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On July 28 2012 05:19 Chezinu wrote:
Austin is right, the risky nuke needs to die. AND I will like to say once again, I CATCH MAFIA BY MAKING THEM TRY TO LYNCH ME! GO GO Lynch RISKY NUKE!!!
PS: rasta the order of the PMs was wrong.
Chezinu you are incredibly unhelpful. What do you think about these revelations and which PMs did you actually send and who do you think are the remaining mafia?
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I suppose if mafia has a role that gets a list people who were targeted by night/day actions, this sort of elaborate scheme to incriminate chezinu/whoever might be possible. It seems there are too many coincidences with the intercepted messages.
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Katina/Gonzaw/Q-bert-z is still possible if they knew someone would be intercept that message due to their ability. There is something off about that message.
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Meh, my problem is that I don't see how q-bert-z isn't mafia, especially since meapak "confirmed" that the breadcrumbing parts of the pm sloosh pasted are real and him talking about a mole before we knew about it is also very suspicious. If q-bert-z is mafia, I can't quite fit the pieces together. Unless, of course, risk didn't really receive that PM, but it was some sort of mafia power.
We should lynch katina, then gonzaw and then see what he flips.
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Chezinu why are you pushing risk rather than katina or gonzaw?
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Rastaban when did chezinu receive/send messages, day 3? Did you get the order of those messages?
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Oh well, we'll just lynch katina/gonzaw and one of the flips should give us the information we need to reliably determine the last one (or in worst case two), assuming rastaban/austinmcc aren't lying and I doubt they are.
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The reason why I don't want to lynch risk first is because I think it's quite a coincidence that you snooped him on the day he received that message. Further, no broadcasting power as described in that "intercepted pm" has been used and frankly I don't think such a power exists.
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I mean lets rewind a bit. Sloosh's PM "incriminates" risk. Why didn't he censor risk's name if risk is mafia? Also, this part of the "intercepted pm" makes no sense whatsoever
So, we are on the verge of losing, so I think we may need some drastic actions. And this is all what I can think of:
I think you should use your Broadcaster ability today
Why? Because once sloosh flips scum, I don't really want people to believe his PMs were real, which heavily incriminates some of us when it actually doesn' (since he's not the real mole, you should know that by now....or he is and is very stupid and everything here is a giant coincidence, whatever).
Incriminates some of us when it actually doesn't? What? How does using this "broadcasting abilitty" help here. Also, does the part of sloosh' pm where it tells people to "Go along with what risk.nuke and Foolishness are saying" make sense, assuming risk is a mafia minion of gonzaw, not sloosh? I guess it could have been misdirection and they got unlucky in the sense that risk was the minion of the other chairman.
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Yes, I mentioned that explanation in the above post. Still, the bolded part is pretty much nonsense but I guess that doesn't mean the pm is necessarily fake. Still, no broadcasting ability has been used and it would be quite a useless ability. If there are two town aligned message intercepting roles, I think mafia has to have some sort of ability that can combat that and fake messages make more sense.
We lynch katina/gonzaw first.
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On July 28 2012 06:37 austinmcc wrote:
Chez, do you think there are 3 town messengers SOLELY because of that WBG message? Or do you have some other knowledge that there are actually 3 town-aligned messengers?
Clearly there is a mafia aligned messenger role if chezinu got that "incriminating" PM from a mystery person AFTER he had sent his own pm to katina.
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On July 28 2012 06:45 HiroPro wrote:
I don't really want people to believe his PMs were real, which heavily incriminates some of us when it actually doesn' (since he's not the real mole, you should know that by now....or he is and is very stupid and everything here is a giant coincidence, whatever).[/QUOTE]
To be honest, that sounds exactly like gonzaw lol[/QUOTE]
The fact it's so blatantly gonzaw (and it's too hard to fake) is the one thing that makes me doubt my "it's a fake message" theory.
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On July 28 2012 06:55 rastaban wrote:
I mean we know Risk either got or sent that PM so it is 100% scum unless Austin is lying. The message is apparently very Gonzaw, so that makes him 95% scum. But since him being scum is predicated on risk being scum, I like risk just a tad better.
Q-bert-Z should be our last go to right now as it doesn't confirm Austin's version.
No we don't know that if there is a mafia role that can make it appear someone got a message they actually didn't, which is why I would rather lynch katina/gonzaw first. If katina is a minion as it appears, her role may provide some information.
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It's a pretty convoluted theory, but again my problem is that q-bert-z also seems mafia.
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On July 28 2012 07:00 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 06:56 syllogism wrote:On July 28 2012 06:55 rastaban wrote:
I mean we know Risk either got or sent that PM so it is 100% scum unless Austin is lying. The message is apparently very Gonzaw, so that makes him 95% scum. But since him being scum is predicated on risk being scum, I like risk just a tad better.
Q-bert-Z should be our last go to right now as it doesn't confirm Austin's version. No we don't know that if there is a mafia role that can make it appear someone got a message they actually didn't, which is why I would rather lynch katina/gonzaw first. If katina is a minion as it appears, her role may provide some information. I see, so you think mafia might have sent that to risk as the messenger? then who messaged Chezinu? do you they have 2 messengers?
I don't know the timing of these messages and the problem with my theory is that pretty much also requires a role that gets information about who is being targeted by day actions so they know where to send the message. There is a reason to believe that such a role exists if we believe mafia messenger sent that second message to chezinu, because there is no reason to send that "incriminating" message unless mafia knew the messages would get intercepted.
Could mafia really have a messenger role, a role that can send "fake" messages (it's possible that it's not actually fake and risk hasn't been around yet to read it) and a role that can see who are being targeted by day/night actions. I suppose one role could have multiple powers.
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No, katina is clearly mafia due to not posting that message she got earlier and because to "incriminate" chezinu mafia had to know the content of the message chezinu sent to her
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On July 28 2012 07:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2012 07:06 syllogism wrote:
No, katina is clearly mafia due to not posting that message she got earlier and because to "incriminate" chezinu mafia had to know the content of the message chezinu sent to her All the offending message says is "I'm lonely, figure it out" or something right? Why would that require knowledge of what Chez sent to Katina?
Because in the message chezinu sent to katina he pretends to be foolishness, which is a clever way of answering the cryptic "I'm lonely, figure it out" (she is lonely because foolishness is dead).
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Well whatever, I'm done speculating and explaining. I could be wrong or right, but we can just ignore the messages for now and lynch katina/gonzaw first. We have enough lynches to go through all the parties involved.
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Q-bert-z can't be a messenger because BM controlled his vote at one point and says he didn't have a day power
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Sigh austinmcc, I can't believe I'm still forced to argue about this
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