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On June 26 2012 00:45 Acrofales wrote:
I think SnB was mainly aiming at my analysis, where I assumed that if xsksc and Hyaach are both town, then there is a framer. I agree that in the initial post I forgot about the existence of millers. In the follow-up, however, you had already mentioned that possibility and I fail to see why the difference between being framed and being a miller is so important to you. The key point of the scenario is that there is a scum on the loose.
From a purely coherence of role name point of view, Tyrion the MILLER roleblocker makes a hell-of-a-lot of sense. In fact, I believe I mentioned it in the ScumQT of GoT mafia that Tyrion could just roleclaim his own name and say he's a miller :D
He said "your" check, so i assumed he was directing it at me.
I just mentioned that there's a possibility, dunno why it's being blown out of proportion...
The difference would be giving me a check in the thread with a framer alive basically wastes the check, whereas a miller is not gonna change. That's all.
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On June 25 2012 23:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Also, Hiro protown? He's afk'd himself since he claimed neutral survivor linked whatever he is.
Do you just pretend to not read anything or is this how you actually play the game? Did you read anything that happened before you replaced in?
On June 25 2012 23:27 xsksc wrote:
It's a bastard game with 2 DTs lol, why couldn't there be 1 permanent and 1 temporary framing ability?
"Some player may check out wrong on alignment checks, but if so, they will be read the same during the whole game."
Hmmmmmmmm
On June 26 2012 00:32 Drazerk wrote:
Strong stop thinking of yourself as a survivor but more as a second town team.
Sometimes its better to die for the good of the town. This is what you would be doing.
Being alive is sadly not part of your win condition nor is it optimal play.
Lol, we're not a second town team. If town loses, w/e, it's their own fault for not playing well.
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On June 26 2012 01:03 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 23:27 xsksc wrote:
It's a bastard game with 2 DTs lol, why couldn't there be 1 permanent and 1 temporary framing ability?
"Some player may check out wrong on alignment checks, but if so, they will be read the same during the whole game." Hmmmmmm
Read what else I wrote, I've already said I believe this is talking about either a miller or the permanent ability.
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On June 26 2012 01:03 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 23:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Also, Hiro protown? He's afk'd himself since he claimed neutral survivor linked whatever he is. Do you just pretend to not read anything or is this how you actually play the game? Did you read anything that happened before you replaced in? Show nested quote +On June 25 2012 23:27 xsksc wrote:
It's a bastard game with 2 DTs lol, why couldn't there be 1 permanent and 1 temporary framing ability?
"Some player may check out wrong on alignment checks, but if so, they will be read the same during the whole game." Hmmmmmmmm Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 00:32 Drazerk wrote:
Strong stop thinking of yourself as a survivor but more as a second town team.
Sometimes its better to die for the good of the town. This is what you would be doing.
Being alive is sadly not part of your win condition nor is it optimal play. Lol, we're not a second town team. If town loses, w/e, it's their own fault for not playing well.
The analogy still holds
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@hiro: A) Why would bother reading the thread?
B) Choice excerpts from the 10th page of your filter:
On June 24 2012 02:50 HiroPro wrote:
Damn it s&b, now I need to start thinking again. Fuck I shouldn't have stopped updating my spreadsheet.
On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:
IMaLive
Mister mister role role roleblocker dun a good job.
On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:Back to being useless then for me 
On June 24 2012 07:57 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 07:21 ghost_403 wrote:On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:Back to being useless then for me Why? You spent a huge part of the beginning of the game actively hunting scum. House Chezinu took up, what, two or three pages of your filter, and began your case on xcrzd. Now, after you claim Neutral Linked Survivor, you're all like On June 22 2012 01:41 HiroPro wrote:
Because I'm not bulletproof lol. If someone decides that I'm being too helpful to town, they can kill me. You weren't afraid to play protown then, so why the change of heart? To stay alive, I needed to show that I wasn't anti-town. Now that I've established that, there's no reason for me to help town.
On June 24 2012 08:06 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 08:04 Drazerk wrote:On June 24 2012 07:57 HiroPro wrote:On June 24 2012 07:21 ghost_403 wrote:On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:Back to being useless then for me Why? You spent a huge part of the beginning of the game actively hunting scum. House Chezinu took up, what, two or three pages of your filter, and began your case on xcrzd. Now, after you claim Neutral Linked Survivor, you're all like On June 22 2012 01:41 HiroPro wrote:
Because I'm not bulletproof lol. If someone decides that I'm being too helpful to town, they can kill me. You weren't afraid to play protown then, so why the change of heart? To stay alive, I needed to show that I wasn't anti-town. Now that I've established that, there's no reason for me to help town. We all ok policy lynching Hiro and S+B even if it loses us the game? Town wouldn't even be in this good a situation if I hadn't helped lol. And if you had actually listened to me about DropBear, you'd be doing even better.
And by choice, I mean the first five. The rest of the posts on that page are similarly useless. You've been riding the town goodwill since you debunked House Chezinu and 'caught' xiron.
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I see hyaach lurked his entire active period.
Drazerk has had it out for the third parties since the beginning. Ghost is acting weird too. meanwhile xsksc has been acting townie as fuck but how knows what that means. If he's scum he really shouldn't be going along with acro's plan but I guess he would have no choice in the matter.
I'm not sure about lynching into strongandbig/hiro. They are useful allies for town at the moment. If they're scum, I'm not sure I'll care about losing to them, because that would just be dumb. I also doubt there are five anti-town forces in a 15 player game. Four seems more likely, and I think it's one of xsksc/hyaach and one of drazerk/ghost.
Only reason I can think to lynch into neutrals is so we can get another check out of xsksc (that we won't know if we can trust) since scum can't really kill him if he's town.
To be honest I'd still rather lynch hyaach. What do we need a roleblocker for anyway?
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On June 26 2012 01:08 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 01:03 HiroPro wrote:On June 25 2012 23:27 xsksc wrote:
It's a bastard game with 2 DTs lol, why couldn't there be 1 permanent and 1 temporary framing ability?
"Some player may check out wrong on alignment checks, but if so, they will be read the same during the whole game." Hmmmmmm Read what else I wrote, I've already said I believe this is talking about either a miller or the permanent ability.
If that's what you believe/want to believe, ok.
On June 26 2012 01:09 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 01:03 HiroPro wrote:On June 25 2012 23:13 ghost_403 wrote:
Also, Hiro protown? He's afk'd himself since he claimed neutral survivor linked whatever he is. Do you just pretend to not read anything or is this how you actually play the game? Did you read anything that happened before you replaced in? On June 25 2012 23:27 xsksc wrote:
It's a bastard game with 2 DTs lol, why couldn't there be 1 permanent and 1 temporary framing ability?
"Some player may check out wrong on alignment checks, but if so, they will be read the same during the whole game." Hmmmmmmmm On June 26 2012 00:32 Drazerk wrote:
Strong stop thinking of yourself as a survivor but more as a second town team.
Sometimes its better to die for the good of the town. This is what you would be doing.
Being alive is sadly not part of your win condition nor is it optimal play. Lol, we're not a second town team. If town loses, w/e, it's their own fault for not playing well. The analogy still holds
Major Difference: Doesn't matter if scum dies or not, as long as the game ends.
On June 26 2012 01:09 ghost_403 wrote:@hiro: A) Why would bother reading the thread? B) Choice excerpts from the 10th page of your filter: Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 02:50 HiroPro wrote:
Damn it s&b, now I need to start thinking again. Fuck I shouldn't have stopped updating my spreadsheet. Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:
IMaLive
Mister mister role role roleblocker dun a good job. Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 07:57 HiroPro wrote:On June 24 2012 07:21 ghost_403 wrote:On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:Back to being useless then for me Why? You spent a huge part of the beginning of the game actively hunting scum. House Chezinu took up, what, two or three pages of your filter, and began your case on xcrzd. Now, after you claim Neutral Linked Survivor, you're all like On June 22 2012 01:41 HiroPro wrote:
Because I'm not bulletproof lol. If someone decides that I'm being too helpful to town, they can kill me. You weren't afraid to play protown then, so why the change of heart? To stay alive, I needed to show that I wasn't anti-town. Now that I've established that, there's no reason for me to help town. Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 08:06 HiroPro wrote:On June 24 2012 08:04 Drazerk wrote:On June 24 2012 07:57 HiroPro wrote:On June 24 2012 07:21 ghost_403 wrote:On June 24 2012 03:13 HiroPro wrote:Back to being useless then for me Why? You spent a huge part of the beginning of the game actively hunting scum. House Chezinu took up, what, two or three pages of your filter, and began your case on xcrzd. Now, after you claim Neutral Linked Survivor, you're all like On June 22 2012 01:41 HiroPro wrote:
Because I'm not bulletproof lol. If someone decides that I'm being too helpful to town, they can kill me. You weren't afraid to play protown then, so why the change of heart? To stay alive, I needed to show that I wasn't anti-town. Now that I've established that, there's no reason for me to help town. We all ok policy lynching Hiro and S+B even if it loses us the game? Town wouldn't even be in this good a situation if I hadn't helped lol. And if you had actually listened to me about DropBear, you'd be doing even better. And by choice, I mean the first five. The rest of the posts on that page are similarly useless. You've been riding the town goodwill since you debunked House Chezinu and 'caught' xiron.
Don't insult me by saying that I haven't helped town, ok. Who do you think made the plan that exposed the Serial Killer? Hm, it was me. Who do you think made the case against MajuGarzett? Hm, I think that might have been me. Who killed the Serial Killer when everyone in town decided it would be a good idea to lynch one of their own? Huh, funny thing, I think that might have been me too. #of anti-town killed by town=1....#of anti-town killed by me=1......hmmmm
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to be fair you didn't know you were going to kill KB.
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True, but I still pushed for lynching him instead of DropBear.
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On June 26 2012 01:15 talismania wrote:
Drazerk has had it out for the third parties since the beginning. Ghost is acting weird too.
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DB was still a good lynch though even as town
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In what way? The awful case that Acro came up with? I broke that thing down so many times, lol. But no one actually bothered thinking about it for themselves.
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His role was put to a much better use than it would have been normally and I doubt we would have gotten much productivity done with him around much like we are currently with S+B
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dropbear's lynch was stupid because nisani never claimed he was town. He even wrote his name in black bold instead of blue bold. And he failed to read his pm that indicated there was only one AMA. Meh. I would be much happier now if nisani was still alive and had made me king so I could shoot hyaach and we could get somewhere.
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And vigilante lynching is exactly why I think it should of been Red bolded rather than Black bolded as it basically makes voting / analysis pointless
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actually fuck it.
if we're going to lynch third party, why not ghost? fourface claimed insane dt - why? probably because his ass wanted to mislead town. He's a survivor alright, but wins with scum. Just a thought. Also ghost has been acting weird since he's arrived.
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@Tali: what makes you think Hyaach is scummier than xsksc? Is it the mechanics? Or is it his behaviour? Basically up until I wrote the two cases, I found Hyaach to have a moderately acceptable filter, whereas xsksc's was terrible. Since then Hyaach has lurked and xsksc has acted townie (I agree with you there). Acting townie when your life's on the line is pretty easy though, for scum. Even Majuju managed to do it in Holy Roman and he was scummy as all hell until the pressure really came on. Then he made some decent contributions before he flipped scum. Enough to convince me and some others that he was less scummy than Sinani (turned out he was exactly equally scummy as Sinani  )
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On June 26 2012 01:48 talismania wrote:
actually fuck it.
if we're going to lynch third party, why not ghost? fourface claimed insane dt - why? probably because his ass wanted to mislead town. He's a survivor alright, but wins with scum. Just a thought. Also ghost has been acting weird since he's arrived.
Lynching ghost actually has a good chance of catching scum imho. As today has developed, he has been acting weirder and weirder. 4F never really convinced me he was town in any way. Ghost has played more coherently. It was actually you who convinced me 4F/ghost was improbable scum. Also, if we lynch ghost and he flips scum then we've proven Hyaach as a pretty townie roleblocker, leaving the road even clearer for an xsksc lynch tomorrow.
I am not opposed to killing ghost. My main reason for picking Hiro/SnB is because there is something fishy about their role and until we lynch one of them or the game ends we won't know what it is. I am inquisitive and not above lynching for information
Let me go reread ghost's filter, but a switch to ghost does not seem like a bad plan. At worst it'll prove that roleblocking ghost was NOT what stopped the mafia kill from happening.
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Well I'm going to hang soon, so make your plan quickly 
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Okay, quick wrapup of ghost's play. He is clearly completely unconcerned about who is getting lynched (while he is out-of-shot). Which makes him not-town. But we knew that already. Complete toss-up between scum and 3rd party as far as I can read him, though.
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