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because NSH is a good player and was making sense, I guess. I doubt someone had a red read on him.
Why the fuck would you claim jailer. eve. Geez.
If we believe everything, that leaves sloosh, bluelightz, sinensis, mrzentor, VE for scum team. Well, and me, but I know i'm town so derp.
I don't think Bluelightz is scum. Reasoning is that he seems to be fitting his meta, and because he's been spending a lot of online time playing Civilization 5. I hate to use this as an argument, but I'll use it.
sloosh, sinensis, mrzentor and VE.
it's nothing new that I believe VE is scum. Someone said that the problem is that he is so hard to read because he is always like that. I say that's bullshit, because on MSMM he was much more abrasive and ready to actually scumhunt, even if doing it wrongly. Here he is quiet, timid, and his posts are terrible(like the ones linked on my previous posts).
I was going to make a case on D77, but I just noticed that a timid blue would play the way he was playing. F*ck.
##Vote VisceraEyes
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claiming jailer is nuts
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We need to finish what we started the first day. I know one of the scum, and I'm not going to let him go.
##Vote: Sinensis
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Hah, with prplhz' check this game could be over today.
##Vote VisceraEyes
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God prplhz would be helpfull ATM. But then again there are two mafia guys who can change what he would reed
It would certainly help though
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I think Zephirdd's posts about VE are making a lot of sense. I agree with him that VE is a good target today and I will be voting for him today unless new, critical, info developes about anyone else.
I have played many games with Bluelightz and I believe he is town this game and making one of the best efforts I've seen from him, I would be pretty shocked if he was mafia.
I am glad vig shot Zontar I was going to have some issues with her posting today if she were still alive.
I do not know if I still believe purplhz is cop, it's very unusual that he was not killed or at the very least role blocked, but I want to wait to see if he has something to say today.
I do not really have thoughts about anyone else at this stage.
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On July 09 2012 11:56 Sinensis wrote:
I think Zephirdd's posts about VE are making a lot of sense. I agree with him that VE is a good target today and I will be voting for him today unless new, critical, info developes about anyone else.
I have played many games with Bluelightz and I believe he is town this game and making one of the best efforts I've seen from him, I would be pretty shocked if he was mafia.
I am glad vig shot Zontar I was going to have some issues with her posting today if she were still alive.
I do not know if I still believe purplhz is cop, it's very unusual that he was not killed or at the very least role blocked, but I want to wait to see if he has something to say today.
I do not really have thoughts about anyone else at this stage.
Sinensis bro, are you fine? I hope you didn't hurt yourself after you SLIPPED SO FUCKING HARD LIKE THAT
We have no confirmation that prplhz was not roleblocked, yet you know it. scum Aberrant.
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##Vote Sinensis
cant believe you got out of this the first day
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This is going to end poorly for town.
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EWBOP I should at least try to explain. You are right, I don't know prplhz was not roleblocked, I assumed he wasn't and wanted to see if he would clarify later. That's why I haven't voted. Because there is information I'm missing. The second part of that sentence you didn't bold was pretty important to the overall message.
Sigh.
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##Vote: Sinensis
For reasons previously stated.
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Alright, voting Sinensis + a case so he can respond and not bitch about people voting him for no reason
Case
First, what I find suspicious is that he threw a bunch of stuff to make his vote look more "big" and stuff,
On July 07 2012 12:42 Sinensis wrote:
Okay, I'm caught up:
sloosh, what are you doing? You vote wiggles with no explanation, people call you out for it, you change your vote to me with no explanation at first, people call you out for it, then your explanation is that I was your first suspicion (even though you randomly voted wiggles first?) because my posting is mechanical? My posting is mechanical and that's why I'm scummy, maybe you could elaborate on that. Even though you seem to have changed your mind again to prplhz before I responded to you. Are you just jumping on the easiest target every time? What's the deal?
Prplhz shouldn't be lynched today. No way in hell. He's gotten too much negative attention from too many people, it seems likely to me mafia is pushing for the easy lynch against an aggressive player. And why wouldn't they? prplhz isn't playing as good or as friendly as he could be. This is the last time I defend him against the rest of the angry mob unless he stops with the "LOL SCUM LOL."
I am going to go with gut for my day one vote. Zephirdd's posting is the scummiest right now in my opinion. He spends a lot of his time telling other, presumably town players, how to play. Something mafia can't seem to resist doing in most of the games I play. He is stating mostly FACTS (people talking like they know something for certain are suspicious because only mafia have FACTS) and very little speculation.
As for everyone who is suspicious of me for lurking, you're right, it's suspicious, my bad. I work during the day (USEAST) and can't post till night usually. Expect my posts then, like I'm doing now. If anyone has any questions for me now is a good time I will be around.
##vote: Zephirdd
As you can see, without the bunch of stuff its very small, also when you look at his reasons, he never explains why facts are scummy, he just says that mafia tend to do it and yada yada yada
On July 08 2012 04:48 Sinensis wrote:
I could probably swing this vote back onto someone else if I switched but I'm happy to be where I'm at. I'm going to leave it on Zephirdd till the end of the day and see if people are still mad about it. I still think he's scum but I'm the only one that would think that right now, so yeah, not budging.
He's being openly hostile and not helping to consolidate the vote which might've led to a no-lynch which is terrible because we lose valuable information (but it is a plus though that he stuck to his own thoughts then sheeping and vote switching like many people did on day 1).
On July 08 2012 13:03 Sinensis wrote:
Wow I thought I was going to be thrown under the bus for sticking to my gut (as per usual), and you guys go and kill someone completely different on nothing but gut and weak meta?
Keep an eye on those that switched votes from me to wiggles in my opinion.
That's sloosh, VE, and dangeresque. I would gamble one of them is mafia.
Then he points out X,Y, and Z, there's probably scum in between, this is just bullshit because he doesnt explain if X,Y, and Z is scummy (reasonless crap).
Those are just my thoughts but feel free to add on,
and ##Vote: Sinensis
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Hey guys I checked MsZontar but I was roleblocked.
I think we have a pretty good lynch in VisceraEyes and that's what I think we should be going for today.
His early game was chaotic but that's characteristic of him and I wouldn't blame him for doing something, anything to get the game started. What you should note is that it is pretty obvious that he's doing something, anything to get the game started.
On July 06 2012 22:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
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##Unvote
##Vote: prplhz
Let's see if he wants to play now, or if he wants to continue playing like a troll.
This is the post where he votes me (first vote on me) and he very clearly says that he thinks I'm a troll. The early game phase should be somewhat over by this but alright, he wants to pressure me 'cause he thinks I should shape up. Fine. But notice how he says that I'm a troll which means that he doesn't really think I'm scum, just trolling a bit like people do in the early game.
Now just three posts later and without mentioning me at all he says this:
On July 07 2012 05:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
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Prplhz needs to get in here and either claim scum and self-vote and tell me the names of his partners or he needs to come establish his innocence by participating in the various discussions occurring right now. Tired of this prpl. If you're town you should be ashamed of yourself. If you're scum, thank you for telling your team to fuck off by so clearly illustrating your alignment to me and the rest of the class.
Look at how hard his rhetoric is "either claim scum or be ashamed of yourself" this is way overreacting to what he just acknowledges was early game trolly posting. He's trying to take a hard stance but it's really conflicting with what he just said about me.
On July 07 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd really like prplhz to come explain his actions before we move on...because I'm totally fine with my vote where it is if this is the median level of play we can expect from prplhz this game. I fucking called his shit in MSM and I'm not letting him escape again because he lurked his way clear of suspicion.
YOU HEAR ME PRPL YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY THIS TIME BRO
I already mentioned this but here is more wobbling, "before we move on" and then the weird capitalized "YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY". It looks like he's trying to take a hard stance but it's very apparent that he isn't.
On July 07 2012 06:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean...someone's gotta say it.
Would scum act like that? Flippantly fingering their foes frivolously?
That's my only problem with a prplhz lynch at this point...he's smart enough to realize that acting like this would bring about suspicion...but he's like gone, man. Would scum do something like that only to disappear and allow the shit to boil over?
More wobbling but this post seems really fake and constructed and hesitant to me. "I mean...someone's gotta say it." looks so careful, is this how you think of VisceraEyes? He usually just says stuff that is on his mind, but the only times he does it in this game is when he's trying to take a hard stance on something where he doesn't have a hard stance.
Then we have these two posts:
On July 07 2012 07:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
I shit I just broke Kenpachi Rule #2. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
On July 07 2012 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
"The first person to use the term 'pro-town' is scum"
...or something like that.
This is a bit silly to call attention to yourself like this if you are town. But the most striking thing about this is that VisceraEyes is apparently rereading his own filter looking for scummy things. Who rereads their own filter and who does this looking for things that might look scummy? This scrutinizing and worrying about what you said is something mafia do.
Already said this but VisceraEyes pulls out the weirdest argument ever for voting me over Sinensis when zentor asks him about it:
On July 07 2012 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Don't appeal to authority marvel, come on.
Zentor, Sinensis has all of ONE post guy...by virtue of post-count ALONE, prplhz has had more of a chance to prove his towniness than Sinensis has.
5 one liners is apparently so much more than one 4 liner that I should be looking really townie. It looks like he's just trying to make up some excuse instead of looking at it objectively and saying something like "they're both really scummy but I want to see where this leads".
Already said this but after calling me out several times in the thread I show up and then he has absolutely nothing to me. I have a 5 line filter at this point but he asks me a question that proves that he didn't even read it. His unvote is nonsense, if he was voting me to pressure me into posting better then it doesn't make sense to unvote me while calling my posting "asinine".
Then after I write a small case on him he votes me and then he dismissed my case... as OMGUS. Why isn't he just responding to my points? My case wasn't very big (because I usually dislike big cases like these). But see he finally takes a hard stance on me in this post:
On July 08 2012 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
More than what? His early play is BS, and he shitty blue claimed, and is now OMGUSing me when the reasoning for me disliking his play is the same that many others have given. He's just trying to BS now, taking on a well known player "because why would scum do that under scrutiny" or some shit.
No, I don't believe his claim. A cop wouldn't act like he acted at the beginning of the game, I can't see it. That's not suboptimal, that's antiproductive. All it's going to do is get votes on you forcing you to claim...and then he blames me for it.
LOL
"bullshit" "I don't believe his claim" "cop wouldn't act like he acted" "That's not suboptimal, that's antiproductive" he's taking a really hard stance here. Cool. Does he follow up on it?
On July 09 2012 13:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: Sinensis
For reasons previously stated.
No. New day, I didn't post since that other post (it's okay that he didn't follow up on it the day before because I wasn't getting lynched) but today is another day and he has a chance to push his biggest scum reads but he just throws his vote at Sinensis when that lynch is getting momentum.
I don't like his Sinensis case at all and having bad reasons for lynching people is a big scum tell.
On July 08 2012 15:57 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 13:03 Sinensis wrote:
Wow I thought I was going to be thrown under the bus for sticking to my gut (as per usual), and you guys go and kill someone completely different on nothing but gut and weak meta?
Keep an eye on those that switched votes from me to wiggles in my opinion.
That's sloosh, VE, and dangeresque. I would gamble one of them is mafia. As a townie, it occurs to me that anyone switching off of me would get townie points from me if the target flips town in the lynch in question. Why? Because it doesn't make sense from a scum perspective to change from one townie to another and risk coming under scrutiny for late-switching. It makes much more sense, from a townie perspective, to assume that those who for whatever reason tried to find an alternative candidate and avoid a no-lynch scenario while switching off a known townie (myself) are town. Fundamentally, it should make no sense from a scum perspective to switch late onto another townie, if Sinensis were town. That's why I think he's viewing the game from a different perspective - from a scum perspective.
This is the crux of his argument. This is so hilariously ironic because I just accused VisceraEyes of the same, VisceraEyes unvoted me (apparently thinking I was townie enough) and then in that very same post he said "Come at me bro" but he didn't feel like responding to that. Townies might not respond because they don't think it was a scummy thing to do, but then they wouldn't attack others for it either! Double standards. Fact is that he is attacking somebody who has been under attack for a bigger part of the game which is symptomatic for VisceraEyes this game, first me then Sinensis.
##Vote VisceraEyes
I don't really know about this Sinensis case. It seems to me like he just wrote a "that" instead of an "if" and it's not really a big deal. slOosh also made assumptions about scum night action here:
On July 09 2012 11:49 slOosh wrote:
Hah, with prplhz' check this game could be over today.
##Vote VisceraEyes
Implying that I had a check (when it's pretty logical that scum don't want me checking anybody).
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Wow, everyone's jumping on their votes :x
Zephirdd - I think you're making too much of what actually wasn't a scumslip.
prplhz, I also noticed that about slOosh. It seems an odd oversight for him. Current, factual state of play is this:
1) 3 dead townies
2) an outed cop who we don't know for sure is a cop, and if he is will surely be rbed
3) a needlessly outed JK
4) 0 dead scum
slOosh's conclusion: the game could be over today.
What the ....? Town could literally not be in a worse position day 2...
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Sinensis: could you tell me any games you played as both scum and town please
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Hi everyone!! Lovable rogue, marveldarling here. So I've been through everyone's filter in the game, searching for the truth. But what did I find? Confusion  As such, I have a couple of QUESTIONS !! and things I'd like town to discuss. Let's gogo.
Sinensis - as far as I can see your vote remained on Zephirdd all of day 1. In Day 2 you say Zephirdd made good points on VE. What is your read on Zephirdd now? If it isn't scum, what made you change your mind?
MrZentor - your read on Sinensis day 1 was "cautious, lurky" scum, and you've come out strong with a vote on him day 2. Yet Sinensis is no longer cautious, nor lurky. So what makes up your scumread on him?
Zephirdd - you voted Sinensis day 1 and never changed your vote. Taking aside the scumslip that never was, what is your read on Sinensis and why?
The prplhz cop claim
I really still can't quite get over this. prplhz said "you guys forced me to claim cop".
Out of 12 players, only 3 players actually placed a vote on prplhz (me, Zeph, VE). Many others actually defended him. It feels very wrong that someone would claim cop with 3 votes maximum on them. I want ALL of town's thoughts on this please.
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Uh, there were four votes on me and slOosh said he'd vote for me but he just wanted to wait to see the Sinensis thing. Implying that it didn't look like wherebugsgo would vote for me is ludicrous.
How would you feel with the five biggest town voices on your back with 8 hours left and you knew you couldn't be around much until deadline? I think that zentor and zontar defended me, woopdeedoo. You even said "I don't care about what you think" and that's what I thought when I saw you people on me, you wouldn't care about anybody else and just listen to each other.
What is your opinion on VisceraEyes?
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Who was the 4th? I went through everyone's filter tallying up and I only found us 3.
VE - I'm currently working on it. More this evening I hope.
What do you make of slOosh? He currently has the most notes I have on anyone this game.
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Well maybe it was only three. Do you seriously think it looked like neither wherebugsgo nor slOosh would jump on my lynch? The both argued vocally against me. Do you expect me to just stay silent and then claim 4 hours before deadline when I can't post anymore at all? I gave you the necessary information in time for you to react and ask me questions and I felt that that was the best way to do it.
I think slOosh looks townie enough. I read his filter yesterday and nothing really tinkled my senses since then.
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I didnt change cuz I was away. My read on him at night was "stubborn town". God damnit, I was pretty sure it was a freaking slip. But prpl said he was rb'd.
Back to VE then.
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