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TOP LEFT Mister Saturn (HiroPro + strongandbig)
TOP MID Cephiro
TOP RIGHT grush57
BOT LEFT HomerunBat (ShiaoPi + s0Lstice)
BOT MID kingdedede (Artanis[Xp] + Acrofales)
BOT RIGHT iGrok
SIT OUT Risen
SIT OUT talismania
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ITEMS: TOP LEFT Mister Saturn (HiroPro + strongandbig) TOP MID Cephiro TOP RIGHT grush57 BOT LEFT HomerunBat (ShiaoPi + s0Lstice) BOT MID kingdedede (Artanis[Xp] + Acrofales) BOT RIGHT iGrok SIT OUT Risen SIT OUT talismania | ||
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Do i need to make a graphic representation? | ||
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On July 03 2012 04:25 talismania wrote: bah I wanted to stand in the middle :-( ____________ random hypothesis: toad picked alignments after character select so that he could guarantee a balanced game (aka he did not do it randomly). otherwise I don't see why we picked characters first and couldn't talk and all that which was half the fun (and half the information) in pick your power. Therefore I hypothesize that cephiro and mister saturn are not both mafia, because that sounds kind of broken. The other possible configurations sound reasonable though. I can confirm that your hypothesis is correct because thats how you run SSB64 | ||
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On July 03 2012 05:19 Risen wrote: Then why isn't the game balanced around everyone having 2 stock? Or 1 stock? It's 3 stock for a reason. As the guy who made the game, I'll tell you why. A) Starting stock was going to be an integer B) 2 Stock leads to games that are too fast C) 4 Stock leads to games that are too long | ||
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And jesus its not a fucking "DO THIS TO WIN AS TOWN" plan, that doesn't exist. Its a "DO THIS TO MITIGATE SCUM ADVANTAGE BY CONFUSION" plan, because in SSB64, Town has a built-in balance advantage if they can avoid confusion and limit info scum has that town does not. And you seem to be doing your best to add to the confusion. So what conclusions should we draw from that? | ||
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On July 03 2012 06:51 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2012 06:44 kingdedede wrote: Why do you think it's worse off for Town than Mafia, Risen? How would splitting up the players over the three spots help town? Either way, the chance of hitting town compared to scum is 'equal' in that the expected value doesn't change. The only thing that changes by changing spots is variance, and I haven't heard an argument that the higher variance leads to a better outcome for Town. What's better, (potentially) all of town and mafia losing .5kp or only some of town and some of mafia (potentially for mafia, guaranteed for town) losing .5kp. I think option 2 is better for town. That's what it comes down to. You think that guaranteeing that town loses stock for the chance that not all townies will and a scum will is better than keeping everyone equal. Are you fucking kidding me. This is seriously the most pants-on-head-retarded argument I've ever seen you make. | ||
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On July 03 2012 06:54 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2012 06:50 Cephiro wrote: Because you're clearly smarter than me, would you care to explain more in-detail why do you consider that both factions losing percentually the same amount of stock out of their total, thus the ratio staying the same, is worse off for town? If I understood right, you'd rather do a 3-2-3 split. Assuming there are 2 scum, best case scenario is if both scum end up in the middle and a tornado hits them both. Chances of this happening is (1/3)*(1/4)*(1/7) ~ 1,18% Worst case scenario is that it hits three townies: (1/3)*(3/4)*(5/7)*(2/3) ~ 11,19% The chance of worst case scenario happening for town is almost 10 times higher than scum, if my math is not wrong. Can you explain me why your plan is better? Especially as iGrok's plan only has a 33% chance of anyone taking damage, and if it happens, we all take damage in an equal ratio. End ratio isn't equal. Someone else posted on this. Stand where you want to stand people, don't be directed. No information comes from all of us standing on a single square. Damage outweighs benefits imo. Think that sums well. NO, HE POSTED THAT THE END RATIOS ARE EQUAL. QUIT BEING OBTUSE. | ||
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On July 03 2012 07:00 kingdedede wrote: iGrok, why are you ignoring me? Show nested quote + On July 03 2012 04:54 kingdedede wrote: iGrok: why is Risen getting benched for an item? Sure, I can make up my own explanation. I want to hear your reasoning for this when you made the decision. Answer it about Tali as well while you're at it. Not ignoring you sorry, attention is kind of split atm. Risen was originally benched because he hadn't done anything and if he was going to lurk I didn't want him getting an item. Tali wasn't benched for any particular reason. | ||
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On July 03 2012 07:02 Risen wrote: Show nested quote + On July 03 2012 07:00 iGrok wrote: On July 03 2012 06:54 Risen wrote: On July 03 2012 06:50 Cephiro wrote: Because you're clearly smarter than me, would you care to explain more in-detail why do you consider that both factions losing percentually the same amount of stock out of their total, thus the ratio staying the same, is worse off for town? If I understood right, you'd rather do a 3-2-3 split. Assuming there are 2 scum, best case scenario is if both scum end up in the middle and a tornado hits them both. Chances of this happening is (1/3)*(1/4)*(1/7) ~ 1,18% Worst case scenario is that it hits three townies: (1/3)*(3/4)*(5/7)*(2/3) ~ 11,19% The chance of worst case scenario happening for town is almost 10 times higher than scum, if my math is not wrong. Can you explain me why your plan is better? Especially as iGrok's plan only has a 33% chance of anyone taking damage, and if it happens, we all take damage in an equal ratio. End ratio isn't equal. Someone else posted on this. Stand where you want to stand people, don't be directed. No information comes from all of us standing on a single square. Damage outweighs benefits imo. Think that sums well. NO, HE POSTED THAT THE END RATIOS ARE EQUAL. QUIT BEING OBTUSE. Don't post in big caps. I was wrong on that, cool. Fact remains we have a smaller buffer. No need to shout. I'm almost 100% iGrok is scum. He doesn't get heated like this usually. I DO NEED TO POST IN CAPS BECAUSE APPARENTLY IF I DON'T IT FLIES RIGHT OVER YOUR HEAD. I'M HAVING TO SMACK YOU IN THE FACE WITH OBVIOUS LOGIC AND YOUR DERPING UP OF THE THREAD IS STARTING TO ANNOY ME. | ||
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There a literally 0 things in the game that would result in me losing .5 stock other than a tornado. (No bombs have been dropped). | ||
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List of .5 kp: Tornado Link Bomb Motion Sensor Bomb I didn't get hit by a tornado There are no Link Bombs MSBs act at night (and havent appeared yet anyways) | ||
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