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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 21 2012 00:20 GMT
#2401
On July 21 2012 09:18 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
I like grapes. Do you want to buy a kitty?

I have no grapes but I do have silverware. Is the kitty soft?

:p


Probulous...my friend.

You're my friend aren't you? Please take this small token of friendship. It is but a trifle, but it was mine and now it is yours.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 21 2012 00:20 GMT
#2402
The CEO will most likely choose from two suggested hits. The suggested hit by the chairman of the board or the chairman of marketing. If you are on the good side of both of these, you want have to suffer the chance of getting killed. If both the chairman of marketing and chairman of the board choose the same person.. then that person is going to die..
lol, clueless in The Prism!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 21 2012 00:23 GMT
#2403
The CEO likely doesn't know who picked what Chez. He probably gets a list and is made to choose one from the list, as it says in (under) the OP.

I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 21 2012 00:23 GMT
#2404
On July 21 2012 09:20 sandroba wrote:
I propose people that like to play mafia in intelligent, logical games join me in my new win condition. I don't care if you are mafia or not, you are welcome to join. We must eliminate all terrible irrational players from this game.

Sign me up! the bandwagon on kurumi was stupid! I asked people repeated why they are voting for him. I even stated that the best move for mafia would be not to kill him. looks like we got a good mafia CEO. go go foolishness? who else is smart but distant? cause I can't accuse people too close to me or I might die... So, Let's end the irrationality!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 21 2012 00:24 GMT
#2405
On July 21 2012 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
The CEO likely doesn't know who picked what Chez. He probably gets a list and is made to choose one from the list, as it says in (under) the OP.

I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow.

oh wow! you were thinking the fool too!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Probulous
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3894 Posts
July 21 2012 00:24 GMT
#2406
On July 21 2012 09:20 Chezinu wrote:
The CEO will most likely choose from two suggested hits. The suggested hit by the chairman of the board or the chairman of marketing. If you are on the good side of both of these, you want have to suffer the chance of getting killed. If both the chairman of marketing and chairman of the board choose the same person.. then that person is going to die..

Um does the CEO know who suggests what?

Fro my reading he just would just get a compiled list. Unless there is a secret communication in thread for scum to list who their target is...
"Dude has some really interesting midgame switches that I wouldn't have expected. "I violated your house" into "HIHO THE DAIRY OH!" really threw me. You don't usually expect children's poetry harass as a follow up " - AmericanUmlaut
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 21 2012 00:25 GMT
#2407
Congratulations my minions, soon yes soon. The blues will die... and the brown will emerge!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 21 2012 00:26 GMT
#2408
On July 21 2012 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
The CEO likely doesn't know who picked what Chez. He probably gets a list and is made to choose one from the list, as it says in (under) the OP.

I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow.

So you think Blazinghand is town then?
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 21 2012 00:26 GMT
#2409
THE GUILTY:

1) VisceraEyes http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=117978

2) Blazinghand http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=133498

3) austinmcc http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=119148

4) GGQ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=38664

5) Q-bert-Z http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=223024

6) Bill Murray http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=54241

Here are the true scum of this game and the evidence against them. Join me in my crusade!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 21 2012 00:28 GMT
#2410
On July 21 2012 09:26 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
The CEO likely doesn't know who picked what Chez. He probably gets a list and is made to choose one from the list, as it says in (under) the OP.

I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow.

So you think Blazinghand is town then?


No I think Blazinghand is less likely to flip Executive than you.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 21 2012 00:31 GMT
#2411
(if you are mafia and are in that list please tell me so I can remove your name. if your name is foolishness or palmar and you are town please tell me so i can add you to the list.)
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 21 2012 00:32 GMT
#2412
K, well I guess I should claim then yeah? Yeah? Because I'm #1 offender, huh?

Think that's good for town? Or would I be playing too IRRATIONALLY AND STUPIDLY if I did something like that?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 21 2012 00:33 GMT
#2413
(that list is not in any particular order of terribleness. no need to get jealous if you got a low spot)
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 21 2012 00:34 GMT
#2414
Fuck this.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 21 2012 00:35 GMT
#2415
For all intents and purposes sandroba is town.

This game requires half of the thread to agree on a lynch. Kurumi is near confirmed scum.
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 21 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 04:26 syllogism wrote:
I'd rather lynch confirmed mafia who aren't necessarily minions, such as Palmar or Foolishness. Even today there is a small chance kurumi is a trolling,lying, against win-con playing townie while there is no chance whatsoever that foolishness or palmar are town.

If you wanted to make me angry, consider yourself successful. Fuck you.

he was angry that syllogism proposed that he could do this as town


And yet there are 5 votes not on Kurumi! We are going to need focus more and we are going to need to stop joking around with votes and thread actions.

Palmar and Foolishness are calling syllogism mafia. Syllogism in turn is calling both Palmar and Foolishness mafia. Many of you insist on speculating that the host will have made the CEO one of these players (or sandroba or Meapak). It is always dangerous to make decisions based upon out-guessing the host. But if we are aiming to kill the CEO we should plac e our attention on those 3 players.

If we are looking for the person most likely to flip scum tomorrow we need look no further tahn our good friend zealos. I defended him initially but his actions since then show that he is either a mafia or a townie that isn't playing.

READ:
On July 19 2012 06:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [snip] +
Okay, several things:

I can confirm that there is at least one messaging power that can be used on townies. I received this after the daypost:

Congratulations! You tripped down some stairs and hit your head. When you woke up, you realized that you were actually a member of the House Chezinu!

That's right! You are now part of the third party, House Chezinu! The first order of business is to get out there and make it known to the world! You'll need some more members to get this really rolling, so spread the word and get recruiting! Once a cycle, you may recruit someone. Simply type "##Recruit: <name> in the thread, and you will be able to recruit a new member! You may use this ability once per day! (Once per cycle, at night) However, you may only have a total of three members besides yourself.

You're part of House Chezinu, so you're above win conditions. (You're already part of House Chezinu, what more do you need to win?) But maybe you can unite the workers in a glorious revolution!

P.S., There's no House Chezinu like a house with Chezinu. Just sayin.


And I confirmed with the host that this is a player-sent message.

Secondly we have two near-confirmed scum in Kurumi and Zealos. If you're a vig or you have any sort of night KP it might be a good idea to kill them given that tomorrow will likely be a wash if they're alive.

Before sandroba revealed that he had messaged zealos WBG considered zealos to be as likely scum as Kurumi. He did not explain his reasons explicitly but he expressed this opinion and we would be wise not to forget it.

It's useful to have a meta assessment so:
On July 19 2012 10:19 HiroPro wrote:
Why would a townie essentially make up a reason. Bear in mind that Zealos has show that he has no desire to come up with good reasons when scum (in MTG when I was mafia teammates with him, he argued that he had zero scum reads d1 and so he just voted for his least townie person. he then proceeded to lurk until halfway through night 1 and then appeared with a case on zelblade who was basically just a lurker based entirely on evidence that would have been available to him when he made his d1 vote.)


What was the most sgnificant event during day1?
+ Show Spoiler [Answer] +
The great sandroaba-Kurumi debacle of course! This one event outed Kurumi as scum. Now town should take a scum lynch day1 100% of the time. From that point onwards the only thing the thread needed to do was vote kurumi and then ask whether it was a a bus or not. It should have removed all other candidates for the lynch and discussion the thread should have moved onto the next day's lynch. RoL's nuke was the only good reason to move on from this issue and it was the reason that kurumi was not lynched.

Everyone should have paid their attention to that and thought about the various possibilities since for a time that event would have decided that days lynch and is deciding today lynch. It was your responsibility as town.

But are we to believe that until this morning zealos was unaware of the whole thing?

Zealos placed his first vote against austinmcc

On July 18 2012 07:40 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 06:38 risk.nuke wrote:
On July 18 2012 06:21 marvellosity wrote:
for tonight, 6h 40 mins

Okey good thanks, I just finnished reading up on the thread and I'd say I did better then skimming but not really a thorough readthrough either. Right now I'm feeling of a mind to join in on the austin wagon. It seems nice there.

Unfortunatly I'm going to have to go with this. Having only recently replaced in and having been out all day today, I'm just gonna vote for the person that seems the most scummy recently.

I don't like the idea of a BH lynch right now. I don't think there is enough against him, and if he does flip town we've lost a good vet.

##Vote: austinmcc

He says nothing about austinmcc specifically and yet he feels that the only thing needed to justify his vote was thread momentum. At that time a few players were calling austinmcc scummy but there was nothing substantial said at all and he had very few votes. Zealos' vote was lazy and shows that he was trying to fit in rather than trying to get a successful lynch. It sounds a lot like the Zealos that HiroPro descibed.

On July 19 2012 05:16 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote:
Zealos, who would you like to kill other than austin? Don't say Kurumi.

And can you explain your vote for austin? What did you find scummy?

Unfortunately my vote for austin was a rush vote where I voted for who seemed to have a decent case against them. I simply didn't have time to look over the whole thread, which is regrettable. As for today, I think a good kill would be BH.

I gather it's pretty much a wagon at this point, but just to add to things:

Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:42 Kurumi wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:41 Blazinghand wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:40 Kurumi wrote:
On July 17 2012 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
You know kurumi we got like tons of time maybe if you're really a town player you can help convince these people to lynch syllo after you die

Meapak_Zipph is scum, I don't care about syllo. And why I would work for you, who the hell are you?

Are you sure? Cause Syllo looks pretty scummy to me. You should read the cases on him and make a case against him, a glorious shining case that will be reinforced by your town flip.

You are making this so easy.
I am town. You "know" I am town. Why vote on me?

._. My point is that "if you are really a town player" you should be spending your resources to help me lynch syllo. You're not doing much to convince me right now.


That is super odd to me. Clearly his logic makes no sense, and he's trying to buddy up to who he thinks will be an influential town player.

The post I made early about him also pointed his odd vote switch after the deadline, which doesn't seem town at all to me. Not to mention the massive cuffle with all the nuking and blocking (which I still don't understand at all, are nukes standard in some games?)

So he's my pick so far.

So Zealos still was not reading the thread since austinmcc did not have a decent case against him and his comment about Kurumi demonstrates a complete lack of thread knowledge.

He also picks out Blazinghand not for being scummy but for being "odd". Which is strange since there should be enuogh players for him to find something that is scummy and not simply "odd".

On July 19 2012 05:26 Zealos wrote:
I'll just go ahead and vote for BH at the start of day2 then leave you guys to it. bb,

I will simply re-post:
On July 19 2012 10:19 layabout wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [snip] +
On July 19 2012 10:08 HiroPro wrote:
Also, you still did not explain why a town Zealos would ever try to argue that BH was trying to buddy "influential townie" Kurumi.

I have a very low opinion of town Zealos and that i something i think he could do if e hadn't been reading the thread. What you said he did was not accurate and this play from Zealos reminds me very much of how he acted at the end of Bang Bang mafia 2.


Zealos said that he would vote for Blazinghand and not come back for the rest of the day. If he is town and he cares then he will come back and try to be productive there is nothing to stop him doing this as mafia but if he doesn't do it he is probably mafia and we should lynch him.


And what has he done?
Well he spent just long enough in the thread to have sandroba's message explained to him. He contributed nothing of his own and has not been productive. He is mafia.

##tomorrow we should vote zealos
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
July 21 2012 00:35 GMT
#2416
Sandro I've been nothing but helpful. If you really still believe in yourself we should be lynching Zealos tomorrow, right?
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 21 2012 00:35 GMT
#2417
I don't think VE belongs on that list because he puts effort into games and doesn't try to ruin them intentionally. We may often see things differently, but I've no problem with him
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 21 2012 00:35 GMT
#2418
On July 21 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 09:26 Foolishness wrote:
On July 21 2012 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
The CEO likely doesn't know who picked what Chez. He probably gets a list and is made to choose one from the list, as it says in (under) the OP.

I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow.

So you think Blazinghand is town then?


No I think Blazinghand is less likely to flip Executive than you.

That's the most ridiculous thing ever. Blazinghand has practically admitted he is mafia and you're just going to let him run around in hopes of hitting executives?

That's like a sane DT getting a red check and you don't kill the guy cause you think he's a miller (hilariously enough this happened in my first mafia game here...care to guess which side won?).

You can't ignore the players who have lots of good analysis against them (Blazinghand, Bill Murray, syllogism and austin and GGQ to some extent, etc) in the hopes of sniping an executive. That's just paving the way for a mafia victory; any competent person will tell you that.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
July 21 2012 00:36 GMT
#2419
I don't care what you guys do I'm pursuing my own wincon.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
July 21 2012 00:37 GMT
#2420
On July 21 2012 09:35 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 21 2012 09:26 Foolishness wrote:
On July 21 2012 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
The CEO likely doesn't know who picked what Chez. He probably gets a list and is made to choose one from the list, as it says in (under) the OP.

I'm in the "Lynch Foolishness" camp tomorrow.

So you think Blazinghand is town then?


No I think Blazinghand is less likely to flip Executive than you.

That's the most ridiculous thing ever. Blazinghand has practically admitted he is mafia and you're just going to let him run around in hopes of hitting executives?

That's like a sane DT getting a red check and you don't kill the guy cause you think he's a miller (hilariously enough this happened in my first mafia game here...care to guess which side won?).

You can't ignore the players who have lots of good analysis against them (Blazinghand, Bill Murray, syllogism and austin and GGQ to some extent, etc) in the hopes of sniping an executive. That's just paving the way for a mafia victory; any competent person will tell you that.


I've never admitted I'm mafia, I've been helping the town. Do I have a fair amount of one-liners and quips? yeah, sure. Do I also have solid cases in my filter? YES. Because I'm helping the damn town
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