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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 25 2012 17:10 GMT
#1821
On June 26 2012 02:01 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 01:48 talismania wrote:
actually fuck it.

if we're going to lynch third party, why not ghost? fourface claimed insane dt - why? probably because his ass wanted to mislead town. He's a survivor alright, but wins with scum. Just a thought. Also ghost has been acting weird since he's arrived.

Lynching ghost actually has a good chance of catching scum imho. As today has developed, he has been acting weirder and weirder. 4F never really convinced me he was town in any way. Ghost has played more coherently. It was actually you who convinced me 4F/ghost was improbable scum. Also, if we lynch ghost and he flips scum then we've proven Hyaach as a pretty townie roleblocker, leaving the road even clearer for an xsksc lynch tomorrow.

I am not opposed to killing ghost. My main reason for picking Hiro/SnB is because there is something fishy about their role and until we lynch one of them or the game ends we won't know what it is. I am inquisitive and not above lynching for information

Let me go reread ghost's filter, but a switch to ghost does not seem like a bad plan. At worst it'll prove that roleblocking ghost was NOT what stopped the mafia kill from happening.



Cool, I guess you guys can have this.


ghost_403 has claimed BP survivor and said that since he's BP, it's in his best interest to play pro-town. Thing is, ghost hasn't actually done anything like that this game. He makes a call for Nisani to be shot without ever talking about why he thinks Nisani is scum. He makes "reads" on DropBear and xsksc that just rephrase what other people have already said about them. Additionally, look at how uncomfortable ghost was with providing a concrete opinion on DropBear's alignment. ghost refers multiple times to DropBear as "bad townie or scum", but never actually decides which one it is.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 21 2012 01:11 ghost_403 wrote:
Nisani
StrongAndBig
MajuGazett
KharadBanar
EschelonTee

Two of my best scum reads are already dead, GJ town.

I really don't like having to put ET on this list, given how much him and my predecessor fought it out, but I really don't like how he jumped around on his voting. Later, I'll look through some of his previous games to see how he votes as town. Also, never trust the guy who reports the votecounts.

Given a bullet, I would shoot Nisani in a heartbeat.


On June 21 2012 01:25 ghost_403 wrote:
BioSC looked townish to me, but that came mostly from the reading of the House Chezinu situation early on in the game. Past that, I didn't really notice anything significant about him.

DropBear didn't make it on my spreadsheet until I looked at the players list. Points to terrible townie or lurking scum.


On June 22 2012 06:57 ghost_403 wrote:
I'm not a big fan of DropBear. He opens the game by pushing KB, then drops it after Maju flips because his single vote somehow exonerates him of all scumminess. It's a bad move on his part, but he was rather townish in how he stuck to his guns on that issue. Past that, the only thing he's really contributed is his case on Nisani. Take a look at his filter, he's not bringing anything to the town at all. Also, I don't like how he refuses to claim his role's name. Everyone else has, why not him? Very strange. He's either scum or very bad townie.

Now to look at xkcd. My ride home is almost here, so that might not get put up for a bit.




On June 23 2012 03:41 ghost_403 wrote:
Scum wouldn't shoot me tonight. Killing me doesn't get them any closer to winning the game. I don't count as town for their wincon, as detailed previously. I'm fine with being roleblocked, my problem is that I don't think it will help us find
scum. Your plan needs a town DT to actually work, and I haven't seen anything that shows you've thought that out. It's very strange considering the fact that you thought he was lying about his roleclaim to begin with.


ghost has claimed that he is bulletproof. So why is it that he's speculating about why scum wouldn't kill him? That scenario should never even cross his mind; it's not just that he's talking about being shot (that would be understable), but he specifically refers to himself dying from a scum shot (something which should not be possible if his claim is true).

The differences between what ghost has claimed to be and his actual words and actions in the thread are stark. ghost claimed that he is bulletproof, yet the way he talks suggests exactly the opposite. ghost says that he's a survivor who's interested in helping town as it helps him out too; yet he's done absolutely no scumhunting.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
June 25 2012 17:11 GMT
#1822
I'm not changing my plan to kill xsksc, and then hyaach if he flips town. Going after third party when we have a guaranteed mafia is just a bad idea.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 25 2012 17:12 GMT
#1823
On June 26 2012 02:10 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, quick wrapup of ghost's play. He is clearly completely unconcerned about who is getting lynched (while he is out-of-shot). Which makes him not-town. But we knew that already. Complete toss-up between scum and 3rd party as far as I can read him, though.


Think about what ghost has claimed. He says that he's a BP survivor who's going to help town because he's at no risk of dying; has he actually done that? No.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18055 Posts
June 25 2012 17:13 GMT
#1824
Hiro, you're taking the last bit out of context. It was in response to the plan having him roleblocked, which could very well remove his bulletproof protection.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 25 2012 17:15 GMT
#1825
Eh, I don't think roleblockers can typically remove BP. But w/e, as long as it's not s&b or me, you can do whatever you want.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 25 2012 17:16 GMT
#1826
roleblock does remove bulletproof, at least it did in pick your power.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18055 Posts
June 25 2012 17:16 GMT
#1827
On June 26 2012 02:11 deconduo wrote:
I'm not changing my plan to kill xsksc, and then hyaach if he flips town. Going after third party when we have a guaranteed mafia is just a bad idea.

Why do you think ghost is 3rd party and not mafia?
What makes you think xsksksksks is scummier than Hyaach? Why can't Hyaach be a miller?

We don't have confirmed scum. We have someone who looked scummy up until very recently and then started to look townie as fuck. We have another guy who looked null leaning town until very recently and then started looking scummier. We have another guy who has claimed 3rd party and played like 3rd party/scum.

Also, Hiro brings up a good point. He did promise to play townie and if there's anything I get loud and clear from his filter, it's that he hasn't done that.

Lets get this show on the road.

##unvote
##vote ghost_90210
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 25 2012 17:18 GMT
#1828
On June 26 2012 02:16 talismania wrote:
roleblock does remove bulletproof, at least it did in pick your power.


That's not bulletproof, that was just a veteran right?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18055 Posts
June 25 2012 17:19 GMT
#1829
Btw, the whole rigmarole for why lynching someone who is at WORST a 3rd party now holds just as true for ghost as it does for an SnB lynch. The only disadvantage is that we don't get the two-for-one information deal. However, it has a lot higher chance of actually hitting majuju's scumbuddy.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 25 2012 17:19 GMT
#1830
And if you look at WBG's minis, the SK's extra night life can't be roleblocked.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18055 Posts
June 25 2012 17:20 GMT
#1831
On June 26 2012 02:18 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 02:16 talismania wrote:
roleblock does remove bulletproof, at least it did in pick your power.


That's not bulletproof, that was just a veteran right?

It's academic. There are games in which bulletproof can be roleblocked and nobody knows if this game is one of them, because the mods aren't answering questions like that.
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
June 25 2012 17:22 GMT
#1832
I just want to reiterate that roleblocking may or may not possibly have some minute possible interaction with passive abilities such as roleblocking, being bored or playing card games.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 25 2012 17:22 GMT
#1833
Sigh I really wanted the 2 for 1 deal
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 25 2012 17:22 GMT
#1834
On June 26 2012 01:49 Acrofales wrote:
@Tali: what makes you think Hyaach is scummier than xsksc? Is it the mechanics? Or is it his behaviour? Basically up until I wrote the two cases, I found Hyaach to have a moderately acceptable filter, whereas xsksc's was terrible. Since then Hyaach has lurked and xsksc has acted townie (I agree with you there). Acting townie when your life's on the line is pretty easy though, for scum. Even Majuju managed to do it in Holy Roman and he was scummy as all hell until the pressure really came on. Then he made some decent contributions before he flipped scum. Enough to convince me and some others that he was less scummy than Sinani (turned out he was exactly equally scummy as Sinani )


I'm with you for the most part. I found xsksc very scummy initially. I even voted for him day one perhaps because of a misguided connection to maju. hyaach has the plus of having said the shit that deconduo pointed out, but his role and everything else doesn't make much sense. xsksc has been townie since then but who knows.

at this point I'm kinda with deconduo. I wouldn't mind ghost dead but at some point we have to stop worrying about millers and this that and the other and just figure out who the last scum is. Like, if we lose because hyaach is a miller roleblocker... ok? I mean I've never even heard of that so I won't feel bad about myself. If we lose because snb and hiro are kp-less scum (making 5 scum in a 15 player game) then fuck it, I won't feel too bad about that either. But if we lose because we didn't lynch xsksc and hyaach when it was sitting on our plates the whole time.... I dunno.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 25 2012 17:24 GMT
#1835
On June 26 2012 02:18 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 02:16 talismania wrote:
roleblock does remove bulletproof, at least it did in pick your power.


That's not bulletproof, that was just a veteran right?


no it was bulletproof too. in bangbang as well roleblock removed bulletproof. anyway acrofales is right, it's academic since it's a bastard game.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 25 2012 17:25 GMT
#1836
I agree with Tali and Decon. There's something like a 98% chance that either xk or hyaach are scum, we can't just ignore that.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 25 2012 17:25 GMT
#1837
On June 26 2012 02:22 Zephirdd wrote:
I just want to reiterate that roleblocking may or may not possibly have some minute possible interaction with passive abilities such as roleblocking, being bored or playing card games.

hahahaha
xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 25 2012 17:28 GMT
#1838
On June 26 2012 02:22 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 01:49 Acrofales wrote:
@Tali: what makes you think Hyaach is scummier than xsksc? Is it the mechanics? Or is it his behaviour? Basically up until I wrote the two cases, I found Hyaach to have a moderately acceptable filter, whereas xsksc's was terrible. Since then Hyaach has lurked and xsksc has acted townie (I agree with you there). Acting townie when your life's on the line is pretty easy though, for scum. Even Majuju managed to do it in Holy Roman and he was scummy as all hell until the pressure really came on. Then he made some decent contributions before he flipped scum. Enough to convince me and some others that he was less scummy than Sinani (turned out he was exactly equally scummy as Sinani )


I'm with you for the most part. I found xsksc very scummy initially. I even voted for him day one perhaps because of a misguided connection to maju. hyaach has the plus of having said the shit that deconduo pointed out, but his role and everything else doesn't make much sense. xsksc has been townie since then but who knows.

at this point I'm kinda with deconduo. I wouldn't mind ghost dead but at some point we have to stop worrying about millers and this that and the other and just figure out who the last scum is. Like, if we lose because hyaach is a miller roleblocker... ok? I mean I've never even heard of that so I won't feel bad about myself. If we lose because snb and hiro are kp-less scum (making 5 scum in a 15 player game) then fuck it, I won't feel too bad about that either. But if we lose because we didn't lynch xsksc and hyaach when it was sitting on our plates the whole time.... I dunno.


Ok then, kill me today then hyaach tomorow, i'll still win if I'm dead so it's no big deal to me. Just gotta pray he's not miller/framed
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 25 2012 17:29 GMT
#1839
damn you for looking so innocent xsksc!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18055 Posts
June 25 2012 17:31 GMT
#1840
Okay. A miller roleblocker actually makes a lot of sense atm and I feel pretty badly atm about both an xskskc and a Hyaach lynch. On the other hand, I feel we can't go wrong on a ghost lynch.

Prime thing that makes him scum: we KNOW hyaach is a roleblocker. We've been assuming scum held their KP, but what if ghost is simply a mafia goon and the roleblock STOPPED his KP. Even if that is what scum wants us to think, the WORST case scenario is that we lynch a 3rd party. Who cares? (except ghost himself)

Ghost said he'd play townie, but has not been playing townie
Roleblocking ghost had the effect of stopping mafia KP

Lets lynch him!
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