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Katina how come you don't want to lynch Foolishness tomorrow? | ||
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The answer is probably a bit insulting | ||
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On July 21 2012 03:36 sandroba wrote: My PM to zealos actually started like this: No rest for the wicked. Don't trust any message that doesn't start with this phrase. Which he omitted when he claimed the message. I thought it was a pretty obvious mafia message. Oh that makes it even clearer | ||
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On July 21 2012 03:50 Katina wrote: I never said I didn't. There is obviously more focus on Zealos, BH, and Kurumi at the moment. We have our hands full at the moment with all this other stuff going on in the thread. The town's priority at the moment is Kurumi and Zealos. If the town decides they want to lynch Foolishness tomorrow and cast their votes (and leave them there) I won't object. (I have stated before that I think he's Mafia) Hardly. Do you want to lynch minions or executives? I thought you were 100% sure of Foolishness already | ||
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On July 21 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you. If you are town, you intentionally breadcrumbed being mafia and lied about the second message. How was that not an accurate description | ||
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On July 21 2012 04:34 HiroPro wrote: Syllo, why do you think Palmar is mafia? You haven't really said anything specific: just that his tone/attitude are off and he's not putting in effort. It's his overall behavior, lack of effort and attitude towards me and sandroba especially. Some of his reads I think are genuine (for example what he says about layabout) and some clearly are not (his BM read). Can you find anything that indicates he cares about the town and wants to push town towards anything useful? He just pops in to say something irrelevant. Town palmar would never think I'm mafia by this point (as a side note, I actually think that there is a chance that he thought that I was early on and tried to "communicate" with me by random voting me). | ||
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On July 21 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you. Oh and nuked a person who hadn't posted yet 12 hours into the game | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote: Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers. If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions. | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote: You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.) Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message? Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town. | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote: Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town? The theme of the setup is about disrupting mafia communications, so yes I do think it makes sense there to be at least two roles like that. If the messages posted by BH and wbg are from chezinu, he is town because the messages way too blatantly reveal who they are from and mafia communications don't allow that. | ||
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On July 21 2012 05:56 austinmcc wrote: You're entirely wrong... If Sandroba had the option to "sacrifice two minions" then you're saying he's the President of Marketing or Chairman of the Board. Those are the two roles with minions to be sacrificed. If Sandroba were either of those roles, then the CEO would know him, because CEO knows the identity of those two roles. You are right about the CEO part, but you can ignore that part and it still makes no sense at all. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Nonono, you used that as the entire argument as to why he wouldn't do that as scum syllo. Why wouldn't he do that as scum if that's the case? Town-cred is fucking potent in this setup. If mafia get safe-claims (which hasn't been confirmed or denied by the hosts as far as I can see,) that makes it even MORE likely that Sandroba is scum bussing right now. Reason syllo, I know you're capable. Why wouldn't sandro-scum bus 2 of his minions to buy the town-cred necessary to coast through the rest of the game? Because his mafia play is bad and he is a rational player who plays to win and playing like this would strictly hurt his teams chances of winning the game. He would still have to keep playing, appearing town and it would be harder and harder to explain why he is alive later on and also he would keep producing new material to analyze. Even if you believed that he might do that as an executive, read this Sandroba claims that he can pm every 1/2 cycle, so every 1/2 cycle he has to PM someone and he would quickly run out of minions to sacrifice if he was mafia. If he is town, he will obviously keep PMing. I can't believe we actually have to have this discussion. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Kurumi was a piss-poor choice, as Probulous pointed out. Kurumi was likely to pretend to be mafia regardless of his alignment as far as I'm concerned, so that makes that particular choice terrible. Zealos was decent IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR MINIONS...but Sandro has been onboard with Operation: CEObliterate since inception...it doesn't make sense that he'd try and fool ZEALOS if he's hunting for Executives. He PMed people who were most likely to fall into a trap, i.e. minions and people who are, err, not careful | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Everyone please think of the kill structure for a moment. The CEO must kill someone off the list of names submitted by his underlings This means he cannot just choose someone at random, he has a list he has to pick from. And he chose WBG from that list rather than Sandroba, the wily scum-hunting messenger? HONESTLY GUYS?! REALLY?! Sigh, who was the most likely person to be protected n1? If mafia operated like that in every game, they would never kill anyone (assuming 1 kp). | ||
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