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On July 17 2012 01:55 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 01:54 HiroPro wrote:On July 17 2012 01:52 marvellosity wrote:
It looks more to me like HiroPro is going gung-ho on the tails of the experienced players and leaping in positively to look good. You can call it whatever you want. But I see a case that I think is good. what exactly is your case about? What do you think of MZ?
It's not my case -_-
But BH voted strangely in his switch from Chezinu to MZ (the position that he took on Chezinu was pretty much a pressure to get him to change his style yet when MZ did something very similar, BH considers it scummy (yes I see the FoS without calling scum thing, I don't consider it very strong at all: I don't think anyone is arguing that Chezinu is scum - more that his playstyle is good for scum and bad for town)). He ignored Probulous for an illogical reason. And the way in which he's posting makes it seem as if he's coming up with reasons for his actions after he actually does them.
I don't have a strong read on MZ. He seems to be sincere in his dislike of the way Chezinu/q-bert are playing but it's a position that is fairly easy for scum to take too.
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On July 17 2012 01:56 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 01:54 HiroPro wrote:On July 17 2012 01:52 marvellosity wrote:
It looks more to me like HiroPro is going gung-ho on the tails of the experienced players and leaping in positively to look good. You can call it whatever you want. But I see a case that I think is good. You see a case you think is good, and you voted. This is not something syllo did. Are you being intentionally obtuse, or is this actually what you think?
syllo hasn't been in the thread since you made your response. I don't consider it suspicious that he withheld his vote when I myself did not vote until I saw the response that you made.
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Katina, could you point me to something that you feel is Palmar's "usual" town play?
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On July 17 2012 03:17 Katina wrote:
@ Mattchew
What are you talking about? You are the one making absolutely no sense. I know I'm an easy target to get mislynched but that's not going to happen today. You think that scummy people are town and people that aren't that scummy you are pushing for to get lynched. Your points against me are based off of nothing except the fact that your reads are different than mine. I'm trying to find scum and you just made your way onto my Mafia list with Palmar. You come out of nowhere and immediately jump all over one of my posts then nit pick at my response to you. The reasoning for your suspicions are bad and have close to nothing to back any of it up with. Most of what you say you just pulled out of thin air. You are making a sad attempt to do what WBG does in attempts to try and get me lynched.
Doesn't wbg usually try to lynch you when you actually are scum....
I'll wait for your examples on Palmar - LIV told me pretty much nothing.
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On July 17 2012 06:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:28 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 06:27 marvellosity wrote:On July 17 2012 06:26 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote:
wbg is like confirmed town so whatever Like confirmed town... he did nothing. But okay, people will let you pass. For bullshit reasons like trapping a townie. Na he said he was town in bolded black instead of bolded green like he has been doing What the fuck? You were complaining I TROLLED in the last game and you're doing the same exact thing. Inconsistent much? How is that trolling? If he was mafia I don't see him coming into the game and guessing that town wasn't in green in the role PM but was in regular text.
Why do you play this game if you want to do shit like this.
I don't see any reason for a townie to listen to someone they think is third party.
##Unvote Blazinghand
##Vote Kurumi
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On July 17 2012 06:35 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:33 HiroPro wrote:On July 17 2012 06:31 marvellosity wrote:On July 17 2012 06:28 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 06:27 marvellosity wrote:On July 17 2012 06:26 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote:
wbg is like confirmed town so whatever Like confirmed town... he did nothing. But okay, people will let you pass. For bullshit reasons like trapping a townie. Na he said he was town in bolded black instead of bolded green like he has been doing What the fuck? You were complaining I TROLLED in the last game and you're doing the same exact thing. Inconsistent much? How is that trolling? If he was mafia I don't see him coming into the game and guessing that town wasn't in green in the role PM but was in regular text. Why do you play this game if you want to do shit like this.
I don't see any reason for a townie to listen to someone they think is third party. ##Unvote Blazinghand
##Vote Kurumi I thought about it and worst thing that could've happened to me would be a vigilante/bomber. I felt that following it wouldn't be that bad. Then a quick scan revealed that I was indeed right and it is someone who is NOT Mafia (lack of anyone else doing this)
I think the more plausible explanation is that you thought it was a message from your director.
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On July 17 2012 06:41 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:39 HiroPro wrote:On July 17 2012 06:35 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 06:33 HiroPro wrote:On July 17 2012 06:31 marvellosity wrote:On July 17 2012 06:28 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 06:27 marvellosity wrote:On July 17 2012 06:26 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote:
wbg is like confirmed town so whatever Like confirmed town... he did nothing. But okay, people will let you pass. For bullshit reasons like trapping a townie. Na he said he was town in bolded black instead of bolded green like he has been doing What the fuck? You were complaining I TROLLED in the last game and you're doing the same exact thing. Inconsistent much? How is that trolling? If he was mafia I don't see him coming into the game and guessing that town wasn't in green in the role PM but was in regular text. Why do you play this game if you want to do shit like this.
I don't see any reason for a townie to listen to someone they think is third party. ##Unvote Blazinghand
##Vote Kurumi I thought about it and worst thing that could've happened to me would be a vigilante/bomber. I felt that following it wouldn't be that bad. Then a quick scan revealed that I was indeed right and it is someone who is NOT Mafia (lack of anyone else doing this) I think the more plausible explanation is that you thought it was a message from your director. If it was someone else would be using those words, right? At least two people. I am the only one. Think about it.
No I don't believe this. The directors can only "send orders to one minion every half cycle."
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On July 17 2012 06:45 supersoft wrote:
did i skip something or might sandroba still be scum hardcorebussing his minion?
It's possible. But Kurumi's actions don't make sense from a town perspective (and this is from his own words, not just what sandroba has said). So we lynch him first and then think about sandroba.
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syllo, do you still think BH is scum?
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##Unvote
##Vote Blazinghand
##Nuke Blazinghand
I wonder...
On July 17 2012 09:19 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 19:09 syllogism wrote: My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations. Why now? Well because right before that I wrote this Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 19:03 Probulous wrote:
...@Syllo your input would be great too! He clearly only responded to me because I prodded him. This gives me the impression that he either didn't read my post beforehand, or he didn't think it was a big deal until someone prodded him. I mean why ignore me for so long if you think I am mafia based on my second post? Surely if you are town you want people to lynch the people you think are scum but he only mentions his target when his target asks him for his thoughts? Then when Foolishness picks up on this he responds with Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:46 syllogism wrote:
Foolishness you are again distorting my posts when you say I didn't "elaborate" why I thought probulous should be lynched based on his post; I explained quite clearly in the very post why his post was suspicious. What do you think about about the post? Why do you think that, if I'm mafia, I wouldn't vote for probulous? You didn't elaborate at all, even when I asked you too. I mean yes, I could be mafia and so you could just ignore me. however, it is likely I am not the only one who thought you case needed more work. In fact the distinct lack of vote from you and no real push from anyone else would suggest that it is not a strong case. So if you wanted me dead you would need to elaborate.
I like this. I'm fine with lynching syllo if we can't get BH.
On July 17 2012 07:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:+ Show Spoiler +lol sandroba that was beautiful. ##Vote: KurumiSo let's talk about tomorrow. My assumptions are that Chez will continue trolling and that Palmar will continue to be worthless but let's broaden our horizons. Blazinghand and rastaban spring to mind, BH has been discussed a fair bit but I'll shed some light on rastaban. Some of his greatest his include posts like this: On July 16 2012 23:32 rastaban wrote:Caught up now, thoughts so far: First off the random vote is a bad idea, normally the reason it is used is to eliminate mafia influence, but guess what the mafia don't know who each other are so this lynch will be without their influence anyway. We have a golden opportunity to have a lynch today with mafia having to base their judgments on reads, and make hard choices while not able to communicate. Fellow employees do not squander this opportunity! This leads to my second point, Lynching scum doesn't put someone in the clear, especially this early in the game. They don't know who each other is so they can lynch themselves, so look for sound reasoning not just who they voted for. @ HiroPro Third yes mafia only has 1 KP see: Show nested quote +Extra Information:
The mafia kill process goes like this:
Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline. Fourth, While I think a Policy lynch on claiming blues is bad, I do think you bring up a very valid point. As you mention 1 for 1 may not be a bad trade for them so I think we should certainly be extra wary of any claimants and possibly lynch the claimant if it seems fishy, but I think a Policy is going a bit too far. OK so thats my setup review / plans post, I am now working on locating scum so I will follow up in a bit with my thoughts on who to lynch. This: On July 17 2012 00:15 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 00:08 Kurumi wrote:On July 17 2012 00:06 HiroPro wrote:That's why I want the random lynch to be right before the half-cycle  Cycle is day-night. Half cycle is either day or night. They probably can communicate right now. Mind you, that's only 3 messages. CEO-High Rank-Minion and High Rank-Minion. And they get only 1 shot to do so, so they will need to wait before sending it out. and it sounds like names are restricted in someway as well. Say we start to lynch a minion, then only 1 other person knows he is mafia (the high rank) at most he can probably say don't let this lynch go through. and it gets sent to the other 2 minions, but only if he hadn't said anything before that. or he won't even be able to say that. They also need to wait to hear from the leader or they can't forward on his message. This means more confusion as they have to wait later to try and save someone. This is why this lynch is so unique and a great shot for us to lynch scum. (full disclosure, I forgot they could send one message now though, which is why I said they would have no impact in my previous post) And this: On July 17 2012 05:18 rastaban wrote:
I like the case on BH better than the on Mz right. I feel GGQ is right in his assessment that mafia will use the lack of ties to make them more bold in their case rather than second guessing. Look at my play as Serial Killer, I decided to try and play as pro town as possible, I ended up going overboard and tunneling risk.nuke in my effort. I feel like MZ's caution is the sign of town who wants to get things right rather than scum who wants to get the day over with. Think about it we still have more than 24 hours of discussion to go.
As others have also pointed out, he is also trying too hard to find reasons for his votes, it makes them seem fake.
##vote blazinghand What traits to these posts share? They're extremely wishy-washy, there's a lot of setup speculation, and his current vote was part of a bandwagon where he was merely parroting other's opinions. I'll continue to keep my eye on my other little fishes but they've been well discussed unlike rastaban who has been skirting the radar. Thoughts? (people who read the thread only please).
I don't really find your case on Rastaban very strong, Meapak. His posting doesn't really seem wishy-washy to me (he seems to express his actual opinions on people ok - he makes it clear that he finds BH scummy and your behavior more townie). I would like to hear more about what he thinks personally, but I don't want to lynch him.
Katina, I'm still waiting for your meta examples on Palmar 
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Do you guys really think I have a nuke -_-
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I thought the block thing was a joke....
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I don't know lol. I thought that's what Chezinu did -_-
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Well I thought it was possible that we all unknowingly had nukes. Cause it seemed kinda odd that the person who Kurumi nuked also happened to have a nuke.
But if there are actually people who are "blockers", then that seems wrong.
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WBG, there's something I don't get about your "let syllo find scum for us". You think that layabout is scummier than syllogism. Ok, fine. But then why even bring up that whole talk (not only does it seem fairly illogical to me), but why would you even feel the need to justify yourself like that?
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Probulous, could I get your current thoughts on BH?
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On July 17 2012 22:18 marvellosity wrote:I wanna know what people think of HiroPro, coz I think he might be scum. There's some little things and then his behaviour surrounding BH. Little things: Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:42 HiroPro wrote:
No I don't believe this. The directors can only "send orders to one minion every half cycle." Quite willing to quote the OP when he's disproving someone else's point, but Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 22:10 HiroPro wrote:
The way I see it is in this setup, even if mafia has only 1 KP (and I would think 2 is more likely), 1 for 1 trades are good for them due to the sheer number of people they have. hasn't read it enough to know mafia KP is set at 1 from the OP as well.
Notice how the second quote is 8 hours before the first one. I wonder what I might have done during that time....
His behaviour with the random nuke thingy is bad as well. HiroPro is not Chezinu so I do not know why he was 'joking around' with pretending to nuke BH. I see no town motivation for this but the scum motivation of causing confusion and pulling out a town block is clear enough (lol jokes! isn't a defence).
Read my filter properly before saying dumb stuff like this.
Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 01:56 HiroPro wrote:On July 17 2012 01:53 marvellosity wrote:On July 17 2012 01:52 HiroPro wrote:
I don't really agree. I hold my vote all the time as town if I want to see a little more from that person. and yet you're already so convinced here that you placed your vote? lol! Yes. I waited for BH to respond to Probulous/sandroba and he's acted scummy in his response. Says he holds his vote all the time ---> places a vote 11 hours into Day 1 on the back of sandroba saying BH is 'artificial'. BlazingHand things: I remember reading scumQT in Magic mini where Hiro said he was basically just going to tunnel Navillus. Anyway, at first he seems unsure what's scummy about BH: Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 22:12 HiroPro wrote:
What about BH? Is it that he's basically disregarded Probulous's questioning? But once sandroba calls him scum, Hiro is all over it. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 01:38 HiroPro wrote:
I agree with sandroba: BH's posting looks very artificial.
His reasoning for ignoring Probulous doesn't make sense: Probulous's question is not invalid just because BH switched targets. And his logic for thinking that sandroba/syllo are scum is laughable.
##Vote Blazinghand Regarding the bold, here and in the posts below I bold some of the reasoning for Hiro's vote. A lot of it seems to be of the thrust that BH is illogical, without ever explaining why illogical has to mean scummy. So in the post above we have "doesn't make sense" and "laughable". Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 02:07 HiroPro wrote:On July 17 2012 01:55 supersoft wrote:On July 17 2012 01:54 HiroPro wrote:On July 17 2012 01:52 marvellosity wrote:
It looks more to me like HiroPro is going gung-ho on the tails of the experienced players and leaping in positively to look good. You can call it whatever you want. But I see a case that I think is good. what exactly is your case about? What do you think of MZ? It's not my case -_- But BH voted strangely in his switch from Chezinu to MZ (the position that he took on Chezinu was pretty much a pressure to get him to change his style yet when MZ did something very similar, BH considers it scummy (yes I see the FoS without calling scum thing, I don't consider it very strong at all: I don't think anyone is arguing that Chezinu is scum - more that his playstyle is good for scum and bad for town)). He ignored Probulous for an illogical reason. And the way in which he's posting makes it seem as if he's coming up with reasons for his actions after he actually does them.I don't have a strong read on MZ. He seems to be sincere in his dislike of the way Chezinu/q-bert are playing but it's a position that is fairly easy for scum to take too. Voting strangely... illogical reason. There's no explanation of the scum agenda. Same with "makes it seem as if he's coming up with reasons for his actions after he actually does them" - why is this a scumtell? Is it not true that mafia will give their posts more thought at the time rather than just posting blather and having to make up shit to excuse it later? Also for everything he actually stresses in this post "it's not my case". This seems like a weak sidestepping of responsibility. In short I don't like his given reasoning for going after BH, he doesn't try to demonstrate any scummy agenda. I asked wbg how you scumhunt scummily, and this is it.
Sidestepping pressure and questioning, pushing cases mostly on OMGUS, making accusations without reasoning - yes those are scummy qualities. Also I love how you take "voted strangely" and completely ignore the fact that I am talking about a contradiction between BH's own voting behavior and his reason for thinking someone else is scum. I shouldn't need to spell out everything I say for you by going "this is scummy, this is scummy".
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Notice how I'm responding to stick figure drawings in one and the last one I'm responding to a serious question....
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Mind telling who you think is scum, austin?
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On July 18 2012 03:17 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 03:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Glad people are paying attention and voting BH. Posts like this though are a problem. The last thing we want is to give scum more information on sandro's role. On July 18 2012 00:31 austinmcc wrote:
Voting sandroba until he reveals his power. Don't waste your vote like that, try and do something productive. is this poor attempt to look useful by austin a scumtell or is he just useless all the time?
Who knows? He didn't care to comment about BH/MZ when I first asked him and now he doesn't respond at all when I ask him for his scum reads.
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