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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-26 17:46:43
June 26 2012 17:46 GMT
#4
/in

p.s. fix ur modkills section lol
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 26 2012 17:55 GMT
#9
On June 27 2012 02:53 Toadesstern wrote:
you don't even know something about the set-up yet. It's really weird with multiple lifes and shit. And yeah will fix stuff but I was pushed into posting it NAO Igrok

wolololololo
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 26 2012 20:19 GMT
#30
On June 27 2012 04:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2012 04:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
Haha people stealing my hosting conventions now :D

didn't think it's going to be full so fast :p

Edit: Also you have about 26 more hours to sign up for this game if you want to. Sign ups will be closed on 22:30 GMT (+00:00) tomorrow and I will announce who gets to play this awesome game.

Thats not in allcaps
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
June 26 2012 20:57 GMT
#35
:D
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 01 2012 22:27 GMT
#77
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 01 2012 22:38 GMT
#78
Ok guys, listen, I literally invented this game, so you can pretty much just follow me to victory. That being said I'll probably get killed off early so :/

Couple things:

First off, if you didn't get your first pick, claim what your first pick was. That only narrows your role doawn to 11/12 possibilities and gives us a good sense of whos playing in the game.

Kirby, you're a supercop. Abuse the hell out of it.

Cephiro is Kirby.

Link: Go ahead and just throw out a bomb as often as you can. Worst case scenario someone picks it up and you blow them up, ezpz.

If Cephiro is scum, we play on Hyrule Castle. Otherwise, we play on Zebes. This gives us a bonus lynch every day, gotta have that.

There are 2 pikachus.

There are no Luigis.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 01 2012 23:13 GMT
#83
On July 02 2012 08:10 kingdedede wrote:
iGrok, how do you know all those things? I understand how you can know that there's at least 2 pikachu's by picking it as one of your picks and not getting it, but how do you know there's no luigi's and that Cephiro is Kirby?

Meta.

I have no actual knowledge of pikachu #s, cephiro's role, or the number of luigis. But meta says ceph is kirby (or failing that, pikachu), there are 2 pikas and no one ever picks luigi.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 01 2012 23:14 GMT
#84
On July 02 2012 08:10 Mister Saturn wrote:
bah i already forgot to use my hydra.

+ Show Spoiler +

It doesn't look like we vote for stages beyond our initial selection, iGrok. So no endless Zebes


I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on having the item area selections being randomly generated for everyone. The way I see it, if everyone just picks whatever area they feel like on their own, mafia has an advantage in the item grabbing as they know what their partner will pick and can thus pick different areas to maximize their chances.

And I know someone is going to bring up the point of "won't that easily expose mafia, so we should just let them do it". I don't think that's the case since not only are there six areas and only eight characters so the chances of areas having multiple people aren't all that high. So it'll be difficult to identify possible partnerships that way. Secondly, I think the item selection is fairly similar to a PYP number selection scenario (in terms of motivation). Mafia know that if they behave in the optimal way all the time, there's a chance of them being exposed. So they'll probably throw in a "both characters in the same area" at least once.

It'd be nice if someone could think of a good way to pick random numbers publicly though. The way that Palmar picked random player orderings might be nice, if someone has a web page and some scripting knowledge. So we could have just have like a script that runs at like 18:00 KST or some set time like that and outputs people randomly into item areas.


- Hiro

Honestly I'd be fine with going down the list and letting whoever is in that slot choose who goes where.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 01 2012 23:18 GMT
#87
On July 02 2012 08:17 Mister Saturn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 08:14 iGrok wrote:
On July 02 2012 08:10 Mister Saturn wrote:
bah i already forgot to use my hydra.

+ Show Spoiler +

It doesn't look like we vote for stages beyond our initial selection, iGrok. So no endless Zebes


I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on having the item area selections being randomly generated for everyone. The way I see it, if everyone just picks whatever area they feel like on their own, mafia has an advantage in the item grabbing as they know what their partner will pick and can thus pick different areas to maximize their chances.

And I know someone is going to bring up the point of "won't that easily expose mafia, so we should just let them do it". I don't think that's the case since not only are there six areas and only eight characters so the chances of areas having multiple people aren't all that high. So it'll be difficult to identify possible partnerships that way. Secondly, I think the item selection is fairly similar to a PYP number selection scenario (in terms of motivation). Mafia know that if they behave in the optimal way all the time, there's a chance of them being exposed. So they'll probably throw in a "both characters in the same area" at least once.

It'd be nice if someone could think of a good way to pick random numbers publicly though. The way that Palmar picked random player orderings might be nice, if someone has a web page and some scripting knowledge. So we could have just have like a script that runs at like 18:00 KST or some set time like that and outputs people randomly into item areas.


- Hiro

Honestly I'd be fine with going down the list and letting whoever is in that slot choose who goes where.


Hm, that could work too I guess. And it's a lot simpler to set up.

Did you get your first pick?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 01 2012 23:21 GMT
#89
On July 02 2012 08:19 Mister Saturn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 08:18 iGrok wrote:
On July 02 2012 08:17 Mister Saturn wrote:
On July 02 2012 08:14 iGrok wrote:
On July 02 2012 08:10 Mister Saturn wrote:
bah i already forgot to use my hydra.

+ Show Spoiler +

It doesn't look like we vote for stages beyond our initial selection, iGrok. So no endless Zebes


I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on having the item area selections being randomly generated for everyone. The way I see it, if everyone just picks whatever area they feel like on their own, mafia has an advantage in the item grabbing as they know what their partner will pick and can thus pick different areas to maximize their chances.

And I know someone is going to bring up the point of "won't that easily expose mafia, so we should just let them do it". I don't think that's the case since not only are there six areas and only eight characters so the chances of areas having multiple people aren't all that high. So it'll be difficult to identify possible partnerships that way. Secondly, I think the item selection is fairly similar to a PYP number selection scenario (in terms of motivation). Mafia know that if they behave in the optimal way all the time, there's a chance of them being exposed. So they'll probably throw in a "both characters in the same area" at least once.

It'd be nice if someone could think of a good way to pick random numbers publicly though. The way that Palmar picked random player orderings might be nice, if someone has a web page and some scripting knowledge. So we could have just have like a script that runs at like 18:00 KST or some set time like that and outputs people randomly into item areas.


- Hiro

Honestly I'd be fine with going down the list and letting whoever is in that slot choose who goes where.


Hm, that could work too I guess. And it's a lot simpler to set up.

Did you get your first pick?


I was the first pick

- Hiro

I dont pay attention to useless info like draft order :p
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 00:13 GMT
#93
On July 02 2012 09:06 HomerunBat wrote:
How many SSB games have been played on TL?
I would be curious about the sample size you base your conclusions from iGrok. Bold words from you

@Hiro
Your idea with controlling the itemgrabbing for town sounds really good, supporting it as long as we can get some good way to distribute it.

We also got our first pick

-ShiaoPi

I've run 20+ games of SSB IRC mafia, where it started.

My credentials: Don't question me!
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 02:09 GMT
#100
Interesting, thanks
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 13:31 GMT
#111
Don't mass claim day 1 please....
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 17:26 GMT
#125
Oh, ceph, you cheeky bastard.

I think my idea of having players choose other's zones would be best. We can gai na lot of info based on who they pair/decide to sit out.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 17:36 GMT
#128
Idea was a random list but since we cant use randoms that list is fine. Starts with my strongest Town read and follows with the two people I'm most interested in seeing their decisions.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 17:55 GMT
#134
@Ceph: You got it ♥

@Saturn, yes, I did get my first pick.


iGrok's Clarification


Every time theres a stage, one person (the "King") picks the locations for each individual person.
The "King" changes each time, going to the next person on the list.

Is it really that difficult?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 18:31 GMT
#139
On July 03 2012 03:26 talismania wrote:
and this is for stage event position or item position? In any event I'm still just going to stand in the middle and skip going for an item.

iGrok's Clarification


Every time theres a stage, one person (the "King") picks the locations for each individual person.
The "King" changes each time, going to the next person on the list.

Is it really that difficult?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 18:41 GMT
#142
Oh, and we're running all-or-nothing.

Everyone goes to Left.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 18:42 GMT
#143
for clarification:

EVERYONE GOES LEFT
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 18:56 GMT
#149
ITEMS:
TOP LEFT Mister Saturn (HiroPro + strongandbig)
TOP MID Cephiro
TOP RIGHT grush57
BOT LEFT HomerunBat (ShiaoPi + s0Lstice)
BOT MID Risen
BOT RIGHT talismania
SIT OUT kingdedede (Artanis[Xp] + Acrofales)
SIT OUT iGrok
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 18:58 GMT
#152
EBWOP CHANGE OF PLAN
ITEMS:

TOP LEFT Mister Saturn (HiroPro + strongandbig)
TOP MID Cephiro
TOP RIGHT grush57
BOT LEFT HomerunBat (ShiaoPi + s0Lstice)
BOT MID kingdedede (Artanis[Xp] + Acrofales)
BOT RIGHT iGrok
SIT OUT Risen
SIT OUT talismania
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 18:59 GMT
#153
I hate having to do this but i'm sick of people not understanding shit.

Do i need to make a graphic representation?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:01 GMT
#156
Yes, Zebes is just another lynch for us.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:02 GMT
#157
Item locations may change depending on how the rest of the day goes. If I get some reads I'll switch you in.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:09 GMT
#163
It's all about how difficult it is to lynch them. There are a lot of things that are -1kp in this game. Cutting everyone down from 3 to 2.5 is very nice for us because then it only takes 2 actions to kill them instead of 3 (or two lynches)
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:12 GMT
#165
And of course if scum don't follow along, we've found them out.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:26 GMT
#169
On July 03 2012 04:25 talismania wrote:
bah I wanted to stand in the middle :-(

____________

random hypothesis:

toad picked alignments after character select so that he could guarantee a balanced game (aka he did not do it randomly). otherwise I don't see why we picked characters first and couldn't talk and all that which was half the fun (and half the information) in pick your power. Therefore I hypothesize that cephiro and mister saturn are not both mafia, because that sounds kind of broken. The other possible configurations sound reasonable though.

I can confirm that your hypothesis is correct because thats how you run SSB64
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:29 GMT
#171
Ok, so to remind everyone, everyone but grush got their first pick and that's accounted for
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:30 GMT
#172
Risen i don't care who you vote for as long as you stand in the right place.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 19:41 GMT
#175
Someone else try talking to him. I'm trying but it seems no one is home.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 20:22 GMT
#184
On July 03 2012 05:19 Risen wrote:
Then why isn't the game balanced around everyone having 2 stock? Or 1 stock? It's 3 stock for a reason.

As the guy who made the game, I'll tell you why.

A) Starting stock was going to be an integer
B) 2 Stock leads to games that are too fast
C) 4 Stock leads to games that are too long
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 20:37 GMT
#189
CLICK FOR CANDY

And jesus its not a fucking "DO THIS TO WIN AS TOWN" plan, that doesn't exist. Its a "DO THIS TO MITIGATE SCUM ADVANTAGE BY CONFUSION" plan, because in SSB64, Town has a built-in balance advantage if they can avoid confusion and limit info scum has that town does not. And you seem to be doing your best to add to the confusion. So what conclusions should we draw from that?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 21:53 GMT
#209
On July 03 2012 06:51 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 06:44 kingdedede wrote:
Why do you think it's worse off for Town than Mafia, Risen? How would splitting up the players over the three spots help town? Either way, the chance of hitting town compared to scum is 'equal' in that the expected value doesn't change. The only thing that changes by changing spots is variance, and I haven't heard an argument that the higher variance leads to a better outcome for Town.


What's better, (potentially) all of town and mafia losing .5kp or only some of town and some of mafia (potentially for mafia, guaranteed for town) losing .5kp. I think option 2 is better for town. That's what it comes down to.

You think that guaranteeing that town loses stock for the chance that not all townies will and a scum will is better than keeping everyone equal.

Are you fucking kidding me.

This is seriously the most pants-on-head-retarded argument I've ever seen you make.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:00 GMT
#218
On July 03 2012 06:54 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 06:50 Cephiro wrote:
Because you're clearly smarter than me, would you care to explain more in-detail why do you consider that both factions losing percentually the same amount of stock out of their total, thus the ratio staying the same, is worse off for town?

If I understood right, you'd rather do a 3-2-3 split. Assuming there are 2 scum, best case scenario is if both scum end up in the middle and a tornado hits them both. Chances of this happening is (1/3)*(1/4)*(1/7) ~ 1,18%
Worst case scenario is that it hits three townies: (1/3)*(3/4)*(5/7)*(2/3) ~ 11,19%

The chance of worst case scenario happening for town is almost 10 times higher than scum, if my math is not wrong.

Can you explain me why your plan is better?

Especially as iGrok's plan only has a 33% chance of anyone taking damage, and if it happens, we all take damage in an equal ratio.



End ratio isn't equal. Someone else posted on this. Stand where you want to stand people, don't be directed. No information comes from all of us standing on a single square. Damage outweighs benefits imo. Think that sums well.

NO, HE POSTED THAT THE END RATIOS ARE EQUAL. QUIT BEING OBTUSE.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:03 GMT
#222
On July 03 2012 07:00 kingdedede wrote:
iGrok, why are you ignoring me?

Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 04:54 kingdedede wrote:
iGrok: why is Risen getting benched for an item?


Sure, I can make up my own explanation. I want to hear your reasoning for this when you made the decision. Answer it about Tali as well while you're at it.

Not ignoring you sorry, attention is kind of split atm.

Risen was originally benched because he hadn't done anything and if he was going to lurk I didn't want him getting an item.
Tali wasn't benched for any particular reason.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:04 GMT
#224
On July 03 2012 07:02 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 07:00 iGrok wrote:
On July 03 2012 06:54 Risen wrote:
On July 03 2012 06:50 Cephiro wrote:
Because you're clearly smarter than me, would you care to explain more in-detail why do you consider that both factions losing percentually the same amount of stock out of their total, thus the ratio staying the same, is worse off for town?

If I understood right, you'd rather do a 3-2-3 split. Assuming there are 2 scum, best case scenario is if both scum end up in the middle and a tornado hits them both. Chances of this happening is (1/3)*(1/4)*(1/7) ~ 1,18%
Worst case scenario is that it hits three townies: (1/3)*(3/4)*(5/7)*(2/3) ~ 11,19%

The chance of worst case scenario happening for town is almost 10 times higher than scum, if my math is not wrong.

Can you explain me why your plan is better?

Especially as iGrok's plan only has a 33% chance of anyone taking damage, and if it happens, we all take damage in an equal ratio.



End ratio isn't equal. Someone else posted on this. Stand where you want to stand people, don't be directed. No information comes from all of us standing on a single square. Damage outweighs benefits imo. Think that sums well.

NO, HE POSTED THAT THE END RATIOS ARE EQUAL. QUIT BEING OBTUSE.


Don't post in big caps. I was wrong on that, cool. Fact remains we have a smaller buffer. No need to shout. I'm almost 100% iGrok is scum. He doesn't get heated like this usually.

I DO NEED TO POST IN CAPS BECAUSE APPARENTLY IF I DON'T IT FLIES RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD. I'M HAVING TO SMACK YOU IN THE FACE WITH OBVIOUS LOGIC AND YOUR DERPING UP OF THE THREAD IS STARTING TO ANNOY ME.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:05 GMT
#227
Well, this is interesting.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:09 GMT
#239
Um.

There a literally 0 things in the game that would result in me losing .5 stock other than a tornado. (No bombs have been dropped).
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:11 GMT
#240
Ceph go ahead and try to piece it together for me?

List of .5 kp:
Tornado
Link Bomb
Motion Sensor Bomb

I didn't get hit by a tornado
There are no Link Bombs
MSBs act at night (and havent appeared yet anyways)
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:13 GMT
#245
huh. Yeah, thats what happened. I sent in the wrong zone lol. So much for my plan, I can't even follow it (thts what I get for playing from work). Everyone should follow Risen now.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:14 GMT
#247
EBWOP Just double checked my zone pm and i put top left instead of bot right
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:15 GMT
#249
shoot me if you want, it was a derp I think top left as the first zone and so I put myself there.

You should probably be able to guess why i picked you, you're scum. On the bright side of this derp, scum's at 2 stock lol.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:17 GMT
#250
Lol i'm not saying I thought I was writing bot right and wrote top left. I thought I was going top left because I'm playing this, making a DF thread, fighting people about my sc2map, and dealing with a crisis at work all at the same time.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 02 2012 22:19 GMT
#252
Start of the game. I made it later though
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July 02 2012 22:19 GMT
#253
Its in the OP btw
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July 02 2012 22:22 GMT
#258
I can choose at any time since the start of the game. Once I do choose, I can only change at night.
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July 02 2012 22:23 GMT
#259
Or at least thats how toad read it, since I chose less than 6 hours ago.
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July 02 2012 22:30 GMT
#262
I got a feeling


oooooh, oooh
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July 02 2012 22:32 GMT
#265
On July 03 2012 07:31 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2012 07:25 kingdedede wrote:
Fuck it, iGrok has effectively made himself unlynchable: I don't think iGrok and mister saturn can be scum together based on what just happened, so unless we're okay with mister saturn losing another 1.5 stock in the lynch, it's not even worth discussing at this point :S

iGrok: I don't know what to think of this. Artanis and I will talk it over more, but I can't believe you just screwed up your own plan.

/Acro


Please look at my play from my last game. The "scum wouldn't do that b/c it's so scummy" line of reasoning doesn't work. I'll be lynching iGrok.

BUT THAT WOULD CAUSE SOMEONE ELSE TO LOSE STOCK, AND YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT BECAUSE MAKING TOWNIES LOSE STOCK TO GET SCUM ISN'T WORTH IT REMEMBER?!?!
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July 02 2012 22:32 GMT
#266
/SARCASM IN CASE YOU COULDNT TELL
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July 02 2012 22:34 GMT
#267
Even if you think I'm scum, you shouldn't be lynching me tonight. You already know my role. Lynch me tomorrow when Saturn's going to shoot me, and find out someone's role today
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July 02 2012 22:35 GMT
#268
IS THERE A VOTE THREAD??!?!
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July 02 2012 22:44 GMT
#272
I can't tell my reasoning on saturn until tomorrow.

Top picks for lynch are ##Vote: Talisman
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July 02 2012 22:53 GMT
#274
THANK YOU SIR
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July 02 2012 23:01 GMT
#280
The same reasoning the I do everything for.

2nd choice is grush, but we'll see what happens there.
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July 02 2012 23:08 GMT
#285
He may be an easy pick, but thats because in SSB we can actually lynch lurkers to get them to be useful somehow without having lost a townie if we're wrong.
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July 02 2012 23:09 GMT
#286
Lol saturn, I completely agree with you on HRB. Disagree on Ceph though, because at least he believes in something enough to put up a bit of a fight.
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July 02 2012 23:15 GMT
#288
On July 03 2012 08:11 Mister Saturn wrote:
What? I am not talking about Cephiro.

- Hiro

Oh you were directing that to ceph. thought you meant HBR and ceph were both acting that way. okay, then completely agree
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July 03 2012 00:26 GMT
#298
On July 03 2012 09:14 Mister Saturn wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


Do you really not understand why it's scummy to target someone without providing any reasoning, push for a different lynch than the person you think is scum because revealing the role is more important, and then not provide any reasoning for why you think that person is scum.....

- Hiro

I don't have to worry about doing things that are borderline scummy because anyone with half a brain knows I'm town (So, everyone except Risen). Townies can all tell and you and your teammate know as well. You won't shoot me because you'll die too, so idgaf about your threats. Even on the off chance that you are town, you still know i'm town because two half-brains make a full-brain and so you can still tell, even if you're still pissed you got hurt.

At this point I just want to finish solving the game (85% done so far) and then sit back and watch it play out, with ceph grabbing tornados and LSB claiming arsonist everyone pushing people into lava.
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July 03 2012 15:00 GMT
#323
Thanks for posting Tali.

I don't want to lynch Saturn because I'm waiting for something.

##Vote grush7 or whatever
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July 03 2012 16:22 GMT
#331
Meta arguments are bad.
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July 03 2012 16:38 GMT
#339
Vote grush57


[image loading]

Shape up and start contributing.
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July 03 2012 16:51 GMT
#346
On July 04 2012 01:47 Mister Saturn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 01:42 HomerunBat wrote:

I don't understand how you can think iGrok is scum and yet aren't pushing him more. I explained a scenario where his actions could be interpreted as town, but you didn't comment on it.


I'm not pushing iGrok more because it doesn't matter; my position in the thread is officially shit and I won't be able to get him lynched. Luckily I have a gun and I can do what I want with it

Yes, I saw your thing about him possibly changing his mind and not wanting to admit it. I don't buy it; first because I don't think iGrok is that stubborn that he wouldn't admit that he changed his read, second the way he talks about me indicates that he still thinks I'm strongly scum.

- Hiro

CLARIFICATION:

YOU ARE SCUM
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July 03 2012 17:04 GMT
#349
talismania was a pressure vote and it worked.

Saturn is scum but we're waiting to kill him until tomorrow so we can see how tonight works out.

grush is a hyper-lurker who is doing jack-all, and is a good scummy candidate.

How is this difficult to follow?
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July 03 2012 17:32 GMT
#351
On July 04 2012 02:28 HomerunBat wrote:
Also cats. How is this difficult to follow?


[image loading]
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July 03 2012 17:37 GMT
#353
Maybe I should start posting in hex, it seems people followed better when I did that.
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July 03 2012 20:12 GMT
#371
I'd still rather lynch grush. Its going to be impossible to get any information out of him. Read his past games, nothing but oneliners the whole time.
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July 03 2012 20:13 GMT
#372
Oh wait, I forgot that this is the only way people can follow my thoughts:

492764207374696c6c20726174686572206c796e63682067727573682e2049747320676f696e6720746f20626520696d706f737369626c6520746f2067657420616e7920696e666f726d6174696f6e206f7574206f662068696d2e20526561642068697320706173742067616d65732c206e6f7468696e6720627574206f6e656c696e657273207468652077686f6c652074696d652e
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July 03 2012 21:00 GMT
#393
HBR, just because I don't tell you my reasoning doesn't mean I don't have any.
This might help:http://www.string-functions.com/hex-string.aspx
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July 03 2012 21:31 GMT
#415
On July 04 2012 06:29 Risen wrote:
Also.

##unvote
##vote: GRUSH57


BM is NOT the person you want to emulate when playing games with me.

JEsus you may be right... what if Grush is BM's smurf
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July 03 2012 21:35 GMT
#418
I could see either one. And both make me want to lynch the ever-loving hell out of grush
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July 03 2012 22:38 GMT
#477
Ok, got the game mostly figured out. One more relationship I need to prod. Looking forward to the night actions.
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July 03 2012 23:35 GMT
#508
On July 04 2012 07:46 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 07:45 HiroPro wrote:
It's hilarious how people actually think iGrok is doing something.


Agreed. His results shall come, just keep heading towards that light at the end of the tunnel! Wait... it's day 4 already? Where did all the other townies go?

Lol. Every time I've mentioned waiting, its been for Day2. Nice try though.
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July 04 2012 06:20 GMT
#513
changes to DK and kirby that I can spot. Anything else?
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July 04 2012 22:54 GMT
#587
dedede I want to buy you a cookie.

##push Risen
##Vote: grush57


Risen I won't push you if you claim.
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July 04 2012 22:54 GMT
#588
Do you guys mind if I wait to post until after the Zebes flip?
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July 04 2012 22:55 GMT
#589
Or I can post in a few hours (have a party to go to and then I'll finish the writeup when I get home)
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July 04 2012 23:02 GMT
#592
On July 05 2012 08:01 Cephiro wrote:
Going to go sleep, I'll be back in ~9 hours.

If the majority doesn't mind, I'll post which zone I want people to be in for the item when I'm back.

@iGrok, I'd really prefer to see those thoughts of yours asap... they better be posted when I wake up!

they will. Tell me where you want to me!
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July 05 2012 11:11 GMT
#651
When I got back from the party I crashed. Writing now, will post within 30 minutes

Sorry Ceph
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July 05 2012 11:55 GMT
#671
The Reasoning behind everything

When I got my role, I decided to play like Palmar. I would lead the town Day1, be balls-to-the-wall aggressive, and force scum into slipping that way. I don't really play this style ever, but I wanted to try it out.

To start off, Town needed some information to work with. Not a full massclaim, but something to keep D1 from being a random lynch. That's why I asked everyone to claim if they got their first choice. If we learned anything by doing this, the rest of the town roles (kirbys, yoshis, Ness, DK). As it turned out, this confirmed Saturn and Cephiro to be samuses, not because Grush claimed not-first pick, but because they confirmed it. This also means that grush was telling the truth, which as scum he shouldn't want to in that situation. dedede's claim was really unexpected but I like it, as long as there was Town KP they'd draw the shot before a busdriver.

Ceph and Saturn don't have to be one scum, but it was very likely. So I picked one of them to carry. Gut feeling said Saturn was scum, so I carried him

Then we needed a way to deal with items and locations. By making one person each night pick, I'd be able to learn their motives, and by going first I would see who tried to do anti-town things instead. The first list was literally running down the order. Then I decided to change things up a bit. I pulled out Risen and sat out Tali. Risen had posted a total of 1 times, so I sat him out. And I felt like Tali was sheeping me a little because his reads were similar, so I sat him as well. Then Risen exploded, and that fight was... revealing. At the time, to me he felt like a dumb townie more than scum, but he got a Grey box (I use Green, Red, and Gray shades to mark people - Gray means somethings not right but I don't get a strong scum vibe)

Unfortunately, I derped on my own location, but this was almost ok because it generated a fight that revealed something about Saturn. [/i]Saturn hates me and plans on shooting me, yet doesn't try to lynch me.[/i] This is a huge red flag, and solidified my scum read on him.

I still felt that one of Ceph and Saturn were scum. So, rather than lynch into them, I figured that we could let scum tell us. I wanted to wait on my reads until the next day to see who they shot, and then go after the other as scum. There was a small chance that neither was, but I'm basically playing a game of probabilities.

I wanted something to work with on each player. That's why I suggested lynching lurkers. I already had reads on the non-lurkers, but I needed something to work with on Grush and Tali to find the remaining scum. And it seemed to work pretty well, as voting for them got them typing and lynching grush gave us something to work with.

Imagine if we hadn't found out grush was a Falcon. You think he would have claimed the shot? With his activity record? I don't think so.

Honestly, what happened last night is obvious. Scum1 and Scum2 (grush) shot cephiro as a town kp that most people agreed was town. Thankfully, dedede bussed ceph out of the way, and Risen got shot instead. Unfortunately, this means I'm also down to 1/2 kp damage.

So the remaining question is who is the last scum? The answer is not quite that simple. Its either Risen or Mr.Saturn. The fact that Saturn said he would shoot me but didn't try to lynch me. Yeah, he voted for me but there was 0 pressure behind it. Saturn's behavior is incredibly scummy. And yet, he isn't who we should lynch or push. Assuming that all scum are included in the set of [grush, Risen, Saturn], town has this game won by tomorrow.

We push Risen. This kills him. It will also kill me, but I'm ok with that as long as town doesn't derp. Odds are he flips scum, but Regardless of Risn's Flip, we lynch grush, who we know is scum. This kills grush. So now, 2/3 scum candidates are gone. Finally, if Risen wasn't scum, Ceph can shoot Saturn at night, and lynch him the next day (or somehow do .5 damage to him). This is how you win and cover all your bases.

Again, sorry this is late, I crashed after the 4th of July party last night.

##Push: Risen
##Vote: Grush
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July 05 2012 12:05 GMT
#678
[image loading]
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#679
that was to risen btw
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July 05 2012 12:08 GMT
#681
On July 05 2012 21:06 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 20:57 HomerunBat wrote:
I don't want to close my mind to any possibility, but I think the simplest explanation in this case is true. You, Cephiro, and dedede are all 3 town.

Some people don't agree that you are town, but I really think you are. If you are scum, then good job screwing with my head.

Cephiro, I linked Risen's past games in an earlier post of mine. I'd like you to take a look. TL mafia LI and LIII.


You're probably right. I think the grush lynch will tell us a lot. Interesting that igrok wants to push me in and kill me, though. He'd be killing himself in the process. Means he REALLY thinks I'm scum.

I noted I'd be killing myself. But it's ok since the game is over as long as town doesn't go full derp mode
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July 05 2012 12:24 GMT
#690
@Saturn


At first I did think risen was just extremely derp town. He was playing too dumb to be scum. But then, look at his votes.

7:57 - iGrok
9:38 - HRB
5:47 - tali
6:29 - grush
6:59 - tali
This last minute switch is really important, because he was trying to save grush from a lynch, but missed a vote.

Risen tried to save grush from a lynch wit ha last minute switch.

What does that usually mean.

And even more, not 30 minutes later he says that his scum reads are Tali/grush
On July 04 2012 07:29 Risen wrote:
I think it's safe to assume that scum was on both sides. Tali/grush scum team imo

And then his next post:
On July 04 2012 07:39 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 07:38 iGrok wrote:
Ok, got the game mostly figured out. One more relationship I need to prod. Looking forward to the night actions.


I think you're wrong about me if you take anything from near voting time into account. I'm not talking alignment here.

Come on.

As for Tali, he's not super useful. But his spreadsheet tracking reads is really nice, because it lets us see who doesn't follow up their reads with pressure. Scum absolutely hate that. But even more, he isn't scum becasue [grush, risen, Saturn]P2 are.

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July 05 2012 12:27 GMT
#693
On July 05 2012 21:27 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 20:10 Risen wrote:
Also, I saw earlier someone questioning my vote swap, so here's a counter question. Why are you asking?

My vote swap literally meant nothing. It didn't affect the game at all. Asking that question and trying to cast doubt on me is scummy as shit. The answer is bci wanted tali lynched, though. Seems fairly obvious to me. I wasn't comfortable with Cephiro's late vote on grush one bit.


"My vote swap literally meant nothing. It didn't affect the game at all."

Mafia Quote of the Year?

I know rite?
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July 05 2012 12:34 GMT
#697
On July 05 2012 21:29 HomerunBat wrote:
I think pushing Risen is going to result in two dead townies.

I'm willing to take that risk. Town will still have a 4-2 advantage.
IF Risen is scum, here's what we end up with:
Town:
Cephiro
kingdedede
talismania
HRB

Scum:
Grush
Saturn


As long as the town doesn't go full derp (never go full derp), that is an easily winnable situation.
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July 05 2012 12:35 GMT
#698
EBWOP:
IF Risen ISN'T scum
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July 05 2012 13:02 GMT
#708
you like your case more than mine because in yours you don't die and get to shoot people.
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July 05 2012 13:05 GMT
#710
On July 05 2012 22:03 Risen wrote:
do I need to re pm hosts if I only sent push cephiro and not ##push cephiro?

Lol. You know what would take less effort asking this? Just PMing ##push. So why are you saying this in public?
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July 05 2012 13:17 GMT
#715
Lol, you're attacking my credibility as a host? What?

Anyways, your "case" is that Cephiro and dedede are scum together? Is that right?


Ok, for the moment I'll suspend my read on you.
I just... literally everyone is scummier than those two. Literally. Even me. I don't understand why you think they are scum, other than that its a convenient reasoning for the night actions. But this means that they would have had to plan it since the early part of Day1 when dedede claimed (10 hours into D1). So their goal was to make Ceph look like a townie. But lets look at their other actions.

Cephiro fully supports the Kingmaker plan. dedede also fully supports it.
But most importantly, dedede pushes a lynch off of tali. if the scum team is Ceph&dedede, he wouldn't do that.
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July 05 2012 13:23 GMT
#717
Push Risen. Kill us both. Then lynch grush.
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July 05 2012 13:25 GMT
#720
HRB, no. Read my post, and even if Saturn is scum, this is how to do it.

Pushing Saturn accomplishes nothing.
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July 05 2012 13:25 GMT
#721
On July 05 2012 22:25 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 22:17 iGrok wrote:
Lol, you're attacking my credibility as a host? What?

Anyways, your "case" is that Cephiro and dedede are scum together? Is that right?


Ok, for the moment I'll suspend my read on you.
I just... literally everyone is scummier than those two. Literally. Even me. I don't understand why you think they are scum, other than that its a convenient reasoning for the night actions. But this means that they would have had to plan it since the early part of Day1 when dedede claimed (10 hours into D1). So their goal was to make Ceph look like a townie. But lets look at their other actions.

Cephiro fully supports the Kingmaker plan. dedede also fully supports it.
But most importantly, dedede pushes a lynch off of tali. if the scum team is Ceph&dedede, he wouldn't do that.


Why not? He pushes it from one townie to another in that scenario. I'm not saying it's rock solid. I'm all for lynching grush right now. If he flips town I think my case gains a lot of steam, if he's scum I'm going to die but then I think it narrows it down to tali/ms as the last scum.

Yes, we'll lynch grush.

But we're pushing you first.
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July 05 2012 13:29 GMT
#723
On July 05 2012 22:27 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 22:23 iGrok wrote:
Push Risen. Kill us both. Then lynch grush.


I'm not carrying you I'm carrying cephiro. I like the ms push since that pretty much makes you invulnerable should ms be scum.

When did you switch your carry?
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July 05 2012 13:32 GMT
#726
How does pushing Saturn make me "invulnerable" lol.

You think Ceph and dedede are scum so you want to push saturn?
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July 05 2012 13:34 GMT
#727
Risen says that pushing him won't kill me. Seeing as I was willing to push him before, I'm super willing to now. Shove him into the magma!
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July 05 2012 13:35 GMT
#730
I mean, was it at night or today
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July 05 2012 14:02 GMT
#739
@HRB:
I'm more convinced Risen is scum than Saturn. Thats why.
But, you've given me an idea. Ceph, will you shoot saturn tonight?
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July 05 2012 14:18 GMT
#743
Please stop talking. Don't BM me for "not reading your case" when you have yet to read (or at least respond) to mine.

Almost everything you do is scummy. Your initial play wasn't, I marked you down as dumb town with a light green shade. But everything since then has made you scummier and scummier. Now you're trying to throw setup bullshit into my logic? I think I said this before, but don't try to use setup reasoning with the guy who invented the game, because you're going to lose that fight.

You're fighting for your life, and I get that as scum that is scary for you. But you're going to die and you'll just have to accept that. Because the game has been solved even with the contingency that Saturn is scum, I'm not really worried about anything you do here. But stop spewing you inane accusations and insults like you think its a case, and just roll over and die.
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July 05 2012 14:19 GMT
#744
And now I'm done responding to anything you say. I'm off to work now, I'll try to respond to people who aren't scum. Ceph if you could get back to me about shooting Saturn I'd appreciate it.
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July 05 2012 15:01 GMT
#749
On July 05 2012 23:51 HomerunBat wrote:
iGrok, you have done nothing this game to earn the right to call the shots.

I'm going to repost this, so it doesn't get buried.
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On July 05 2012 21:10 Mister Saturn wrote:
Anyway, I still think Talismania might be scum. However I'm fine with pushing risen (I'll have to see what hiro thinks before we change our actions) since he might be scum (although I don't think he is, i still think his explosion at the start seemed townish) and since I still think you might be scum who is only just now trying the "bwahaha, I planned it all along I was playing scummy on purpose to see how people react" gambit.


How in the fuck is this not our push target for today?

iGrok and Cephiro, you are both wrong on Risen.

I want to ask you exactly what has he been fighting for for the past little bit? He is all-out fighting to switch the kill order from grush->risen->Mr. S to grush->Mr. S->risen? Why? He knows he's dead if Mr.S flips town anyway. Do the tone of his posts really suggest he is fighting extra hard to die a little bit later, or is it more likely that he is town and is honestly pissed that he is going to be killed for no reason?

Scum in this situation do what Mr. S is doing: clam up.

Also, I've said before to go look at TL Mafia LI. I'm not just saying that for my health. You may not love meta, but go look at that game and tell me you don't see a lot of the same stuff there as here.

Look as well at how Risen has been addressing grush. What kind of scum, in an attempt to save a teammate, first announces that said teammate is 'confirmed town,' announces he will be late vote switching, and then after the fact says SORRY BRO I TRIED. You can call that WIFOM if you want, but I don't. The simplest explanation there is that they are not teammates.

I want to hear from dedede and Talis. I want you both to consider what I said and ##push Mr. Saturn.

iGrok and Cephiro, same thing.

I want us all to push Mr. Saturn today, and have Cephiro blow his shit up on N2.


Oh, I'm sorry, finding an endgame solution doesn't qualify me to call the shots. Right. My bad.

Honestly its 6 of one, half-a-dozen of the other. If Ceph says he'll shoot Saturn tonight, I'm fine with pushing him first and lynching Risen D3. Like I said, it doesn't matter which of [grush, Risen, Saturn] are scum, because two of them are and we can kill them all and there isn't anything they can do about it.

Risen's being a complete ass, spamming 4 posts in a row, getting really mad, etc. Honestly at this point I'm tuning everything he says out, so idk which he sounds like more. But, it doesn't matter.

GG, I won the game, scum plz surrender already.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
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July 05 2012 17:39 GMT
#771
It doesn't matter if I die because no matter which combination of [grush,risen,saturn] is scum, we still win.
This is also why I don't care what order we kill people in. I suggested Risen first because I had a slightly stronger read on him, but I really don't care what the order is. As long as town does fuck this up (HRB, I'm looking at you), we can't lose.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
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July 05 2012 17:39 GMT
#772
And no, I'm not "dead today no matter what".

I'm not going to be lynched.
I'm not going to be pushed.
I'm not going to try to get an item.

The earliest I can be killed is tonight, and thats only if scum shoots me.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
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July 05 2012 17:45 GMT
#774
And then Ceph gets to snipe you tonight (since you take the .5 from me dying)
Honestly even that doesn't bother me.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 18:51 GMT
#781
I need to know if you're going to shoot Saturn tonight. If so, we push him. If not, we kill Riven and I sacrifice myself in a blaze of glory
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
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July 05 2012 19:07 GMT
#786
HRB you keep whining that we should push Saturn first to kill him first, so since it doesn't fucking matter I'm talking to ceph to make sure he understands it.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 19:07 GMT
#788
I don't believe for a second that Risen pushed himself.

So HRB/Tali can you please push Risen so we can be sure
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 19:12 GMT
#790
On July 06 2012 04:07 Mister Saturn wrote:
If iGrok truly believed that the two scum were between grush,Risen, and me, he would know that it doesn't matter one bit whether Cephiro shoots me tonight or not. It would be a town win regardless.

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On July 05 2012 21:08 iGrok wrote:
But it's ok since the game is over as long as town doesn't go full derp mode


On July 05 2012 21:34 iGrok wrote:
I'm willing to take that risk. Town will still have a 4-2 advantage.


On July 05 2012 23:18 iGrok wrote:
Because the game has been solved even with the contingency that Saturn is scum, I'm not really worried about anything you do here.


On July 06 2012 00:01 iGrok wrote:
it doesn't matter which of [grush, Risen, Saturn] are scum, because two of them are and we can kill them all and there isn't anything they can do about it..


On July 06 2012 02:39 iGrok wrote:
It doesn't matter if I die because no matter which combination of [grush,risen,saturn] is scum, we still win.
This is also why I don't care what order we kill people in.

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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 19:19 GMT
#793
I've seen enough towns derp away a sure victory that I want to be sure.

Especially since you (Hiro) seem insistent on mucking about in thread.

S&B is playing with a level head, while you still seem to have your panties in a wad because I made you lose a stock. Bring S&B back, he's frankly better than you despite putting in (what seems like) less effort.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 19:27 GMT
#797
So just to clarify as I'm throwing myself away, Hiro who are your two scumreads?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 19:34 GMT
#801
On July 06 2012 04:31 HiroPro wrote:
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On July 06 2012 04:27 iGrok wrote:
So just to clarify as I'm throwing myself away, Hiro who are your two scumreads?


You and talismania. And yes I do believe that you are scum killing yourself. It wouldn't be the first time.

I expect an apology from you in 2.5 hours.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 19:48 GMT
#803
and S&B who is your other read?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 19:57 GMT
#806
On July 06 2012 04:56 talismania wrote:
they think it's me + you, iGrok. But that should be disproven when risen/you and grush flips.

Hiro thinks its me and you. IDK about S&B

As an aside, thats why i dislike hydras
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 20:02 GMT
#809
Saturn, will you be voting for grush tonight?

Assume for the moment that I flip town and Risen flips something.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 20:03 GMT
#810
Yeah, I don't like hydras because I can't fault you for having inconsistent reads. Its really frustrating to play against someone with a built-in excuse for contradictions.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 20:31 GMT
#813
Tali starts out with similar reads to my own, including ones I hadn't made public. So, he starts off on the right foot. Volunteering to sit out is weird, but its something that a townie who is trying to do as little damage as possible would do. Then he creates a spreadsheet to track everyone's accusations. This is an easy thing for scum to do for credit, but it also hurts scum because they can't ever contradict themselves. Since I'm already leaning town, its a pro-town move. And finally, he nails it on the head that grush shot cephiro instead of one of the people he (grush) said was scum. All these things combined say he's town. He's not taking a leadership role this game, but thats fine - too many leaders can fuck towns over.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 20:42 GMT
#815
On July 06 2012 05:41 Risen wrote:
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On July 06 2012 05:31 iGrok wrote:
Tali starts out with similar reads to my own, including ones I hadn't made public. So, he starts off on the right foot. Volunteering to sit out is weird, but its something that a townie who is trying to do as little damage as possible would do. Then he creates a spreadsheet to track everyone's accusations. This is an easy thing for scum to do for credit, but it also hurts scum because they can't ever contradict themselves. Since I'm already leaning town, its a pro-town move. And finally, he nails it on the head that grush shot cephiro instead of one of the people he (grush) said was scum. All these things combined say he's town. He's not taking a leadership role this game, but thats fine - too many leaders can fuck towns over.


Hmm, is he buddying tali so when he flips scum tali is safe bc he's buddying him? Too wifom I guess.

Just don't let this affect your reads on tali people. (I'm assuming igrok flips scum. If he's town disregard previous statement.)

Look! He's almost there. So close to covering all the possibilities of his theory! If only he could reach a little farther!

I also like how I'm no longer positively flipping scum, I'm just something.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 20:50 GMT
#817
Whatever baby, I'll meet you in hell in an hour!
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 21:59 GMT
#819
Alright guys, so I'm about to die with Risen. Don't feel bad for me though, town has this game locked up. I only ask that you be sure that my death is not in vain. Lynch Grush tonight. And remember, if Risen flips town, murder the ever-loving hell out of Saturn, who is clearly a communist and a threat to FREEDOM. I know I've played like Palmar this game, but don't fail me.

Saturn and Risen, I expect an apology.

I only regret that I have but one life to give for my Town.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 06 2012 20:41 GMT
#887
Hiro you are really bad at smurfing lol
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 07 2012 23:24 GMT
#1030
Well, tits. GG
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 07 2012 23:34 GMT
#1041
At least I had fun lol.

I'm not the best scumhunter, but it was fun to be leader for a while

And yeah, calling out literally every player is not scumhunting.

Players In the game
1) Igrok
2) Cephiro
3) Mister Saturn
4) grush57
5) talismania
6) kingdedede
7) HomerunBat
8) Risen

Players Risen called scum:
1) Igrok
2) Cephiro
3) Mister Saturn
4) grush57
5) talismania
6) kingdedede
7) HomerunBat
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 07 2012 23:34 GMT
#1044
All in all, it was a cool game. TY to Toad for hosting IN ALL CAPS
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 08 2012 01:09 GMT
#1050
The funniest thing is that DK is the least-chosen role in IRC (even Luigi gets picked more).
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 08 2012 01:28 GMT
#1053
On July 08 2012 10:15 Toadesstern wrote:
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On July 08 2012 10:09 iGrok wrote:
The funniest thing is that DK is the least-chosen role in IRC (even Luigi gets picked more).

DK used to be just a VET right? I actually never played IRC with this DK if I remember correctly.
The VET-DK was kind of boring to play so I get why people didn't choose him and I also get why people picked DK in this game, it looked like a really cool char to actually do stuff.

No, originally it was just "target loses stock every time he is lynched"

Giant DK is the Vet
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