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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 02 2012 15:56 GMT
#15
/in

Hopefully I can get in
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 06 2012 02:54 GMT
#40
On July 06 2012 08:14 marvellosity wrote:
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On July 06 2012 08:13 supersoft wrote:
uh I have to play in this one :-o

/in please :-]


I'm starting to think this >.<


You know you want to

When it says "He can send orders to one of them every half cycle.", do you mean that an order can be sent once during day and than once during night, or 2 orders per day/night?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 06 2012 23:45 GMT
#43
Yea, this is going to be really interesting for the scum players.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2012 18:13 GMT
#107
Well there's a simple way to know. If his name makes it onto the player list, he's a smurf
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 11 2012 18:22 GMT
#111
It's harder than it sounds I tried that when I played as a hydra, but I just kept defaulting to my normal browser and screwing up.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 13:10 GMT
#262
I like a random lynch. Let's do it. 03:00 GMT (+00:00) today is a good time to randomize. risk, I don't agree with your point about losing discussion at all.

Probulous, I agree with you that shifts are an important thing to look at. But day 1 to day 2 is not the time I'm interested in. Halfway through day 1 and halfway through night 1 are the times that are important; this is when the 2 managers will receive their orders and they are the people who have the most knowledge in this setup.

Also, I want to hear everyone's thoughts on policy lynching people who claim cop/track/watch and say that they have a red check on someone. The way I see it is in this setup, even if mafia has only 1 KP (and I would think 2 is more likely), 1 for 1 trades are good for them due to the sheer number of people they have. It would be very easy for a minion to fake a claim and watch as the other person gets lynched. If they're town, it's good, 1 for 1 is right on the pace they need. If they happen to kill one of their own they can use the cred to confirm themselves pretty much. I think the same thing would also apply to vigis who try to claim a shot without breadcrumbs.

If a manager dies, will we receive any info that they got on their minions (other than their names)?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 13:12 GMT
#264
What about BH? Is it that he's basically disregarded Probulous's questioning?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 13:24 GMT
#268
On July 16 2012 22:17 austinmcc wrote:
Ummmm, did nobody read iGrok's game?
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 18:19 Palmar wrote:
Supporting an RNG lynch is not a bad idea. It's a net gain for town, as long as you settle the target early enough. It will actually help a lot trying to figure out what really is going on in the game. It creates an unusual situation that most people aren't sure how to react to, and it's in an unstable environment it's easiest to catch mafia. The point is that you can't really explain that in the thread (hence why I didn't) because as soon as everyone realizes you're meant to argue about whether you actually follow through with the random lynch, instead of just executing it, everyone will start thinking about it like a normal case based on analysis, and the advantage will have been lost.

I'm hoping some of you remember this for future games, I've yet to successfully push through the idea of a RL because of it's inherent flaw that you can't explain it. It's like why arguing about LAL is dumb as shit. As soon as you argue about it, you've given people an excuse to lie. You just shut your stupid face and say that it's a 100% solid policy and liars WILL be lynched, while secretly keeping yourself in check and being ready to go against that position.

Anyway, enough about how to play mafia.
The %s may be higher here, but a random lynch still isn't anything but a discussion-generator. That game was 2 scum 1 SK 8 town, 3/11 or 27% chance to hit non-town on a random lynch. This is 9/27, 33% chance. Not higher enough to really matter.

I like the discussion of causing chaos to mess with mafia, to some extent. Just like with the Sleeper Cell games, this isn't normal mafia. Town have the numbers advantage, and, for now, are more or less on even footing information-wise. Scum don't have an advantage UNTIL they get organized. Some forms of being chaotic would be equally harmful to both factions, other forms would be more harmful to town (higher numbers).

However, I don't support trying to cause chaos, because we don't know (and can't know) when mafia will get organized. We can speculate all we want about how many cycles it could take, and how each of us would communicate with mafia underlings were we CEO (see sleeper cell...II? for message speculation), but, especially given the vague comments about censoring messages made by hosts, we just don't know whether mafia can get fully organized, or how long that would take. At some point, IF they can organize, any chaos we cause only hurts town and no longer hurts mafia. Not good.


Can we kill you? Or would that be too much chaos?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 13:36 GMT
#272
On July 16 2012 22:30 austinmcc wrote:
You can. But you shouldn't. That's right, I'm claiming killable.
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On July 16 2012 22:17 austinmcc wrote:
[b]I like the discussion of causing chaos to mess with mafia, to some extent.
...
However, I don't support trying to cause chaos

As in, QbertZ's bringing it up wasn't a bad idea, but I don't think we should try and make things chaotic.


I imagine you have an opinion on MZ/BH that you'd like to share then if you thought that was good discussion?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 14:14 GMT
#276
What do you think about policy lynching cop/track/watch claims, supersoft (see my post above)?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 15:03 GMT
#285
On July 16 2012 23:32 rastaban wrote:
Caught up now, thoughts so far:

First off the random vote is a bad idea, normally the reason it is used is to eliminate mafia influence, but guess what the mafia don't know who each other are so this lynch will be without their influence anyway. We have a golden opportunity to have a lynch today with mafia having to base their judgments on reads, and make hard choices while not able to communicate. Fellow employees do not squander this opportunity!

I think there will be a noticeable shift in reactions before and after the half-cycle depending on whether or not the person put up randomly is mafia or not.


On July 16 2012 23:49 Kurumi wrote:
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On July 16 2012 22:10 HiroPro wrote:
If a manager dies, will we receive any info that they got on their minions (other than their names)?

What the heck is this quesiton


I want to know whether or not minion's abilities are revealed if their manager dies.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 15:06 GMT
#288
That's why I want the random lynch to be right before the half-cycle
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 15:14 GMT
#290
On July 17 2012 00:08 Kurumi wrote:
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On July 17 2012 00:06 HiroPro wrote:
That's why I want the random lynch to be right before the half-cycle

Cycle is day-night. Half cycle is either day or night. They probably can communicate right now. Mind you, that's only 3 messages. CEO-High Rank-Minion and High Rank-Minion.


Bah, I thought it meant halfway through the day/night. I guess that kinda takes away the reactions we could get from the random lynch then.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 15:31 GMT
#297
On July 17 2012 00:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, so far we have pseudo-scumhunting by most, RL by Palmar (:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO) and Chezinu is a mad detective. Syllo wants to lynch Prob, marvel misses me and QbZ is sinani?

Did I miss anything gravely important before I post like...opinions?


You missed BH making an odd vote on MZ and then ignoring Probulous when he questioned him on his Chezinu vote.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 16:38 GMT
#319
I agree with sandroba: BH's posting looks very artificial.

His reasoning for ignoring Probulous doesn't make sense: Probulous's question is not invalid just because BH switched targets. And his logic for thinking that sandroba/syllo are scum is laughable.

##Vote Blazinghand
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 16:44 GMT
#322
Your "case" on syllo is bad. Just because he says he wants to lynch but doesn't vote for them doesn't mean he is scum. I think his reasoning for his points are fine.

And it's pretty hilarious that you say I shouldn't get "crazy" with my voting when you've been throwing your own vote around and argue that syllo is scum for not voting...
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 16:45 GMT
#323
On July 17 2012 01:42 supersoft wrote:
i disagree. He looks crazy but green. And his logic is not laughable at all. CEO should be a skilled player like syllo or sandro.
The problem with his logic is, that syllo and sandro didnt accuse him with bad reasoning, however from his point of view it might look so if he's green.
Moreover i doubt that syllo/sandro wanted to defend MZ there. However MZ really does look scummy for reasons i already pointed out.


I consider this laughable:

On July 17 2012 01:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Welp I don't really know what to say to that since even a scum sandroba wouldn't KNOW that MZ was scum at this point unless he's one of the controllers and MZ was a minion. It's preposterous that there'd be any other reason to vote me, so after MZ flips minion, we can lynch Sandroba and he'll flip manager.

HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 16:52 GMT
#327
I don't really agree. I hold my vote all the time as town if I want to see a little more from that person.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 16:54 GMT
#332
On July 17 2012 01:52 marvellosity wrote:
It looks more to me like HiroPro is going gung-ho on the tails of the experienced players and leaping in positively to look good.


You can call it whatever you want. But I see a case that I think is good.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 16 2012 16:56 GMT
#335
On July 17 2012 01:53 marvellosity wrote:
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On July 17 2012 01:52 HiroPro wrote:
I don't really agree. I hold my vote all the time as town if I want to see a little more from that person.


and yet you're already so convinced here that you placed your vote?

lol!


Yes. I waited for BH to respond to Probulous/sandroba and he's acted scummy in his response.
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