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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 10:08 GMT
#2126
I've read it and I agree with parts of it, but overall I think wbg was killed because there was no suspicion on him, he was active and he was a safe target to hit in the sense it wasn't likely that he would be protected. It's quite possible that his reads were also good for the most part, but I don't think layabout/marvel are mafia, especially marvel.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 10:10 GMT
#2127
And safe in the sense that he was very likely town
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 18:34 GMT
#2224
Stop arguing with mafia, in particular Foolishness.

Katina how come you don't want to lynch Foolishness tomorrow?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 18:36 GMT
#2227
On July 21 2012 03:36 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 03:09 Mattchew wrote:
Sandroba, what was your reasoning behind picking Zealos?


The answer is probably a bit insulting
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 18:37 GMT
#2229
On July 21 2012 03:36 sandroba wrote:
My PM to zealos actually started like this: No rest for the wicked. Don't trust any message that doesn't start with this phrase.
Which he omitted when he claimed the message. I thought it was a pretty obvious mafia message.

Oh that makes it even clearer
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 19:04 GMT
#2238
On July 21 2012 03:50 Katina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 03:34 syllogism wrote:
Stop arguing with mafia, in particular Foolishness.

Katina how come you don't want to lynch Foolishness tomorrow?


I never said I didn't. There is obviously more focus on Zealos, BH, and Kurumi at the moment. We have our hands full at the moment with all this other stuff going on in the thread. The town's priority at the moment is Kurumi and Zealos. If the town decides they want to lynch Foolishness tomorrow and cast their votes (and leave them there) I won't object. (I have stated before that I think he's Mafia)

Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 03:36 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 21 2012 03:34 syllogism wrote:
Stop arguing with mafia, in particular Foolishness.

Katina how come you don't want to lynch Foolishness tomorrow?


Because she's mafia with him.


Hardly.

Do you want to lynch minions or executives? I thought you were 100% sure of Foolishness already
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 19:26 GMT
#2241
I'd rather lynch confirmed mafia who aren't necessarily minions, such as Palmar or Foolishness. Even today there is a small chance kurumi is a trolling,lying, against win-con playing townie while there is no chance whatsoever that foolishness or palmar are town.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 19:34 GMT
#2243
On July 21 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 04:26 syllogism wrote:
I'd rather lynch confirmed mafia who aren't necessarily minions, such as Palmar or Foolishness. Even today there is a small chance kurumi is a trolling,lying, against win-con playing townie while there is no chance whatsoever that foolishness or palmar are town.

If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you.

If you are town, you intentionally breadcrumbed being mafia and lied about the second message. How was that not an accurate description
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 19:38 GMT
#2245
On July 21 2012 04:34 HiroPro wrote:
Syllo, why do you think Palmar is mafia? You haven't really said anything specific: just that his tone/attitude are off and he's not putting in effort.

It's his overall behavior, lack of effort and attitude towards me and sandroba especially. Some of his reads I think are genuine (for example what he says about layabout) and some clearly are not (his BM read). Can you find anything that indicates he cares about the town and wants to push town towards anything useful? He just pops in to say something irrelevant. Town palmar would never think I'm mafia by this point (as a side note, I actually think that there is a chance that he thought that I was early on and tried to "communicate" with me by random voting me).
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 19:40 GMT
#2246
On July 21 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 04:26 syllogism wrote:
I'd rather lynch confirmed mafia who aren't necessarily minions, such as Palmar or Foolishness. Even today there is a small chance kurumi is a trolling,lying, against win-con playing townie while there is no chance whatsoever that foolishness or palmar are town.

If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you.

Oh and nuked a person who hadn't posted yet 12 hours into the game
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 20:40 GMT
#2261
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 20:49 GMT
#2269
On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message?

Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 20:52 GMT
#2270
On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.

Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?

The theme of the setup is about disrupting mafia communications, so yes I do think it makes sense there to be at least two roles like that. If the messages posted by BH and wbg are from chezinu, he is town because the messages way too blatantly reveal who they are from and mafia communications don't allow that.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 20:58 GMT
#2275
On July 21 2012 05:56 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:49 syllogism wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message?

Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town.
You're entirely wrong...

If Sandroba had the option to "sacrifice two minions" then you're saying he's the President of Marketing or Chairman of the Board. Those are the two roles with minions to be sacrificed.

If Sandroba were either of those roles, then the CEO would know him, because CEO knows the identity of those two roles.

You are right about the CEO part, but you can ignore that part and it still makes no sense at all.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 21:05 GMT
#2278
Sandroba claims that he can pm every 1/2 cycle, so every 1/2 cycle he has to PM someone and he would quickly run out of minions to sacrifice if he was mafia. If he is town, he will obviously keep PMing. I can't believe we actually have to have this discussion.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 21:08 GMT
#2282
Austinmcc I'm not going to waste time talking to you. You are either mafia or someone who can't be reasoned with.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 21:13 GMT
#2288
On July 21 2012 06:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:58 syllogism wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:56 austinmcc wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:49 syllogism wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:45 Kurumi wrote:
You are getting this all wrong syllogism. If I flip mafia (which I won't) then sandroba's actions are nullified. Then you need to back your actual reads with analysis. When I flip Town, then it becomes transparent that sandroba's Town(there is a chance he's a minion with a wonky power, but... that'd hurt my head.)
Sandie, I've never asked: Why did you pick me to send this message?

Sandroba would never sacrifice two minions (remember, Zealos also confirmed being messaged by him) to earn himself some town cred when the most likely result of that town cred would be getting shot by mafia ceo n1. Even if we knew nothing else, that is enough to consider him pretty much confirmed town.
You're entirely wrong...

If Sandroba had the option to "sacrifice two minions" then you're saying he's the President of Marketing or Chairman of the Board. Those are the two roles with minions to be sacrificed.

If Sandroba were either of those roles, then the CEO would know him, because CEO knows the identity of those two roles.

You are right about the CEO part, but you can ignore that part and it still makes no sense at all.


Nonono, you used that as the entire argument as to why he wouldn't do that as scum syllo. Why wouldn't he do that as scum if that's the case? Town-cred is fucking potent in this setup.

If mafia get safe-claims (which hasn't been confirmed or denied by the hosts as far as I can see,) that makes it even MORE likely that Sandroba is scum bussing right now.

Reason syllo, I know you're capable. Why wouldn't sandro-scum bus 2 of his minions to buy the town-cred necessary to coast through the rest of the game?

Because his mafia play is bad and he is a rational player who plays to win and playing like this would strictly hurt his teams chances of winning the game. He would still have to keep playing, appearing town and it would be harder and harder to explain why he is alive later on and also he would keep producing new material to analyze. Even if you believed that he might do that as an executive, read this

Sandroba claims that he can pm every 1/2 cycle, so every 1/2 cycle he has to PM someone and he would quickly run out of minions to sacrifice if he was mafia. If he is town, he will obviously keep PMing. I can't believe we actually have to have this discussion.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 21:17 GMT
#2293
On July 21 2012 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kurumi was a piss-poor choice, as Probulous pointed out. Kurumi was likely to pretend to be mafia regardless of his alignment as far as I'm concerned, so that makes that particular choice terrible.

Zealos was decent IF HE WAS LOOKING FOR MINIONS...but Sandro has been onboard with Operation: CEObliterate since inception...it doesn't make sense that he'd try and fool ZEALOS if he's hunting for Executives.

He PMed people who were most likely to fall into a trap, i.e. minions and people who are, err, not careful
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 21:31 GMT
#2302
On July 21 2012 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Everyone please think of the kill structure for a moment.

The CEO must kill someone off the list of names submitted by his underlings

This means he cannot just choose someone at random, he has a list he has to pick from.

And he chose WBG from that list rather than Sandroba, the wily scum-hunting messenger? HONESTLY GUYS?! REALLY?!

Sigh, who was the most likely person to be protected n1? If mafia operated like that in every game, they would never kill anyone (assuming 1 kp).
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 20 2012 21:37 GMT
#2310
Yes I think that's quite possible and killing wbg is the much safer option. The amount of effort you are spending discrediting an obvious townie is making me reconsider your alignment.
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