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Mattchew
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Mattchew
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VE can you please wait till day 2 before you thread ruiningly tunnel a townie Also, VE, to confirm your towniness, can you point out the one obvi town person in the thread to me? | ||
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Mattchew
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On June 30 2012 11:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Why, you of course. nope... someone else that isn't me, there is someone in my opinion that is like blatantly bet my life / eat my hat town, please point them out to me | ||
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On June 30 2012 11:09 austinmcc wrote: Mattchew I'm not sure if you can trust what I think you're trusting. what are you talking about? | ||
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On June 30 2012 14:23 casualman wrote: I love to bandwagon. Being a newb, I can read nothing from these posts and will blindly trust in authority figures. Woohoo! ##Vote BroodKingEXE What the hell is this ##vote casualman | ||
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On June 30 2012 14:23 casualman wrote: I love to bandwagon. Being a newb, I can read nothing from these posts and will blindly trust in authority figures. Woohoo! ##Vote BroodKingEXE And I like your thoughts on Mandalor | ||
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Mattchew
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1. Casualman Has literally posted nothing to help town. See's VE vote himself and decides to do the same. I think this is a newb scum trying to emulate troll townie actions (that are easy to copy) so that he tries to get town cred. 2. Twelve Blatant contradiction in his first posts. Says he is all for Band wagon hatred, then jumps on the 2 bandwagons forming at that time (Kurumi and BKexe) + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote: My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts. Follow this with his next 2 posts, the first with quite possibly the worst reasoning for a vote ever (read completely forced reasoning to try and continue a bandwagon), and then a post trying to be cutesy and buddying with the thread saying "don't take it personally" yuck. + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote: This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? On July 01 2012 17:12 Twelve wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 16:07 BroodKingEXE wrote: Are you going to ninja vote me for posting a votecount? You got to be kidding me, own up to your vote and post it in the thread dude. Or are you a scum trying to jump the wagon unnoticed? Not sure that ninja voting is against the rules, but just so we can stay friends: ##vote: BKX I made my case against you, not really trying to hide anything. The current "bandwagon" against you is merely logical, nothing personal ^^ The #1 issue I have with these two reads that I can't seem to get over in my head is where Twelve calls out casualman. I can't tell if this is an act of distancing (which on day 1 would be pretty bold if they are both actually newb scum) or if they are opposite alignments.. I would like to hear opinions on this. 3. Mandalor First post of the game says he hasn't read, but still votes BKE. Cool, I like being scum and trying to blend in by voting the popular candidate too.+ Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote: ##VOTE: BKE I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. Second post, he claims to have caught up, but offers literally no reason for his vote which he still agrees with. Hi scum trying not to be accountable for reads and reasons! + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote: I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early. I wont post his whole filter, but he then goes onto explain that he voted and is voting BKE cause he causes trouble for the town early on. Is this the fault of BKE or the fault of those creating the shitstorm around him with little to no reasoning? Voting for someone because they are being highlighted in the thread and because a lot of people yell "he's scum" at him is terrible reasoning. He also says "I ignored the post-analysis option, because - and I repeat - this is Day1. I barely have a case for BKE, but I have to vote." which just encourages more people to vote ignorantly without reason. 4. Bill Murray A. He's Bill Murray. B. More importantly He's Bill Murray. Letting this guy live past day 3 is the worst thing town can do in any game. 5. drwiggl3s His entire filter is a ninja vote on BKE, and then his "reasoning" which has to be completely forced out of him. This shows me he is trying to hide his thoughts from the thread especially as noob scum. I find his contradiction in his first post of substance hysterical as well. He defends casualman for voting BKE with no reason, but then calls out everyone not voting BKE with little or no reason as scummy. + Show Spoiler + On June 30 2012 18:06 drwiggl3s wrote: ##Vote BroodKingEXE On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote: Ok since some people asked, here's what I'm thinking. I agree that BKEXE's initial posts were a tad scummy. But what gave it away to me was that after casualman voted for him, both Mattchew and BKEXE immediately returned the favour and voted for casualman to be lynched. Both without any explanation other than saying "Wtf is this". And then later, both went MIA for quite a while instead of explaining their votes or trying to defend BKEXE. You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to. As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves. | ||
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Mattchew
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On July 02 2012 03:40 Foxtrotter wrote: Sorry i haven't posted yet ladies and gentles was a little busy and had to catch up. I've read through the thread and my opinion is that everything mK has done (or lack of) up to this point seems scummy. The fact that he has not defended him self is extremely unsettling to me. (I hope that nothing personal has happened.) With his comment of however, I am pretty comfortable voting for him on D1. ##vote mK You can add yourself as number 6 on my list to die. | ||
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Mattchew
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On July 02 2012 04:55 Twelve wrote: @Mattchew haha where to start... My first post that you quote was from before the game even started, so it probably shouldn't be taken to seriously. I simply don't know anyone here and was trying to start a conversation. The fact that you see a contradiction is also puzzling I can sort of see how it could be misinterpreted that I was saying "I am all for the hatred of bandwagons" but thats not what I was saying. In fact I was saying the opposite, I was asking to be clued in so I could join a bandwagon, but this was largely a joke. Suffice to say, anything I said before the game officially started probably shouldn't concern town too much. I do take issue with your use of the word band wagon though, upon reading the thread I found both BKE and Kurumi extremely suspicious, regardless of other players posts, and made my thoughts known. BKE says alot while conveying extremely little actual information, appearing to be helpful but really just mixing the pot. Kurumi writes long winded, somewhat schizophrenic sounding poems to his co-workers that are about as informative as a fortune cookie. I don't to see a vote count or FOS: BKE FOS:Kurumi for my brain to begin forming conclusions. As for the cutesy yuck bit, he seemed pretty angry that I would vote in the vote in the voting thread without warning him, so I tried to keep things light  (read: I wrote something much ruder but thought better of it and decided to kill him with niceness :D)As far as calling out casualman, I tried very hard to think of any strategic reason a town would vote for themselves and I could think of none. I had the same issue with VE voting for himself, but voted unvoted in the same post, sort of like lowering and raising a supply depot while you wait for your rax to build i guess, so I really don't have a problem with it going under the radar. You made your thoughts known? Where, here? On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote: This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!" On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town? Why are you lying to me? | ||
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Mattchew
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On July 02 2012 05:08 s0Lstice wrote: oh hai mattchew. I don't like most of what you just posted. Firstly, you wrongly interpreted what Twelve said. Him saying he is for bandwagon hatred does not mean he hates bandwagons, it means he is fine with hating someone using someone elses reasons. So he just randomly through out the 2 names being discussed most as lynch candidates at the time by his own accord, without almost any reason attached to it? I fail to see how this is pro-town in any way. On July 02 2012 05:08 s0Lstice wrote: How you read Casualman as anything but a troll at this point is beyond me. Trolling isn't alignment indicative. So someone you consider "unreadable" through their posts, is supposed to help town? Trolling, in your opinion, may not be indicative of alignment but how can you consider anyone offering actual opinions and thoughts as a better day 1 lynch than somoeone who is literally offering us nothing (in your opinion) to read him based off of. Also, you fail to add in my second point of how all his "forms of trolling" have basically been done in the threads by others beforehand. This is an ez mode way to blend in by doing something someone else did. On July 02 2012 05:08 s0Lstice wrote: Your reasoning on BM is: ....we should kill BM because he shouldn't be alive. Read any game with BM in it. A. 90% he's scum. and B. when he's left unchecked town often lose On July 02 2012 05:08 s0Lstice wrote: Your portion on drwiggl3s is off as well. He does say a reason why he thinks people are scummy for not voting BKE: they are soft-defending BKE and trying to turn the attention elsewhere. You may not like his reason, but it's a reason. So you think its ok to tell people that they must focus on only BKE in a game of 27, yet when someone votes BKE with no reason thats ok? There is a huge contradiction there. If BKE flips town, and we have 14+ voters on him with very little reason, his mis-lynch will yield zero information to town. People should be pushing for peoples reasons and thoughts, not for just them to vote for their favorite lynch candidate. On July 02 2012 05:08 s0Lstice wrote: You also threw casualman into the spotlight, and then walked away from it for quite awhile. Talking about what casualman is doing is a colossal waste of time, because you can sum it up in one word + Show Spoiler + trolling I find it hard to believe you are acting in the town's best interest at the moment. Your fails in reading comprehension raise my eyebrows. I'm beginning to think you're scum. I think you are completely wrong and are reading things in a wrong way. I can't tell if this is on purpose or not. | ||
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Mattchew
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On July 02 2012 05:38 Mandalor wrote: Awesome. I love how you blatantly leave out parts of my post so it alligns with what you say. Maybe I should really disregard my anti-post-analytics on day 1 policy, because that reeks of scum. I'd like to highlight that specific part again for future reference: Also you seem to have issues with reading comprehension. I didn't say I didn't read in my first post. I said I didn't catch up, yet. Huge difference (10 pages in my situation). Obviously that only helps your case against me. Since you're making yourself so important, I guess I'll just do that too. You are now my die-list. which parts did I leave out. Did you say that you had read ten pages in that first post? That huge difference is only clarified after someone else called you on it, making it null and void because we have no way of knowing how much you read / didn't read. Did you offer any reasoning for your vote on BKE in your first 2 posts? Did you ever offer any reasons why BKE is causing the so-called trouble you are voting him for? Did you every shine light on how he is pushing a mafia agenda or acting scummy or anything about his scum-like behavior? No you just said he's causing trouble. | ||
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Mattchew
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On July 02 2012 05:44 Bill Murray wrote: I dislike mattchew attacking me with 0 reasoning I also like him attacking wiggles, i have a townread on wiggles This isn't attacking you with 0 reasoning, its just attacking you with 0 reasoning from this game. Can you point me to a game where you survived late into the game as town and town won? | ||
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Mattchew
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On July 02 2012 05:49 Twelve wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 02 2012 05:21 Mattchew wrote: So he just randomly through out the 2 names being discussed most as lynch candidates at the time by his own accord, without almost any reason attached to it? I fail to see how this is pro-town in any way. So someone you consider "unreadable" through their posts, is supposed to help town? Trolling, in your opinion, may not be indicative of alignment but how can you consider anyone offering actual opinions and thoughts as a better day 1 lynch than somoeone who is literally offering us nothing (in your opinion) to read him based off of. Also, you fail to add in my second point of how all his "forms of trolling" have basically been done in the threads by others beforehand. This is an ez mode way to blend in by doing something someone else did. Read any game with BM in it. A. 90% he's scum. and B. when he's left unchecked town often lose So you think its ok to tell people that they must focus on only BKE in a game of 27, yet when someone votes BKE with no reason thats ok? There is a huge contradiction there. If BKE flips town, and we have 14+ voters on him with very little reason, his mis-lynch will yield zero information to town. People should be pushing for peoples reasons and thoughts, not for just them to vote for their favorite lynch candidate. I think you are completely wrong and are reading things in a wrong way. I can't tell if this is on purpose or not. I'm not sure how my reasoning would be considered random. I explained why I thought the 2 people that I thought. You seem much more concerned with meta gaming then focusing on the game you in right now. Saying that someone is scum in 90% of past games shows that you are behaving irrationally, emotionally, or just plain being disruptive. As well as a deficiency in statistical analysis  I am saying that its not a coincidence and that its not random. Also, would you like to look at BM's last 10 or so games. I think its like atleast 60%. And this is far from irrational or emtional. Its calculated and helpful | ||
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Mattchew
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On July 02 2012 06:23 Mandalor wrote: I said I didn't catch up to the thread. That implies I've read parts of it. Whether that's 10 pages or 14 or 8 is irrelevant I think? I didn't know that was important. There are several people that voted and changed their mind during the course of day1. I didn't change my mind, although I'm not at all sure about BKE, but I don't see how that makes me scum. It means you did not consume all the information available to you before making an opinion. The vote seemed forced out of you by the way the thread was going. | ||
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On July 02 2012 06:19 Mandalor wrote: You left my third post out and decided to summarize and add some nice flavor to it. You know, the whole voting for someone because he was highlighted yadda yadda. I never said or implied any of that. I gave my reasoning in my third post. And you repeat that I voted for BKE with no reason. It's right there. It's fine that you think I'm scum, but you're not helping town by putting words in my mouth. You just join the people that have a case against me and add some lies to it. That's nice, I think I did this in mafia 3. I gave my reasons in post 3. Nothing to add, really. Here's a link to my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514&user=2074 I know the link to your filter extremely well trust me. You claim that I summarized it too vaguely. Mind telling me your reason other than his disturbance to the thread, why you think BKE is scum or a good lynch? I am just using your own words. On July 01 2012 10:21 Mandalor wrote: On Day1, I feel like there's only two good options for town. a) kill a lurker b) kill a guy that causes trouble just hours into the game I don't like option a). Playing as mafia is fun. You hang around in a chat channel and make your plans. You're probably more busy with the chat than writing in the thread, but still... you're less likely to lurk. If the mafia is smart, they will have a couple of lurkers, but definitely not the majority so the odds of killing a town lurker is a lot higher on day1. BKE qualifies for option b). Whether or not he's mafia, I personally don't like people in my game that use words like "scummy" judging people's first post in the game. Noone has posted enough in this game that I could possibly have built a good enough opinion on them, but apparently he can do that. I'm not even going to address his newbie-theory. I'm not saying I'm sure about BKE whatsoever, but he's our best option in my book. | ||
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