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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 22 2012 23:38 GMT
#341
well as mentioned above, pyp poison was a very recent town game of his, and he got lynched for being scummy there
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 22 2012 23:40 GMT
#342
I don't really like how you say there's no case on zentor. While it started out as a policy lynch, he isn't looking townie at all.

On June 22 2012 07:41 prplhz wrote:
Okay whatever the fuck. I joined this game because I thought zentor had outed by meh. zentor is the default lynch for today because he's an unpleasant person just to have around. In case we don't find anything better then he should die just because of how destructive he is when he's town. I played with it once and I don't want to play with it again.

##Vote: MrZentor

On June 22 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote:
I'm not scum; I'm just busy playing LoL.

I write "lets lynch zentor because i don't particularly enjoy his company" and then he replies with "i'm not scum". This doesn't make sense because he was never accused of being scum but because he is scum he jumps to the conclusion that any vote on him is because he is scum.

On June 22 2012 11:09 MrZentor wrote:
I don't see how you can find somebody so suspicious so early in the game. -.-

I'll find scum when I have more content.


On June 22 2012 12:55 MrZentor wrote:
I'm not going to fabricate reads to try to convince you I'm town; I'll probably provide some analysis tomorrow when there's more to analyze.


On June 22 2012 21:42 MrZentor wrote:
Prphlz, what you fail to realize is that different things are scummy for different players.

I always need a little time to digest the information.

He is stalling while trying to avoid contributing. First he says that he needs more content, then he says that he needs more time! Why is he suddenly changing his explanation? Because he is just making this up on the fly. Why the arbitrary "tomorrow" deadline? How can he know that he'll have the content he needs tomorrow? It seems like he just thought "I'll not do anything today and then I'll keep them at bay by saying I'll do something tomorrow". Townies can't plan cases, they appear when other people write shit.

His latest contribution is taking my filter and copy/pasting it into a spoiler tag. What the hell?

If you want zentor around tomorrow over risk.nuke then you need to get your brain checked.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
June 22 2012 23:41 GMT
#343
Mmm ... maybe I'm a bit rusty and my reading is a bit off. I'll review Snarfs on my own, but it seems like he won't be a lynch candidate today. Right now a lurker lynch is looking very good. Marv and VE regularly have been going at each others throats, and unless it is LI all over again, there is a good chance that they are both town. It's pretty destructive to town atmosphere so scum probably will be lazy / complacent, i.e. we can probably find some scum in that group.

I think the fact that we have to use meta to clear someone's name is problematic in itself. Either they shape up or we lynch them. Excusing someone because their town play is inherently scummy is totally abusable by scum and frees them from proper responsibility / accountability. I'm down for risk / zentor / the other lurkers who I can't even remember. As for rastaban, was leaning slightly town but will review in lieu of my Snarfs case not being as cohesive as I thought it was.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 22 2012 23:42 GMT
#344
Sum of All Fears Mafia

He's clearly capable, but he's just not. It could be scummy, but with everyone calling for his head, if he's town I can't fault him for not wanting to post in that kind of environment can you?

Risk.Nuke I'm basing on my interactions with him in IRC Mafia and one of my first games back here, Election Mafia. Immediately I thought he was scum because of how he was pushing his reads, but he was PUSHING HIS READS ya know? Hard, too...like, scummy hard is what I thought, but I was wrong.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 22 2012 23:46 GMT
#345
Yea VisceraEyes. That zentor is horrible to read and that he's capable of ruining entire days of playing on his own is a boon to his lynch. As I said, zentor is the best policy lynch we can do and right now he's not looking very well either. I have a case I'd like to post but if we fail agreeing on anything then we need to get him out of the way.

In WoF he was up for day1 lynch and then we no lynched (even though I know that you just lynch and then get on with the game). He ended up getting lynched on day2 after an abysmal performance. I don't want that kind of distraction around and he's the best policy lynch by far, even though there are a couple of players in this game that I don't even know.

I have something that I want to try out too and I don't think we should be all fixed on zentor lynch but you guys saying that we should just leave him around for day2 and lynch people who are more active, easier to read, and more pleasant just because you have a flimsy case or a gut read are crazy.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
June 22 2012 23:53 GMT
#346
On June 23 2012 08:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sum of All Fears Mafia

He's clearly capable, but he's just not. It could be scummy, but with everyone calling for his head, if he's town I can't fault him for not wanting to post in that kind of environment can you?

Risk.Nuke I'm basing on my interactions with him in IRC Mafia and one of my first games back here, Election Mafia. Immediately I thought he was scum because of how he was pushing his reads, but he was PUSHING HIS READS ya know? Hard, too...like, scummy hard is what I thought, but I was wrong.

Wow, I've actually never seen risk.nuke come out that strong in recent games. I'd be interested in hearing him explain why that is.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 22 2012 23:53 GMT
#347
You know what, okay.

##Unvote: marvellosity
##Vote: MrZentor


He's clearly around and not doing shit, let's do this.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
June 23 2012 00:01 GMT
#348
How do you guys feel about Zephirdd?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 23 2012 00:12 GMT
#349
To explain my absence, yesterday was midsummer which is a huge festival and we have some old celebration traditions in Sweden. I intended going to go to sleep now and not make an appearance untill tomorrow morning but since there is already 5+ pages about lurker discussion I thought I might need to dive in tonight and fix this. Be back when I read the thread properly.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2012 00:20 GMT
#350
On June 23 2012 09:12 risk.nuke wrote:
To explain my absence, yesterday was midsummer which is a huge festival and we have some old celebration traditions in Sweden. I intended going to go to sleep now and not make an appearance untill tomorrow morning but since there is already 5+ pages about lurker discussion I thought I might need to dive in tonight and fix this. Be back when I read the thread properly.


This post does not "fix this", actual play will "fix this". Come in and actually play and you might be able to "fix this".

@prplhz

I mean, at least he's got a scumread in the form of rastaban? Nothing jumps out at me as especially town, but he's at least participating. :/ I have to admit though that his case on Rasta is arguably as bad as he's saying the case rasta made was...

I don't know, what are you seeing prpl? I see Null.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 23 2012 00:26 GMT
#351
Yeah I ment I'm reading the thread now, When I'm not laugh/cry/palmfacing what rastaban is doing. He's starting to look like a decent candidate but I'm just at page 15, and then I want to read all my mainsuspects filters and make a case on my strongest read.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2012 00:27 GMT
#352
Oh...I thought you meant that the post I quoted was meant to fix it and since you made it, you're off to bed. Carry on then sir.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
June 23 2012 01:15 GMT
#353
So my first thought is what two players are yelling the loudest at eachother. It's Vicera and Marv. So naturally my first assumption would be to remove both of those from my day 1 lynch pool. While Vicera doubtlessly seems like the towniest townie ever towned marv seems a bit scummy. Partly because how his inabillity to see how Vicera is town.

Anyway lets go to Rastaban, I'm sort of writing this on the fly out of lazyness so I still haven't decided who I want dead the most yet.

+ Show Spoiler [Rastaban Says] +
On June 23 2012 00:31 rastaban wrote:
I would like to put forward a new actor into the spotlight who I feel doesn't want this movie finished. One risk.nuke! This fellow looks shady to me and he must have gotten Kirsten Stewart for his actor for the poor job he has done hiding his distain for our movie.

Check it out:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 07:28 risk.nuke wrote:
Well Zentor started out very strong but then his activity dropped which is all-in-all a scumtrait.
He spends half of his posts unnecessarily defending himself and the other half is useless 1-worders. I would very much like him to come here and explain himselves. Seeing how he can be one of the largest postcount in this game and have said so little of significance.

This is his most rounded and contributing post... And it is a joke post.

Next we get this gem:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 07:52 risk.nuke wrote:
While I agree Zentor is a scourge to have on the gamefield I don't think we should kill him to be rid of him. That's not the way. As for now I want to hear from more players.

Not much here, he defends Z but against an attack that was never going to happen anyway so a null read on this one

Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 07:57 risk.nuke wrote:
On June 22 2012 07:53 Snarfs wrote:
I have a great idea guys:

Let's lynch Probulous so that we immediately know which team is going to lose, then whoever is on that team can just forfeit and we all save a ton of time!

##Vote Probulous!

what?

What a quality contribution, but after wanting to hear more from players he certainly doesn't add anything himself or even push this thought further. The original post was a joke regarding probs penchant for losing lately but risk doesn't follow up to even find that out.

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On June 22 2012 08:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I say we lynch zephirdd on account of not realising we're past fun-time.

Wants to lynch zeph but like most bad actors he says the lines but doesn't have his actions (vote) match up to his words. He doesnt want to have the case lead back to him, and until more people have joined in he holds his vote. Perhaps you might think he is an actor who values life and is very conservative with his voting habits, but you will soon see that is not the case.


Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 08:55 risk.nuke wrote:
lol, ok #1 scum response
##Vote: marvellosity

Now he gets crazy like Charlie Sheen, he now throws his vote onto the marv train, but he doesn't add anything to the arguments, he doesn't even mention agreeing with others but instead he bases his vote off one post. What was this incriminating post? Well I thought it must have been the dodge marv made or perhaps his posts where he says he is confidant he doesn't get lynched, but no it is this one.

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On June 22 2012 08:53 marvellosity wrote:
On June 22 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote:
This is a semi-closed setup. If there are 13 players, it's possible that 12 are medics and 1 is a scum. Of course that's retarded as fuck, but nothing is concrete and we shouldn't think "but it's not common to 2 of X" exist ever. at all.

In fact, we can't even confirm the existence of a SK until after the night phase.

I'm not sure about Millers instaclaiming. While it clears path for cops(as it's pretty obvious that they will show red), it also reduces the number of possible blues, making it easier for scum. At least what I understood from the setup is that Millers can't be blues.

If anything, Millers should be breadcrumbing and claiming in case a cop calls them guilty. For all other purposes, they should be *Vanilla*(unclaimed, aka. possible blue) to make it harder for mafia to shoot into blues.


Thanks, I will pass this on to my scumbuddies immediately.

Marv is showing how absurd it is to have millers breadcrumb so they can be saved later, and this post is the one risk decides justifies throwing the weight of his vote behind? I think he thought the risk train was gaining momentum and wanted to get on board.


Show nested quote +
On June 22 2012 19:01 risk.nuke wrote:
##Unvote: marvellosity
##Vote: von Klaust II

Here is his latest post, what!!!??? This is so out of the blue, he never says why he changes his mind, he doesn't even say why he votes for klaust though I am guessing inactivity. This is a huge throw away vote meaning nothing as he doesn't even ask for klaus to speak up. On top of that look at the time stamps, this occurs 10 hours after his Last post. So picture this, risk votes marv, 10 hours later he comes and votes klaust with no reasoning at all. Ahha, but what has changed? Well I and a few others have pushed for slowing down on tunneling marv, and he realizes that it might not happen. Prob mentions the lurkers need to get posting and names klaust as one of them, risk immediately votes for him. So he has 10 hours between his posts and apparently knows enough to change his mind on the marv lynch and that klaust hasn't posted yet and still we don't get even a single line of content from. This is a mafia mindset, all of hs targets are equally scummy since none of them are scum so he doesn't care about who gets lynched as long as it isn't them.

Let's kick this sham of an actor off our set before he changes this movie from Signs into The Happening.

##Vote: risk.nuke

There are alot of things I don't like in his so called analysis of me. Mainly because these posts were made right at the start of the game and were mostly just for getting up the activity and he complains how they are content-short. It should be obvious why it's impossible to make a case when you're the first player to talk.

Second I think it favors town to lynch mafia rather then prioritizing people soley because they are unpleasant and that's what I said. How is it scummy?

I didn't understand that inside joke that post seemed to be and I wanted Prob to come back and explain himself or post some more.

Scum are sometimes a bit tense and scared to jump into the thread and zephirdd choose to jump in with some joke-post which I thought was suspicious. His entire, Oh the game has started "insert joke stuff here" felt in the spur of the moment like a condemnable lie.

I voted marv because I though that was something a mafia would say when they thought the case against them was poor.

Then lastly he's completely misinterpreting my voteswitch. This you probably don't know but I felt a bit annoyed because i realised that in my last games I've had an unstatisticly high ratio of misreads in the earlygame and I came to the conclusion that it's because I'm to lenient to lurkers. So I pressurevoted a guy who still hadn't joined us (but shortly after did~ heeyoo~) Anyway I didn't explain myself because I thought a pressurevote on a lurker was decent reasoning enough and it shouldn't had been so hard to figure out that was what I was doing without me spelling it out for you.

+ Show Spoiler [Rastaban Says II] +
On June 23 2012 03:08 rastaban wrote:
Wow, really surprised no one sees the vote switching without any reason at all not scummy. My case is misconstrued as "risk.nuke has not yet posted anything of value." That would be a case against

Also I never saw Sloosh's post as it took me far longer than 30 minutes to work up a case against risk. You know why ,because I don't throw accusations around wildly until I have convinced myself.

Last game as a doctor I had no gun and so I had to mafia reads and a town read but since it was my first game in a year and I was afraid that without a gun if I pushed too hard they would want me to shoot and out my role. Well no one seemed to care about my cases but me but in the end I was correct.

Day 1 of Bang Bang I posted this: "Meapak_Ziphh, your filter looked really bad last night tons of filler and no posts contributing to discussion, but you seem to be posting more like your normal self today. Mind explaining what was going on?" I actually had an entire case typed up like I just did for risk and yet I decided to go easy and let him slide, well guess what he was GF. If I had pushed for him like I thought I should have day 1 we might have outed GF immediately.

This game I am trying something different since I don't worry about having a gun, I am going to push my scum reads and try and save my town reads. If I get lynched for that, at least town gets a trail votes to follow that led up to it.

Sorry but this is so similar to bang bang's Gonzaw fiasco where everyone clamored about him being red while I thought the case against him was awful, he gets shot flips blue and since it was almost all townies pushing the lynch we started the next day clueless as to where to begin which is why I had to post the Cephiro case linked above to begin with. So yeah, I stand by thinking risk is our best candidate and want him lynched. I am putting forward someone who is actually scummy instead of the marv case where half of it is based on his reaction to a leading question.


Not much here but I think it's safe to say it shouldn't take 30 minutes or more to analyse what very little I had written, come on, it's not many lines.

In this post Rastaban makes sense. He supports the miller-must claim which is basic. Though I wouldn't award him town-points for agreeing. The second paragraph is more interesting to me. It shows that he knows how to be carefull with bandwagons. Which makes no sense at all that the next thing he does is he try to push me hard on exagerated and out-of-context reasoning.

I think I'm done with rastaban but it's 3:15 now. Sorry T.B.C. tomorrow.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 23 2012 01:16 GMT
#354
I am going against my policy of always lynching mrzentor cause I don't think it's smart to lynch a claimed blue in a mini on day 1 especially with no counterclaim... Are we thinking that he got lucky with his guess or someone is holding their tongue? Do you think someone counterclaiming would be worth it to likely Out 1 scum?

Ve Marv and prob i would like your thoughts on rasta..
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2012 01:20 GMT
#355
Claimed blue? He didn't claim anything?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 23 2012 01:23 GMT
#356
On June 22 2012 12:01 MrZentor wrote:
I don't think Prphlz as mafia would suggest something as idiotic as lynching me.


+ Show Spoiler +
I claimed medic.

Nobody counterclaimed, and they lynched me.

+ Show Spoiler +
-.-

Is this not for this game.. Cause If not fuck me let's lynch mrz
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2012 01:25 GMT
#357
I mean, unless that's some kind of wicked soft-claim, he was referring to SoAF mafia I think in that quote.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 23 2012 01:26 GMT
#358
His last post in SoAF


On April 05 2012 09:42 MrZentor wrote:
I still don't see why you guys killed me when nobody counter claimed SU doctor.

if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 23 2012 01:36 GMT
#359
Sorry for the confusion, probably should have labelled the quote.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 23 2012 02:20 GMT
#360
Holy shit.

Look at pages 16 and 17. I just solved this game.

VE, marv are both scum bussing the F* out of each other. When was the last time this happened? I remember someone saying it was an "OP strategy". Wasn't it Toad/VE doing it? I don't quite remember. Someone said LI, is that it?

Either way, if one of them flips scum, I'm sure as hell attacking the other. I thought the initial "attacks" were terrible for both parties, but at this point this all feels fabricated to me.
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