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On June 19 2012 05:12 wherebugsgo wrote: I wish this game were smaller ^ setup looks good and <3 wiggles, but I can't do another big game right now | ||
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On June 17 2012 18:57 gonzaw wrote: D1 marv policy lynch. I'm sure verybody wul woujld follow that you're my D4 policy lynch if you're still alive then you're scum | ||
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My campaign slogan is "Save VE, the beautiful and endangered species from the rabid newbies". | ||
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On June 30 2012 06:07 marvellosity wrote: I personally estimate by the end of day 1 I will have a longer filter than 50% of the game despite not playing ^ | ||
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On June 30 2012 10:50 ghost_403 wrote: People I don't want in LYLO with me:
I vote we start this game off by lynching one of them, because getting a solid read on any one of them is rather difficult. This list has been generated based on my experience with them in previous games, which means at worst, we've got a 22% chance of hitting scum. And if not, I don't want them in my town at lylo anyways. Who's with me? lol | ||
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On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote: I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies. Aren't you a newbie? | ||
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On June 30 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote: Hello folks. I'll be joining the ranks of the scum hunters once again (5th time in a row!). This is my first large game, so it's going to be an adjustment...but one I'm capable of making. Being that it's friday night I will be scarce, but I'll be active on saturday, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of material to analyze. Stay tuned. Expectations. BKE, I still consider myself a newbie and I've played way more games than you, lol. | ||
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I'm going to stop my spam, though I expect you guys to not stop. Consider it. | ||
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On June 30 2012 16:24 BroodKingEXE wrote: I cant think of a town reason to post this batshit insane. Sarcasm? Until you answer: ##Vote: casualman Casual town, bke bad or scum | ||
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On June 30 2012 11:28 NoSmurfHere wrote: I'm not kidding, my role PM is like "you're a Role Name.". Let's kill this guy: ##vote mKmKmK Kenpachi rule. | ||
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But as usual, lynching scum is better jajajaja. We have guns for other situations. | ||
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On June 30 2012 17:28 Hyaach wrote: Quick before ET metas you. Wat? | ||
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On June 30 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote: Hello folks. I'll be joining the ranks of the scum hunters once again (5th time in a row!). This is my first large game, so it's going to be an adjustment...but one I'm capable of making. Being that it's friday night I will be scarce, but I'll be active on saturday, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of material to analyze. Stay tuned. Acro, funny you mention liar because this post gave me the same vibe. Don't forget it ^^ | ||
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On June 30 2012 23:30 Vivax wrote: That self-vote stunt wasn't shitty evidence. It was probably planned in egocentrical way by a scum player. I can understand if someone placed his vote on somebody else for no apparent reason, since that will immediately force someone to defend himself (or he can try and make it look like he's lurking). I don't see how a self-vote would create a good atmoshpere for town. It might all be for shits and giggles pre-game, but ingame it just might be an exaggerated attempt to act like an overconfident townie and just causes confusion. If you asked me who I would vote for right now, then it would be either VE or acrofales. This is epicmafia level logic. AKA, not good. Even if you regarded VE's actions as bad, that does not make acrofales his scumbuddy. Scumbuddies often soft defend, but acrofales did an out and out defense of VE; this does not point to any significant connection between them. mKmK or BM best lynches, so far. | ||
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On June 30 2012 19:32 Bill Murray wrote: Acrofales, it's not OMGUS when I have reasoning You have chainsawed You have also set up a chance for a weak ass switch to the BW on BKExe scummy as fuck ##unvote ##vote acro This is the case on BM. | ||
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On June 30 2012 22:33 Hyaach wrote: its not lurk ville 300. i just have no idea how to play day 1s. I'm not talking about you hunny. | ||
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Kenpachi rule. Wishy washy reaction towards VT claim while trying to paint it in bad light. On June 30 2012 22:21 mKmKmK wrote: VE, the way you sad that BM may be the first lynch, but then went ahead and voted for BKE seems pretty much like your trying to start a bandwagon on BKE. I know that there are valid arguments saying that he is scum, but the way you said is giving me a really scummy impression from you. Also, I have a feeling that Kurumi is scum. I'm not sure why, he's just giving me bad vibes. Says "I know there are valid arguements saying he is scum", yet he gets "a scummy impression" from one of his phrasings, so VE's valid arguments are no longer valid? Logical disconnect. "Feelings" and "vibes". No FoS, no vote. Very little reasoning, TBH. Waiting for a bandwagon. | ||
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By simple read throughs, I'm not sure how you can possibly support BM over VE. | ||
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On July 01 2012 00:37 Vivax wrote: I don't know about this game, but in one of the games I played as scum, mafia got a mail with the VT role pm they could use to fake claim VT. That might have been NoSmurfHere actually using that information in his favor immediately. Can we know if mafia got a VT role pm? It doesn't really matter whether or not Mafia got the VT role PM. Knowing Wiggles, they definitely did. I'm not concerned with NoSmurfHere, I'm concerned with mKmKmK. | ||
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On June 30 2012 14:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote: [/b][/blue]Also, please stop discussing role PMs. The OP clearly states: This is true for all roles. I don't want to discuss NoSmurfHere's wording of the claim; I'm focusing on the fact that he generically claimed Vanilla Townie, and mKmKmK reacting strangely at it ("vague post is vague") is an eye catcher. | ||
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On July 01 2012 00:48 Vivax wrote: I would also advise town to wonder why acrofales made his first case against the guy suspecting the person he defended just before. My conclusion is that VE doesn't look particularly scummy or townie, and that BM's case on him was bad. Therefore, Acrofales defending VE and attacking BM seems good to me. If you are town, I would advise you slow down because you are beginning to look flustered. | ||
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BM would be informative, mK would be accurate. Putting on my vote for mK. Hi adam. | ||
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On July 01 2012 04:24 s0Lstice wrote: ET what do you think of Katina? It's Katina, so I have no clue. If her reads start flipping town, then I'll be more suspicious. On July 01 2012 04:47 Acrofales wrote: @ET: s0lstice's post satisfies me with regards to his earlier promise to give his reads during the day. You agree? No. I expect a lot from a townie s0Lstice. Unfair? A bit, but it's no less than I'd expect from slOosh, Cephiro, gonzaw. On July 01 2012 05:57 casualman wrote: phase 2 Hey Adam, remember my first game? When sephirothag or whoever crucified himself for no reason? This is the MrZentor variety of it. | ||
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On June 30 2012 22:21 mKmKmK wrote: VE, the way you sad that BM may be the first lynch, but then went ahead and voted for BKE seems pretty much like your trying to start a bandwagon on BKE. I know that there are valid arguments saying that he is scum, but the way you said is giving me a really scummy impression from you. Also, I have a feeling that Kurumi is scum. I'm not sure why, he's just giving me bad vibes. Hey guys. This is a scum claim. I called him out on it. He hasn't responded to my post. Look at the first post he made: On June 30 2012 10:11 mKmKmK wrote: Your enthusiasm is inspiring. This is actually my first game of TL Mafia, so im pretty psyched, and will most likely make really make arguments, so please bear with me! As a fellow townie I hope that we can all work as a team to find the scum, and lynch them! Until they all die! YEAH! Taking a page from Radfield's book; he was all eager to play, calling himself fellow townie and shiz, now he lurks in the dark while being accused? HE'S SCUM. So obvious. The only negative to his lynch is that it would be really low info. Before you jump at me like "oh we lynch for scum not lynch for info"; if you can get both out of a lynch, that is optimal. On July 01 2012 06:50 Vivax wrote: You speak in riddles for me, who is Adam?And how is that event similar to this one? Also, could you explain me fully what the kenpachi rule is? I didn't play these games where you learned what you learned. Adam is a player in this game. Sephirothag was a newbie town who played in a really obvious scummy way, who was promptly mislynched D1; casualman is doing something similar but in the "mrzentor" variety. Basically, whereas sephirothag was writing big posts that were contentless, casualman is posting tiny posts that are trolly. It seems pretty obviously town to me, but Adam is right that casualman is not trying at all, which is not good at all. I already explained the Kenpachi rule. Sorry for the code speak. I need to think a bit about the lynch. While I am pretty confident that mKmKmK is mafia, I need to see if any of the cases people posted aren't god awful. | ||
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People no doubt are going to say "oh he's just a lurker, I can't really tell from such few posts"; this feels obvious as hell to me. As obvious as Gambit and Maju were in TL LV. Just, really fn obvious scum. Any disagreements? | ||
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On July 01 2012 20:19 Vivax wrote: I fear lynching him for the possibility that he's just a blue role trying to keep his head low. That said, I think ET should not jump on him so easily based on a policy formed through previous games. ......................................... | ||
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On July 02 2012 06:42 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Marvellosity has replaced KtheZ! Oh God not again pls | ||
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Where is everyone? Where is ghost's vote lol???? | ||
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On July 02 2012 06:44 marvellosity wrote: Not scum, I promise <3 D4 policy lynch | ||
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On July 02 2012 06:46 marvellosity wrote: I'm not voting BKexe today. ET seemed to have a read on mkmkmk which seemed ok. Are there any other options? Casual, mandalor, bm are narrower options It's plurality lynch so mass switches more feasible | ||
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Way more entertaining than masses of unreadable newbies | ||
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And kurumi's vote on mk is a hard stance, it appears. | ||
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I'm sticking with an mk lynch. If he flips town, fox is on deathbed. Godspeed town. | ||
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On July 02 2012 08:34 s0Lstice wrote: I was feeling pretty good about mKmKmK until I saw how the votes fell on him. Maybe it's paranoia, but like Katina said, it felt pretty easy to get him a majority. You were one of the last voters ............... .......... Ahhhhhhhhhh | ||
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Mk hasn't voted, not playing at all. In my exp, a scum team wouldve been like omfgbbq Vote ffs Ft has done a vote and looks bad by same standards. Reminds me of cccalf from soaf, gambit from tl lv Manmode super balls switch engage Switch to ft nowwwwwww | ||
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On July 02 2012 08:59 NoSmurfHere wrote: 90% sure VE is scum since most of his vote posts contain almost no reasoning at all. Also, he's not pushing any of the lynches he's on, he's just hopping on already-moving bandwagons (or increasing town sentiment basically) His votes have gone BKE-BM-Fox and there's minimal reasoning for all of those votes. In addition at each point he's ignored most of the other cases and he's influenced the flow of votes without pushing the lynches himself. He also misconstrues the case on mK. It's not entirely the Kenpachi rule, though that's pretty good in itself. The scummiest thing about mK is that he said he was excited to play and then upon the game starting he disappeared. No excitement or enthusiasm at all. Mk hasn't even voted though. I came to the same conclusion that his lurking was a disonnect, but at this point he is simply not playing, rather than doing a calculated lurk. | ||
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Mr Smurf is clearly experienced; id keep an eye on him. | ||
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honestly, why has no one accused me yet? Feels weird | ||
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We're just spamming now; I'm quiet until lynch. | ||
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On July 02 2012 15:17 drwiggl3s wrote: So here's what should be learned from day 1. BKExe gained first suspicions. Votes were put on him. His posting increased at a rapid rate where he wasn't so much as defending himself as he was putting suspicion on others. There was also a increase of posting by a few others who were soft defending him while pointing fingers at others. mkmkmk get read as scum by numerous people. All while being pretty much just missing in action. Votes are pushed to him as an easy D1 lynch. Somehow (I have no clue how his posts were read as scum), people hint and drop Fox's name as a possible scum candidate. After testing the waters, a bandwagon is launched on him and it get's the votes. This lynch not only killed a fellow town, but it also netted 0 information on who else could be scum. I'd like to throw suspicion on those who are actively throwing suspicion onto others. As the people they are reading as scum are giving me no sense of scumminess at all. While the people who do appear scummy seem to have a team of like minded individuals backing up their claims and dismissing others. For the love of town, if you're town, don't settle for these mislynches. If we were going to lynch someone, it should have been someone that actually had people defending them. At least this way their death (in vain or not) would give us some valuable information on the people posting in this thread. Any lynch that doesn't support this idea, is a lynch that is proposed by the mafia, and we should look to those who propose it as our next targets. What about mandalor, acro/VE/BM, Katina, casualman? Did you forget all of these other cases and back and forths? You're being short sighted and extremely critical of town while ignoring a lot of the rest of the day, and acting as though town did something god awful stupid while you were not a big part of the proceedings at all. "I'd like to throw suspicion on those who are actively throwing suspicion onto others." This is the most ironic statement I have ever read. There was a considerable amount of resistance against the mkmkmk lynch (multiple people saying they only viewed mk as a lurker lynch, multiple saying they had a townish read on him); if you're critizing this mislynch as no one defending it, how is mkmkmk such a terrible lynch? On July 02 2012 17:36 drwiggl3s wrote: mkmkmk lynch never made sense to me, and unless you give me some justification for it, anyone pushing for this is giving me a scum read. The only justification I can think of for the Foxtrotter wagon, was that there was a tie between BroodKingExe, Foxtrotter, and mkmkmk. Since they couldn't push enough votes onto mkmkmk to ensure BroodKingexe wouldn't get ninja lynched by some last minute votes, they sprung a new bandwagon on Foxtrotter. I do agree with Bill Murray in that some people who pushed for the Foxtrotter wagon need to be lynched. Although I'm curious as to who he thinks would be a good target. To me, the best target is already apparent. But since I have no good town read or scum read on Bill, I'd like to hear what he thinks. I feel like you haven't even been keeping up with the game at all. mkmkmk was in the lead for votes and there was little to no chance that bke was going to be lynched; the mass switch to foxtrot, at least in my personal case, was done because foxtrot seemed more likely to be scum. Hindsight is 20/20 yo. While true that the foxtrot wagon should be looked at, while we don't know the alignments of mkmkmk/BKE, it's weird to make these weird conclusions like "pushing mkmk is scummy". I have an awful feeling that VE is scum, but we all know how that game goes... Everyone is absent now, what gives? While there isn't the normal assortment of old-time vets, there are numerous competant new players that I've witnessed first hand taking control of a game to help push town forward. At the moment the number of players that have been actually pushing town discussion continuously I can count on one hand, which is extremely troubling for this game. | ||
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On July 02 2012 17:41 drwiggl3s wrote: Also (sorry for some spam here) @ Mandalor. You say we should lynch someone listed in Mattchew's analysis. Yet in the same post you say his analysis is "hilariously bad". I propose that his list is all town. See how it excludes BKexe for example? You are making weird assumptions about people's alignments. I don't know how you can assume bke is scum, or that all of Mattchew's list is town. Your assurance is just... weird. Are you a smurf or just weirdly confident in your own reads? Adam, wtfafkbbq | ||
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On July 02 2012 17:53 Mandalor wrote: I agree. However, he's orchestrating town's play right now. He gave literally no reason for the Foxtrotter lynch, yet 9 people jump on the boat and the guy is lynched. I don't think the voters are all mafia. I'd be surprised if there's more than two mafia voting for foxtrotter. Sooo, obviously he holds a lot of weight. I guess he played well in the last mafia games. Best possible scenario is town ignores what he says and we actually kill a red. But I don't think that's going to happen. Both of us just don't hold a lot of weight. You're either a smurf or this really is your first game. And the last mafia game I played is so long ago, I don't think I've played with anyone in this before. ....marv started the lynch on Foxtrotter. Are you guys confused with names or not keeping up with the game? | ||
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He gave literally no reason for the Foxtrotter lynch; Stop saying nonsense like this. It's literally insulting to keep on repeating this line like a broken record when there was a clearly stated reason for the Foxtrotter lynch. It's impossible that every person on the Foxtrotter lynch is scum, so the only conclusion you're coming to is that all townies on his lynch are stupid and bad. I'm sure post-game we're going to get a licking for the mass switch, but to keep on harping on and on about how "you guys are terrible, lol lol lol" is helping nothing and is just strange coming from people not at the forefront of discussion. | ||
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On July 02 2012 17:47 drwiggl3s wrote: If you want the most information out of a lynch. Then when the sun rises tomorrow - we kill Mattchew. If he's scum, everyone on that list is town. And we have 5 (6th person would have been foxtrott) people who can be labelled confirm town for the rest of the game. Officially on the ignore list. Your logic is terrible. | ||
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On July 02 2012 17:59 Mandalor wrote: Please point me to that post, must've missed it. lol didn't read... | ||
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I realize that I'm implying you two are stupid with my implicit posts, but at least you're fn posting. All I can conclude from many other players is that they are scum lurking or simply don't care about the game at all. | ||
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"FT's vote on MK was weak". You guys make it seem like this is a phony reason. This exact reason in action in another game: On February 19 2012 05:50 TKHawkins wrote: ##Vote: EchelonTee He rides the coat tails of other people's thoughts + Show Spoiler + On February 18 2012 09:54 EchelonTee wrote: you're hilarious. DoYouHas, I'm soft defending gumshoe now. I guess you were writing up your post without seeing the updates. We have the same thoughts though. Let's lynch MidnightGladius. Or DimmuKloK no seriously, I gtg. I love the activity though, so refreshing He then jumps along with jaj22's post and votes for Midnight. He would not be on my radar if it wasn't for that. I can't see a strong reason for the MidnightGladius vote especially with both the people voting for him not backing up their vote once it's questioned. TKHawkins votes me for really weak reason; guess what he was scum. Is it a legendary auto heuristic that catches scum 24/7? No, but it's a legitimate reason. | ||
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On July 02 2012 18:11 drwiggl3s wrote: If your town, please post and discuss this with us. Else this is just going to be washed out by all the Mafia's random finger pointing / speculating / useless crap posts. ^ Please do. | ||
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On July 02 2012 18:15 drwiggl3s wrote: Whether or not Mattchew is scum is up for interpretation. But one thing that isn't, is that if we lynch him, and he turns as scum, then that will net us the most information. More then any other lynch that could be made right now. ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!?!? you don't even sort of believe he is scum yet you want to kill him? oh my god....................... | ||
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On July 02 2012 18:15 Acrofales wrote: Just saw I posted as kingdedede. Kingdedede is me (SSB game). Also, ET is making sense and people should listen to him. ET, what do you think of Vivax and layabout? Funny that you mention layabout, because I thought that it was odd that he said "move foxtrot up the kill list", but was completely AWOL for the switch. It seems like something that he would've liked to get moving if he believed foxtrot to be scum, since it was clear BKE was not going to be lynched. Need to do a re-read of him tomorrow. He feels odd, but layabout often posts sort of scummy (citation, TL LII jubjub). Vivax is more curious; while I disagree with a lot of his logic, I still have him in the null category because a lot of his reactions can be explained from a townie perspective. I'm actually sleeping. Acro, I really hope your buddying is coming from a good place because I could really use it atm. Tell me what you think of s0Lstice? | ||
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I'm confused at this one statement; are you saying that because I'm the only one that said "where the hell is ghost" that tipped you off? I wouldn't have applied early pressure to BM, nor would I have done a vote switch as scum; that doesn't fit my playstyle, but I don't expect you to believe me based just on that. I'm not an early busser (citation: TL LII jubjub, Liar Game). Also, I probably wouldn't have gone for such "easy fry" cases in mkmk and FT; why would I push two people likely to die that would incriminate me? Most of your case is based off of my hesitancy and being unsure about one case or the other, which does look bad, but that's simply how I felt on each particular issue and I've been as open as I could be on my feelings towards players. Call me hesitant, but not deceptive. I felt off about the mkmkmk lynch later in the day (a feeling which proved to be true) and thus wanted to switch. FT looked like a decent option so I went over. I realize that I am asking for leniency based on meta which is bullcrap, and because I pushed ~2 mislynches I look quite terrible; I'm just going to try and push better lynches and act more pro-town. I spent a lot of time arguing with wiggl3s because I detest bad logic; that shouldn't say anything about my alignment. Going to make a few posts on who I think is scum, following. | ||
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On July 03 2012 23:10 ghost_403 wrote: @ET: Yeah, pointing out that I'm gone for an entire cycle is my only criteria for finding scum. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Is this sarcasm? I touched on your other points as well, ghost. | ||
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I didn't read or check how the game went after I stopped posting, but I'm sure that my in-game actions/replacing out didn't help town much at all. GG WP scum team. | ||
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