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On July 21 2012 06:25 sciberbia wrote:
@risen
I thought about that, but there is no way in hell scum is gonna let you get that check off. You were 100% getting either killed or RB'd
Makes sense. Also, what could possibly posses anyone to say "maybe he's just trying to get the last scum to not kill him" DURING THE NIGHT. Wtf... Don't give scum ideas like that even though I was probably getting shot regardless
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On July 21 2012 06:28 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:27 Risen wrote:On July 21 2012 06:25 sciberbia wrote:
@risen
I thought about that, but there is no way in hell scum is gonna let you get that check off. You were 100% getting either killed or RB'd Makes sense. Also, what could possibly posses anyone to say "maybe he's just trying to get the last scum to not kill him" DURING THE NIGHT. Wtf... Don't give scum ideas like that even though I was probably getting shot regardless yea I was thinking the same thing lol.
I was pissed. Would have been more pissed if I got shot tonight, though I'm a little less pissed due to everything working out in the end.
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I'm going to lose my shit if strongandbig is a godfather who resigned bc he thought I wasn't a cop anymore, though ahahaha. One can dream.
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On July 21 2012 06:30 Keirathi wrote:
@Risen: did you see where I said I intentionally antagonized you during the night to try to keep you alive!?
You were a hero of the night man. When we were arguing I was like THIS! DO THIS PEOPLE!
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On July 21 2012 06:33 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:32 sciberbia wrote:On July 21 2012 06:30 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, so Dropbear was scum then?
Makes sense, although talis/Mattchew seemed too passive about their buddy almost getting lynched on D1 maybe that's why talis did soooo little to push his "top target" Yeah, that was basically what made me doubt my read on him IF YOU GUYS HAD JUST READ MY POSTS YOU WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT!>_>
The only way I read you as scum was if Matt was scum, which is why I was happy with either lynch. Matt just came off as his protown scum meta to me. That's why I think he's probably pissed we ended up lynching him. My whole thing on him was that he was too townie and hadn't done that much scummy shit which most townies inadvertently do.
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On July 21 2012 06:36 sciberbia wrote:
If dropbear really is the last scum, I feel like he still had a chance.
shoot s0Lstice tonight
lynch risen --> shoot scib
lynch gonzaw --> shoot s&b
comes down to dropbear/miltonkram/keirathi
not impossible is it?
There's no way I'm getting lynched today. There's no way gonzaw is lynched tomorrow. Why lynch the people who were on Matt? Get the ones who weren't on him first.
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On July 21 2012 06:38 Keirathi wrote:If Drop was the last maf, I'm pretty sad that we didn't lynch him day 1  Vivax was so obviously playing his town meta, and Drop had literally 0 actual case in all the posts that he talked about Vivax.
I find it disheartening that i lynched viv without looking at his meta and Matt by only looking at his meta lol
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On July 21 2012 06:40 s0Lstice wrote:
what was with all that die townie die stuff right before the lynch? im berry curious
Just me trying to live through the night.
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On July 21 2012 06:52 sciberbia wrote:
What I really don't get is why Mattchew continues to bus his teammates as scum if not only does it lose him teammates, but people also find him MORE suspicious for doing it.
If I ever roll scum (not likely) and bus one of my teammates, I'd at least hope to get some mega-serious townie-cred out of it.
That's mattchew, though. He calls out ANYONE who makes scummy moves, whether they're on his side or not.
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On July 21 2012 06:55 Keirathi wrote:
Also @Risen:
Can you please finally give a good answer for why you breadcrumbed and then claimed?
I still think claiming was absolutely the worst thing you could have done because 2 green checks . Even if you had been killed and flipped cop without specifically saying "I have green checks on S&B and s0l", people would have picked up on it from your filter. Now that you are in the open, the information literally means NOTHING.
Don't worry about being NK'd so much. As long as you've breadcrumbed your information a bit, then stay behind the scenes. I would have lynched you yesterday no questions asked, if other people had been willing to vote you, solely because the claim made no sense.
It makes even less sense from a scum perspective imo b/c all it does is 1 for 1 trade at best. Anyways, I claimed b/c if I was town I would have lynched a Risen who was gone all day 2 unless he claimed something. Being a lurker is actually what I do as scum until later in the game.
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On July 21 2012 06:58 s0Lstice wrote:
I owe you a sorry Risen for reading you so very, very wrong. I'm glad I got it right last game though lol
No need. I played really bad this game. I had the hospital thing (unexpected) and the driving to and from vegas thing going on (expected) and thought it wouldn't affect me as much as it did.
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From scum QT
"the reasoning behind my lynch is so fucking bad and people are going to feel so good about it
its called luck"
AHAHAHA I KNEW IT
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I'm dying reading the obs QT. Marv I <3 you lol
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On July 21 2012 07:03 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:58 s0Lstice wrote:
I owe you a sorry Risen for reading you so very, very wrong. I'm glad I got it right last game though lol No need. I played really bad this game. I had the hospital thing (unexpected) and the driving to and from vegas thing going on (expected) and thought it wouldn't affect me as much as it did.
For those in the obs QT who think I think too highly of myself. I know I played a horrible game, but the only way I could think of that I was going to survive was by going ape shit in thread. <3
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And yeah that included my shouting for nomination nonsense (I picked that up from Mattchew lol)
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On July 21 2012 07:29 gonzaw wrote:
Thank god I was able to read Risen correctly >_>
I still had doubts about his alignment because he can do any play as scum and could have done that play as scum, but I didn't see the "obvious" scum benefits in it as if he was actually town.
I thought I played well in D3? I tried to post reasons and reasons for why Mattchew was scum, why Risen was a bad lynch, and why Keirathi was town (all accurate ones), yet nobody seemed to listen to me.
I had more doubts of Milton than Dropbear because of how easy he sheeped Mattchew, which made me think the scum team was desperately trying to get me lynched.
Also, what really made me an "easy target" like everybody was saying in the obs QT? I really didn't get why people were so suspicious of me, I honestly don't.
You had so many cases. Sooooo manyyyyy casessssss. That and matt's tunneling of you made me suspicious of you both.
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On July 21 2012 07:37 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 07:21 gonzaw wrote:wbg in obs qt:
So, you force a guy to get wrong reads. That's not hard, and the easiest person to do this on would have been gonzaw. All of his reads have been wrong all game pretty much (from what I've read.) Hey! >: ( Apart from thinking Dropbear was likely town at one point, and being suspicious of solstice and Milton at another point, I don't see how "wrong" my reads were...? the only reason you suspected Mattchew was because of OMGUS. Literally. If you hadn't noticed, you almost died on the previous day, but survived kind of luckily (still not really sure how that happened given that half the townies said Mattchew was town) For example, look at this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=15#284massive wall of text that no one really wants to read. All 3 reads are wrong. (Austin, SnB, Keirathi) (and in the previous post you list 3 different guys who you all think might be scum: DB, Risen, Milkton. 1/6) Also, some of your opinions were just flat-out bad, especially the mason one. Masons don't claim at the start of d1. You could've been mislynched for this because it's very antitown to say "no one discusses this, masons claim now, and if they claim later they're scummy". The fact is that nowhere in any guide does it say masons must immediately claim. In fact, in many cases it's a waste of the role. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=19#367another post indicating you not reading the thread, yet still posting shit. Simple fact of the matter is that if you haven't understood the setup, stop posting until you do. It's not hard: just read the damn OP. Everyone else managed to do that except you, yet you continued to post pages upon pages of misinformed garbage. This post sums it up: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351147¤tpage=19#368When you post the way you did on d1, people can't help but call you scum. Finally, regardless of whether some of your reads were right, I have the same problem with you that I have with other people who claim undue credit for reads: for most of the game you tunneled townies such as Keirathi and strongandbig. In addition you had very large lists of players you found scummy, and very rarely did it seem like you were paring these reads down. Thus if you find 8 players scummy and ultimately 2 of them are actually scum it's not impressive at all given that there are only 3 scum and 12 players besides yourself to begin with.
I feel like a lot of this applies to me as well >.>
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I do disagree with wbg that I would have been an easy mislynch tomorrow. Maybe the day after, or the day after that, but there's no way I was getting lynched tomorrow. Scib would have claimed mason, I would have been dead or rb'd, which I would claim, and then we would have lynched Dropbear since he's the ONLY one not on mattchew and not "confirmed" town. Dropbear could counterclaim but then there's the breadcrumbs and even with a scib lynch dropbear still dies the next day.
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Whew rereading my filter I'm shocked I wasn't pushed by scum for misusing words. Bus alone wasn't going to get me lynched, but the claim and bus in combination would have gotten me lynched npnp had mattchew not tunneled gonzaw so hard. There were people (townies) in thread who really, REALLY wanted to lynch me (I don't blame them) and still matt stuck to gonzaw for reasons I'm unsure of.
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