to talis please :3 <3 toad. Toad will you promise me one thing? When I'm dead, re-read some of my large posts? Especially on VE. You remember when you were hosting SSB64? I was town and I was going to be killed, but it meant scum would when the game? How did I respond? Here's a hint: you're the HiroPro of this game. ps you've played with me as scum before - if you actually think I'm anywhere remotely capable of playing how I've played this game as scum then you've given me way too much credit. And I don't think you would since you saw firsthand what my scum play looks like. | ||
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On August 12 2012 04:34 Toadesstern wrote: talis has already explained it somewhere, do I really need to type out everything twice? No marv is right - CD initially posted that he wanted me lynched and zephirdd shot, or, failing a shot, lynched the next day. In response to lazer as regards the timing of this whole affair: First, I don't think your plan was to lynch zeph yesterday. It was to lynch me, then zeph on D4. That's what CD posted. But it was pretty clearly better to do it the other way around from town's pov, which you guys maybe didn't anticipate. Regardless, a fake DT claim will lose steam after 3 nights. If you get a red check N1, waiting til D4 to bring it up seems strange to me. Especially since CD was going about pushing zephirdd in the worst way possible as a townie, almost assuring that no one would pay attention (contrast the puppet-master routine with what sinensis was doing in the beginning in attacking zephirdd). Another factor influencing the timing of the bus and bringing the plan out was that I was starting to gain ground, and VE was starting to lose it. After I posted the most damning case in this thread on VE, the next things that happen are that lazer makes a giant post discrediting me, and then sinensis posts his Big Reveal on zephirdd, completely sidetracking things. _______________ If people still don't buy it: Why does sinensis check lazermonkey N2? His stated reason is that he wanted to check someone that people thought was townie in order to bolster his credibility when he made his redcheck claim. That. Does. Not. Make. Sense. Contrast that with how xsebt played his N1 redcheck. Instead, he checked a mason, thinking that he was allowed to talk to masons (instead he ended up breaking the rules). Upon getting the greencheck on toad, he then sent toad the information. that's a perfectly logical way to play out an N2 check with a red N1 check in the bag. Not only do you get another check, but you also eliminate scum possibilities from the masons. The point I'm trying to make is that the results of N2 check don't actually have any bearing on the "credibility" of the claiming DT. A real DT just makes another check on someone suspicious. If he gets two reds, then fine. He posts that. The credibility is tested by the lynch results. Why does a real DT think the way sinensis has posted? "People aren't going to believe my red check if I don't have a green check on someone people think is town too" What? Furthermore, no one was talking about lazer as scum, but no one was really talking about him as town either (aside from me, that I can recall). He was flying under the radar. If those truly were CD's motivations, why didn't he pick strongandbig? SnB was also suspicious of zephirdd, if I remember right. And everyone publicly thought he was town, evidenced by the fact that toad and I directed medic protects at him. None of it adds up. | ||
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