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On June 27 2012 02:53 Toadesstern wrote: you don't even know something about the set-up yet. It's really weird with multiple lifes and shit. And yeah will fix stuff but I was pushed into posting it NAO Igrok wolololololo | ||
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On June 27 2012 04:51 Toadesstern wrote: didn't think it's going to be full so fast :p Edit: Also you have about 26 more hours to sign up for this game if you want to. Sign ups will be closed on 22:30 GMT (+00:00) tomorrow and I will announce who gets to play this awesome game. Thats not in allcaps | ||
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Couple things: First off, if you didn't get your first pick, claim what your first pick was. That only narrows your role doawn to 11/12 possibilities and gives us a good sense of whos playing in the game. Kirby, you're a supercop. Abuse the hell out of it. Cephiro is Kirby. Link: Go ahead and just throw out a bomb as often as you can. Worst case scenario someone picks it up and you blow them up, ezpz. If Cephiro is scum, we play on Hyrule Castle. Otherwise, we play on Zebes. This gives us a bonus lynch every day, gotta have that. There are 2 pikachus. There are no Luigis. | ||
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On July 02 2012 08:10 kingdedede wrote: iGrok, how do you know all those things? I understand how you can know that there's at least 2 pikachu's by picking it as one of your picks and not getting it, but how do you know there's no luigi's and that Cephiro is Kirby? Meta. I have no actual knowledge of pikachu #s, cephiro's role, or the number of luigis. But meta says ceph is kirby (or failing that, pikachu), there are 2 pikas and no one ever picks luigi. | ||
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On July 02 2012 08:10 Mister Saturn wrote: bah i already forgot to use my hydra. + Show Spoiler + It doesn't look like we vote for stages beyond our initial selection, iGrok. So no endless Zebes I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on having the item area selections being randomly generated for everyone. The way I see it, if everyone just picks whatever area they feel like on their own, mafia has an advantage in the item grabbing as they know what their partner will pick and can thus pick different areas to maximize their chances. And I know someone is going to bring up the point of "won't that easily expose mafia, so we should just let them do it". I don't think that's the case since not only are there six areas and only eight characters so the chances of areas having multiple people aren't all that high. So it'll be difficult to identify possible partnerships that way. Secondly, I think the item selection is fairly similar to a PYP number selection scenario (in terms of motivation). Mafia know that if they behave in the optimal way all the time, there's a chance of them being exposed. So they'll probably throw in a "both characters in the same area" at least once. It'd be nice if someone could think of a good way to pick random numbers publicly though. The way that Palmar picked random player orderings might be nice, if someone has a web page and some scripting knowledge. So we could have just have like a script that runs at like 18:00 KST or some set time like that and outputs people randomly into item areas. - Hiro Honestly I'd be fine with going down the list and letting whoever is in that slot choose who goes where. | ||
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On July 02 2012 08:17 Mister Saturn wrote: Hm, that could work too I guess. And it's a lot simpler to set up. Did you get your first pick? | ||
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On July 02 2012 09:06 HomerunBat wrote: How many SSB games have been played on TL? I would be curious about the sample size you base your conclusions from iGrok. Bold words from you @Hiro Your idea with controlling the itemgrabbing for town sounds really good, supporting it as long as we can get some good way to distribute it. We also got our first pick -ShiaoPi I've run 20+ games of SSB IRC mafia, where it started. My credentials: Don't question me! | ||
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I think my idea of having players choose other's zones would be best. We can gai na lot of info based on who they pair/decide to sit out. | ||
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@Saturn, yes, I did get my first pick. iGrok's Clarification Every time theres a stage, one person (the "King") picks the locations for each individual person. The "King" changes each time, going to the next person on the list. Is it really that difficult? | ||
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On July 03 2012 03:26 talismania wrote: and this is for stage event position or item position? In any event I'm still just going to stand in the middle and skip going for an item. iGrok's Clarification Every time theres a stage, one person (the "King") picks the locations for each individual person. The "King" changes each time, going to the next person on the list. Is it really that difficult? | ||
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Everyone goes to Left. | ||
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TOP LEFT Mister Saturn (HiroPro + strongandbig) TOP MID Cephiro TOP RIGHT grush57 BOT LEFT HomerunBat (ShiaoPi + s0Lstice) BOT MID Risen BOT RIGHT talismania SIT OUT kingdedede (Artanis[Xp] + Acrofales) SIT OUT iGrok | ||
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ITEMS: TOP LEFT Mister Saturn (HiroPro + strongandbig) TOP MID Cephiro TOP RIGHT grush57 BOT LEFT HomerunBat (ShiaoPi + s0Lstice) BOT MID kingdedede (Artanis[Xp] + Acrofales) BOT RIGHT iGrok SIT OUT Risen SIT OUT talismania | ||
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On July 03 2012 04:25 talismania wrote: bah I wanted to stand in the middle :-( ____________ random hypothesis: toad picked alignments after character select so that he could guarantee a balanced game (aka he did not do it randomly). otherwise I don't see why we picked characters first and couldn't talk and all that which was half the fun (and half the information) in pick your power. Therefore I hypothesize that cephiro and mister saturn are not both mafia, because that sounds kind of broken. The other possible configurations sound reasonable though. I can confirm that your hypothesis is correct because thats how you run SSB64 | ||
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On July 03 2012 05:19 Risen wrote: Then why isn't the game balanced around everyone having 2 stock? Or 1 stock? It's 3 stock for a reason. As the guy who made the game, I'll tell you why. A) Starting stock was going to be an integer B) 2 Stock leads to games that are too fast C) 4 Stock leads to games that are too long | ||
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And jesus its not a fucking "DO THIS TO WIN AS TOWN" plan, that doesn't exist. Its a "DO THIS TO MITIGATE SCUM ADVANTAGE BY CONFUSION" plan, because in SSB64, Town has a built-in balance advantage if they can avoid confusion and limit info scum has that town does not. And you seem to be doing your best to add to the confusion. So what conclusions should we draw from that? | ||
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On July 03 2012 06:51 Risen wrote: What's better, (potentially) all of town and mafia losing .5kp or only some of town and some of mafia (potentially for mafia, guaranteed for town) losing .5kp. I think option 2 is better for town. That's what it comes down to. You think that guaranteeing that town loses stock for the chance that not all townies will and a scum will is better than keeping everyone equal. Are you fucking kidding me. This is seriously the most pants-on-head-retarded argument I've ever seen you make. | ||
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On July 03 2012 06:54 Risen wrote: End ratio isn't equal. Someone else posted on this. Stand where you want to stand people, don't be directed. No information comes from all of us standing on a single square. Damage outweighs benefits imo. Think that sums well. NO, HE POSTED THAT THE END RATIOS ARE EQUAL. QUIT BEING OBTUSE. | ||
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On July 03 2012 07:00 kingdedede wrote: iGrok, why are you ignoring me? Sure, I can make up my own explanation. I want to hear your reasoning for this when you made the decision. Answer it about Tali as well while you're at it. Not ignoring you sorry, attention is kind of split atm. Risen was originally benched because he hadn't done anything and if he was going to lurk I didn't want him getting an item. Tali wasn't benched for any particular reason. | ||
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On July 03 2012 07:02 Risen wrote: Don't post in big caps. I was wrong on that, cool. Fact remains we have a smaller buffer. No need to shout. I'm almost 100% iGrok is scum. He doesn't get heated like this usually. I DO NEED TO POST IN CAPS BECAUSE APPARENTLY IF I DON'T IT FLIES RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD. I'M HAVING TO SMACK YOU IN THE FACE WITH OBVIOUS LOGIC AND YOUR DERPING UP OF THE THREAD IS STARTING TO ANNOY ME. | ||
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There a literally 0 things in the game that would result in me losing .5 stock other than a tornado. (No bombs have been dropped). | ||
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List of .5 kp: Tornado Link Bomb Motion Sensor Bomb I didn't get hit by a tornado There are no Link Bombs MSBs act at night (and havent appeared yet anyways) | ||
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You should probably be able to guess why i picked you, you're scum. On the bright side of this derp, scum's at 2 stock lol. | ||
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On July 03 2012 07:31 Risen wrote: Please look at my play from my last game. The "scum wouldn't do that b/c it's so scummy" line of reasoning doesn't work. I'll be lynching iGrok. BUT THAT WOULD CAUSE SOMEONE ELSE TO LOSE STOCK, AND YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE MAKING TOWNIES LOSE STOCK TO GET SCUM ISN'T WORTH IT REMEMBER?!?! | ||
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Top picks for lynch are ##Vote: Talisman | ||
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On July 03 2012 08:11 Mister Saturn wrote: What? I am not talking about Cephiro. - Hiro Oh you were directing that to ceph. thought you meant HBR and ceph were both acting that way. okay, then completely agree | ||
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On July 03 2012 09:14 Mister Saturn wrote: + Show Spoiler + Do you really not understand why it's scummy to target someone without providing any reasoning, push for a different lynch than the person you think is scum because revealing the role is more important, and then not provide any reasoning for why you think that person is scum..... - Hiro I don't have to worry about doing things that are borderline scummy because anyone with half a brain knows I'm town (So, everyone except Risen). Townies can all tell and you and your teammate know as well. You won't shoot me because you'll die too, so idgaf about your threats. Even on the off chance that you are town, you still know i'm town because two half-brains make a full-brain and so you can still tell, even if you're still pissed you got hurt. At this point I just want to finish solving the game (85% done so far) and then sit back and watch it play out, with ceph grabbing tornados and | ||
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I don't want to lynch Saturn because I'm waiting for something. ##Vote grush7 or whatever | ||
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On July 04 2012 01:47 Mister Saturn wrote: I'm not pushing iGrok more because it doesn't matter; my position in the thread is officially shit and I won't be able to get him lynched. Luckily I have a gun and I can do what I want with it Yes, I saw your thing about him possibly changing his mind and not wanting to admit it. I don't buy it; first because I don't think iGrok is that stubborn that he wouldn't admit that he changed his read, second the way he talks about me indicates that he still thinks I'm strongly scum. - Hiro CLARIFICATION: YOU ARE SCUM | ||
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Saturn is scum but we're waiting to kill him until tomorrow so we can see how tonight works out. grush is a hyper-lurker who is doing jack-all, and is a good scummy candidate. How is this difficult to follow? | ||
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On July 04 2012 02:28 HomerunBat wrote: Also cats. How is this difficult to follow? | ||
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On July 04 2012 06:29 Risen wrote: Also. ##unvote ##vote: GRUSH57 BM is NOT the person you want to emulate when playing games with me. JEsus you may be right... what if Grush is BM's smurf | ||
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On July 04 2012 07:46 Risen wrote: Agreed. His results shall come, just keep heading towards that light at the end of the tunnel! Wait... it's day 4 already? Where did all the other townies go? Lol. Every time I've mentioned waiting, its been for Day2. Nice try though. | ||
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On July 05 2012 08:01 Cephiro wrote: Going to go sleep, I'll be back in ~9 hours. If the majority doesn't mind, I'll post which zone I want people to be in for the item when I'm back. @iGrok, I'd really prefer to see those thoughts of yours asap... they better be posted when I wake up! they will. Tell me where you want to me! | ||
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When I got my role, I decided to play like Palmar. I would lead the town Day1, be balls-to-the-wall aggressive, and force scum into slipping that way. I don't really play this style ever, but I wanted to try it out. To start off, Town needed some information to work with. Not a full massclaim, but something to keep D1 from being a random lynch. That's why I asked everyone to claim if they got their first choice. If we learned anything by doing this, the rest of the town roles (kirbys, yoshis, Ness, DK). As it turned out, this confirmed Saturn and Cephiro to be samuses, not because Grush claimed not-first pick, but because they confirmed it. This also means that grush was telling the truth, which as scum he shouldn't want to in that situation. dedede's claim was really unexpected but I like it, as long as there was Town KP they'd draw the shot before a busdriver. Ceph and Saturn don't have to be one scum, but it was very likely. So I picked one of them to carry. Gut feeling said Saturn was scum, so I carried him Then we needed a way to deal with items and locations. By making one person each night pick, I'd be able to learn their motives, and by going first I would see who tried to do anti-town things instead. The first list was literally running down the order. Then I decided to change things up a bit. I pulled out Risen and sat out Tali. Risen had posted a total of 1 times, so I sat him out. And I felt like Tali was sheeping me a little because his reads were similar, so I sat him as well. Then Risen exploded, and that fight was... revealing. At the time, to me he felt like a dumb townie more than scum, but he got a Grey box (I use Green, Red, and Gray shades to mark people - Gray means somethings not right but I don't get a strong scum vibe) Unfortunately, I derped on my own location, but this was almost ok because it generated a fight that revealed something about Saturn. [/i]Saturn hates me and plans on shooting me, yet doesn't try to lynch me.[/i] This is a huge red flag, and solidified my scum read on him. I still felt that one of Ceph and Saturn were scum. So, rather than lynch into them, I figured that we could let scum tell us. I wanted to wait on my reads until the next day to see who they shot, and then go after the other as scum. There was a small chance that neither was, but I'm basically playing a game of probabilities. I wanted something to work with on each player. That's why I suggested lynching lurkers. I already had reads on the non-lurkers, but I needed something to work with on Grush and Tali to find the remaining scum. And it seemed to work pretty well, as voting for them got them typing and lynching grush gave us something to work with. Imagine if we hadn't found out grush was a Falcon. You think he would have claimed the shot? With his activity record? I don't think so. Honestly, what happened last night is obvious. Scum1 and Scum2 (grush) shot cephiro as a town kp that most people agreed was town. Thankfully, dedede bussed ceph out of the way, and Risen got shot instead. Unfortunately, this means I'm also down to 1/2 kp damage. So the remaining question is who is the last scum? The answer is not quite that simple. Its either Risen or Mr.Saturn. The fact that Saturn said he would shoot me but didn't try to lynch me. Yeah, he voted for me but there was 0 pressure behind it. Saturn's behavior is incredibly scummy. And yet, he isn't who we should lynch or push. Assuming that all scum are included in the set of [grush, Risen, Saturn], town has this game won by tomorrow. We push Risen. This kills him. It will also kill me, but I'm ok with that as long as town doesn't derp. Odds are he flips scum, but Regardless of Risn's Flip, we lynch grush, who we know is scum. This kills grush. So now, 2/3 scum candidates are gone. Finally, if Risen wasn't scum, Ceph can shoot Saturn at night, and lynch him the next day (or somehow do .5 damage to him). This is how you win and cover all your bases. Again, sorry this is late, I crashed after the 4th of July party last night. ##Push: Risen ##Vote: Grush | ||
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On July 05 2012 21:06 Risen wrote: You're probably right. I think the grush lynch will tell us a lot. Interesting that igrok wants to push me in and kill me, though. He'd be killing himself in the process. Means he REALLY thinks I'm scum. I noted I'd be killing myself. But it's ok since the game is over as long as town doesn't go full derp mode | ||
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At first I did think risen was just extremely derp town. He was playing too dumb to be scum. But then, look at his votes. 7:57 - iGrok 9:38 - HRB 5:47 - tali 6:29 - grush 6:59 - tali This last minute switch is really important, because he was trying to save grush from a lynch, but missed a vote. Risen tried to save grush from a lynch wit ha last minute switch. What does that usually mean. And even more, not 30 minutes later he says that his scum reads are Tali/grush On July 04 2012 07:29 Risen wrote: I think it's safe to assume that scum was on both sides. Tali/grush scum team imo And then his next post: On July 04 2012 07:39 Risen wrote: I think you're wrong about me if you take anything from near voting time into account. I'm not talking alignment here. Come on. As for Tali, he's not super useful. But his spreadsheet tracking reads is really nice, because it lets us see who doesn't follow up their reads with pressure. Scum absolutely hate that. But even more, he isn't scum becasue [grush, risen, Saturn]P2 are. | ||
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On July 05 2012 21:27 Cephiro wrote: "My vote swap literally meant nothing. It didn't affect the game at all." Mafia Quote of the Year? I know rite? | ||
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On July 05 2012 21:29 HomerunBat wrote: I think pushing Risen is going to result in two dead townies. I'm willing to take that risk. Town will still have a 4-2 advantage. IF Risen is scum, here's what we end up with: Town: Cephiro kingdedede talismania HRB Scum: Grush Saturn As long as the town doesn't go full derp (never go full derp), that is an easily winnable situation. | ||
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On July 05 2012 22:03 Risen wrote: do I need to re pm hosts if I only sent push cephiro and not ##push cephiro? Lol. You know what would take less effort asking this? Just PMing ##push. So why are you saying this in public? | ||
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Anyways, your "case" is that Cephiro and dedede are scum together? Is that right? Ok, for the moment I'll suspend my read on you. I just... literally everyone is scummier than those two. Literally. Even me. I don't understand why you think they are scum, other than that its a convenient reasoning for the night actions. But this means that they would have had to plan it since the early part of Day1 when dedede claimed (10 hours into D1). So their goal was to make Ceph look like a townie. But lets look at their other actions. Cephiro fully supports the Kingmaker plan. dedede also fully supports it. But most importantly, dedede pushes a lynch off of tali. if the scum team is Ceph&dedede, he wouldn't do that. | ||
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On July 05 2012 22:25 Risen wrote: Why not? He pushes it from one townie to another in that scenario. I'm not saying it's rock solid. I'm all for lynching grush right now. If he flips town I think my case gains a lot of steam, if he's scum I'm going to die but then I think it narrows it down to tali/ms as the last scum. Yes, we'll lynch grush. But we're pushing you first. | ||
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On July 05 2012 22:27 Risen wrote: I'm not carrying you I'm carrying cephiro. I like the ms push since that pretty much makes you invulnerable should ms be scum. When did you switch your carry? | ||
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I'm more convinced Risen is scum than Saturn. Thats why. But, you've given me an idea. Ceph, will you shoot saturn tonight? | ||
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Almost everything you do is scummy. Your initial play wasn't, I marked you down as dumb town with a light green shade. But everything since then has made you scummier and scummier. Now you're trying to throw setup bullshit into my logic? I think I said this before, but don't try to use setup reasoning with the guy who invented the game, because you're going to lose that fight. You're fighting for your life, and I get that as scum that is scary for you. But you're going to die and you'll just have to accept that. Because the game has been solved even with the contingency that Saturn is scum, I'm not really worried about anything you do here. But stop spewing you inane accusations and insults like you think its a case, and just roll over and die. | ||
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On July 05 2012 23:51 HomerunBat wrote: iGrok, you have done nothing this game to earn the right to call the shots. I'm going to repost this, so it doesn't get buried. How in the fuck is this not our push target for today? iGrok and Cephiro, you are both wrong on Risen. I want to ask you exactly what has he been fighting for for the past little bit? He is all-out fighting to switch the kill order from grush->risen->Mr. S to grush->Mr. S->risen? Why? He knows he's dead if Mr.S flips town anyway. Do the tone of his posts really suggest he is fighting extra hard to die a little bit later, or is it more likely that he is town and is honestly pissed that he is going to be killed for no reason? Scum in this situation do what Mr. S is doing: clam up. Also, I've said before to go look at TL Mafia LI. I'm not just saying that for my health. You may not love meta, but go look at that game and tell me you don't see a lot of the same stuff there as here. Look as well at how Risen has been addressing grush. What kind of scum, in an attempt to save a teammate, first announces that said teammate is 'confirmed town,' announces he will be late vote switching, and then after the fact says SORRY BRO I TRIED. You can call that WIFOM if you want, but I don't. The simplest explanation there is that they are not teammates. I want to hear from dedede and Talis. I want you both to consider what I said and ##push Mr. Saturn. iGrok and Cephiro, same thing. I want us all to push Mr. Saturn today, and have Cephiro blow his shit up on N2. Oh, I'm sorry, finding an endgame solution doesn't qualify me to call the shots. Right. My bad. Honestly its 6 of one, half-a-dozen of the other. If Ceph says he'll shoot Saturn tonight, I'm fine with pushing him first and lynching Risen D3. Like I said, it doesn't matter which of [grush, Risen, Saturn] are scum, because two of them are and we can kill them all and there isn't anything they can do about it. Risen's being a complete ass, spamming 4 posts in a row, getting really mad, etc. Honestly at this point I'm tuning everything he says out, so idk which he sounds like more. But, it doesn't matter. GG, I won the game, scum plz surrender already. | ||
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This is also why I don't care what order we kill people in. I suggested Risen first because I had a slightly stronger read on him, but I really don't care what the order is. As long as town does fuck this up (HRB, I'm looking at you), we can't lose. | ||
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I'm not going to be lynched. I'm not going to be pushed. I'm not going to try to get an item. The earliest I can be killed is tonight, and thats only if scum shoots me. | ||
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On July 06 2012 04:07 Mister Saturn wrote: If iGrok truly believed that the two scum were between grush,Risen, and me, he would know that it doesn't matter one bit whether Cephiro shoots me tonight or not. It would be a town win regardless. On July 05 2012 21:08 iGrok wrote: But it's ok since the game is over as long as town doesn't go full derp mode On July 05 2012 21:34 iGrok wrote: I'm willing to take that risk. Town will still have a 4-2 advantage. On July 05 2012 23:18 iGrok wrote: Because the game has been solved even with the contingency that Saturn is scum, I'm not really worried about anything you do here. On July 06 2012 00:01 iGrok wrote: it doesn't matter which of [grush, Risen, Saturn] are scum, because two of them are and we can kill them all and there isn't anything they can do about it.. On July 06 2012 02:39 iGrok wrote: It doesn't matter if I die because no matter which combination of [grush,risen,saturn] is scum, we still win. This is also why I don't care what order we kill people in. | ||
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Especially since you (Hiro) seem insistent on mucking about in thread. S&B is playing with a level head, while you still seem to have your panties in a wad because I made you lose a stock. Bring S&B back, he's frankly better than you despite putting in (what seems like) less effort. | ||
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On July 06 2012 04:31 HiroPro wrote: You and talismania. And yes I do believe that you are scum killing yourself. It wouldn't be the first time. I expect an apology from you in 2.5 hours. | ||
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On July 06 2012 04:56 talismania wrote: they think it's me + you, iGrok. But that should be disproven when risen/you and grush flips. Hiro thinks its me and you. IDK about S&B As an aside, thats why i dislike hydras | ||
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Assume for the moment that I flip town and Risen flips something. | ||
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On July 06 2012 05:41 Risen wrote: Hmm, is he buddying tali so when he flips scum tali is safe bc he's buddying him? Too wifom I guess. Just don't let this affect your reads on tali people. (I'm assuming igrok flips scum. If he's town disregard previous statement.) Look! He's almost there. So close to covering all the possibilities of his theory! If only he could reach a little farther! I also like how I'm no longer positively flipping scum, I'm just something. | ||
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Saturn and Risen, I expect an apology. I only regret that I have but one life to give for my Town. | ||
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I'm not the best scumhunter, but it was fun to be leader for a while And yeah, calling out literally every player is not scumhunting. Players In the game 1) Igrok 2) Cephiro 3) Mister Saturn 4) grush57 5) talismania 6) kingdedede 7) HomerunBat 8) Risen Players Risen called scum: 1) Igrok 2) Cephiro 3) Mister Saturn 4) grush57 5) talismania 6) kingdedede 7) HomerunBat | ||
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On July 08 2012 10:15 Toadesstern wrote: DK used to be just a VET right? I actually never played IRC with this DK if I remember correctly. The VET-DK was kind of boring to play so I get why people didn't choose him and I also get why people picked DK in this game, it looked like a really cool char to actually do stuff. No, originally it was just "target loses stock every time he is lynched" Giant DK is the Vet | ||
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