Bastard Mafia 2

On June 16 2012 20:57 Drazerk wrote:
Policy 2 minute shot on both of you?

On June 16 2012 21:10 FourFace wrote:


The Answer is: ridiculous
We shoot and lynch in alphabetical order -> Acrofales first

On June 17 2012 04:43 Drazerk wrote:


You post slow

On June 17 2012 04:47 talismania wrote:
KharadBanar and Nisani206

Why did you ally with HiroPro?

On June 17 2012 05:31 KharadBanar wrote:

I assume that if I cast doubt on a member of The HOUSE, HiroPro will alert me of it.
If not, that alliance has more benefits for me than for them, because he basically "promised" that The HOUSE will try not to interfere in my affairs.

Promises can be broken, though, and I know that I have to be careful in my alliance with them.

On June 17 2012 05:41 Acrofales wrote:

So in actual fact, what you're doing is accepting HiroPro making anybody he likes "untouchable" for you, in return for limited immunity. Lol, are you a serial killer or wtf?!

Drazerk: I oppose lynching Nisani. I want to lynch KB.

On June 17 2012 22:47 Drazerk wrote:
You're aware the mason circle in aperture was a cult right?

On June 18 2012 00:50 Drazerk wrote:
Oh and that my role will be changed at some point during the game because mods love doing that to me >.>

On June 18 2012 01:04 Drazerk wrote:


Maybe... who knows

On June 17 2012 22:53 EchelonTee wrote:
Question about Drazerk's feared troll play. Does he usually play this serious or does he usually act more trolly?

On June 18 2012 02:09 Drazerk wrote:


Read WaW2 or Holy roman mafia 2 it shows just how much I can brake a game if given the correct tools

On June 18 2012 06:06 Drazerk wrote:
In fact I don't believe you

On June 18 2012 06:11 Drazerk wrote:


Well it would prove if he is a day vigi or not

On June 18 2012 06:34 Acrofales wrote:

I agree. However, I want to see how he uses his claimed power. If he doesn't use it, I vote we lynch the crap out of him.

On June 18 2012 06:44 FourFace wrote:
Well how would you have done that anyway.. You wouldn't have known who tried to join in the first place (probably no one, evidently) but how exactly would you have kept the illusion of House Chezinu alive without any sort of palpable change like a mason circle or host confirmation or anything? I'm not saying you weren't scumhunting.. I'm not even saying you're anti-town. I just think you lied to us at least twice, that's all.

On June 18 2012 06:46 Drazerk wrote:


Only third party can't win the game while dead

Are you implying you're third party and think everyone else is?

On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote:
Some other points to make:

If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have.

I also don't like the case on Maju

On June 18 2012 07:02 Drazerk wrote:


How do we know that the king isn't a dictator who wants to murder us all and that the assassins are the good guys?

On June 18 2012 15:06 Drazerk wrote:
S+B how is that a real case?

you're using evidence we know now to incriminate past beliefs which seems pretty questionable to me but i'll give you a break as my play style leads to myself being an easy band wagon the same way kenpachi is.

Also with Talismania forcing everyone to make a case except himself its bad cases like this that need to be looked at and questioned as I just got a huge third party vibe from S+B who just wants to survive.

On June 18 2012 23:55 Drazerk wrote:


You have a quote from me in your signature -Town fuck up. Scum do not. Scum WANT discussion.

They are not going to be wishy washy they have their game plan worked out from the first hour and that is how they are going to play.

I am going to die soon? - 5th party against me and a day vigi I have no intention of pleasing.

People who ignore me burn or it you should know this by now.

1 line posts are perfectly fine and probably more of a town behaviour as it means quick irrational posting rather than carefully laid out plans.

This is a bastard game I am going to throw out every possibility there is

And yes I still think you are third party for submitted to tali's demands

On June 19 2012 03:01 Drazerk wrote:
I can only be playing as town

If I am scum it helps me survive and become more pro town

If I am third party it helps me survive and become more pro town

On June 19 2012 04:07 Drazerk wrote:


No one claimed being hit so it would be weird to claim a shot

On June 19 2012 04:20 Drazerk wrote:
Does anyone think Tali's answer was preprepared and possibly written for him?

On June 19 2012 04:29 EchelonTee wrote:

Oo meta? He acted exactly like that in TL LV

TL LV: looks scummy, posts like 1 accusation in a 5 full day cycles
HolyRo: looks scummy, calls people scum
Bastard2: looks scummy.......

Hmm, evidence suggests that when Maju is scummy.... he's scum! holy balls!

Btw, you still haven't unvoted me. You really think you're going to mislynch me today?

On June 19 2012 04:59 Drazerk wrote:
Tali is your shot a 1 time thing?

Just interested

On June 19 2012 05:04 Drazerk wrote:
(Had it been multi shot I would of had you shoot me btw)

On June 19 2012 05:05 Drazerk wrote:


You clearly have never seen me play town... I need to be killed before lylo if town want to win (unless I get mod confirmed or some shit like that)

On June 19 2012 05:08 Drazerk wrote:


I don't want to be lynched I want to be shot there is a difference

On June 19 2012 05:10 Drazerk wrote:


Lynch creates discussion forces people to take sides etc etc

Shots are done for the luls

On June 19 2012 05:20 Drazerk wrote:


You tell us now because I don't believe you for a second

On June 19 2012 05:30 Drazerk wrote:
wait does that mean I typed fistbump?

On June 19 2012 05:39 Drazerk wrote:


You know I can think of a better way to find this information out...

On June 19 2012 05:44 talismania wrote:


Because I want to know? And I have a gun?

Do you know of any other factions? If your wincon is town-aligned, then maybe us in town can help you out.

Did your pm contain any info on the king and MA at all?

On June 19 2012 05:48 Drazerk wrote:


Which makes you wonder... what is this mystical role?

On June 19 2012 05:21 talismania wrote:


It's ok I guess I don't expect you to claim. But what's this extra win extra loss stuff? I don't see how you can extra lose. Can you give us a hint as to your various wincons?

On June 19 2012 06:02 Drazerk wrote:


And this is where my current theory is coming in

On June 19 2012 06:18 Drazerk wrote:


you just quoted on it...

On June 19 2012 06:27 Drazerk wrote:
You have to murder someone to not lose
201 has to murder someone to not lose and has to keep someone else alive to win
S+B = 201

On June 19 2012 06:27 Drazerk wrote:
You have to murder someone to not lose
201 has to murder someone to not lose and has to keep someone else alive to win
S+B = 201

On June 19 2012 06:59 talismania wrote:



I'm nervous - is that going to do something?

I am a dayvig. I am going to shoot within the next five hours. If I don't, I will be lynched.

On June 19 2012 07:17 deconduo wrote:
Also full roelclaim:

I am Phoenix Wright, the Objectivist
Once per game, I can quote a passage of someone and type ##OBJECTION, and the hosts will confirm or deny it openly in the thread, even if the original poster didn't know it.

On June 19 2012 07:19 Drazerk wrote:


More information more power and what not

On June 19 2012 07:32 Drazerk wrote:


You gotta admit I'd be insane to come forward and do that if I had read my role PM and it said scum

On June 19 2012 07:33 Drazerk wrote:


Which means we are all town?

On June 19 2012 07:32 Drazerk wrote:


You gotta admit I'd be insane to come forward and do that if I had read my role PM and it said scum

On June 19 2012 07:56 Drazerk wrote:
Who ever you shoot I am placing a 30 min clock on it T_T

On June 19 2012 07:53 deconduo wrote:
Oh for all the people whining, here was my logic:

I was pretty sure talis was neutral or 3rd party. None of his actions pointed towards him being town. If the statement showed up as true, we had 2 confirmed towns and we killed talis.

If instead I had posted that all 3 of us were town and it turned up false, we would be in the exact same situation. We would lynch talis, and assuming he flipped non-town, it would give no information on either mine or drazerk's alignment.

Operating on the assumption that talis was not town, given how he was avoiding posting what I had asked, the statement tested was the best one to go for.

And yes, while none of the 3 of us are 100% confirmed, we are 95% town.

On June 19 2012 08:24 Drazerk wrote:


Its 2 am in europe

On June 19 2012 08:30 Drazerk wrote:


Me and acro spam a lot

On June 19 2012 08:47 talismania wrote:
Strongandbig which would like me to shoot: KB or MajuGarzett?

On June 19 2012 17:09 Acrofales wrote:
Hurrah. So we can confirm Maju's meta: when he looks like scum in his first 5 posts, he is in fact scum! Nice shot, Tali.

I'm also back on the KB train, btw. However, it's a weird love triangle with DropBear that I don't get at all.

DropBear, on the other hand is not. His reason for taking his vote off KB is unconvincing. If he really doesn't think KB is scum, he would have said something that his defense is adequate, but if he was scum in the first place, then nobody going along with his mislynch is a good reason to put his vote to better use. See here:

KB had his vote on Maju at the start of D1. Let me repeat that: START of the day. He didn't actually vote for Maju... nor do we know he would have if you are right, KB is scum and Maju was his scumbuddy. Even if he did end up voting, his main case is not Maju and he hasn't really been pushing for his lynch (in fact, he was setting himself up to be able to switch off without looking suspicions). How does a post like + Show Spoiler [KB "pressuring" Maju] +
let KB off the hook. If anything, it makes him look scummier.

For more on how KB likes to "pressure" people in D1 when he's scum, I suggest you read Newbie VIII. His pressure there was about as convincing as this pressure on Maju was.

However, back to DropBear. After being "convinced" that KB is no longer scum, he switches to Nisani. While there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to lynch Nisani (see other comments, below), his case seems forced. It is also just another run-of-the-mill candidate who has, in fact, all but claimed some kind of 3rd party role in the thread, yet the case doesn't mention that at all.

As a final part of the puzzle, I suggest you search for Maju in DropBear's filter. The only time it pops up is after Tali shoots Maju. Scum don't like to mention each other... ever. They don't like to defend each other (because connections can be made) and they don't want to attack each other. Hence, a common scum play is to just not mention one's scumbuddies unless forced to. Note that this is more of a light scumslip addition than anything I would normally build a case around, but add it to generally scummy behaviour and I think we've found Maju's scumbuddy.

On June 19 2012 20:17 Drazerk wrote:
At least go all blazing hand on us

On June 19 2012 16:12 Nisani201 wrote:
Dropbear cares more about taking credit for this lynch than hunting scum, he could be third party.

On June 20 2012 03:06 talismania wrote:
Uh.

How does vengeful townie work again? I was under the impression that dropbear was supposed to die.

Or else a vote manipulation power was employed.

On June 20 2012 06:19 EchelonTee wrote:

I read the setup description.

1. there could be more framers. just because a framer died n0 doesn't mean they're gone.
2. there could be RBers. just because you weren't RB'd last night doesn't mean you won't be RB'd today. The setup clearly implies the existance of RBers.
3. you can't know there won't be manipulation. this is a fcking bastard game.

And I don't even know why you claimed; you could've easily claimed later and not had to deal with the possibility of manipulation. This is shit blue play lol. The players from my newbie game would stomp you.

On June 20 2012 18:19 Drazerk wrote:
Finally tali you said you was a one shot vigi why would they shoot you when it confirms me + dec?

On June 21 2012 01:33 talismania wrote:
Acrofales - you said you were going to be ready to claim in full D2. Is that still in the cards? Do it on the deadline I'm worried you're going to have a hit put on you.

On June 21 2012 04:08 Drazerk wrote:


Possibly because he is the only person playing pro town

But if he survives another day I kill him because he shouldn't be left alive at that stage.

On June 21 2012 05:52 Acrofales wrote:

I've explained that twice already.

On June 21 2012 03:26 Acrofales wrote:
However, you came back during the night and I actually liked your posts, so I relented and looked for a different target. I figured DropBear and Nisani are major lynch candidates today, so figured I'd look into the people I hadn't looked closely yet. I almost changed my target to Nisani when BioSC started posting, but his posting style and the case were just so weird (and cute), that they confused me more than convinced me he was town. I couldn't find a scum motive for posting so weird, but it isn't exactly townie either. I then thought of you and remembered that strange posting styles can be employed by scum to seem inoccuous So I went through with the shot. Wrongly.

On June 21 2012 14:25 xsksc wrote:
I'm Sherlock Holmes, the Detective
Every night I can investigate a player, and I'll get told if they're anti-town or non anti-town.
I was told I could be sane or insane.
I've determined that I am most definitely sane, as I checked KB n0 and he returned anti-town.
I checked BioSC n1 and he returned non anti-town. The reason I checked BioSC was that I knew someone was framed, and he had managed to stay fairly low profile. Bit of a waste in hindsight, but I had no idea he was about to be vig shot. At least it confirms my sanity.