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Shame we're not allowed to completely break this game  It's okay, though, I don't need encryption for my wincon. I win when all anti-town elements are dead!
I have no strange wincon requiring me to keep people alive, and/or ensure people are dead (other than all anti-town people of course), as was the case in Bastard Mafia I. My wincon is completely normal.
That said, I am hereby declaring myself at war with House Chezinu. I think House Chezinu has some distinctive anti-town elements to it and we should eradicate it from the face of the earth.
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The names of the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will not be released at this time. There will be no negotiation on this matter. Their overall function is to direct major goals and objectives.
The Knowledge Archives contain information pertaining to the underlying mechanics and characteristics of the setup.
On June 17 2012 04:00 DropBear wrote:And I said baby... doo doo... it's 3am I must be lonely... doo doo Hello all! I am fantabulously confused already. HiroPro I regretfully must pass on your offer for the time being, as you speak of fellow board members who remain undisclosed and speak of supporting members at lynch time regardless of their suspected alignment. Please don't be offended, it's not that I don't trust you, it's that I don't trust you YET. Plus it's hard to trust your associates when I don't know who they are Just out of interest, what did your promotion of VisceraEyes achieve? Was he originally part of your group or did he join up after your recruitment announcement?
Why do you suppose that the application to House Chezinu, 5th Party requires disclosure of abilities, win conditions, and goals? Applicants who supply false information or are inherently opposed to House Chezinu, 5th Party will not be accepted.
You may consider VisceraEyes as an emeritus member.
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Hmm, that was interesting about the encryption. Forcing scum to set up their roleclaims day1 seems like it would be a pretty strong town move.
FWIW, I don't think the "posting parts of your pm from the mods" rule is relevant here at all. AFAIK that rule was put in place to stop people from breaking games by comparing specific wording of PMs, it definitely doesn't outlaw roleclaiming at all.
That said, if the hosts think it would break the setup then that's too bad, but we can't do it.
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On June 17 2012 04:09 strongandbig wrote:
Hmm, that was interesting about the encryption. Forcing scum to set up their roleclaims day1 seems like it would be a pretty strong town move.
FWIW, I don't think the "posting parts of your pm from the mods" rule is relevant here at all. AFAIK that rule was put in place to stop people from breaking games by comparing specific wording of PMs, it definitely doesn't outlaw roleclaiming at all.
That said, if the hosts think it would break the setup then that's too bad, but we can't do it.
Coming into this game I had 17 fake role claim ideas in case I was scum / third party.
I think its more of a scum move than a town move
Also Ill read the thread now rather than the first sentence of the last post
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Talismania: I'm pretty sure Toad said in Bang Bang Mafia that you had posts typed out pregame, but would post them whether you were scum or town because they would gain you towncred. We've also seen in recent games (specifically, the recent pick your poison game) that when mafia think they can gain towncred by introducing a plan they tend to do so, even if that plan turns out to actually help town.
I'm with fourface - it seems a little bit suspicious to me that you would try to say "yeah I didn't post it that other game because I was scum but this game I'm town so go me."
If you actually played that way, you would be giving yourself away every time you decide not to post that same thing, everyone will think you're scum.
I think you're smart enough to know this. Therefore, there must be some times when you are scum but post that same little thing.
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Actually scratch that its less boring to not read the thread / role PM
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On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:58 MajuGarzett wrote:On June 17 2012 03:55 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 03:52 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 03:29 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:18 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps. 1. Claim your role name
2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
3. Claim your win condition
All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time. Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately. All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu? House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members). If all it does is support members in lynches is there really any difference between joining House Chezinu and forming an alliance?
In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).Additionally, alliance support is not absolute. It is merely a recognizance of no open hostilities between House Chezinu, 5th Party and said allied party. Who are the board members other than yourself? What are the knowledge archives? If House Chezinu wants members it should release all pertinent information. If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason.
Allied Party KharadBanar, are you indicating that you believe MajuGarzett to be a member of the mafia?
Also, the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party are not scum.
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On June 17 2012 04:13 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:On June 17 2012 03:58 MajuGarzett wrote:On June 17 2012 03:55 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 03:52 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 03:29 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:18 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps. 1. Claim your role name
2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
3. Claim your win condition
All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time. Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately. All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu? House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members). If all it does is support members in lynches is there really any difference between joining House Chezinu and forming an alliance?
In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).Additionally, alliance support is not absolute. It is merely a recognizance of no open hostilities between House Chezinu, 5th Party and said allied party. Who are the board members other than yourself? What are the knowledge archives? If House Chezinu wants members it should release all pertinent information. If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason. Allied Party KharadBanar, are you indicating that you believe MajuGarzett to be a member of the mafia? Also, the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party are not scum.
How do you know that and why should we believe you?
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On June 17 2012 04:13 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:On June 17 2012 03:58 MajuGarzett wrote:On June 17 2012 03:55 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 03:52 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 03:29 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:18 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps. 1. Claim your role name
2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
3. Claim your win condition
All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time. Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately. All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu? House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members). If all it does is support members in lynches is there really any difference between joining House Chezinu and forming an alliance?
In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).Additionally, alliance support is not absolute. It is merely a recognizance of no open hostilities between House Chezinu, 5th Party and said allied party. Who are the board members other than yourself? What are the knowledge archives? If House Chezinu wants members it should release all pertinent information. If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason. Allied Party KharadBanar, are you indicating that you believe MajuGarzett to be a member of the mafia? Also, the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party are not scum.
I think he means a player of mafia as a game, not as of the scum team.
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On June 17 2012 04:13 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:On June 17 2012 03:58 MajuGarzett wrote:On June 17 2012 03:55 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 03:52 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 03:29 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:18 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps. 1. Claim your role name
2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
3. Claim your win condition
All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time. Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately. All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu? House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members). If all it does is support members in lynches is there really any difference between joining House Chezinu and forming an alliance?
In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).Additionally, alliance support is not absolute. It is merely a recognizance of no open hostilities between House Chezinu, 5th Party and said allied party. Who are the board members other than yourself? What are the knowledge archives? If House Chezinu wants members it should release all pertinent information. If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason. Allied Party KharadBanar, are you indicating that you believe MajuGarzett to be a member of the mafia? Also, the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party are not scum.
How do we know that you are not scum?
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I have decided not to apply to House Chezinu. I do not want to be roped into something that there is so little information about, especially since I have no guarantee that members, board or otherwise, are not mafia.
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On June 17 2012 04:17 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:13 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:On June 17 2012 03:58 MajuGarzett wrote:On June 17 2012 03:55 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 03:52 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 03:29 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:18 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps. 1. Claim your role name
2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
3. Claim your win condition
All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time. Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately. All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu? House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members). If all it does is support members in lynches is there really any difference between joining House Chezinu and forming an alliance?
In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).Additionally, alliance support is not absolute. It is merely a recognizance of no open hostilities between House Chezinu, 5th Party and said allied party. Who are the board members other than yourself? What are the knowledge archives? If House Chezinu wants members it should release all pertinent information. If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason. Allied Party KharadBanar, are you indicating that you believe MajuGarzett to be a member of the mafia? Also, the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party are not scum. I think he means a player of mafia as a game, not as of the scum team.
I can confirm that I meant this as Mafia as in "the game", not "the faction". I usually call the faction "scum" or "mafia" with a lowercase "m", not "Mafia". (Yes, I'm enough of a grammar nazi that you can count on my capitalisation to convey meaning.)
As for HiroPro, I don't believe you yourself are mafia (←notice the difference?), I am actually leaning neutral on you (because neutral players officially exist in this game) but I am not convinced that you are telling the truth about your board members; it could well be that the Board of House Chezinu, 5th Party is comprised of one player of each faction or something like that.
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Acrofales the Compulsive Liar, I will no longer be addressing you. Your questions and comments are inane and deleterious. You have indicated yourself that you are an enemy of House Chezinu, 5th Party.
On June 17 2012 04:18 Hyaach wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:13 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:On June 17 2012 03:58 MajuGarzett wrote:On June 17 2012 03:55 HiroPro wrote:On June 17 2012 03:52 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 03:29 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:18 MajuGarzett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 17 2012 02:41 HiroPro wrote:House Chezinu, 5th Party Recruitment Welcome everyone. This is the Director of Recruitment at House Chezinu speaking. Due to recent personnel shortages, we are now conducting a recruitment drive. Anyone who is a player in this game may join (excepting any and all self-identified House Chezinu enemies). To complete your application, you must go through three simple steps. 1. Claim your role name
2. Claim any and all powers, abilities, restrictions, or requirements that you possess
3. Claim your win condition
All members of House Chezinu must also swear loyalty to all board members, whose names (excepting for mine) will be revealed at a later time. Remember, the benefits are numerous, the downsides non-existent. Join House Chezinu, 5th Party and reap the rewards immediately. All applications must be submitted by Sunday, Jun 17 6:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). What exactly are the benefits of House Chezinu? House Chezinu supports its own at all times, especially at times of lynching. In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members). If all it does is support members in lynches is there really any difference between joining House Chezinu and forming an alliance?
In times of plenty, members of House Chezinu, 5th Party will receive monetary compensation. Access to the Knowledge Archives is also permitted (with certain information restricted to board members).Additionally, alliance support is not absolute. It is merely a recognizance of no open hostilities between House Chezinu, 5th Party and said allied party. Who are the board members other than yourself? What are the knowledge archives? If House Chezinu wants members it should release all pertinent information. If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason. Allied Party KharadBanar, are you indicating that you believe MajuGarzett to be a member of the mafia? Also, the board members of House Chezinu, 5th Party are not scum. How do we know that you are not scum?
House Chezinu, 5th Party does not expect you to blindly follow us. Our actions in this game will make it perfectly clear that we are not scum.
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From this point on I am now ignoring any post that has anything to do with House Chezinu
I advice everyone else does the same so we can play a normal game
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On June 17 2012 04:28 Drazerk wrote: so we can play a normal game
trollolololol
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HiroPro did you actually think anyone would agree to honestly claiming their role in-thread?
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On June 17 2012 04:30 Nisani201 wrote:
HiroPro did you actually think anyone would agree to honestly claiming their role in-thread?
I would if I read my role PM
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On June 17 2012 04:28 Drazerk wrote:
From this point on I am now ignoring any post that has anything to do with House Chezinu
I advice everyone else does the same so we can play a normal game
This is not a normal game. The mere existence of House Chezinu, 5th Party should confirm this.
On June 17 2012 04:30 Nisani201 wrote:
HiroPro did you actually think anyone would agree to honestly claiming their role in-thread?
Correction: All applications must be submitted to the Bastard Moderators via PM with the subject "House Chezinu, 5th Party Application".
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As I understood it, they are not claiming their role in thread; rather they PM one of the hosts that they would like to join The House of Chezinu, 5th party (hereafter known as The HOUSE), and the hosts provide The HOUSE with the necessary information about the player.
At least that's what I understood from it.
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Also I am now policy ignoring Hiro since he started this rubbish
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