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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On July 08 2012 15:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Whatever I wanted to lynch prplhz. You're crazy. I find Sinensis' assessment fairly scummy, and I'll give bonus points to anyone who can tell me why before I finish typing it up myself. Is it because you're part of it? Did I get it right? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On July 08 2012 13:03 Sinensis wrote: Wow I thought I was going to be thrown under the bus for sticking to my gut (as per usual), and you guys go and kill someone completely different on nothing but gut and weak meta? Keep an eye on those that switched votes from me to wiggles in my opinion. That's sloosh, VE, and dangeresque. I would gamble one of them is mafia. As a townie, it occurs to me that anyone switching off of me would get townie points from me if the target flips town in the lynch in question. Why? Because it doesn't make sense from a scum perspective to change from one townie to another and risk coming under scrutiny for late-switching. It makes much more sense, from a townie perspective, to assume that those who for whatever reason tried to find an alternative candidate and avoid a no-lynch scenario while switching off a known townie (myself) are town. Fundamentally, it should make no sense from a scum perspective to switch late onto another townie, if Sinensis were town. That's why I think he's viewing the game from a different perspective - from a scum perspective. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Door #2 has a nice long bit of rope for you though... | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On July 08 2012 15:57 VisceraEyes wrote: As a townie, it occurs to me that anyone switching off of me would get townie points from me if the target flips town in the lynch in question. Why? Because it doesn't make sense from a scum perspective to change from one townie to another and risk coming under scrutiny for late-switching. It makes much more sense, from a townie perspective, to assume that those who for whatever reason tried to find an alternative candidate and avoid a no-lynch scenario while switching off a known townie (myself) are town. Fundamentally, it should make no sense from a scum perspective to switch late onto another townie, if Sinensis were town. That's why I think he's viewing the game from a different perspective - from a scum perspective. People are usually scrutinized for late switching because it is scummy. You are trying to argue that because late switching is considered scummy, it isn't really scummy? Because scum don't act scummy, because that might draw attention to them? I think you got yourself confused. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
Do you see what I did there. Your post is full of the stuff. What's with that? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Why would scum switch from you, town, to drwiggl3s, also town? You said it yourself, the case was relatively weak, why would scum bother to switch at all? Doesn't it make more sense for scum to park their vote on you, with the actual case and vocal townies speaking out in opposition of? That's how I'd see it Sin, and I'm town. That's why I think your reasoning is scummy. Because you don't see it the same way I'd see it, and I know I'm town. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Anyway, I'm gonna read up on Sinensis and probably some others too. Since, prplhz is a (claimed) cop, should we try and direct him or just leave him to his own decisions? I think that prplhz should check by himself and claim it like 5 (or 1) minute(s) before the deadline or something, also he should claim the result too, that is if he lives, but this is assuming he is actually a cop. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:44 Bluelightz wrote: so..... akdshgfadshgfyagsln Anyway, I'm gonna read up on Sinensis and probably some others too. Since, prplhz is a (claimed) cop, should we try and direct him or just leave him to his own decisions? I think that prplhz should check by himself and claim it like 5 (or 1) minute(s) before the deadline or something, also he should claim the result too, that is if he lives, but this is assuming he is actually a cop. Scumteams often have rbers (can't remember last time i played w/out one). meh, leave him to his own devices. If he is a cop he's sensible enough to pick a decent target. As for Sinensis, firstly VE's analysis on the vote-switching thing seems quite reasonable. I'm trying to put myself in Sinensis' shoes... I'm thinking Day 2 Movie. I don't really recall thinking anyone was scummy for when they switched off me, more "thank fuck they've seen the light." Now Sinensis isn't me obv, but his aggression after this lynch seems particularly misplaced. 'you idiots, you lynched a bloody townie on a weak case instead of lynching... another townie in me!' - what gives?? | ||
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Dangeresque77
United States65 Posts
On July 08 2012 13:14 Sinensis wrote: No, I don't think so. I think if NSH wanted as easy mislynch, like you probably did, he would have just voted me... like you did. So your implying that me and NSH are part of a scum team? We would have to be a really horrible scum team If we were scum and wanted an "easy misslynch" why would we switch? You already had 4 votes And scum wouldn't have changed their vote to someone who they knew was town | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On both drwiggl3s, Sinensis and prplhz cases, VisceraEyes can be seen in 4th or 5th position of the voters. Although he was the first to vote prplhz, he backed off it before moving in again. Here is the thing about middle voters: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mastin's_Insane_Tells (it's a cool thing to read too) My read on Sinensis right now is cocky, stubborn town. I'm assuming prplhz to be town, but he hasn't made a post for a while. shape up yo Hey, remember the link up there? Check out Section 5. "Caution vs Recklesness" - The Tell, Updated. In simple words, it means "scum will think about their posts and try to be more consistent than town". Look at VE's post, like this: On July 08 2012 16:51 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not saying your scum either, I'm just saying your reasoning is coming across as scummy. Just hold your horses on the condescension and sarcasm while you dismiss what I'm saying as OMGUS...that's not what this is about. I'm explaining why I have a problem with your reasoning. It's not for you, it's for the rest of town. It's my perspective, and I'm not saying that you're definitely scum because of it. I'm simply saying that it looks bad and it's something I'm factoring in. You know what I see from this? "I don't want to mess with you, so I'll stay on a safe spot". It's been quite a while since I've seen such a wishy washy post like this. Also, this post(which came before): On July 08 2012 16:47 VisceraEyes wrote: You're saying you're town right Sin? Why would scum switch from you, town, to drwiggl3s, also town? You said it yourself, the case was relatively weak, why would scum bother to switch at all? Doesn't it make more sense for scum to park their vote on you, with the actual case and vocal townies speaking out in opposition of? That's how I'd see it Sin, and I'm town. That's why I think your reasoning is scummy. Because you don't see it the same way I'd see it, and I know I'm town. Want to know why scum like you would switch from a town to a town? Because a mislynch is a mislynch regardless of the target. Town players were switching out Sinensis before you switched into drwiggl3s. You noticed that, and jumped into the wiggl3s wagon to make sure there was a lynch - but not early nor late enough to not arise any suspicion. Notice how exactly 7 players voted for wiggl3s, if you didn't do that then there would be no lynch. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
What are you getting at with the voting thing though? The fact is that SOMEONE has to be on the middle of a lynch/wagon, right? Do you think there's something that can't be explained away from a townie POV there? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:26 marvellosity wrote: Huh. I hadn't even really noticed VE's post you quoted first there. It's amazingly hedgey. What are you getting at with the voting thing though? The fact is that SOMEONE has to be on the middle of a lynch/wagon, right? Do you think there's something that can't be explained away from a townie POV there? He's been in the middle of every wagon. Rather, in positions 4-5 of every wagon. let's look at his reasoning to vote each player, shall we? On July 06 2012 21:45 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here! HUZZAH!!! ^^ So are we lynching Bz? Kenpachi rule? ##Vote Bluelightz Sure, we can kinda accept this as a troll or something. Still, it should have been quite obvious that is not a reason to start a lynch yet he keeps arguing over it on the following posts On July 06 2012 22:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know, but his "interaction" with you is more damning than Bz Kenpachi Rule Infraction. ##Unvote ##Vote: prplhz Let's see if he wants to play now, or if he wants to continue playing like a troll. Here he is number 1 of the prplhz lynch, before the cases. His reasoning to make prplhz to not play like a troll, not because he is scum. On July 08 2012 02:28 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: prplhz Better posting is better. My unvote has nothing to do with your claim. That you suspect me is asinine. Your case is literally "He suspects me. I don't think as town he would suspect me." When you come in with a more substantial case, I'll provide a more substantial defense. ##Vote: Sinensis By far the best case in the thread right now. I agree with most of slOosh's points, though I feel he's unfairly calling his responses "overly defensive" when his is the only decent case in the thread. slOosh, what do you think about Zeph? Look how he agrees with sloosh, but says he should be too harsh, as if he wanted to remove some weigh from Sinensis. As if he knew Sinensis was replying as a town. On July 08 2012 06:43 VisceraEyes wrote: *shrug* ##Vote: prplhz ? and then On July 08 2012 07:49 Dangeresque77 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:drwiggl3s Your right his play does seem uncontrasted to his lvl After ive thought about it Wiggles is being more destructive than sinensis. If I'm right we need two more to vote on drwiggles for the lynch "is being more destructive" where? wiggl3s had some posts with low substance(from what I remember, checking my notes here), but Sinensis by far was being more destructive with his stubbornness and ignoring my posts in order to call me scum. I don't have enough time to make a throughout analysis, and specially not enough effort on a Sunday =_= it's night, but I'll look deeply into VE when the day comes. Hope you enjoy when I do that, hon | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On July 08 2012 07:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay. ##Unvote ##Vote Drwiggl3s His and D77's votes were right next to each other. VE show no reasoning on wiggl3s vote. D77, use this moment to reply to what I said over there. | ||
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Dangeresque77
United States65 Posts
On July 09 2012 00:45 Zephirdd wrote: His and D77's votes were right next to each other. VE show no reasoning on wiggl3s vote. D77, use this moment to reply to what I said over there. Zeph you mean you're case on Ve or what you said about me? Whatever I'll do both 1. On one hand Marv is right. Someone does have to be in the middle On the other hand like you said he has been there for most of his votes It would be easy to pass this off as him being an unagressive player, but he was first for voting prplhz I'd like to here what prplhz thinks of him now sense earlier he was tunneling him pretty hard His recent play defenantly seems scummy. Especially because of the reasons for his votes. He never really gave any reasons. Seems like he is trying not to be able to be held to his opinion 2. Ok Im not really sure what to tell you about our votes being together I just switched from sinensis ( who has gotten a lot more aggressive and in my opinion scummy since the day ended) mostly because of what NSH was saying. At the time I had thought that sin had about the same chance as wiggles for being scum but I switched because wiggles was the person that we were actually going to be able to lynch. Id say our votes being together is nothing more than coincidence | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
"is being more destructive" where? wiggl3s had some posts with low substance(from what I remember, checking my notes here), but Sinensis by far was being more destructive with his stubbornness and ignoring my posts in order to call me scum I meant this part. | ||
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Dangeresque77
United States65 Posts
What I ment by "being more destructive" was thaf I felt as though wiggles had been delaying scum hunting more than sinensis who only really hardcore defended himself and prplhz | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
So yeah, I just gonna keep doin what I'm doin. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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