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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 19 2012 22:58 GMT
#1847
On July 20 2012 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 20 2012 07:54 sandroba wrote:
On July 20 2012 07:52 supersoft wrote:
On July 20 2012 07:50 sandroba wrote:
Well we should just lynch kurumi to not give the hosts much trouble. I asked zealos to breacrumb if he had any powers in his posts and he didn't do anything so I assume no power.


ah well he should have known that this wan't from his master. The masters should know the powers of the minions...
good. We stick with kurumi then.

Really? I can't find that in the OP. How do you know that?

Oh shit is this a straight-up scumslips? Supersoft exec?


Pretty sure someone asked a question about that.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 00:15 GMT
#1893
On July 20 2012 08:57 Probulous wrote:
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On July 20 2012 08:50 marvellosity wrote:
I would not be surprised. I could easily think of a townie being obstinate and saving their nuke on the basis that Kurumi was going to die anyway. And there's probably other silly reasons too.


Well we will know by the end of the day. If there is no nuke sent at Zealos then we have no nuke. This is why I want to know if there are still people who think BH is scum. Either I can explain my logic to them and save them the hassle of tunnelling a likely town, or they can point out to me why I am being stupid, or they are scum. It's a win-win-win.


What is your logic?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 00:30 GMT
#1903
On July 20 2012 09:27 Probulous wrote:
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On July 20 2012 09:15 HiroPro wrote:
On July 20 2012 08:57 Probulous wrote:
On July 20 2012 08:50 marvellosity wrote:
I would not be surprised. I could easily think of a townie being obstinate and saving their nuke on the basis that Kurumi was going to die anyway. And there's probably other silly reasons too.


Well we will know by the end of the day. If there is no nuke sent at Zealos then we have no nuke. This is why I want to know if there are still people who think BH is scum. Either I can explain my logic to them and save them the hassle of tunnelling a likely town, or they can point out to me why I am being stupid, or they are scum. It's a win-win-win.


What is your logic?

Kurumi is the only person who had a nuke


I'd rather not assume this. But we'll see I guess.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 02:42 GMT
#1977
What are you saying Chezinu
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 02:49 GMT
#1986
slOosh could you explain a little bit more what makes you think Foolishness is town other than his case on BM?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 14:45 GMT
#2159
On July 20 2012 14:38 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 20 2012 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG this is huge...this is big guy, Chez are you claiming town-aligned messenger? This is big because if you are I think I would rather lynch Sandroba than Zealos tomorrow.


Given that the greater part of the Zealos case rests on Sandroba's use of his role


This is so wrong...
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 14:58 GMT
#2164
marv, do you think chezinu is telling the truth? I do.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 16:43 GMT
#2182
On July 21 2012 01:28 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 20 2012 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
On July 20 2012 23:45 HiroPro wrote:
On July 20 2012 14:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 20 2012 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG this is huge...this is big guy, Chez are you claiming town-aligned messenger? This is big because if you are I think I would rather lynch Sandroba than Zealos tomorrow.


Given that the greater part of the Zealos case rests on Sandroba's use of his role


This is so wrong...


It's not even that it's wrong, it's the fact that PRIOR to the PM thing with Zealos coming to light, BH had branded him scum... "Zealos should be our D3 lynch", "you are the scummiest player alive after Kurumi" among other shizzle.

Now most of the case is on the sandroba use of his role?

Does not compute.


# of people who liked my case against zealos before sandro got involved: like, 3
# of people who liked my case against zealos after sandro got involved: literally everyone


That is not what you said at all. You were not referring to support for the case. You said that the case itself rested mostly on sandroba's role usage, but that is completely false, with what you yourself said before. You have everything about Zealos pointing to scum. You have confirmed town in WBG calling zealos "almost confirmed scum". And then all of sudden, doubts about sandroba make you think Zealos was just "an easy target"? I don't buy it.

On July 20 2012 04:12 Blazinghand wrote:
Like, I wish I could write MORE on Zealos, but his strategy this entire game has been to never post except to show up and call things "odd" and "weird" and then dissappear and lurk more. His attack on me is scummy as dicks, and then this:

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On July 19 2012 05:26 Zealos wrote:
I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb,


like, what? What about kurumi, what about making a real case, what about checking in on things or being remotely helpful?

This is scum trying to skate by, every one of his choices this game is clearly undefendable from town motivation, but easily has scum motivation.



On July 20 2012 14:38 Blazinghand wrote:
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On July 20 2012 14:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG this is huge...this is big guy, Chez are you claiming town-aligned messenger? This is big because if you are I think I would rather lynch Sandroba than Zealos tomorrow.


Given that the greater part of the Zealos case rests on Sandroba's use of his role, I must agree. I still don't like zealos though for his constant whining, but maybe he was just an easy target for scum.

HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 17:29 GMT
#2190
On July 21 2012 02:16 Foolishness wrote:
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On July 21 2012 02:01 rastaban wrote:
On July 21 2012 01:49 Foolishness wrote:
On July 21 2012 01:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 21 2012 01:14 Foolishness wrote:
On July 21 2012 00:57 Palmar wrote:
your persistence is amazing kurumi.

Did I mention katina is scum? How about you look into her?

Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game.

looool
Your contributions to this game have been overwhelming foolishness, I have seen the light and realized that katina is indeed valuable to the town. How could I have not seen this before... riiiiiight.

Anyway we need to all make sure kurumi dies today. There's no excuse if he somehow wiggles out of this again. People need to remember this, it doesn't matter what alignment sandroba is at this point, kurumi got caught hook line and sinker. It'd be actually retarded if he somehow gets away.

It's great to discuss more potential lynch targets but everyone needs to make sure the kurumi lynch happens today. I've seen a couple people call him town in the last couple pages (cough rastaban cough) this is just grossly negligent failure to read the thread, don't let this sentiment somehow take hold. Again, if you think about it, it doesn't matter which side sandro is on for kurumi to be scum.

Well you should have seen it a lot of earlier. Can you give me a name of someone who makes more sense? I can only think of two people in which you can make an argument for.

It's fine to discuss potential lynch targets, the issue is that it is day two and literally every player has been accused. There's absolutely zero focus. One page people are talking about Zealos, 3 pages later it's about Chezinu. With so many cases it's hard to tell who is actually trying to make a case (townies) and who's just fueling the fire (mafia). From what I can see though the people of interest in this regard are Blazinghand (should be obvious by now), marvellosity, and HiroPro. supersoft, Mattchew, Probulous, Palmar and yourself are somewhat guilty but not to the same extent.


Other than BM where should the focus be? Don't you beleive that Kurumi and Zealos are scum? We have BH after both of them. I am confused on what you want to focus on, is their more to discuss on these 3 players? I am just confused as to what you mean by wanting to focus. It seems to me that town is pretty agreed on the next, 2 if not 3 lynches.

Clearly there's still plenty more to discuss as the number of times I've seen a unique "Player X should be our day 3 lynch" is substantial.

Kurumi yes (that's why I've voted for him), Blazinghand yes, Bill Murray yes, Zealos I'm not convinced at all. Frankly there's no real case against him. You and blazinghand and Kurumi (as well as a few others) have all claimed he's mafia but have yet to provide more than a single sentence explanation. It was the same thing that happened with austin yesterday; nobody really made a case against him, everyone just decided to sheep along with one persons' thoughts and jump ship. Until someone actually makes a case there's no reason why Zealos should be getting killed.


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On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:
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On July 19 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote:
Zealos, who would you like to kill other than austin? Don't say Kurumi.

And can you explain your vote for austin? What did you find scummy?

Unfortunately my vote for austin was a rush vote where I voted for who seemed to have a decent case against them. I simply didn't have time to look over the whole thread, which is regrettable. As for today, I think a good kill would be BH.

I gather it's pretty much a wagon at this point, but just to add to things:

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On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die

Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you?

Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip.

You are making this so easy.
I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me?

._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now.


That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player.

The post I made early about him also pointed his odd vote switch after the deadline, which doesn't seem town at all to me. Not to mention the massive cuffle with all the nuking and blocking (which I still don't understand at all, are nukes standard in some games?)

So he's my pick so far.


On July 19 2012 05:25 HiroPro wrote:
Like if you had told me that BH was being useless by talking to Kurumi, I might have believed that. But "buddying up to an influential town player". Really?


On July 19 2012 05:31 HiroPro wrote:
Wait a second.... You're the guy who said this about BH day 1:

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On July 17 2012 19:55 Zealos wrote:
On July 17 2012 19:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
On July 17 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread.


Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with.

*I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself).

I think every time I have used this logic of "I know I am 100% town" I have been scum. I actually don't ever recall seeing anyone use this as town.

##Vote: BlazingHand

I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch.


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On July 18 2012 07:40 Zealos wrote:

I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet.


And now your read is completely different. Despite the fact that the Kurumi post you quoted and the brunt of the case against BH was made very early on, well before you say that you didn't like a BH case.



On July 19 2012 10:06 HiroPro wrote:
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On July 19 2012 09:53 layabout wrote:
On July 19 2012 09:31 HiroPro wrote:
On July 19 2012 09:11 layabout wrote:
Do the accusations agaisnt zealos go beyond him not reading properly, contradicting himself and deciding to do something that will hurt town?

I would like to add that as a town replacement he didn't read very thoroughly in Bang Bang 2, he shot after expressing that he wouldn't earlier on and he committed to shooting early when doing so only hurt town's interests.

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On June 20 2012 06:40 layabout wrote:
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On June 20 2012 04:51 Zealos wrote:
Dirkzor - Town
Zealos - Town
layabout - Unsure
Kenpachi - ???
RebirthOfLegend - Town
MrZentor - Leaning Town
Toadesstern - Town

I want to see Ken shoot layabout or MrZentor. Thoughts?


Why did you just post a list that shows the varying degrees to which you think players are town at night?

Why do you provide no explanations whatsoever?

Why have you not formed a coherent stance on me?

Why are you willing to let Mr. zentor die when you have 4 town reads you are leaning town on Mr Zentor and you are unsure about 2 players?

Need i point out that there are only two anti-town players left?

I think that zealos should shoot kenpachi.

Also no shooting early on! People (should) have stuff to post.

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*glares at everyone with contempt*



On June 20 2012 07:11 Zealos wrote:
I'm not shooting unless someone plans to shoot me, otherwise I waste the information I can gain from seeing who can shoot.
I would prefer Ken to shoot you laya, obviously, but if the rest of the town is strongly for a zentor kill, then that can work too. With only 3 people who I am unsure about, the shot WILL hit either the sk or mafia.



On June 21 2012 02:13 layabout wrote:
It is very important that if i am alive i have the opportunity to post tomorrow.

Please don't fuck up another game.



On June 21 2012 03:13 layabout wrote:
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On June 21 2012 02:54 Zealos wrote:
Post now, you're dying tomorrow.

Suck my dick.

I have to wait until day to post it because posting it at night would be harmful to town.

There is no reason for town to shoot before i get back to the thread and have a chance to post. Tomorrow may be lylo and an early shot is a less informed shot.

The only two people that have expressed a desire for me to die are zealos and kenpachi.

The reasons zealos has given are defensible from his standpoint (except that he doesn't explain any of his town reads and yet still offers them publicly) and kenpachi has told us that i am scummy.



On June 21 2012 03:23 MrZentor wrote:
Yeah, Zealos, there's no reason for layabout to post it now, and you're a lot scummier than he is.



On June 21 2012 19:43 Zealos wrote:
If mafia shot ken then he's stupid.
##kill(##kill): layabout
If dirk isn't town then shit.



On June 21 2012 19:56 Ace wrote:
Day 6




layabout, Vanilla Towny has been shot
+ Show Spoiler [Role] +

You are a Vanilla Towny. You've had enough. No more sitting around voting on who's guilty. You've got a gun, and people will learn to listen to you or get bent. Any time during the day you may type ##kill(##Kill): player in the thread and shoot them. The day will end once you shoot. Once you have shot, you have to wait X number of days to shoot again where X is based on the total number of times you've shot during the game. So if you've shot at 2 people during the game, you have to wait 2 days before shooting again.

You win when all anti-town players are eliminated. Good luck!


It is now Night 6. Night 6 ends in 17 hours at 12:00AM ET / 13:00 KST on June 22nd.



You don't think the fact that he initially says he has no intention of lynching BH, then based on the same exact evidence later tells me that BH is the person he would kill (and based on a complete bs reason: BH buddying to "influential townie" Kurumi) is scummy?

That is not what happened.


On July 17 2012 19:55 Zealos wrote:
On July 17 2012 19:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
On July 17 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread.


Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with.

*I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself).

I think every time I have used this logic of "I know I am 100% town" I have been scum. I actually don't ever recall seeing anyone use this as town.

##Vote: BlazingHand

I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch.

Zealos contradicts RoL reason for his vote. He thinks that "we" might have overtunneled BH with relatively weak reasons. He does not say that he has not intention to lynch BH merely that he has doubts.

Now i think there were more reasons for lynching BH in the intervening time but i am too tired to find them.

On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:
On July 19 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote:
Zealos, who would you like to kill other than austin? Don't say Kurumi.

And can you explain your vote for austin? What did you find scummy?

Unfortunately my vote for austin was a rush vote where I voted for who seemed to have a decent case against them. I simply didn't have time to look over the whole thread, which is regrettable. As for today, I think a good kill would be BH.

I gather it's pretty much a wagon at this point, but just to add to things:

On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die

Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you?

Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip.

You are making this so easy.
I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me?

._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now.


That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player.

The post I made early about him also pointed his odd vote switch after the deadline, which doesn't seem town at all to me. Not to mention the massive cuffle with all the nuking and blocking (which I still don't understand at all, are nukes standard in some games?)

So he's my pick so far.

He says that in addition to what has been said already that BH's behaviuor was odd, both in his "post deadline voteswitch" and his "nuke blocking cuffle". When Zealos says he would kill BH it is after a number of new reason to kill him have come to light it is not for the same reasons that he earlier referenced but never explicitly mentioned.


He says again later that he does not want to lynch BH and this is well into day 1. The nuke blocking stuff has already been completely covered by WBG at this point.

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On July 18 2012 07:40 Zealos wrote:
On July 18 2012 06:38 risk.nuke wrote:
On July 18 2012 06:21 marvellosity wrote:
for tonight, 6h 40 mins

Okey good thanks, I just finnished reading up on the thread and I'd say I did better then skimming but not really a thorough readthrough either. Right now I'm feeling of a mind to join in on the austin wagon. It seems nice there.

Unfortunatly I'm going to have to go with this. Having only recently replaced in and having been out all day today, I'm just gonna vote for the person that seems the most scummy recently.

I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet.

##Vote: austinmcc


So the only point that came up new was BH's post deadline vote-switch. I find it very hard to believe that alone is enough to shift from a lynch he doesn't like to the person he would most like to kill (other than Kurumi. Additionally, look at his behavior when I started talking to him. As soon I become a little suspicious he completely leaves the thread and says that he'll just vote for BH when the day starts and leave people to do what they like.



On July 19 2012 10:48 HiroPro wrote:
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On July 19 2012 10:19 layabout wrote:
On July 19 2012 10:08 HiroPro wrote:
Also, you still did not explain why a town Zealos would ever try to argue that BH was trying to buddy "influential townie" Kurumi.

I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2.

Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him.


Ok, I read his filter. I was too lazy to read the thread going on at the same time. I think your opinion of his town play is a little low - while he's certainly not what I would call very helpful and the shot seemed bad (I can't judge that well), he seems to have more involvement in the thread - and he did identify Zentor as scum correctly...

HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 17:32 GMT
#2193
We haven't even seen Kurumi and Zealos flip, VE....
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 17:33 GMT
#2194
On July 21 2012 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
If he IS able, then tomorrow we figure out which of Sandroba/Chezinu is scum. Because two people having that power on town side seems ridiculously unfair to scum, I think that would make one of them scum. Does anyone disagree with this?


And this is such a bad assumption to make....
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 17:40 GMT
#2197
On July 21 2012 02:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I find it interesting that you didn't take issue with the FIRST assumption, that if he is UNABLE, then he's certainly scum bussing his department...which is more of an empirical statement and actually more of an assumption. :/

I'd like everyone's thoughts plz.


Hence why I said "we haven't seen kurumi and zealos flip, VE....."
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 17:45 GMT
#2202
You know what I find interesting Foolishness? The fact that Kurumi's response to sandroba's message is enough for you to kill him, but Zealos's response to sandroba's message isn't even worth mentioning in your read.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 18:06 GMT
#2209
On July 21 2012 03:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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On July 21 2012 02:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 21 2012 02:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
-The Chairman of the Board and the Chairman of Marketing know 3 minions each. They can send orders to one minion every half cycle.

Seems to me that as soon as sandro sends a message to 4 people he'll be confirmed, I see no reason to kill him until it becomes apparent he can't do this.


You're pretty loose with your interpretation of the rules MZ. :/

I have no idea what you're talking about. The OP says the chairmen dudes can send PMs to their minions, they have three minions each. Once sandroba sends to more than three people we'll know he's not a chairmen. I didn't really feel it necessary to include this one:

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-The CEO knows the Chairman of the Board and the Chairman of Marketing. He can send orders to one of them every half cycle.


Since it's obvious that if he's not a chairman he can't be the CEO.


Where exactly is my interpretation bad?


I don't think your idea make sense because there's no way to tell who messages are sent by. But in any case, sandroba is very likely town.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 19:34 GMT
#2244
Syllo, why do you think Palmar is mafia? You haven't really said anything specific: just that his tone/attitude are off and he's not putting in effort.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 20:55 GMT
#2271
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec


How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 20:57 GMT
#2274
On July 21 2012 05:57 Mattchew wrote:
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On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec


How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?

not, but what does his alignment have to do with this?


If BM was unable to do this, I would think that the more likely conclusion is that he is lying, not that sandroba is an exec.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 21:05 GMT
#2277
On July 21 2012 06:02 Mattchew wrote:
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On July 21 2012 05:57 HiroPro wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:57 Mattchew wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec


How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?

not, but what does his alignment have to do with this?


If BM was unable to do this, I would think that the more likely conclusion is that he is lying, not that sandroba is an exec.

well he can steal votes, he already proved that


Sure, but he's done nothing to demonstrate that he can steal powers. Additionally, a scum BM lying that he didn't actually get the power when in reality he did in order to get sandroba lynched (1 for 1) is a good trade for mafia.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 21:28 GMT
#2298
So Matt what made you go from considering/including Chezinu on your scum lists to considering Chezinu town and using the logic of "can't have 2 people with the ability to PM anyone" to make your read on sandroba?
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost

Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum
Katina - read my filter
Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting
Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself
Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL
Bill Murray
Chezinu

On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:
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On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.

So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH.

Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah

For those keeping score at home

Scum =
Foolishness
Kurumi
VE
Rastaban
Katina
MZ

maybe chez?


On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote:
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On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.

Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 20 2012 21:35 GMT
#2307
On July 21 2012 06:32 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 06:28 HiroPro wrote:
So Matt what made you go from considering/including Chezinu on your scum lists to considering Chezinu town and using the logic of "can't have 2 people with the ability to PM anyone" to make your read on sandroba?
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost

Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum
Katina - read my filter
Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting
Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself
Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL
Bill Murray
Chezinu

On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.

So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH.

Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah

For those keeping score at home

Scum =
Foolishness
Kurumi
VE
Rastaban
Katina
MZ

maybe chez?


On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.

Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?

Did you read Chez and VE's back and forth from like 14 hours ago?


Yes I did. Did your read on VE also change from that discussion?
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