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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Meanwhile in mafia chat: omg we got lucky and grush shot cephiro too! Scum team: dedede and cephiro. Any flaws in that logic? I like it, because it gives cephiro benefit of the doubt on not being horrible. Only problem is I really liked dedede. His name is so good :/ | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Smiley face. He's scum. ##push cephiro | ||
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Mister Saturn
Vatican City State155 Posts
i'm probably gonna vote to push talismania. And @risen: the problem is i think he could have done more damage to town if he hadn't revealed that he was the yoshi, that would be like a super double-think scum move. I guess its possible though. | ||
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HomerunBat
Oman114 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 05 2012 20:40 HomerunBat wrote: The problem is that there is just about nothing in dedede's filter to support the theory that he is scum. Yeah. I'm having trouble coping with the news, too :/ | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On July 05 2012 20:37 Risen wrote: Food for thought in the thread: bus cephiro and risen. Shoot cephiro. Dedede says: Hey guys look at my breadcrumb! Meanwhile in mafia chat: omg we got lucky and grush shot cephiro too! Scum team: dedede and cephiro. Any flaws in that logic? I like it, because it gives cephiro benefit of the doubt on not being horrible. Only problem is I really liked dedede. His name is so good :/ .... Just wow. Is there anyone but yourself left that you haven't accused of being scum now? Talk about grasping at straws. Could you please point me one single pro-town thing you've done this game? All you do is create new controversies to cause more confusion. Next night feel free to pick me up, because if you're alive I'm shooting you. On July 05 2012 20:39 Risen wrote: Smiley face. He's scum. ##push cephiro This logic. I cannot fathom. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 05 2012 20:40 Mister Saturn wrote: can't we just vig shoot igrok tonight? If you let me and hiro we will do it and then the bus driver can protect us i'm probably gonna vote to push talismania. And @risen: the problem is i think he could have done more damage to town if he hadn't revealed that he was the yoshi, that would be like a super double-think scum move. I guess its possible though. Bad logic, you answer yourself. Look at how much town cred this got dedede and cephiro. Everyone is asking them for item/placements. Outrageous in execution, but it almost worked! If cephiro hadn't blundered I would never have thought about it. | ||
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HomerunBat
Oman114 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 05 2012 20:45 Cephiro wrote: .... Just wow. Is there anyone but yourself left that you haven't accused of being scum now? Talk about grasping at straws. Could you please point me one single pro-town thing you've done this game? All you do is create new controversies to cause more confusion. Next night feel free to pick me up, because if you're alive I'm shooting you. This logic. I cannot fathom. No martyring, you've been picked up. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 05 2012 20:48 HomerunBat wrote: Wait...you seriously think dedede and cephiro are the scum team? Maybe I should take a break, but I think it's a very real possibility. If I was wrong I would have expected scum to be jumping on this case, which is part of the reason I made it lol. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
When I got my role, I decided to play like Palmar. I would lead the town Day1, be balls-to-the-wall aggressive, and force scum into slipping that way. I don't really play this style ever, but I wanted to try it out. To start off, Town needed some information to work with. Not a full massclaim, but something to keep D1 from being a random lynch. That's why I asked everyone to claim if they got their first choice. If we learned anything by doing this, the rest of the town roles (kirbys, yoshis, Ness, DK). As it turned out, this confirmed Saturn and Cephiro to be samuses, not because Grush claimed not-first pick, but because they confirmed it. This also means that grush was telling the truth, which as scum he shouldn't want to in that situation. dedede's claim was really unexpected but I like it, as long as there was Town KP they'd draw the shot before a busdriver. Ceph and Saturn don't have to be one scum, but it was very likely. So I picked one of them to carry. Gut feeling said Saturn was scum, so I carried him Then we needed a way to deal with items and locations. By making one person each night pick, I'd be able to learn their motives, and by going first I would see who tried to do anti-town things instead. The first list was literally running down the order. Then I decided to change things up a bit. I pulled out Risen and sat out Tali. Risen had posted a total of 1 times, so I sat him out. And I felt like Tali was sheeping me a little because his reads were similar, so I sat him as well. Then Risen exploded, and that fight was... revealing. At the time, to me he felt like a dumb townie more than scum, but he got a Grey box (I use Green, Red, and Gray shades to mark people - Gray means somethings not right but I don't get a strong scum vibe) Unfortunately, I derped on my own location, but this was almost ok because it generated a fight that revealed something about Saturn. [/i]Saturn hates me and plans on shooting me, yet doesn't try to lynch me.[/i] This is a huge red flag, and solidified my scum read on him. I still felt that one of Ceph and Saturn were scum. So, rather than lynch into them, I figured that we could let scum tell us. I wanted to wait on my reads until the next day to see who they shot, and then go after the other as scum. There was a small chance that neither was, but I'm basically playing a game of probabilities. I wanted something to work with on each player. That's why I suggested lynching lurkers. I already had reads on the non-lurkers, but I needed something to work with on Grush and Tali to find the remaining scum. And it seemed to work pretty well, as voting for them got them typing and lynching grush gave us something to work with. Imagine if we hadn't found out grush was a Falcon. You think he would have claimed the shot? With his activity record? I don't think so. Honestly, what happened last night is obvious. Scum1 and Scum2 (grush) shot cephiro as a town kp that most people agreed was town. Thankfully, dedede bussed ceph out of the way, and Risen got shot instead. Unfortunately, this means I'm also down to 1/2 kp damage. So the remaining question is who is the last scum? The answer is not quite that simple. Its either Risen or Mr.Saturn. The fact that Saturn said he would shoot me but didn't try to lynch me. Yeah, he voted for me but there was 0 pressure behind it. Saturn's behavior is incredibly scummy. And yet, he isn't who we should lynch or push. Assuming that all scum are included in the set of [grush, Risen, Saturn], town has this game won by tomorrow. We push Risen. This kills him. It will also kill me, but I'm ok with that as long as town doesn't derp. Odds are he flips scum, but Regardless of Risn's Flip, we lynch grush, who we know is scum. This kills grush. So now, 2/3 scum candidates are gone. Finally, if Risen wasn't scum, Ceph can shoot Saturn at night, and lynch him the next day (or somehow do .5 damage to him). This is how you win and cover all your bases. Again, sorry this is late, I crashed after the 4th of July party last night. ##Push: Risen ##Vote: Grush | ||
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On July 05 2012 20:46 Risen wrote: Bad logic, you answer yourself. Look at how much town cred this got dedede and cephiro. Everyone is asking them for item/placements. Outrageous in execution, but it almost worked! If cephiro hadn't blundered I would never have thought about it. ... Clearly. I asked everyone if they are okay if we proceed with picking the items in the same way as yesterday, and some agreed. You sure know how to twist your words. If people are actually going to believe your bullshit and keep thinking you are town for whatever reason, I might as shoot myself tomorrow. All game long you come up with new scumteam combinations, go at it hard, then a few hours later you find something new to pick at, and some consider you town? Really? You've accused every single person in this game of being scum now. (Except yourself.) Do everyone a favour, take that break, and come back when you know what you are really thinking. | ||
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HomerunBat
Oman114 Posts
Some people don't agree that you are town, but I really think you are. If you are scum, then good job screwing with my head. Cephiro, I linked Risen's past games in an earlier post of mine. I'd like you to take a look. TL mafia LI and LIII. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On July 05 2012 20:08 HomerunBat wrote: Toad isn't around now, but I guess I'll ask anyway Is DK's carry ability affected by the bus-driver? NO, DK WILL ALWAYS PICKU UP WHO HE TARGETS, AND WILL ALWAYS APPLY DAMAGE TO WHO HE'S CARRYING. FORGOT CAPS LOLOL | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On July 05 2012 20:57 HomerunBat wrote: Cephiro, I linked Risen's past games in an earlier post of mine. I'd like you to take a look. TL mafia LI and LIII. I never play based on meta-game, but I guess I can take a look. What am I supposed to see though? Does he really play like that as town, going around blaming everyone and bashing their plans, and suggesting pro-scum plans himself? I just can't understand that anyone could play town like that, and I've seen my fair share of bad townies. @ iGrok: Thanks for the reasoning post, was about time. So others, am I seriously still an idiot for believing that iGrok is town? | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On July 05 2012 20:57 HomerunBat wrote: I don't want to close my mind to any possibility, but I think the simplest explanation in this case is true. You, Cephiro, and dedede are all 3 town. Some people don't agree that you are town, but I really think you are. If you are scum, then good job screwing with my head. Cephiro, I linked Risen's past games in an earlier post of mine. I'd like you to take a look. TL mafia LI and LIII. You're probably right. I think the grush lynch will tell us a lot. Interesting that igrok wants to push me in and kill me, though. He'd be killing himself in the process. Means he REALLY thinks I'm scum. | ||
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