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alan133
Malaysia159 Posts
@sciberbia I think I am too far fetched from your original intention for asking about my lynch time, but I you can tell I switched to focusing on getting a 3rd scum in the middle of the night phase, and I posted my pm long before host's blue text. The confidence is making me way more careless :S | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On June 17 2012 12:27 suki wrote: @crossfire never said that. thats just twisting my words. his suspicions target inconsistencies in his opponent's behaviour. ie 'i did this to you and you called it scummy, but look, you also did it to me, so how are your actions not scummy?' if you're going to throw out your suspicions, you should be doing it in a way that hilites scum/suspicious behaviour. pointing out these kind of inconsistencies isn't going to help the scum hunt and it only serves as a method of self defence. i have no idea he's blue. you're judging me with information that i didn't have. it's also scummy to stay in the background, i was pressuring him to actually contribute to town. not wanting to be in the spotlight is also mafia trait. I don't think your case against me is strong at all crossfire. It comes down a lot to knowing now that alan was blue, information that nobody had at that point in the game, and my pressure to force him to contribute more towards the town, as opposed to staying out of the spotlight. At this point, we know that he had good motivation for doing so because he was blue, but that's information we didn't have back then. Ugh, you are right. Rereading my case on you I realized I base too much on knowing that alan is town now, but we didn't know that then, so I can't use a lot of that to judge you. I still don't like you attacking him for being too defensive, though. The way you worded you statement makes it seem that he shouldn't have defended himself, but if that's not what you meant...I guess I'll take that. I did read your post on trackdoor and looked through his filter and you make some good points. Right now I need to take a step back and think, though. I'm not entirely sure what's happening. I need to get my bearings. I'm going to unvote you for now and sleep on it. ##Unvote Unforgiven, what are your thought on all that has been happening? Mouldy didn't help out so much (hence being replaced), so I want some of your thoughts. | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
Venezuela1232 Posts
Seeing you have killed 2 mafia, we are in a ver confortable position, dont kill me because of me lurking. The last scum you killed was playing a very standard mafia (seeing as he was one of my reads whit me just reading 10 pages at once) we need to see if he left a connection to someone. i had mixed reads from the posts of austincc, he being killed is very weird, because (to me) solstice and sciberbia are much much better players (no offense austin) and they have posted a couple of analysis. So, give a couple days please and i will try to help town if you havent killed the last mafia when i comeback, but i trust you will get him | ||
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Unforgiven_ve
Venezuela1232 Posts
On June 17 2012 14:13 Crossfire99 wrote: - Unforgiven, what are your thought on all that has been happening? Mouldy didn't help out so much (hence being replaced), so I want some of your thoughts. Sorry, didnt see this, to be honest, i have no idea of was happening right now, my only help to town right now will be my vote. I will try really hard to long in tomorrow and vote for your best candidate. I cant read 10 pages now :S, it sucks to be a replacement | ||
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
i'd be happy to be on the list if there was one generated. but i want trackd00r at the #1 spot on the list. that's my trade off. bold move from s0lstice and i am also wary of this being a scum-slip. how about: Trackd00r, Me, s0stice, 4th person (i dont mind because i think Trackd00r will flip red). i'm wary of unforgiven also, he's replaced MJ yet morphed into the same character. | ||
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
On June 17 2012 09:39 Crossfire99 wrote: Can a mafia roleblocker both roleblock and kill in the same night? Is the rule different if he is the last scum? The mafia roleblocker cannot roleblock and kill in the same night. If he is the last scum he may do so though. On June 17 2012 12:50 sciberbia wrote: Is alan allowed to tell us what time he submitted his night action and if he submitted it to both hosts? Yes. As long as there are no screenshots or copy/paste of the pm its fine. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Suki(1) Sciberbia Trackd00r(5) Suki Miltonkram s0Lstice alan133 O.Golden_ne With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch. Deadline is in approx 12 hours at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
Mafia is a game whose landscape changes as the game progresses. Town gets more information the longer the game goes and thus more powerful, mafia gets weaker as they must always cover their tracks. Agreeing to a four-day set plan discounts all the information that you will get during each successive lynch/night kill. | ||
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alan133
Malaysia159 Posts
We already got two scums and by right townies should be very comfortable. I am not going to build a case on you now to keep the focus on trackd00r, he looked scummier to me, and if he turn red, I'd say it's a nice clean town victory. I casted my votes on trackd00r, and I am afraid I won't be around close to lynch time. Do not NL under any circumstances. It's Monday morning here (1:20 am) so I need to sleep now, cheers. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
a) were not attacked by a confirmed scum b) did not contribute much to the death of confimed scum Honestly, suki still looks more suspicious to me based on D1 and N1. Here are a couple points in trackd00r's favor challenges me & s0Lstice early on+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2012 12:04 trackd00r wrote: s0lstice: Is it my idea or you already gained trust from Sciberbia? I'm off to bed now. Can't do much atm. Will be back in 8 hours ~ Minor thing. Takes some guts as mafia to question influential townies. was actually more defensive of MJ than most people+ Show Spoiler + On June 14 2012 03:44 trackd00r wrote: First of all, sorry for my bad English. I'll try to check my grammar before posting. Mouldy Jeb's play is confusing as hell. Not only his posts have no real town content, but the way he writes them makes me feel I'm looking at a completely different game. Anyways, I can't tell if this is scum play or just plain bad town play. Since he stated that in his last game he got lynched D1, the latter option is what I'm taking at the moment. @Mouldy: What do you think of last miltonkram post? Do you keep your stance on him? suki stated in her case that he was at first aggressive toward MJ, but later backed off. It looks to me like he is slightly defensive of MJ, moreso than most people. I would not expect the mafia to do any defending of MJ on D1. directly addressed roflwaffles on alan + Show Spoiler + trackd00r made a kinda weird post where he addressed roflwaffles and stated that the case on alan isn't going anywhere. Another minor point in his favor: from what I've seen, newbie scum rarely address each other in the thread on D1. Obviously, he is still pretty suspicious for pushing the wrong people (golden & crossfire) and also not talking about HeavOnEarth until the last minute. Since the NK of austinmcc, trackd00r has started to look a lot worse relative to suki. I already talked about how the mod's blue text suggests to me that the mafia hadn't submitted their NK. And I think this would be more likely due to trackd00r than suki. Also, suki has been very active and I just don't see why she would be putting in all this effort if she is scum. Maybe just to make us do 1 more mislynch? On the other hand, trackd00r has been pretty quiet since the day post. In summary I don't feel overly confident about either of suki's or trackd00r's cases individually. But they are definitely top 2 candidates on my list and I think both have a decent chance of being the last scum. I'm honestly not sure which I think is more likely the last mafia, but it seems suki has at least guilted us into lynching trackd00r first so... ##unvote ##Vote trackd00r | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
@trackd00r IF YOU ARE A BLUE, CLAIM NOW! | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
Guilt does not factor in at all. What you say about suki's recent posts, where she has full knowledge that she is next should trackd00r flip town, is very telling. I see it as highly unlikely that scum suki would be behaving in this manner. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
I guess you're probably right about suki. Her behavior would be rather odd if she is mafia. I just feel weird basing analysis off reasoning such as why the last scum hasn't given up by now. I mean scum technically shouldn't ever concede or give up, just to keep us honest, so we can't pull analysis like this in future. Maybe I'm just being dumb, but I don't really get why the OOPS post is such a scumslip. Maybe trackd00r found suki third most suspicious, so he put her name on the list. But then he decided he didn't want to do analysis on her, so decided not to put her on the list, and for whatever reason didn't edit it out correctly before hitting submit. If he is scum, he surely could have concocted a better lie than OOPS. And as he pointed out, the two "ands" in that sentence suggest that he was trying to only put two people. Anyway, I just don't see any really great evidence that trackd00r is scum. He made some bad reads and not the best cases. But that can happen to townies too. I'm just not as convinced about him as I was about heist last game or roflwaffles this game. I think he only looks as scummy as he does by process of elimination, so I'm a little worried that we're wrong. But hopefully I'm just being a pessimist/skeptic and we'll all be celebrating a win in 5 hours. So cheers to that. just to reiterate @trackd00r CLAIM IF YOU ARE BLUE | ||
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Crossfire99
United States1529 Posts
On June 17 2012 16:40 Unforgiven_ve wrote: Sorry, didnt see this, to be honest, i have no idea of was happening right now, my only help to town right now will be my vote. I will try really hard to long in tomorrow and vote for your best candidate. I cant read 10 pages now :S, it sucks to be a replacement I understand. I'll give you some slack today. If this game last longer I'll expect you to contribute. I just realized that we've both been in the same game on both Mother's Day and Father's Day. What a coincidence. As for me, I'm not entirely sold that suki is confirmed town, but I'll give her the benefit of the doubt on her case and see how trackdoor flips because he does look scummy. ##Vote trackd00r | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Will trackd00r be modkilled or replaced if he does not vote? Same question for unforgiven. Is anybody else a) in the thread? b) thinking it'd be a good idea to switch our lynch to suki if the hosts guarantee a modkill on trackd00r? I doubt we'll have enough people here to pull that off anyway, but can't hurt to ask. @trackd00r If you are looking at this thread, please speak up now. And claim if you are blue. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
Suki Trackd00r(7) Suki Miltonkram s0Lstice alan133 O.Golden_ne Sciberbia Crossfire99 With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch. Deadline is in approx half an hour at 00:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
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s0Lstice
United States1833 Posts
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