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On July 11 2012 08:59 Vivax wrote:
@ Acro
Really? Don't you remember the moment you and Kurumi saved twelve from getting lynched when you switched your vote to ET along with me?
Please tell me which scum player would prefer one mislynch only over a mislynch and a modkill of two townies.
A scum player looking for a better townie to kill. Since when have you been against a Twelve lynch anyway? You've been hounding him as hard as any other player hear. The only reason you voted for ET was because you thought he was more likely to be scum than Twelve. I think you are trying to buy points for your share in the mislynch, maybe pulling a townie or two down with you.
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Start backing up the stuff you write with quotes so you don't have to embarass yourself when others have to do it for you.
Cause you apparently are too lazy to go back and reread what happened when people switched to ET instead of Twelve.
Hint: It wasn't just cause people believed ET to be more scummy.
Double hint: Every mislynch helps mafia except for very specific cases.
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On July 11 2012 08:59 Vivax wrote:
@ Acro
Really? Don't you remember the moment you and Kurumi saved twelve from getting lynched when you switched your vote to ET along with me?
Please tell me which scum player would prefer one mislynch only over a mislynch and a modkill of two townies.
Not gonna try and wifom why scum would do it, but honestly I don't see much difference. If scum was confident they could push for a Twelve mislynch later in the game, why not waste 2 mislynches?
Nevertheless, I don't actually think scum masterminded this mislynch, and it was all on us. Nobody had to push the case today, it was already there and ready for us after last night. With nobody pushing alternative cases, everybody just shut up and there was little useful discussion.
Lets not do the same tomorrow. I still want to kill Grush, mainly based on Katina pushing for casualman. At the same time she pushed casualman, she completely ignored grush, despite the two having very similar behaviour this game. Now this is the kind of associative connection case I can work with. However, there are 2 other members of team scum that we need to find, and time is slowly running out. I'll be filtering today and seeing if I missed something in my list yesterday, and updating my spreadsheet with the information that Twelve is town. I suggest everybody else does the same and we actually discuss stuff tomorrow.
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The credit for this mislynch goes to katina for defending Twelve.
Looked a bit through the filters:
- casualman asked for a VE lynch all the time. Katina kept asking for a vote on casu, katina also defended twelve. So I'd expect casu to be a possible scum member too, since katina's actions were one-way-WIFOMS imo. Defending town, attacking scum.
- maju posted a case against katina when she was already set to be lynched. Maju is the type of guy who doesn't troll, keeps activity to a minimum, and doesn't post game changing information at timings where it would matter. He's more readable than grush and casualman cause he doesn't write derp things, but his play fits a scum role with what I could gain.
- grushs readable posts:
On July 02 2012 01:57 grush57 wrote:
I have to agree. Atleast BM isn't going full retard like casualman. Casualman doesn't want to play and is just being plain stupid. Plus, he is by far playing the most scummiest so far.
Also, he voted for 5 townies and then katina before re-voting twelve.
It was impossible to save katina from that claim, so there's been scum voting for her 100%.
On July 08 2012 01:54 grush57 wrote:
No one claimed getting roleblocked, Katina has been getting pressured a lot, so there IS a good chance he got framed.
grush defended katina + bm so far.
Right now I'd go for grush, then maju.
Btw, WHO HAS BEEN ROLEBLOCKED before katina died? We indeed had noone claiming a RB yet.
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On July 11 2012 19:52 Vivax wrote:
The credit for this mislynch goes to katina for defending Twelve.
Looked a bit through the filters:
- casualman asked for a VE lynch all the time. Katina kept asking for a vote on casu, katina also defended twelve. So I'd expect casu to be a possible scum member too, since katina's actions were one-way-WIFOMS imo. Defending town, attacking scum.
Based on what do you draw this conclusion? This can equally well be spun the other way round and it is really dangerous to use this kind of reasoning. Katina *should* have enough experience to lead us either way on this. The reason I found Twelve scummy wasn't Katina defending him so much as him defending Katina. Turns out that connection was false too.
However, if you believe what you say, why do you not follow up with this logic? Why do you want to lynch Grush rather than casualman (or Mandalor)? I try to follow your logic, but you're making it REALLY hard :S
- maju posted a case against katina when she was already set to be lynched. Maju is the type of guy who doesn't troll, keeps activity to a minimum, and doesn't post game changing information at timings where it would matter. He's more readable than grush and casualman cause he doesn't write derp things, but his play fits a scum role with what I could gain.
Given that after all this time I still have a pretty null read on Maju, I agree with this assessment. He is either scum who is flying neatly under the radar or town who does not give a fuck. Distinguishing between the two is really hard to do and I don't know what side of the fence Maju falls.
Katina has a "soft attack" on Maju when ghost asks her what she thinks, but I read it mainly as her voicing what ghost wants to hear, rather than an actual opinion. Ghost, what is your opinion of the exchange, and Maju in general?
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I prefer grush cause he was never arsed to write something making sense except when there was scum to defend.
All his somewhat readable sentences are there cause he's defending BM and katina. Other readable things are townie votes, he jumped on both the mKmK and the twelve bandwagon. And I repeat: whenever he actually cared to articulate something properly, he defended scum with it.
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@Vivax: Cite your sources. I want to see why you want to lynch Grush.
@acro: I had him marked down as scum on my spreadsheet, but I'm reconsidering. Rereading what he posted, it seems that he honestly wants to figure out what's going on in this game (at least early on in the game). He recently rolled scum in Basterd Mafia 2, so I'm going to have to go back and reread that at some point to see how he plays scum. Right now, I'm thinking he's a townie with too little thread presence.
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Jeez, ghost, my previous post already contained the quotes from grush. Did you even read it?
+ Show Spoiler +On July 11 2012 19:52 Vivax wrote:- grushs readable posts: Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 01:57 grush57 wrote:
I have to agree. Atleast BM isn't going full retard like casualman. Casualman doesn't want to play and is just being plain stupid. Plus, he is by far playing the most scummiest so far.
Also, he voted for 5 townies and then katina before re-voting twelve. It was impossible to save katina from that claim, so there's been scum voting for her 100%. Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 01:54 grush57 wrote:
No one claimed getting roleblocked, Katina has been getting pressured a lot, so there IS a good chance he got framed. grush defended katina + bm so far.
On July 11 2012 22:41 ghost_403 wrote:
@acro: Rereading what he posted, it seems that he honestly wants to figure out what's going on in this game (at least early on in the game).
Cite your sources 
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i'll die tonight. VE needs to be lynched.
his skimping by and not playing his usual game. probably by next lynch him or grush. but don't leave him till LYLO/MYLO
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On July 11 2012 23:58 Hyaach wrote:
i'll die tonight. VE needs to be lynched.
his skimping by and not playing his usual game. probably by next lynch him or grush. but don't leave him till LYLO/MYLO
Do you think VE is more likely to flip scum?
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Ghost, you seem to think Grush is a town troll? The most salient mention of grush in your filter seems to be:
On July 07 2012 08:13 ghost_403 wrote:
@NSH: AFAIK, grush hasn't actually played any games as scum. He trolls a lot no matter what. I would think he would troll less if he rolled scum. He seems to be trolling more this game. We'll have to keep an eye on him.
Do you still think that? Why? If you think Grush is town, then who do you think we should lynch tomorrow?
For the record, did you find any scum games by Grush? He was town in Bastard 2 and Space Station as well. Really hard to meta game him.
I still want to lynch grush based on these things:
Item 1
On July 08 2012 01:54 grush57 wrote:
No one claimed getting roleblocked, Katina has been getting pressured a lot, so there IS a good chance he got framed.
NSH says he was trapping for this: a scum who knew more about the roles than he should. It could equally well be speculation, but it definitely IS a defense of Katina.
Item 2
On July 07 2012 11:11 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 11:01 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 07 2012 10:57 Katina wrote:On July 07 2012 10:52 Hyaach wrote:
u defend bm day one. added post after mkmk lyncht make it seem like you care. add on cases where the ebtire towns are divides in half. bke is my green check too. makes me suspect u even nore. cman is a troll and i dont know what to make of mandanlor and myself? lol. I do care.. The town is just about always half divided. BKE is green on your supposed "check" So trolls can't be Mafia? I find it interesting that you would let a troll live over someone who is posting their reads and trying to help the town find Mafia. You don't know what to make of yourself? Interesting. I would imagine you would have some idea by now. You never answered why you completely ignore grush the troll but not casualman the troll. What separates the trolls? What seperates them is that grush has posts where he actually says something. While casualman goes in active for almost the whole game and pops in to insult people or say "let's lynch this guy!!" I admit I have overlooked grush and a few other people this game. There have been others I can get an actual read on and casualman is just too bad and getting ignored too much to be true.
Honestly, if Grush is town I see no reason for Katina to defend him like this, except very very maybe to be able to say post-hoc "I told you so". Trying to make sense of connections to Katina is hard, though. She fingered Adam as town, but she fingered Twelve and ShiaoPi as town too. We've already screwed up on Twelve and would probably have screwed up with ShiaoPi too if Hyaach's green check hadn't cleared him.
As for casualman? I've got even less of a read on him. It's pathetic really.
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@vivax: I'm not ignoring you, I'll post that in a bit.
@acro: AFAIK, he hasn't played any games as scum.
I don't think we can really make too much out of Katina's connections. She's not a great scum player, but she's not bad by any stretch of the imagination. I would think long and hard before using any of her reads to figure out alignments. But, you're right, that coherent Katina post is kinda damning. NSH brought that to attention a while ago, and I agree with him on that account.
I'm still trying to make sense of casualman. @CM: y u vote VE?
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I dislike casualman because of my gut related to RoL's play in one of the games (he was feigning AFK while being Mafia Poisoner, voted 2 minutes before the deadline and avoided lynch that way because everyone thought that he was going to get modkilled...) and the "what would host do" WIFOM and he never voted Katina. His vote was on VE for like two or three days now.
But oh well. I think grush will flip scum. Defended confirmed scum, defended by confirmed scum, reluctant to vote scum, nothing of substance in his play, we know he is around but doesn't contribute. I know where my vote goes tomorrow.
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Same, grush is the scums, he's got my vote tomorrow.
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On July 12 2012 00:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Same, grush is the scums, he's got my vote tomorrow.
STILL JUST A RAT IN THE CAAAAAAAAAGE
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Fun fact: Majugarzett autorolls scum. We should lynch him based on that fact alone. For reference, see Bastard Mafia 2 and TLM LV.
I've looked back at those posts that I thought were pro-town, and I can't really find them. Maju's been playing scummy all game, and I don't think that's because he's a lazy townie. He seems to post posts that are mildly insightful, and then just kind of drop them. His earlier posting was not terribad, later posting is
Interestingly, none of the better lynched townies said anything substantial of Maju. There are almost no references to him in the filters of NSH, austinmcc, marv, or even s0lstice. Almost nothing. This guy has been lurking like a boss all game long. I vote we rip him out of the shadows and see what's going on.
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On July 12 2012 03:58 ghost_403 wrote:
Fun fact: Majugarzett autorolls scum. We should lynch him based on that fact alone. For reference, see Bastard Mafia 2 and TLM LV.
I've looked back at those posts that I thought were pro-town, and I can't really find them. Maju's been playing scummy all game, and I don't think that's because he's a lazy townie. He seems to post posts that are mildly insightful, and then just kind of drop them. His earlier posting was not terribad, later posting is
Interestingly, none of the better lynched townies said anything substantial of Maju. There are almost no references to him in the filters of NSH, austinmcc, marv, or even s0lstice. Almost nothing. This guy has been lurking like a boss all game long. I vote we rip him out of the shadows and see what's going on.
How can you possibly think my posts have had less content than Grush's? Also maybe no one mentioned me because they didn't find me scummy. The players mentioned are all town so how is them not mentioning me relevant to any case about me being scum? You seem to have no reasoning behind thinking I'm scum and not an inactive townie.
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On July 12 2012 04:07 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 03:58 ghost_403 wrote:
Fun fact: Majugarzett autorolls scum. We should lynch him based on that fact alone. For reference, see Bastard Mafia 2 and TLM LV.
I've looked back at those posts that I thought were pro-town, and I can't really find them. Maju's been playing scummy all game, and I don't think that's because he's a lazy townie. He seems to post posts that are mildly insightful, and then just kind of drop them. His earlier posting was not terribad, later posting is
Interestingly, none of the better lynched townies said anything substantial of Maju. There are almost no references to him in the filters of NSH, austinmcc, marv, or even s0lstice. Almost nothing. This guy has been lurking like a boss all game long. I vote we rip him out of the shadows and see what's going on. How can you possibly think my posts have had less content than Grush's? Also maybe no one mentioned me because they didn't find me scummy. The players mentioned are all town so how is them not mentioning me relevant to any case about me being scum? You seem to have no reasoning behind thinking I'm scum and not an inactive townie.
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Die.
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Yes yes, I'm all for lynching maju.
His conscious silence in this game wasn't a good thing to do. Look how he shows up all of a sudden that he's in danger.
I would really love to hear some defense.
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lol, cant believe Maju just jumps out like that.
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