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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 08 2012 21:34 GMT
#481
Sadly Zeph that's how VE plays in practically every game, town or scum. It makes him incredibly hard to read.

Also I haven't found that middle-of-the-wagon thing to be a very effective indicator on TL.

I'm doing some rereading, I should have some thoughts before deadline unless I forget.
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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 08 2012 21:35 GMT
#482
Yea I'm in the same boat as Zeph and prplhz. I'd lynch VE tomorrow.

The idea behind finding scum in middle of wagons is that they aren't as likely to start cases as townies are, but also want to be seen blending in with town. A decent heuristic that is strengthened by the fact that VE hasn't been taking hard stances.

Wanting to lynch prplhz means nothing - it comes near end of day where switches are dangerous and unlikely, and there is no accountability (since he won't hang, you won't get the flak from a mislynch flip).

His prplhz vote doesn't make any sense either. The only post made was when prplhz blamed people for making him out himself as cop. Well from a scum perspective it doesn't really make sense to draw attention back onto yourself when everyone else has somewhat accepted your claim. And for someone so keen on perspectives how he can neglect it against prplhz yet turn around and use the same reasoning against Sinensis, the inconsisteny reveals that there is an agenda behind his posts.

MrZentor also good lynch. His involvement with the Sinensis lynch makes no sense, especially with his post when he decries town switching over to drwiggl3s. Never did he actually contribute to the lynch (other then saying "hey this post is weird", but anyone can do that) or push for it. Also has ungrounded confidence in his reads.

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 08 2012 21:38 GMT
#483
Also they fit into the heuristic of lazy / complacent scum.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 08 2012 21:41 GMT
#484
:/

This is troubling. I guess I should get to reading then huh?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Dangeresque77
Profile Joined June 2012
United States65 Posts
July 08 2012 21:45 GMT
#485
On July 09 2012 06:01 MrZentor wrote:
Sinensis, Marv, VE

Is that really your scum team ATM???
Seems unlikely

Both Marv and Ve did not bit for sinensis in the end but that's not really a strong case

Please explain your reasoning
"Sounds Dangerous." "No...Sounds Dangeresque"
Dangeresque77
Profile Joined June 2012
United States65 Posts
July 08 2012 21:53 GMT
#486
Sorry I ment "did not vote for sinensis"
"Sounds Dangerous." "No...Sounds Dangeresque"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2012 22:37 GMT
#487
Dangeresque - who do you fancy lynching tomorrow?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Dangeresque77
Profile Joined June 2012
United States65 Posts
July 08 2012 23:31 GMT
#488
Not too sure at the moment, kinda rethinking my reeds after the misslynch

But if I had to vote right now it would be sinensis
For all of the previous cases on him
And because of how much more aggressive he has gotten after day 1
"Sounds Dangerous." "No...Sounds Dangeresque"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2012 23:33 GMT
#489
How do you read me & prplhz now?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
July 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#490
On July 09 2012 08:31 Dangeresque77 wrote:
Not too sure at the moment, kinda rethinking my reeds after the misslynch

But if I had to vote right now it would be sinensis
For all of the previous cases on him
And because of how much more aggressive he has gotten after day 1


bonus question: how is getting more aggressive a scum trait exclusively?
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Dangeresque77
Profile Joined June 2012
United States65 Posts
July 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#491
I still think prplhz is a little bit scummy but not as much as before. Especially since no one had challenged his cop claim

As for you Marv. I could see you being scum but I don't really think it's likely
"Sounds Dangerous." "No...Sounds Dangeresque"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2012 23:45 GMT
#492
On July 09 2012 08:39 Dangeresque77 wrote:
I still think prplhz is a little bit scummy but not as much as before. Especially since no one had challenged his cop claim

As for you Marv. I could see you being scum but I don't really think it's likely


Last question then - I did seem to be your strongest scumread day 1. What changed?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Dangeresque77
Profile Joined June 2012
United States65 Posts
July 08 2012 23:55 GMT
#493
On July 09 2012 08:39 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 08:31 Dangeresque77 wrote:
Not too sure at the moment, kinda rethinking my reeds after the misslynch

But if I had to vote right now it would be sinensis
For all of the previous cases on him
And because of how much more aggressive he has gotten after day 1


bonus question: how is getting more aggressive a scum trait exclusively?



Well no trait is exclusively a scum trait IMO.
But in sin's case.
He tried to switch suspicion from himself to me, Ve, and sloosh for late switching

From a town view- he is trying to scum hunt and see our reactions

From mafia view- he was almost lynched so he wants to switch suspicion to someone else sense he would be an obvious target after wiggles flipped town. Blaming us on late switching would imply that he woulndt have minded getting lynched( he was our previous target after all) witch would give him more of a town view

Your views on this?
"Sounds Dangerous." "No...Sounds Dangeresque"
Dangeresque77
Profile Joined June 2012
United States65 Posts
July 08 2012 23:59 GMT
#494
On July 09 2012 08:45 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 08:39 Dangeresque77 wrote:
I still think prplhz is a little bit scummy but not as much as before. Especially since no one had challenged his cop claim

As for you Marv. I could see you being scum but I don't really think it's likely


Last question then - I did seem to
be your strongest scumread day 1. What changed?


Well early in day one I suspected prplhz more than you. That's not really saying much because it was the first 20 hours of the game. I didn't really have much to go on

I don't really think your scummy anymore mostly because looking back on your posts and your recent one I think my read was wrong and that you were acctually just trying to scum hunt
"Sounds Dangerous." "No...Sounds Dangeresque"
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 00:07 GMT
#495
thanks for answering. Regarding Sinensis, what do you think of the idea that, if he was scum and just avoided the lynch, it would be better if he didn't ruffle any feathers for a while (unlike what he did)? That's what I'm mulling over currently with him.
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Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
July 09 2012 00:17 GMT
#496
Well, in the subject of VE , he speds most of the time pocking people and voting people :O, also his vote switch is suspicious too as he just without reason or giving a SHORT reason he just switched.

On July 08 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah okay.

##Unvote
##Vote Drwiggl3s


No reason thur amiright?




VE also has a lot of crappy posts which are just deadweight for the thread, an example is the following:

On July 08 2012 07:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
slOosh is so dreamy.


One the plus side though, his aggressive behavior is a normal behavior for VE such as in Sum Of All Fears Mafia IIRC

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NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 09 2012 00:19 GMT
#497
again, sad part is that he does that all the time as town.

Still rereading but if I die tonight let it be known that I think Zontar is scum. Probably won't die though, lol
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 00:24 GMT
#498
? Why do you think Zontar is scum and not newb town, NSH?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 09 2012 00:28 GMT
#499
Zontar has slipped by mostly unnoticed. Especially in a game this small we can't allow that.

Secondly of her actual posts they're pretty neutral and her actions don't align with her words. Check this out:

On July 07 2012 01:53 MsZontar wrote:
K time I get my 2 cents in, first i disagree with you Zentor to lynch someone baised on a single not very incriminating post that might i add was made at about 3 in the morning (might explain why its a bit jumbled) doesnt seem like the wisest of actions, so yes i would like to hear from sinensis but dont think his actions as of now have been very guilty,
also I dont think Prp is guilty, yes is posts have been a bit jumbled but his overall play seems innocent to me



First it's apparent that Zontar is self-aware she hasn't been a part of the discussion (time I get my 2 cents in). The rest of the post is mostly neutral but in the favor of sinensis/prpl being town (easiest contribution for scum to make)

On July 07 2012 02:07 MsZontar wrote:
K here's what i think, Marv is scum, first if you look at all his posts there is a distinct difference in tone between the pregame and game posts. Pregame he was joking, then once the game begins his posts becum harsher... If he was acctually looking for scum i think it would be more inqusitive... he seems very quick to accuse!


Here's the accusation of marvellosity: not backed with a vote.

Instead her vote ends up on sinensis who she said she thought was town.

Doesn't matter whether you're a noob or not, you don't vote for your townreads.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2012 00:30 GMT
#500
not very guilty as of now =/= townread (esp later on)
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