On July 08 2012 09:29 Toadesstern wrote:
Oh and btw, it's really sad it was over so soon but with all those DK's and that shitton of damage early on it really was over so quickly. It's a multilive game and it was over after the 2nd life due to the incredible damage potential because everyone went for DMG-stuff :p

Not a single ness in the set-up.
2 DK's who boost the dmg A LOT and talis (Kirby) pm's me
"sup Toad, I don't want to ##eat Igrok because he's DK and I don't want the a DK ability, therefore I'm eating Risen instead" which made me laugh so badly because Risen was the 2nd DK, so even more damage output. And I pm'ed him back
"good job dodging that Igrok DK bro, you ate Risen this night and ended up getting a DK ability"

Omg that's hilarious XD sorry tail

When choosing I saw the potential of a DK chain and couldn't help picking him for that reason alone. That got hotfixed, but still a hilariously powerful hero with insane draw potential lol. A shame our two DKs went after each other so hard. I carried Igrol bc of his weird choice of ms as his initial carry target, and given the option would have been carrying cephiro when I was cast into the lava to save igrok (I didn't actually vote to lava myself guys lol)

I'm still confused why with both recently lynched townies screaming for a grush lynch you decided against it. Seems to me given the possible team combos it's the most logical lynch. What were your thoughts when deciding to not lynch grush? His lynch gives so much information.

Risen

United States7927 Posts

July 08 2012 01:10 GMT

#1051

Makes sense and I'll keep that in mind for future histock games.

Risen

United States7927 Posts

July 08 2012 03:03 GMT

#1061

It was clear to me, and should have been clear to anyone paying attention to night 1 results, that if cephiro was scum then dedede was scum as well. How else would you explain the divine providence of cephiro being protected from a vig AND the "bounced" mafia KP onto a townie. It was a brilliant bold move from dedede and cephiro and it's something I would do as scum, which is why I harped on it a bit before giving up since no one else seemed to think either could possibly be scum. This is why I wanted the grush lynch so desperately. Grush town was a legit nail in the coffin for cephiro/dedede b/c it required divine amounts of luck for a ms/hrb/tali scum team to exist. I'm still waiting on an answer as to why grush wasn't lynched following the igrok/risen suicide pact.

Risen

United States7927 Posts

July 08 2012 03:07 GMT

#1063

On July 08 2012 12:06 s0Lstice wrote:
oh that's easy + Show Spoiler +

he was town

A town lynch that pretty much confirmed cephiro/dedede team as scum. What was grush doing for anyone this game? His lynch provides SO MUCH information considering how little he contributed.

Risen

United States7927 Posts

July 08 2012 03:24 GMT

#1065

On July 08 2012 12:11 s0Lstice wrote:
The people who needed to know grush was town already did. There was no need to kill him. He had a vig shot left to boot.

Tali's flip was the one we needed to see. The problem is his flip meant gg.

Wrong, because grush only had .5kp and tali still had 3. You had to go all in on tali being scum when you lynched him. With a grush lynch flipping town you still had options.

Risen

United States7927 Posts

July 08 2012 05:33 GMT

#1067

On July 08 2012 12:43 s0Lstice wrote:
I just typed a bunch about how you are completely wrong, but that's not true. You are right in a way.

I can say that from my standpoint, actually seeing grush flip would not have stopped me from pushing for a Talis kill.

Cephiro could not have pushed grush late after he was dead obviously, so there is a strong chance he would have chosen to go after Talis instead. Since I read Ceph and Talis as scum, I probably would have thought it was a last-ditch bus.

Mr. S, I can't say for sure, but I think he still would have been on-board with Talis as well after a grush flip. They read Talis as scum all game.

The only person who would know who the scum team was via grush flip was Talis. I suppose there is a chance he could have convinced me, but I really doubt it. My mind was just so closed to dedede being scum, and I wasted the opportunity to engage him during N2.

All-in-all, I don't think it would have changed the outcome much. Still though, we may have had a slightly higher chance at winning with a dead grush.

Hadn't considered that. You're probably right that regardless of grush flipping town tali was going to be the next to go especially since he would be the other lynch candidate for 2 days in a row at that point. I feel bad for turning the game into a Risen vs. Igrok fest for quite some time, I just couldn't believe he actually thought he had "solved" anything where there was SO much that could still be in the air. I also wasn't convinced by anything he said regarding his decision to carry ms. Add onto this my feelings that the only people who "know" anything in a game are scum and I became gradually more and more convinced removing him would benefit town b/c it was clear if he was a townie he was blind to reason (convinced he had solved the game = unable to talk to) and if he was scum he was just shitting up the thread with inane arguments. My mistake, sorry guys.

Risen

United States7927 Posts

July 09 2012 18:31 GMT

#1082

"if he learned to control his rage and angst i think he'd be a really good player"

Yup...

Edit: God damn Acro reading that makes me sad lol. You guys played a very good game.