On July 07 2012 00:19 Zephirdd wrote:
Also I want to hear from MsZontar, drwiggl3s, sloosh, Dangeresque77.

They all posted nothing. Sloosh, you showed a different play on movie star. The other three, I want your opinions on everything that happened so far and you find relevant; Don't stay shut without words.

I think we need to look at people's previous games. The way they acted D1, along with their resulting alignment. Unless we see a scum slip in this game today, I think that's the best way we can at least estimate who is scum.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 21:28 GMT

#221

I really don't see why so many votes are being thrown onto prplhz with such certainty. Can someone explain better why you think he's scum? I've gone through his filter a few times and it just seems like he's poking at people but hasn't done anything especially scummy.

Also he's been drawing quite a bit of focused attention to himself. For example with his vote on slOosh, and later his accusation that marv is scum. Do you think this behavior would be smart from a mafia perspective?

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 21:36 GMT

#227

On July 07 2012 06:31 Zephirdd wrote:

Show nested quote +

Don't read his filter. Read pages 7 and 8.

This is what happened.
> prplhz accuses marv of being scum without anything to back up
> People start discussing about it, prplhz doesn't say anything
> When he says something, he is complaining that people are about the create a shitstorm.("not this again...")
> A bit later, he calls marv scum again without backing it up

That's not poking and prodding for scum reading. That's downright trying to create havoc. That's scum agenda.

I guess I should ask:
If you were scum, would you post something that stupid? Draw that much attention to yourself early on? Scum start a game with an innate fear. That's why they lurk. It's why they come up with some preplanned town-looking posts or strategy. Seems like he's just being confident town, or suicidal mafia. The later being the less likely of the two possibilities in my book.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 21:39 GMT

#231

I think me and VE are saying the same thing here. I'm not for a prplhz lynch at this point.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 21:46 GMT

#238

Not to take any heat off prplhz - I still think he should post something useful. But I think a better scum read would be slOosh.

Here's my case against him:

On July 06 2012 12:28 slOosh wrote:
##Vote: drwiggl3s

His first post isn't actually very suspicious to me. People troll, random vote, etc. all the time. but what follows is what makes me think it was a plan put in place to make him seem pro-town. (rather then an actual desire to lynch me).

On July 07 2012 00:44 slOosh wrote:
Hey all.

MrZentor has correctly identified my vote as a reaction test against a less known, less experienced (objectively by post count) player.

By doing this I have achieved two objectives of mine: first is to get better reads on people via gauging the responses to my weird play and also subsequent responses to those players. Pushing to something more meaningful than trite policy lynches and giving us something to work with.

Secondly, it makes me more visible - people are keeping an eye on me. Because I'm somewhat confident in my ability to reveal my towniness, this serves to give me a greater voice in town. People pay attention to the posts of those who they think suspicious. That means people gonna read what I say and also get a better, i.e. town, read on me. Awesome.

In any case I'll be resuming my regular play.

##Unvote: MrZentor
##Vote: Sinensis

(I'll be posting more later in the day. Slept at 4am yesterday due to shenanigans and gonna go work now. Hold me accountable)

On July 07 2012 00:45 slOosh wrote:
EBWOP:

Wahaha ... I guess the sleepy hasn't wore off yet.
It should read
##Unvote: drwiggl3s
##Vote: Sinensis

His follow up posts show great reasoning, and a desire to poke people who are new and or lurking to get a reaction from them. Sure this looks like a great town post, but isn't it too great? Like he starts a mini flare up in posting where everyone's wondering why I have a vote already despite not having posted. And then after a short time he comes back with a flawless reason, thus allowing him to appear pro-town while giving him the opportunity to sit back and not have to post any more.

To me at least this seems like the most suspicious action in the thread.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 21:49 GMT

#240

EBWOP: I'm very curious what his future posts will be. Specifically what he suspects of Sinensis.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 22:12 GMT

#246

On July 07 2012 07:09 marvellosity wrote:
VE, I don't read the same towntells into it that you do.

It's actually a very cheap and easy way to look good. e.g. in LV I stressed that I would, and did, take full responsibility for the Manason mislynch.

Not sure what you're talking about here? What towntells?

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 22:13 GMT

#248

Also @VE.. "scummiest event in the thread" at this point doesn't take much. Any scum plays are so far WIFOM sort of.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 22:14 GMT

#249

Ohh gotchya.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 22:20 GMT

#253

On July 07 2012 07:15 marvellosity wrote:
Na, prplhz shitting up thread and moaning at me and VE for potentially doing so is very much not wifom.

Hmm. Ok well let's see what he and slOosh have to say in their future (hopefully soon) posts. I sort of have a feeling prplhz might go MIA on us. If that's the case are you okay with lynching a bad-town player if we can't find any mafia, marv?

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:22 GMT

#272

I think he's just waiting for a better scum read to come up. He says he expects a lot more posts to happen Saturday for example. I sort of feel the same way because D1 without anything major being said.. its sort of hard to decide who the best candidate for a lynch is.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:24 GMT

#278

Opps, sorry ninja'd.

I was talking about this post:

On July 07 2012 08:09 slOosh wrote:
? I support a prplhz lynch as of now if that is what you are asking, and will move it for the lynch should the time comes. Yet day is still less than half over and I anticipate much activity this saturday.

I also think as people who are all posting quite actively, we need to encourage those others with very few or a single post to contribute more. Especialy since none of our reads are very strong at this point.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:29 GMT

#284

On July 07 2012 08:23 marvellosity wrote:
wiggles - dangeresque, thoughts now

Looked at his filter. He makes good points on prplhz and Sinensis. A lot of the same ones we are making here and that I agree with.

He's also suspicious of you marv, which I find interesting.

He hasn't posted much lately and I'd like to hear from him more, but so far I don't see anything scummy in his posts. He's trying to scum hunt.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:30 GMT

#287

Isn't NoSmurfHere = bugs?

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:31 GMT

#288

@marv

Because he feels the same way I do about Sinensis. What do you think of dangeresque? Am I missing something and you actually get a scum vibe from his posts?

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:39 GMT

#290

You were saying he posts a lot of fluff and no real context / no actual push for a vote on someone. I feel the same way as him. There's some suspicion on a few people. But not enough to really push a vote for.

Not much happening thus not much to talk about, thus any accusation on anyone will be filled with some "fluff" depending on how hard you want to push it.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:43 GMT

#292

I don't think there's shitloads happening. That's why I said I want others to start posting (instead of stupid bickering between you and whoever - me or VE).

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:46 GMT

#295

We can accuse whoever. And read into whoevers post as much as we want. Comming up with as much reasoning as we can. Maybe even with some WIFOM thrown in there. But fact is, not enough has happened. Not enough has been said.

Sure we can make a best guess. But if we want to increase our chances of finding something significant, and maybe finding a scum to lynch, we need others to post.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:48 GMT

#298

I don't think dangeresque is being weird. I think slOosh gave good reason after his initial post and "ninja vote". I am suspicious of sinensis. MsZontar's actions don't seem out of the ordinary to me. I'd attack you to if I didn't just get out of a game with you where you were playing just like this (but were town). And yes I also think prplhz behavior is scummy.

Is any of this enough for a lynch? yes. Is any of it good enough for a sure fire mafia lynch? no. So i want others to talk.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:52 GMT

#300

Is any of this enough for a lynch? yes. Is any of it good enough for a sure fire mafia lynch? no. So i want others to talk.

I don't want to throw blame around on behalf of weak cases when I'm actually waiting to see more. I was just stating my opinions so far on what's happened D1.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:53 GMT

#303

Ya there was a reason mafia killed me too remember?

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:54 GMT

#306

Well then that tells me two things. 1 your a shitty vig. And 2 you have weak reads if the best you can do at night is shoot another town.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:55 GMT

#308

Blue i am saying there's not enough to make a strong case. there's enough to make a weak case, and it's already been made throughout the thread on those players.

drwiggl3s

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July 06 2012 23:55 GMT

#309

I guess we'll see when that game ends and we see who's scum and who's not right?

drwiggl3s

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July 07 2012 00:00 GMT

#313

I'm not going to regurgitate the thread for you Blue. Go back and read it.

Nothing to say to you marv.. well except how about you don't lynch another townie D1 like you did last game?
Less posting from you. More from others imo.

drwiggl3s

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July 07 2012 00:07 GMT

#316

On July 07 2012 09:02 marvellosity wrote:
"I" didn't lynch anyone. He got lynched because more people voted for him than anyone else.

Your first post after townie is lynched.

On July 02 2012 10:23 marvellosity wrote:
sometimes i wish i weren't so persuasive

Anyway, just saying you might benefit the town more by saying less and being a little more resistant when it comes to jumping on someone for supposedly scummy actions.