Bureaucracy Mafia!

On July 06 2012 08:14 marvellosity wrote:


I'm starting to think this >.<

On July 16 2012 22:17 austinmcc wrote:
Ummmm, did nobody read iGrok's game?
The %s may be higher here, but a random lynch still isn't anything but a discussion-generator. That game was 2 scum 1 SK 8 town, 3/11 or 27% chance to hit non-town on a random lynch. This is 9/27, 33% chance. Not higher enough to really matter.

I like the discussion of causing chaos to mess with mafia, to some extent. Just like with the Sleeper Cell games, this isn't normal mafia. Town have the numbers advantage, and, for now, are more or less on even footing information-wise. Scum don't have an advantage UNTIL they get organized. Some forms of being chaotic would be equally harmful to both factions, other forms would be more harmful to town (higher numbers).

However, I don't support trying to cause chaos, because we don't know (and can't know) when mafia will get organized. We can speculate all we want about how many cycles it could take, and how each of us would communicate with mafia underlings were we CEO (see sleeper cell...II? for message speculation), but, especially given the vague comments about censoring messages made by hosts, we just don't know whether mafia can get fully organized, or how long that would take. At some point, IF they can organize, any chaos we cause only hurts town and no longer hurts mafia. Not good.

On July 16 2012 22:30 austinmcc wrote:
You can. But you shouldn't. That's right, I'm claiming killable.

As in, QbertZ's bringing it up wasn't a bad idea, but I don't think we should try and make things chaotic.

On July 16 2012 23:32 rastaban wrote:
Caught up now, thoughts so far:

First off the random vote is a bad idea, normally the reason it is used is to eliminate mafia influence, but guess what the mafia don't know who each other are so this lynch will be without their influence anyway. We have a golden opportunity to have a lynch today with mafia having to base their judgments on reads, and make hard choices while not able to communicate. Fellow employees do not squander this opportunity!

On July 16 2012 23:49 Kurumi wrote:

What the heck is this quesiton

On July 17 2012 00:08 Kurumi wrote:

Cycle is day-night. Half cycle is either day or night. They probably can communicate right now. Mind you, that's only 3 messages. CEO-High Rank-Minion and High Rank-Minion.

On July 17 2012 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, so far we have pseudo-scumhunting by most, RL by Palmar (:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) and Chezinu is a mad detective. Syllo wants to lynch Prob, marvel misses me and QbZ is sinani?

Did I miss anything gravely important before I post like...opinions?

On July 17 2012 01:42 supersoft wrote:
i disagree. He looks crazy but green. And his logic is not laughable at all. CEO should be a skilled player like syllo or sandro.
The problem with his logic is, that syllo and sandro didnt accuse him with bad reasoning, however from his point of view it might look so if he's green.
Moreover i doubt that syllo/sandro wanted to defend MZ there. However MZ really does look scummy for reasons i already pointed out.

On July 17 2012 01:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Welp I don't really know what to say to that since even a scum sandroba wouldn't KNOW that MZ was scum at this point unless he's one of the controllers and MZ was a minion. It's preposterous that there'd be any other reason to vote me, so after MZ flips minion, we can lynch Sandroba and he'll flip manager.

On July 17 2012 01:52 marvellosity wrote:
It looks more to me like HiroPro is going gung-ho on the tails of the experienced players and leaping in positively to look good.

On July 17 2012 01:53 marvellosity wrote:


and yet you're already so convinced here that you placed your vote?

lol!

On July 17 2012 01:55 supersoft wrote:


what exactly is your case about? What do you think of MZ?

On July 17 2012 01:56 Blazinghand wrote:


You see a case you think is good, and you voted. This is not something syllo did. Are you being intentionally obtuse, or is this actually what you think?

On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote:
@ Mattchew

What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched.

On July 17 2012 06:31 marvellosity wrote:


How is that trolling? If he was mafia I don't see him coming into the game and guessing that town wasn't in green in the role PM but was in regular text.

On July 17 2012 06:35 Kurumi wrote:

I thought about it and worst thing that could've happened to me would be a vigilante/bomber. I felt that following it wouldn't be that bad. Then a quick scan revealed that I was indeed right and it is someone who is NOT Mafia (lack of anyone else doing this)

On July 17 2012 06:41 Kurumi wrote:

If it was someone else would be using those words, right? At least two people. I am the only one. Think about it.

On July 17 2012 06:45 supersoft wrote:
did i skip something or might sandroba still be scum hardcorebussing his minion?

On July 17 2012 09:19 Probulous wrote:
Why now? Well because right before that I wrote this

He clearly only responded to me because I prodded him. This gives me the impression that he either didn't read my post beforehand, or he didn't think it was a big deal until someone prodded him. I mean why ignore me for so long if you think I am mafia based on my second post? Surely if you are town you want people to lynch the people you think are scum but he only mentions his target when his target asks him for his thoughts?

Then when Foolishness picks up on this he responds with

You didn't elaborate at all, even when I asked you too. I mean yes, I could be mafia and so you could just ignore me. however, it is likely I am not the only one who thought you case needed more work. In fact the distinct lack of vote from you and no real push from anyone else would suggest that it is not a strong case. So if you wanted me dead you would need to elaborate.

On July 17 2012 22:18 marvellosity wrote:
I wanna know what people think of HiroPro, coz I think he might be scum. There's some little things and then his behaviour surrounding BH.

Little things:



Quite willing to quote the OP when he's disproving someone else's point, but



hasn't read it enough to know mafia KP is set at 1 from the OP as well.

His behaviour with the random nuke thingy is bad as well. HiroPro is not Chezinu so I do not know why he was 'joking around' with pretending to nuke BH. I see no town motivation for this but the scum motivation of causing confusion and pulling out a town block is clear enough (lol jokes! isn't a defence).

Says he holds his vote all the time ---> places a vote 11 hours into Day 1 on the back of sandroba saying BH is 'artificial'.

BlazingHand things:

I remember reading scumQT in Magic mini where Hiro said he was basically just going to tunnel Navillus. Anyway, at first he seems unsure what's scummy about BH:



But once sandroba calls him scum, Hiro is all over it.



Regarding the bold, here and in the posts below I bold some of the reasoning for Hiro's vote. A lot of it seems to be of the thrust that BH is illogical, without ever explaining why illogical has to mean scummy. So in the post above we have "doesn't make sense" and "laughable".



Voting strangely... illogical reason. There's no explanation of the scum agenda. Same with "makes it seem as if he's coming up with reasons for his actions after he actually does them" - why is this a scumtell? Is it not true that mafia will give their posts more thought at the time rather than just posting blather and having to make up shit to excuse it later? Also for everything he actually stresses in this post "it's not my case". This seems like a weak sidestepping of responsibility.

In short I don't like his given reasoning for going after BH, he doesn't try to demonstrate any scummy agenda. I asked wbg how you scumhunt scummily, and this is it.

On July 18 2012 03:17 supersoft wrote:


is this poor attempt to look useful by austin a scumtell or is he just useless all the time?

On July 18 2012 03:27 Mattchew wrote:

he's not useless at all

what do you think of MZ

On July 18 2012 04:35 Mattchew wrote:
Katina's arguments with me also reminds me of when we argued in MTG theme (not actual MTG) Mafia, (Foolishness I would love for you to look at that game for a game where she posts more than twice a day and seemingly cares)

On July 18 2012 04:42 Mattchew wrote:

Do you think she hasnt tunneled me and Palmar this game? and Do you think her reasoning is good?

On July 18 2012 05:41 austinmcc wrote:
To be fair, I think sandro is fine for feeling that way about syllo. I got no problems with that argument this game, that we can leave certain players alive a few days, watch their hunting, and then reevaluate come D3-4.

On July 18 2012 07:40 Mattchew wrote:

Since my Katina push isn't going anywhere (hey anyone notice that awesome reasoning she had for voting BH?) I will aid you in the pushing and killing of MZ

##unvote
##vote Meapak_Ziphh

Because my read isn't based on his demeanor, his posting style, something off about his reads (something you can check on for a day or two), I don't want to leave him up.

On July 18 2012 09:27 Probulous wrote:


Well with an attitude like that, sure. No thoughts on my case at all

[B]On July 18 2012 12:32 Probulous wrote:

So he ignored me and then made up a bad reason for it? I've dropped it, so did Sandroba. If you are sheeping Sandroba why do you feel BH is a better lynch even though Sandroba does not?

Why respond if he thinks he can just get away with ignoring it. Sandroba didnt unvote because he stopped believing bh was scum; he did so because he didnt think there was enough support for a lynch. And unlike you I actually think wbg 's argument is valid.

...
Nevermind, you do your thing

BH is being bold, that is literally the reason you are voting for him? We no longer have more than 24 hrs so why is this a better case than Gonzaw?

I have already pointed out that everyone is going to be focused on survival. I don't understand Palmar's point and he never clarified it. No-one has told me why a townie would not be focused on surviving. It is much harder to prove your alignment this game so surviving if you are town is probably a decent strategy as opposed to, I don't know, dying?

Which is the biggest load of hogwash ever. He is suspicious, because? Oh I get it, he is suspicious because he is suspicious...

If you guys are going to push this wagon then please give me a reason to vote for BH cause right now the only one who has tried this is bugs and I fundamentally disagree with his logic on BH's response to the nuke.

On July 18 2012 12:45 Probulous wrote:


Sandro's filter says otherwise.

On July 18 2012 13:15 HiroPro wrote:
Foolishness's absence makes me a little suspicious. I dont think he ever gave a clear answer on whether or not he thought austin/bh were scum and they were the leading candidates when he was here (and Im pretty sure he said he was looking to move his vote)... And its not like he tried again to sway to his own target.

On July 19 2012 02:13 Katina wrote:
Mattchew: I will be post a case on you later. I'm pretty sure that you are Mafia. I still think Palmar is Mafia as well.

On July 19 2012 05:22 Zealos wrote:

Interesting. Because this seems to add to the thread. Apart from the fact you want me to feel insulted, perhaps attempting to irritate me to shit up the thread? Either way this seems like a red post to me :3

On July 17 2012 19:55 Zealos wrote:

I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch.

On July 18 2012 07:40 Zealos wrote:

I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet.

On July 19 2012 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
pretty likely scum. from what i've seen he doesn't really afk as town yet he got himself modkilled as scum in LV for no apparent reason.

Flip flopping on BH due to his self-vote past the deadline. Now I don't particularly like that either, but it's not like he didn't admit to it straight away. Then he's justifying his read with the crap about influential town Kurumi.

clearly smacks of not reading the thread and if you're attempting to make a case knowing nothing about thread happenings then actually you're just shitting things up = scum.

On July 19 2012 06:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

bugs it doesn't sound like you have a townie wincon anymore.

I had you as a pretty strong town read before so this is rather annoying.

On July 19 2012 06:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
It's foolishness, or someone who played in PYP:Interesting. That could be almost anyone given that this game has a lot of players from that one.

On July 19 2012 09:11 layabout wrote:
Do the accusations agaisnt zealos go beyond him not reading properly, contradicting himself and deciding to do something that will hurt town?

I would like to add that as a town replacement he didn't read very thoroughly in Bang Bang 2, he shot after expressing that he wouldn't earlier on and he committed to shooting early when doing so only hurt town's interests.

+ Show Spoiler [Bitter? who is bitter?] +

On July 19 2012 09:40 Chezinu wrote:

That makes no sense... think about.. think about...

On July 19 2012 09:53 layabout wrote:

That is not what happened.



Zealos contradicts RoL reason for his vote. He thinks that "we" might have overtunneled BH with relatively weak reasons. He does not say that he has not intention to lynch BH merely that he has doubts.

Now i think there were more reasons for lynching BH in the intervening time but i am too tired to find them.


He says that in addition to what has been said already that BH's behaviuor was odd, both in his "post deadline voteswitch" and his "nuke blocking cuffle". When Zealos says he would kill BH it is after a number of new reason to kill him have come to light it is not for the same reasons that he earlier referenced but never explicitly mentioned.

On July 18 2012 07:40 Zealos wrote:

Unfortunatly I'm going to have to go with this. Having only recently replaced in and having been out all day today, I'm just gonna vote for the person that seems the most scummy recently.

I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet.

##Vote: austinmcc

On July 19 2012 10:19 layabout wrote:

I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2.

Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him.

On July 19 2012 10:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

While you're rereading bang bang, have a look at rastaban as well.

On July 19 2012 10:19 layabout wrote:

I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2.

Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him.

On July 19 2012 13:27 Foolishness wrote:

Who cares? Any attempt to try to distinguish whether a suspect is an executive or not is retarded.

On July 20 2012 00:25 Palmar wrote:


I was in liar game too. He only became dominant near the end of the game. He was pretty much a non-factor early on.

Did you compare the filters linked?

On July 20 2012 00:29 Palmar wrote:
people don't change hiro.

I'm always an aggressive asshole. If I don't have time, I'm still an aggressive asshole, I just post less. Why are you so intent on defending him anyway?

On July 20 2012 00:35 Palmar wrote:
yeah but why?

All you've focused on so far is the amount of his posts, not the content.

On July 20 2012 00:44 marvellosity wrote:


so why do you not agree with it?

On July 20 2012 03:43 syllogism wrote:
I've to say I'm a bit worried about something. To be specific, Palmar's filter right now is about 3 pages and there's not much time left until day 3. Foolishness' failsafe "is Palmar mafia" proof relies on his filter being either less than 3 pages or more than 6 pages, so we may be stuck in a "not-quite-sure-if-mafia" limbo.

On July 17 2012 18:35 syllogism wrote:
Also Foolishness reasons for considering palmar town are incredibly amusing, you can't seriously believe that. Average post length is concrete?

On July 20 2012 03:50 marvellosity wrote:
don't think it was entirely serious...

On July 20 2012 07:34 sandroba wrote:
Man this is fun.

I messaged Zealos yesterday before the day post. He never revealed he got pm. I just got confirmation that the pm was sent and Zealos has posted twice since then. So yeah fun times.

On July 20 2012 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm kinda amazed scum is still falling for this "get PMed by Sandro and fuck up" thing. Like, any townie who gets a PM will obviously tell the thread... why doesn't scum?


It stands for Public Relations.

On July 20 2012 07:51 Blazinghand wrote:


As do I.

JUST TO REITERATE: I'm TOTALLY down to kill EITHER of these guys today. Both are fine to lynch. The other will be lynched tomorrow. Killing Zealos, however, cuts short one night of possible mafia PR usage, whereas Kurumi has already used his 1-shot nuke power.

I will be around CONSTANTLY and am totally willing to go back to Kurumi to insure a lynch today.

##unvote
##vote: Zealos

Let's do it.

On July 20 2012 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:

Oh shit is this a straight-up scumslips? Supersoft exec?

On July 20 2012 08:57 Probulous wrote:


Well we will know by the end of the day. If there is no nuke sent at Zealos then we have no nuke. This is why I want to know if there are still people who think BH is scum. Either I can explain my logic to them and save them the hassle of tunnelling a likely town, or they can point out to me why I am being stupid, or they are scum. It's a win-win-win.

On July 20 2012 09:27 Probulous wrote:

Kurumi is the only person who had a nuke

On July 20 2012 14:38 Blazinghand wrote:


Given that the greater part of the Zealos case rests on Sandroba's use of his role

On July 21 2012 01:28 Blazinghand wrote:


# of people who liked my case against zealos before sandro got involved: like, 3
# of people who liked my case against zealos after sandro got involved: literally everyone

On July 20 2012 04:12 Blazinghand wrote:
Like, I wish I could write MORE on Zealos, but his strategy this entire game has been to never post except to show up and call things "odd" and "weird" and then dissappear and lurk more. His attack on me is scummy as dicks, and then this:



like, what? What about kurumi, what about making a real case, what about checking in on things or being remotely helpful?

This is scum trying to skate by, every one of his choices this game is clearly undefendable from town motivation, but easily has scum motivation.

On July 20 2012 14:38 Blazinghand wrote:


Given that the greater part of the Zealos case rests on Sandroba's use of his role, I must agree. I still don't like zealos though for his constant whining, but maybe he was just an easy target for scum.

On July 21 2012 02:16 Foolishness wrote:

Clearly there's still plenty more to discuss as the number of times I've seen a unique "Player X should be our day 3 lynch" is substantial.

Kurumi yes (that's why I've voted for him), Blazinghand yes, Bill Murray yes, Zealos I'm not convinced at all. Frankly there's no real case against him. You and blazinghand and Kurumi (as well as a few others) have all claimed he's mafia but have yet to provide more than a single sentence explanation. It was the same thing that happened with austin yesterday; nobody really made a case against him, everyone just decided to sheep along with one persons' thoughts and jump ship. Until someone actually makes a case there's no reason why Zealos should be getting killed.

On July 21 2012 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
If he IS able, then tomorrow we figure out which of Sandroba/Chezinu is scum. Because two people having that power on town side seems ridiculously unfair to scum, I think that would make one of them scum. Does anyone disagree with this?

On July 21 2012 02:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I find it interesting that you didn't take issue with the FIRST assumption, that if he is UNABLE, then he's certainly scum bussing his department...which is more of an empirical statement and actually more of an assumption. :/

I'd like everyone's thoughts plz.

On July 21 2012 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

I have no idea what you're talking about. The OP says the chairmen dudes can send PMs to their minions, they have three minions each. Once sandroba sends to more than three people we'll know he's not a chairmen. I didn't really feel it necessary to include this one:



Since it's obvious that if he's not a chairman he can't be the CEO.


Where exactly is my interpretation bad?

On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

On July 21 2012 05:57 Mattchew wrote:

not, but what does his alignment have to do with this?

On July 21 2012 06:02 Mattchew wrote:

well he can steal votes, he already proved that

On July 21 2012 06:32 Mattchew wrote:

Did you read Chez and VE's back and forth from like 14 hours ago?

On July 21 2012 07:00 Kurumi wrote:

Buy yourself a cake. So now I know that we're ok if something funky happens. Thanks HiroPro.

On July 22 2012 12:05 rastaban wrote:

Who was it, VE I think, who even said Vt would be enough. Over compensation.

Lynch Zealos

Compare the difference between his behaviour around Palmar and around Syllo, BM. The vehemence of his defense versus the pussy cat attack suggests he doesn't really want to lynch Palmar.

On July 22 2012 21:36 supersoft wrote:
So he's a vig that can shoot from night 2 on? mhm sure. This role fits perfectly into the setup. Who else has an ability you can only use from night2 onwards?

On July 24 2012 10:34 marvellosity wrote:


Quick pre-question then; given Palmar flipped non-executive, do you find it more likely that below CEO roles were randomised? Else there would be 2 players still left 'above' Palmar

On July 24 2012 10:59 marvellosity wrote:


was there anything on this?

On July 24 2012 11:11 Probulous wrote:


My running theory is to distance himself as much as possible from his original Foolishness defense. Night 1 had no vigs so mafia assume there are no vigs, or they are delayed. Then when Foolishness flips they know someone will claim that shot, so they claim first. Remember this is a closed setup so we don't know if there are multiple vigs, his claims adds nothing to the discussion because we cannot verify it. All it does it give him a shot at town cred. Unfortunately for him, it was supersoft not someone like Zealos, who counter claimed.

The claim itself is my sticking point as well and anyway I look at it, I come up with a null. It doesn't say anything really. What does the rest of his filter say?

On July 17 2012 04:08 Mattchew wrote:
More evidence against Katina. She pushes Palmar for wanting the RL but doesn't mention Hiropro who also came out in favor of it. She says that she doesn't like Palmar's defense with his "I hate you guys" and "I dont want to talk to marv anymore" post but then posts this to me


WBG said here (LVI Obs) the way to catch Katina

She ignores others in favor of RL and she contradicts herself about Palmars defense with her own completely lacking defense

On July 23 2012 10:30 Mattchew wrote:

I said it before using a WBG quote on how to quote her. I think she is accusing people for things other people (or herself) are doing. I don't think a lot of the things in her cases are logical and she was told by wbg (in advice to improve her scum play) to make more cases on more people, which I think she's forced out this game.

On July 25 2012 01:58 marvellosity wrote:
Whose guilt have you been convincing us of then Hiro? ^^

On July 25 2012 02:05 Mattchew wrote:

Define doing nothing about it.

On July 25 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote:
Alright... you're up for lynching Zealos tomorrow then?

On July 25 2012 02:14 slOosh wrote:
Anyone have thoughts on this? Only austin sort of addressed this:

On July 25 2012 02:18 supersoft wrote:
We are not lynching Zealos tomorrow. We lynch Meapak

On July 25 2012 02:51 syllogism wrote:

He has been very passive and his behavior near day 1 lynch deadline was quite suspicious. First he wanted to switch from BH to Gonzaw because mattchew's vote was "stuck" on gonzaw. He also stated that he was fine with lynching either BH or Gonzaw and cites Sandroba's support being one of his reasons for support gonzaw lynch. However, after the no-lynch he started the blame game in a very noncommittal manner, vaguely alluding to people responsible for the gonzaw wagon when BH and austin wagons were "well established". Now, who is responsible for Gonzaw wagon? Sandroba and Probulous, the former who is considered nearly confirmed town by this point! He also says people who "threw their vote away" are also under scrutiny, but they certainly didn't come under any scrutiny from Mr. Meapak.

It's also worth nothing that Meapak hadn't voted at all until he showed up 45 minutes before the lynch when BH wagon was the dominant one. He had to vote, so he pretty much had no choice but to vote BH at the time.

It doesn't get much more passive than this:





At the time Meapak is still sure that BH is mafia (though for some reason he writes a case on Rastaban instaed), but right after saying he thinks Zealos is mafia he weakly asks BH to write a case on Zealos.

Now he, just like Palmar was, is barely posting and doesn't seem to care at all.

On July 25 2012 03:03 Katina wrote:
To answer a question I saw a few pages back, I'm not really leaning for sure Mafia on Syllo anymore after I went through his filter a while ago. I'm more of a null read on him right now and I wouldn't be up to lynch him at this moment since I have found others who are much more scummier to me. I don't think it's a good idea to lynch Zealos (atleast not right now) As I said there are others that should be lynched instead right now.

I feel strongly for a sloosh or gonzaw lynch as I have state before. I have seen some talk sbout Meapak and I wouldn't mind that either (Since he's on my list) but as for Zealos he hasn't been around for awhile so I will hold off on that until I see more from him. His filter can go either way... Either Mafia or misguided townie (I'm not positive on which one like Mattchew)

On July 25 2012 23:52 marvellosity wrote:
what is your read on gonzaw??

We are setting up a counterclaim. Check out WBG's C9++. The CEO tells me that we have stuff in place to resolve everything. It is likely that you will quickly be found out - that is ideal, it adds credibility; however, you must remain alive long enough for the other pieces of the plan to fit.

On July 27 2012 06:42 Chezinu wrote:
Day3: oh that’s today. That means I got 2 and a half hours to pm someone.. I know someone in the thread was lonely cause I didn’t message them.. but I really want to make a message to someone else.. I could pm someone all of my reads…but that’s not a Chezinu strategy way to do things..