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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 25 2012 17:31 GMT
#1841
Also my flavor interpretation points towards xksc and ghost having fake claimed. Minor point but still, it's something imo.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17993 Posts
June 25 2012 17:32 GMT
#1842
(miller roleblocker makes sense because of Tyrion Lannister)

Also, being able to roleblock scum KP is automatic justification for a town roleblocker.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17993 Posts
June 25 2012 17:32 GMT
#1843
On June 26 2012 02:31 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. A miller roleblocker actually makes a lot of sense atm and I feel pretty badly atm about both an xskskc and a Hyaach lynch. On the other hand, I feel we can't go wrong on a ghost lynch.

Prime thing that makes him scum: we KNOW hyaach is a roleblocker. We've been assuming scum held their KP, but what if ghost is simply a mafia goon and the roleblock STOPPED his KP. Even if that is what scum wants us to think, the WORST case scenario is that we lynch a 3rd party. Who cares? (except ghost himself)

Ghost said he'd play townie, but has not been playing townie
Roleblocking ghost had the effect of stopping mafia KP

Lets lynch him!

Stuck at the bottom of a page and I know nobody reads that shit (Mattchew told me)
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 25 2012 17:33 GMT
#1844
ok, voting for ghost then, if that's what you guys want.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 25 2012 17:38 GMT
#1845
Hmm I still doubt ghost is mafia goon because of maju's case on fourface being as strong as it was.

The reason a NK was withheld was either to make ghost look bad, or because it didn't matter. Like, if it's a 1 on 1 between xsksc and hyaach and whoever's scum between them knows that, then they know the only way they have to win is to convince the third party players to join their side, and I think mathwise that happens tomorrow regardless of if they used a NK or not. The other possibility is that the NK was replaced by a traitor being recruited or something. Eh fuck too many possibilities.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17993 Posts
June 25 2012 17:39 GMT
#1846
It's what I want.
It's not what deconduo wants.
Tali hasn't made it completely clear yet what he wants.
Drazerk is a mystery to all.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 25 2012 17:40 GMT
#1847
Votecount is 5 for xsksc, 3 for ghost_403 and 1 for S&B
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 25 2012 17:40 GMT
#1848
Then make up your minds -_- It doesn't really matter to me.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 25 2012 17:41 GMT
#1849
still debating whether or not to give in to peer pressure.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17993 Posts
June 25 2012 17:42 GMT
#1850
On June 26 2012 02:38 talismania wrote:
Hmm I still doubt ghost is mafia goon because of maju's case on fourface being as strong as it was.

The reason a NK was withheld was either to make ghost look bad, or because it didn't matter. Like, if it's a 1 on 1 between xsksc and hyaach and whoever's scum between them knows that, then they know the only way they have to win is to convince the third party players to join their side, and I think mathwise that happens tomorrow regardless of if they used a NK or not. The other possibility is that the NK was replaced by a traitor being recruited or something. Eh fuck too many possibilities.

That scenario was not properly thought through. The math does not work out.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 25 2012 17:44 GMT
#1851
On June 26 2012 02:29 talismania wrote:
damn you for looking so innocent xsksc!

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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 25 2012 17:44 GMT
#1852
On June 26 2012 02:10 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
On June 26 2012 01:48 talismania wrote:
actually fuck it.

if we're going to lynch third party, why not ghost? fourface claimed insane dt - why? probably because his ass wanted to mislead town. He's a survivor alright, but wins with scum. Just a thought. Also ghost has been acting weird since he's arrived.

Lynching ghost actually has a good chance of catching scum imho. As today has developed, he has been acting weirder and weirder. 4F never really convinced me he was town in any way. Ghost has played more coherently. It was actually you who convinced me 4F/ghost was improbable scum. Also, if we lynch ghost and he flips scum then we've proven Hyaach as a pretty townie roleblocker, leaving the road even clearer for an xsksc lynch tomorrow.

I am not opposed to killing ghost. My main reason for picking Hiro/SnB is because there is something fishy about their role and until we lynch one of them or the game ends we won't know what it is. I am inquisitive and not above lynching for information

Let me go reread ghost's filter, but a switch to ghost does not seem like a bad plan. At worst it'll prove that roleblocking ghost was NOT what stopped the mafia kill from happening.



Cool, I guess you guys can have this.


ghost_403 has claimed BP survivor and said that since he's BP, it's in his best interest to play pro-town. Thing is, ghost hasn't actually done anything like that this game. He makes a call for Nisani to be shot without ever talking about why he thinks Nisani is scum. He makes "reads" on DropBear and xsksc that just rephrase what other people have already said about them. Additionally, look at how uncomfortable ghost was with providing a concrete opinion on DropBear's alignment. ghost refers multiple times to DropBear as "bad townie or scum", but never actually decides which one it is.

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On June 21 2012 01:11 ghost_403 wrote:
Nisani
StrongAndBig
MajuGazett
KharadBanar
EschelonTee

Two of my best scum reads are already dead, GJ town.

I really don't like having to put ET on this list, given how much him and my predecessor fought it out, but I really don't like how he jumped around on his voting. Later, I'll look through some of his previous games to see how he votes as town. Also, never trust the guy who reports the votecounts.

Given a bullet, I would shoot Nisani in a heartbeat.


On June 21 2012 01:25 ghost_403 wrote:
BioSC looked townish to me, but that came mostly from the reading of the House Chezinu situation early on in the game. Past that, I didn't really notice anything significant about him.

DropBear didn't make it on my spreadsheet until I looked at the players list. Points to terrible townie or lurking scum.


On June 22 2012 06:57 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm not a big fan of DropBear. He opens the game by pushing KB, then drops it after Maju flips because his single vote somehow exonerates him of all scumminess. It's a bad move on his part, but he was rather townish in how he stuck to his guns on that issue. Past that, the only thing he's really contributed is his case on Nisani. Take a look at his filter, he's not bringing anything to the town at all. Also, I don't like how he refuses to claim his role's name. Everyone else has, why not him? Very strange. He's either scum or very bad townie.

Now to look at xkcd. My ride home is almost here, so that might not get put up for a bit.




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On June 23 2012 03:41 ghost_403 wrote:
Scum wouldn't shoot me tonight. Killing me doesn't get them any closer to winning the game. I don't count as town for their wincon, as detailed previously. I'm fine with being roleblocked, my problem is that I don't think it will help us find
scum. Your plan needs a town DT to actually work, and I haven't seen anything that shows you've thought that out. It's very strange considering the fact that you thought he was lying about his roleclaim to begin with.


ghost has claimed that he is bulletproof. So why is it that he's speculating about why scum wouldn't kill him? That scenario should never even cross his mind; it's not just that he's talking about being shot (that would be understable), but he specifically refers to himself dying from a scum shot (something which should not be possible if his claim is true).

The differences between what ghost has claimed to be and his actual words and actions in the thread are stark. ghost claimed that he is bulletproof, yet the way he talks suggests exactly the opposite. ghost says that he's a survivor who's interested in helping town as it helps him out too; yet he's done absolutely no scumhunting.



On June 26 2012 02:12 HiroPro wrote:
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On June 26 2012 02:10 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, quick wrapup of ghost's play. He is clearly completely unconcerned about who is getting lynched (while he is out-of-shot). Which makes him not-town. But we knew that already. Complete toss-up between scum and 3rd party as far as I can read him, though.


Think about what ghost has claimed. He says that he's a BP survivor who's going to help town because he's at no risk of dying; has he actually done that? No.



On June 26 2012 02:33 HiroPro wrote:
ok, voting for ghost then, if that's what you guys want.


One of the greatest skills for scum to have is to get the ball rolling, then distance themselves from the mess that it causes.

Hiro, if you're going to push my lynch, I fully expect you to own it.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17993 Posts
June 25 2012 17:46 GMT
#1853
If ghost is 3rd party and scum withheld a kill to make him look bad, they are really stupid. What does scum win? 1 extra day in which we eliminate 1 3rd party. There's still the same number of townies as yesterday and we have eliminated one of the possibilities where scum might be hiding.

I have gone through all possibilities and it really made no sense for scum to withhold KP yesterday. My night plan was made in order to wifom scum into thinking it did and they *might* have fallen for it (I was hoping they did). However, if we assume scum can actually think things through for themselves, then they should know withholding KP was a bad move.
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 25 2012 17:46 GMT
#1854
I'm going to go eat, if you guys decide to stay on me, gl tomorow and sorry again for my poor play.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 25 2012 17:47 GMT
#1855
lol, I'm not town. I don't care who gets lynched as long as s&b and I are safe.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 25 2012 17:47 GMT
#1856
On June 26 2012 02:46 Acrofales wrote:
If ghost is 3rd party and scum withheld a kill to make him look bad, they are really stupid. What does scum win? 1 extra day in which we eliminate 1 3rd party. There's still the same number of townies as yesterday and we have eliminated one of the possibilities where scum might be hiding.

I have gone through all possibilities and it really made no sense for scum to withhold KP yesterday. My night plan was made in order to wifom scum into thinking it did and they *might* have fallen for it (I was hoping they did). However, if we assume scum can actually think things through for themselves, then they should know withholding KP was a bad move.


Funny if they just forgot to send it in.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17993 Posts
June 25 2012 17:48 GMT
#1857
On June 26 2012 02:44 ghost_403 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 02:10 HiroPro wrote:
On June 26 2012 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
On June 26 2012 01:48 talismania wrote:
actually fuck it.

if we're going to lynch third party, why not ghost? fourface claimed insane dt - why? probably because his ass wanted to mislead town. He's a survivor alright, but wins with scum. Just a thought. Also ghost has been acting weird since he's arrived.

Lynching ghost actually has a good chance of catching scum imho. As today has developed, he has been acting weirder and weirder. 4F never really convinced me he was town in any way. Ghost has played more coherently. It was actually you who convinced me 4F/ghost was improbable scum. Also, if we lynch ghost and he flips scum then we've proven Hyaach as a pretty townie roleblocker, leaving the road even clearer for an xsksc lynch tomorrow.

I am not opposed to killing ghost. My main reason for picking Hiro/SnB is because there is something fishy about their role and until we lynch one of them or the game ends we won't know what it is. I am inquisitive and not above lynching for information

Let me go reread ghost's filter, but a switch to ghost does not seem like a bad plan. At worst it'll prove that roleblocking ghost was NOT what stopped the mafia kill from happening.



Cool, I guess you guys can have this.


ghost_403 has claimed BP survivor and said that since he's BP, it's in his best interest to play pro-town. Thing is, ghost hasn't actually done anything like that this game. He makes a call for Nisani to be shot without ever talking about why he thinks Nisani is scum. He makes "reads" on DropBear and xsksc that just rephrase what other people have already said about them. Additionally, look at how uncomfortable ghost was with providing a concrete opinion on DropBear's alignment. ghost refers multiple times to DropBear as "bad townie or scum", but never actually decides which one it is.

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On June 21 2012 01:11 ghost_403 wrote:
Nisani
StrongAndBig
MajuGazett
KharadBanar
EschelonTee

Two of my best scum reads are already dead, GJ town.

I really don't like having to put ET on this list, given how much him and my predecessor fought it out, but I really don't like how he jumped around on his voting. Later, I'll look through some of his previous games to see how he votes as town. Also, never trust the guy who reports the votecounts.

Given a bullet, I would shoot Nisani in a heartbeat.


On June 21 2012 01:25 ghost_403 wrote:
BioSC looked townish to me, but that came mostly from the reading of the House Chezinu situation early on in the game. Past that, I didn't really notice anything significant about him.

DropBear didn't make it on my spreadsheet until I looked at the players list. Points to terrible townie or lurking scum.


On June 22 2012 06:57 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm not a big fan of DropBear. He opens the game by pushing KB, then drops it after Maju flips because his single vote somehow exonerates him of all scumminess. It's a bad move on his part, but he was rather townish in how he stuck to his guns on that issue. Past that, the only thing he's really contributed is his case on Nisani. Take a look at his filter, he's not bringing anything to the town at all. Also, I don't like how he refuses to claim his role's name. Everyone else has, why not him? Very strange. He's either scum or very bad townie.

Now to look at xkcd. My ride home is almost here, so that might not get put up for a bit.




On June 23 2012 03:41 ghost_403 wrote:
Scum wouldn't shoot me tonight. Killing me doesn't get them any closer to winning the game. I don't count as town for their wincon, as detailed previously. I'm fine with being roleblocked, my problem is that I don't think it will help us find
scum. Your plan needs a town DT to actually work, and I haven't seen anything that shows you've thought that out. It's very strange considering the fact that you thought he was lying about his roleclaim to begin with.


ghost has claimed that he is bulletproof. So why is it that he's speculating about why scum wouldn't kill him? That scenario should never even cross his mind; it's not just that he's talking about being shot (that would be understable), but he specifically refers to himself dying from a scum shot (something which should not be possible if his claim is true).

The differences between what ghost has claimed to be and his actual words and actions in the thread are stark. ghost claimed that he is bulletproof, yet the way he talks suggests exactly the opposite. ghost says that he's a survivor who's interested in helping town as it helps him out too; yet he's done absolutely no scumhunting.



Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 02:12 HiroPro wrote:
On June 26 2012 02:10 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, quick wrapup of ghost's play. He is clearly completely unconcerned about who is getting lynched (while he is out-of-shot). Which makes him not-town. But we knew that already. Complete toss-up between scum and 3rd party as far as I can read him, though.


Think about what ghost has claimed. He says that he's a BP survivor who's going to help town because he's at no risk of dying; has he actually done that? No.



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On June 26 2012 02:33 HiroPro wrote:
ok, voting for ghost then, if that's what you guys want.


One of the greatest skills for scum to have is to get the ball rolling, then distance themselves from the mess that it causes.

Hiro, if you're going to push my lynch, I fully expect you to own it.


That only really works if the lynch is on a townie. Pushing a 3rd party (maybe scum) lynch as a claimed other 3rd party is hardly a scumtell.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 25 2012 17:49 GMT
#1858
is drazerk still around? If I change my vote it won't matter unless he's around to change his.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 25 2012 17:49 GMT
#1859
Im here
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 25 2012 17:50 GMT
#1860
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