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HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 06 2012 20:21 GMT
#881
Artanis, if you want town to win, you need to vote Talis.

Look at his defense, he still, STILL cannot name a single person and build a case on them. It's all association play, without a scum flip.

Look at his 'why I'm town section.' Are any of those strong points?

*PING*
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 06 2012 20:22 GMT
#882
On July 07 2012 05:07 kingdedede wrote:
Alright, I'm home. My first instinct is to keep the lynch on Grush. The counterpressure that started to develop on Talis makes me happy as it makes it a real possibility. Tali's post makes sense and if Grush flips scum we'll know where to look (hi MisterSaturn). His play has also been lackluster. There's not a single post in his filter longer than two sentences which is pretty much as antitown as it gets, as it gives almost no information about his alignment other than that he's not willing to put in the effort to help town.

Hiro/Saturn, what do you think of Tali's recent post?


I think he's scum.

He talks about me being scum but then all he can support with is hypothetical statements about me being frustrated and partners with grush. And then he spends the rest of his post talking about possible scum team partnerships and why they may/may not work.

Artanis, he's flat-out ignoring scumhunting. He made absolutely no attempt to logically refute the things that HomerunBat and I have brought up. He talks about how he couldn't possibly be scum because he ate Risen (we have absolutely no way of knowing if this is true - talismania only brought up the fact that he ate Risen after Risen already roleclaimed) and that doesn't even have anything to do with whether or not he is scum - scum want to find out what roles people have also. And then he talks about how scum team combinations don't work with him...

- Hiro
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 06 2012 20:23 GMT
#883
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 07 2012 05:07 kingdedede wrote:
Alright, I'm home. My first instinct is to keep the lynch on Grush. The counterpressure that started to develop on Talis makes me happy as it makes it a real possibility. Tali's post makes sense and if Grush flips scum we'll know where to look (hi MisterSaturn). His play has also been lackluster. There's not a single post in his filter longer than two sentences which is pretty much as antitown as it gets, as it gives almost no information about his alignment other than that he's not willing to put in the effort to help town.

Hiro/Saturn, what do you think of Tali's recent post?


I think he's scum.

He talks about me being scum but then all he can support with is hypothetical statements about me being frustrated and partners with grush. And then he spends the rest of his post talking about possible scum team partnerships and why they may/may not work.

Artanis, he's flat-out ignoring scumhunting. He made absolutely no attempt to logically refute the things that HomerunBat and I have brought up. He talks about how he couldn't possibly be scum because he ate Risen (we have absolutely no way of knowing if this is true - talismania only brought up the fact that he ate Risen after Risen already roleclaimed) and that doesn't even have anything to do with whether or not he is scum - scum want to find out what roles people have also. And then he talks about how scum team combinations don't work with him...

- Hiro
mmaaawww
HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 06 2012 20:33 GMT
#884
I said this before, but just so you know the stakes, if grush flips town (and he will) then it's going to be up to you to win a WIFOM war to keep saturn alive. If you guess wrong it's gg. This is basically MYLO.
*PING*
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 20:39 GMT
#885
hmm it can't really be mister saturn + Hrb can it? I'm always worried about people who are certain that other people are going to flip town (Hrb knew risen was town too).
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 20:40 GMT
#886
grush if you're really town then what the fuck have you been doing all game
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
July 06 2012 20:41 GMT
#887
Hiro you are really bad at smurfing lol
MOTM | Stim.tv | TL Mafia | Fantasy Fighting! | SNSD
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 06 2012 20:45 GMT
#888
On July 07 2012 05:41 iGrok wrote:
Hiro you are really bad at smurfing lol


I know

I think if I ever do this again, I'm putting my smurf account on my main browser so I don't have to remember to switch browsers.
mmaaawww
kingdedede
Profile Joined June 2012
Kazakhstan80 Posts
July 06 2012 20:45 GMT
#889
Well, at least I have 1 hour and 15 min to think about this. I don't like making connections before scum flips, as it's a great way for scum to waste time discussing things that aren't important. Grush does feel like an easy target given how bad he's been playing this game. The problem with lynching Talis over Grush is that we learn nothing. Night actions can't be coordinated because it gives us no new information, and I'm not sold on Talis being scum. I'm going to go over his filter again.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 20:46 GMT
#890
On July 07 2012 05:22 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:07 kingdedede wrote:
Alright, I'm home. My first instinct is to keep the lynch on Grush. The counterpressure that started to develop on Talis makes me happy as it makes it a real possibility. Tali's post makes sense and if Grush flips scum we'll know where to look (hi MisterSaturn). His play has also been lackluster. There's not a single post in his filter longer than two sentences which is pretty much as antitown as it gets, as it gives almost no information about his alignment other than that he's not willing to put in the effort to help town.

Hiro/Saturn, what do you think of Tali's recent post?


I think he's scum.

He talks about me being scum but then all he can support with is hypothetical statements about me being frustrated and partners with grush. And then he spends the rest of his post talking about possible scum team partnerships and why they may/may not work.

Artanis, he's flat-out ignoring scumhunting. He made absolutely no attempt to logically refute the things that HomerunBat and I have brought up. He talks about how he couldn't possibly be scum because he ate Risen (we have absolutely no way of knowing if this is true - talismania only brought up the fact that he ate Risen after Risen already roleclaimed) and that doesn't even have anything to do with whether or not he is scum - scum want to find out what roles people have also. And then he talks about how scum team combinations don't work with him...

- Hiro


No scum want kp. I would have eaten grush 100% if I were scum I guarantee you.

I don't understand this accusation of lack of scumhunting when I've been sure you're scum since near the beginning, with the exception of that time period where I thought it was Risen. I still don't like a Samus + Falcon team though for balance reasons.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 20:55 GMT
#891
On July 07 2012 05:21 HomerunBat wrote:
Artanis, if you want town to win, you need to vote Talis.

Look at his defense, he still, STILL cannot name a single person and build a case on them. It's all association play, without a scum flip.

Look at his 'why I'm town section.' Are any of those strong points?



You really want a point by point analysis with quotes and shit? I think I've made myself pretty clear on who I think is scum and why throughout this game.

And wtf association play is amazing it's a damn 8 player game with 2 scum in it! This isn't some 30-player shitfest.
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 06 2012 20:55 GMT
#892
On July 07 2012 05:46 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:22 HiroPro wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:07 kingdedede wrote:
Alright, I'm home. My first instinct is to keep the lynch on Grush. The counterpressure that started to develop on Talis makes me happy as it makes it a real possibility. Tali's post makes sense and if Grush flips scum we'll know where to look (hi MisterSaturn). His play has also been lackluster. There's not a single post in his filter longer than two sentences which is pretty much as antitown as it gets, as it gives almost no information about his alignment other than that he's not willing to put in the effort to help town.

Hiro/Saturn, what do you think of Tali's recent post?


I think he's scum.

He talks about me being scum but then all he can support with is hypothetical statements about me being frustrated and partners with grush. And then he spends the rest of his post talking about possible scum team partnerships and why they may/may not work.

Artanis, he's flat-out ignoring scumhunting. He made absolutely no attempt to logically refute the things that HomerunBat and I have brought up. He talks about how he couldn't possibly be scum because he ate Risen (we have absolutely no way of knowing if this is true - talismania only brought up the fact that he ate Risen after Risen already roleclaimed) and that doesn't even have anything to do with whether or not he is scum - scum want to find out what roles people have also. And then he talks about how scum team combinations don't work with him...

- Hiro


No scum want kp. I would have eaten grush 100% if I were scum I guarantee you.

I don't understand this accusation of lack of scumhunting when I've been sure you're scum since near the beginning, with the exception of that time period where I thought it was Risen. I still don't like a Samus + Falcon team though for balance reasons.


You've done absolutely no scumhunting except for your initial post on me (in which you admitted that almost everything was weak). Everything you've posted has been connections, mechanics talk, and talking about how certain people are town because they don't go after you.
mmaaawww
HomerunBat
Profile Joined June 2012
Oman114 Posts
July 06 2012 21:03 GMT
#893
The game is pretty much in your hands Artanis, I hope you choose correctly.

Ask yourself when going through Talis' filter if he has really been trying to find scum. Read my case again (and Saturn's), and read his defense (especially the portion where he explains how he is town).

This is going to be the most anxiety filled hour ever
*PING*
kingdedede
Profile Joined June 2012
Kazakhstan80 Posts
July 06 2012 21:03 GMT
#894
Tali, do you have any meta games for me where you were town and where you were scum? It'd help.
Mister Saturn
Profile Joined June 2012
Vatican City State155 Posts
July 06 2012 21:04 GMT
#895
He was scum in Pick Your Poison and Bang Bang 2. Town in Bastard 2 and Space Station.

- Hiro
mmaaawww
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 21:08 GMT
#896
Another thing I've thought of: read through my filter and read through mister saturn's. Look at how many times I change my mind vs they change theirs. I've changed my mind quite a bit. Initially I thought it was iGrok + Mister Saturn, but then I realized that was obviously impossible since iGrok carried him. Then I tunneled on HiroPro for a while. I voted for grush but thought he was just being a dumb townie at the time. I only voted him because he was useless and I didn't want to lose stock myself. I thought risen was townie day one, and then started thinking he was scum during the night as a possible mister saturn partner. Then I thought he was likely scum after grush's cephiro shot (WHICH WHY DOES EVERYONE IGNORE??) made him scummy as hell because of how risen acted to attempt to save grush at the lynch (but failed because he missed HRB changing their vote). And at that point I was actually feeling pretty sheepish for tunneling HiroPro for so long when it seemed like we were both town. And then of course Risen flipped and back we are here again.

That's the game from my perspective. HiroPro and strongandbig do not seem to change their minds at all. Everyone else has. HRB has, acrofales has, cephiro well I guess I don't know if cephiro has to be honest.

______________


And about me not following through on my call to action -

1) that's bullshit. I've been in this thread saying what I think about everyone quite a bit.
2) fuck the spreadsheet. I do shit like that all the time and don't update it. Bangbangmafia2 I was scum, I made a call to action and never even bothered to follow it. Bastard 2 I was town, made a call to action and never even bothered to follow it. Space station I made a call to action and followed it for like one day and then gave up. Don't think I did any calls to action in the PYPs. In any even the spreadsheet is unimportant right now with 6 people left and so few possible scum pairings. I don't see how it's necessary.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 21:09 GMT
#897
On July 07 2012 06:03 kingdedede wrote:
Tali, do you have any meta games for me where you were town and where you were scum? It'd help.


Town space station, pick your power redux, bastard 2
scum pick your poison, bangbang2
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 21:13 GMT
#898
On July 07 2012 05:55 Mister Saturn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 05:46 talismania wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:22 HiroPro wrote:
On July 07 2012 05:07 kingdedede wrote:
Alright, I'm home. My first instinct is to keep the lynch on Grush. The counterpressure that started to develop on Talis makes me happy as it makes it a real possibility. Tali's post makes sense and if Grush flips scum we'll know where to look (hi MisterSaturn). His play has also been lackluster. There's not a single post in his filter longer than two sentences which is pretty much as antitown as it gets, as it gives almost no information about his alignment other than that he's not willing to put in the effort to help town.

Hiro/Saturn, what do you think of Tali's recent post?


I think he's scum.

He talks about me being scum but then all he can support with is hypothetical statements about me being frustrated and partners with grush. And then he spends the rest of his post talking about possible scum team partnerships and why they may/may not work.

Artanis, he's flat-out ignoring scumhunting. He made absolutely no attempt to logically refute the things that HomerunBat and I have brought up. He talks about how he couldn't possibly be scum because he ate Risen (we have absolutely no way of knowing if this is true - talismania only brought up the fact that he ate Risen after Risen already roleclaimed) and that doesn't even have anything to do with whether or not he is scum - scum want to find out what roles people have also. And then he talks about how scum team combinations don't work with him...

- Hiro


No scum want kp. I would have eaten grush 100% if I were scum I guarantee you.

I don't understand this accusation of lack of scumhunting when I've been sure you're scum since near the beginning, with the exception of that time period where I thought it was Risen. I still don't like a Samus + Falcon team though for balance reasons.


You've done absolutely no scumhunting except for your initial post on me (in which you admitted that almost everything was weak). Everything you've posted has been connections, mechanics talk, and talking about how certain people are town because they don't go after you.


By those standards you've no absolutely no scumhunting either haha.

"Talking about how certain people are town because they don't go after me" misconstrues what I'm saying. I'm saying people that have been on me, like acrofales, that then changed their minds makes no sense from a scum point of view. It really doesn't. I know I'm town. I know acrofales, if he were scum, would not want to just back off me publicly like that. That shit is completely legit to point out. Same goes for cephiro, although less so because he might have felt constrained by the list he made, same goes for homerunbat as well but maybe to a lesser extent if grush is also town.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
July 06 2012 21:17 GMT
#899
There is some danger by the way if it actually turns out to be mister saturn + homerunbat (which is kinda unlikely as I've said). If I'm lynched, then hiropro shoots me, and the kp goes to grush and they win. Depend a bit on the bus of course.
kingdedede
Profile Joined June 2012
Kazakhstan80 Posts
July 06 2012 21:18 GMT
#900
Hard for me to make something out with the filters in other games as I don't have time to read them thoroughly but nothing really jumps out other than the 11-page filter on bastard 2 compared to the much smaller filters on the other games. Some setup speculation in both PYP Redux and Bang Bang. I can't say that this has made me much wiser.

Why do I have to make the deciding vote again, fuck. Feels like Emergency Mini Mafia all over again.
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