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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 12:05 GMT
#678
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 12:06 GMT
#679
that was to risen btw
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 12:08 GMT
#681
On July 05 2012 21:06 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 20:57 HomerunBat wrote:
I don't want to close my mind to any possibility, but I think the simplest explanation in this case is true. You, Cephiro, and dedede are all 3 town.

Some people don't agree that you are town, but I really think you are. If you are scum, then good job screwing with my head.

Cephiro, I linked Risen's past games in an earlier post of mine. I'd like you to take a look. TL mafia LI and LIII.


You're probably right. I think the grush lynch will tell us a lot. Interesting that igrok wants to push me in and kill me, though. He'd be killing himself in the process. Means he REALLY thinks I'm scum.

I noted I'd be killing myself. But it's ok since the game is over as long as town doesn't go full derp mode
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 12:24 GMT
#690
@Saturn


At first I did think risen was just extremely derp town. He was playing too dumb to be scum. But then, look at his votes.

7:57 - iGrok
9:38 - HRB
5:47 - tali
6:29 - grush
6:59 - tali
This last minute switch is really important, because he was trying to save grush from a lynch, but missed a vote.

Risen tried to save grush from a lynch wit ha last minute switch.

What does that usually mean.

And even more, not 30 minutes later he says that his scum reads are Tali/grush
On July 04 2012 07:29 Risen wrote:
I think it's safe to assume that scum was on both sides. Tali/grush scum team imo

And then his next post:
On July 04 2012 07:39 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 07:38 iGrok wrote:
Ok, got the game mostly figured out. One more relationship I need to prod. Looking forward to the night actions.


I think you're wrong about me if you take anything from near voting time into account. I'm not talking alignment here.

Come on.

As for Tali, he's not super useful. But his spreadsheet tracking reads is really nice, because it lets us see who doesn't follow up their reads with pressure. Scum absolutely hate that. But even more, he isn't scum becasue [grush, risen, Saturn]P2 are.

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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 12:27 GMT
#693
On July 05 2012 21:27 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 20:10 Risen wrote:
Also, I saw earlier someone questioning my vote swap, so here's a counter question. Why are you asking?

My vote swap literally meant nothing. It didn't affect the game at all. Asking that question and trying to cast doubt on me is scummy as shit. The answer is bci wanted tali lynched, though. Seems fairly obvious to me. I wasn't comfortable with Cephiro's late vote on grush one bit.


"My vote swap literally meant nothing. It didn't affect the game at all."

Mafia Quote of the Year?

I know rite?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 12:34 GMT
#697
On July 05 2012 21:29 HomerunBat wrote:
I think pushing Risen is going to result in two dead townies.

I'm willing to take that risk. Town will still have a 4-2 advantage.
IF Risen is scum, here's what we end up with:
Town:
Cephiro
kingdedede
talismania
HRB

Scum:
Grush
Saturn


As long as the town doesn't go full derp (never go full derp), that is an easily winnable situation.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 12:35 GMT
#698
EBWOP:
IF Risen ISN'T scum
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 13:02 GMT
#708
you like your case more than mine because in yours you don't die and get to shoot people.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 13:05 GMT
#710
On July 05 2012 22:03 Risen wrote:
do I need to re pm hosts if I only sent push cephiro and not ##push cephiro?

Lol. You know what would take less effort asking this? Just PMing ##push. So why are you saying this in public?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 13:17 GMT
#715
Lol, you're attacking my credibility as a host? What?

Anyways, your "case" is that Cephiro and dedede are scum together? Is that right?


Ok, for the moment I'll suspend my read on you.
I just... literally everyone is scummier than those two. Literally. Even me. I don't understand why you think they are scum, other than that its a convenient reasoning for the night actions. But this means that they would have had to plan it since the early part of Day1 when dedede claimed (10 hours into D1). So their goal was to make Ceph look like a townie. But lets look at their other actions.

Cephiro fully supports the Kingmaker plan. dedede also fully supports it.
But most importantly, dedede pushes a lynch off of tali. if the scum team is Ceph&dedede, he wouldn't do that.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 13:23 GMT
#717
Push Risen. Kill us both. Then lynch grush.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 13:25 GMT
#720
HRB, no. Read my post, and even if Saturn is scum, this is how to do it.

Pushing Saturn accomplishes nothing.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 13:25 GMT
#721
On July 05 2012 22:25 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 22:17 iGrok wrote:
Lol, you're attacking my credibility as a host? What?

Anyways, your "case" is that Cephiro and dedede are scum together? Is that right?


Ok, for the moment I'll suspend my read on you.
I just... literally everyone is scummier than those two. Literally. Even me. I don't understand why you think they are scum, other than that its a convenient reasoning for the night actions. But this means that they would have had to plan it since the early part of Day1 when dedede claimed (10 hours into D1). So their goal was to make Ceph look like a townie. But lets look at their other actions.

Cephiro fully supports the Kingmaker plan. dedede also fully supports it.
But most importantly, dedede pushes a lynch off of tali. if the scum team is Ceph&dedede, he wouldn't do that.


Why not? He pushes it from one townie to another in that scenario. I'm not saying it's rock solid. I'm all for lynching grush right now. If he flips town I think my case gains a lot of steam, if he's scum I'm going to die but then I think it narrows it down to tali/ms as the last scum.

Yes, we'll lynch grush.

But we're pushing you first.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 13:29 GMT
#723
On July 05 2012 22:27 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 22:23 iGrok wrote:
Push Risen. Kill us both. Then lynch grush.


I'm not carrying you I'm carrying cephiro. I like the ms push since that pretty much makes you invulnerable should ms be scum.

When did you switch your carry?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 13:32 GMT
#726
How does pushing Saturn make me "invulnerable" lol.

You think Ceph and dedede are scum so you want to push saturn?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 13:34 GMT
#727
Risen says that pushing him won't kill me. Seeing as I was willing to push him before, I'm super willing to now. Shove him into the magma!
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 13:35 GMT
#730
I mean, was it at night or today
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 14:02 GMT
#739
@HRB:
I'm more convinced Risen is scum than Saturn. Thats why.
But, you've given me an idea. Ceph, will you shoot saturn tonight?
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 14:18 GMT
#743
Please stop talking. Don't BM me for "not reading your case" when you have yet to read (or at least respond) to mine.

Almost everything you do is scummy. Your initial play wasn't, I marked you down as dumb town with a light green shade. But everything since then has made you scummier and scummier. Now you're trying to throw setup bullshit into my logic? I think I said this before, but don't try to use setup reasoning with the guy who invented the game, because you're going to lose that fight.

You're fighting for your life, and I get that as scum that is scary for you. But you're going to die and you'll just have to accept that. Because the game has been solved even with the contingency that Saturn is scum, I'm not really worried about anything you do here. But stop spewing you inane accusations and insults like you think its a case, and just roll over and die.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 05 2012 14:19 GMT
#744
And now I'm done responding to anything you say. I'm off to work now, I'll try to respond to people who aren't scum. Ceph if you could get back to me about shooting Saturn I'd appreciate it.
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