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On June 17 2012 04:30 Nisani201 wrote: HiroPro did you actually think anyone would agree to honestly claiming their role in-thread?
You should read the thread properly before jumping to conclusions.
- House Chezinu, 5th Party
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Because it is not immediately apparent anymore with the double ninja posting, my last post is addressed at Nisani201's question to HiroPro.
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I submit my dearest apologies to the House Chezinu for not reading the fine print.
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On June 17 2012 04:35 Drazerk wrote: You post slow This thread is going too fast. >_>
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Meh I changed my mind
I think House Chezinu is a Cult
If you join them you are retarded.
I am still ignoring Hiro
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On June 17 2012 04:28 Drazerk wrote: From this point on I am now ignoring any post that has anything to do with House Chezinu
I advice everyone else does the same so we can play a normal game
If the last Bastard game was any indication, this will be a bit stranger than a normal game.
Speaking of this House Chezinu... You "guys" want a lot for giving not so much. Are you a mason group? Can you recruit?
I'm staying cautiously positive atm. Unless you guys have cupcakes to offer, then I may change my stance =D
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Also this means I want to murder anyone to do with House Chezinu if you didn't gather that...
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Yo Drazerk, want to roleclaim in the thread? I don't trust you on basic principle and you're bound to claim some outrageously ridiculous role. I want to see it before I decide whether you're worth lynching over House Chezinu.
@HiroPro: ignoring me is dumb. I have legitimate concerns about you and House Chezinu and I feel your play is screwing up this game in a way that can only benefit scum (or, as the mods are phrasing it, anti-town).
You claim 5th party, which almost by definition is not town. You are also claiming a mysterious board of directors who you are unwilling to talk about, yet are convinced are town. I have a far simpler solution: Chezinu is scum and the board of directors is whoever else is chatting to Hiro in ScumQT.
Just another question: how many directors are there on your so-called board of directors?
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On June 17 2012 04:00 FourFace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:47 talismania wrote:Sorry for trying to break the setup! PS I will continue making that exact same post in every game I play until TL outright bans it :-) ( I held off in bangbang because I was scum there). Now to play normally: KharadBanarOn June 17 2012 03:08 KharadBanar wrote: This whole House Chezinu thing sounds really fishy to me. It's advertised as "all upside, no downside" but we have to claim our role and abilities to get in there, and pledge loyalty to players we don't know the alignment of.
In addition, Hiro says nothing about the organisational structure of the House, or if we get any rights/influence if we join, which normally means we don't get jack.
I am not at all convinced. On June 17 2012 03:34 KharadBanar wrote: I don't fully trust House Chezinu's intentions yet, but I would like to claim that I am not one of its enemies, and would be interested in an alliance, similar to Nisani201.
If this arrangement can be made, maybe we can talk about further deals in the future. So basically what happened here was that you reacted to what HiroPro posted in the thread by yourself, then went to your QT and talked it over with someone else and came back with an alliance offer, no? Nah, but what happened here with you was that you knew this encrypted shiznit was for the birds and even anticipated the hosts response and snuck in a "I was mafia in bang bang so that's why i didn't post this shiznit there .. I'm town now so I post it this time" trying to hammer our subconscious into believing you are town after which you make up a story about KharadBanar to create a false buffer of opposition .. in contrast to your "obvious townieness" we should believe he's obviously scummy. A bold and aggressive tactic .. I think you're all crazy.
On June 17 2012 04:13 strongandbig wrote: Talismania: I'm pretty sure Toad said in Bang Bang Mafia that you had posts typed out pregame, but would post them whether you were scum or town because they would gain you towncred. We've also seen in recent games (specifically, the recent pick your poison game) that when mafia think they can gain towncred by introducing a plan they tend to do so, even if that plan turns out to actually help town.
I'm with fourface - it seems a little bit suspicious to me that you would try to say "yeah I didn't post it that other game because I was scum but this game I'm town so go me."
If you actually played that way, you would be giving yourself away every time you decide not to post that same thing, everyone will think you're scum.
I think you're smart enough to know this. Therefore, there must be some times when you are scum but post that same little thing.
Ok guys.
Here's the post from the pick your poison thread after the game was over where I hinted that I had an even more powerful use for encryption that I didn't reveal during the game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340727¤tpage=36#719
And here's a screenshot of the BangBangMafia2 scum qt where I reference the idea: http://imgur.com/ljI1J (Don't worry it doesn't reveal anything informative about that game)
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Also, fourface I'd like to return to your quote and ask you to clarify something in it:
On June 17 2012 04:00 FourFace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:47 talismania wrote:Sorry for trying to break the setup! PS I will continue making that exact same post in every game I play until TL outright bans it :-) ( I held off in bangbang because I was scum there). Now to play normally: KharadBanarOn June 17 2012 03:08 KharadBanar wrote: This whole House Chezinu thing sounds really fishy to me. It's advertised as "all upside, no downside" but we have to claim our role and abilities to get in there, and pledge loyalty to players we don't know the alignment of.
In addition, Hiro says nothing about the organisational structure of the House, or if we get any rights/influence if we join, which normally means we don't get jack.
I am not at all convinced. On June 17 2012 03:34 KharadBanar wrote: I don't fully trust House Chezinu's intentions yet, but I would like to claim that I am not one of its enemies, and would be interested in an alliance, similar to Nisani201.
If this arrangement can be made, maybe we can talk about further deals in the future. So basically what happened here was that you reacted to what HiroPro posted in the thread by yourself, then went to your QT and talked it over with someone else and came back with an alliance offer, no? Nah, but what happened here with you was that you knew this encrypted shiznit was for the birds and even anticipated the hosts response and snuck in a "I was mafia in bang bang so that's why i didn't post this shiznit there .. I'm town now so I post it this time" trying to hammer our subconscious into believing you are town after which you make up a story about KharadBanar to create a false buffer of opposition .. in contrast to your "obvious townieness" we should believe he's obviously scummy. A bold and aggressive tactic .. I think you're all crazy.
What kind of opposition was I making to what, exactly? To Kharadbanar or to what he's trying to do? (I wasn't trying to do either, I'm poking and prodding because that's what I do).
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On June 17 2012 04:41 Acrofales wrote: Yo Drazerk, want to roleclaim in the thread? I don't trust you on basic principle and you're bound to claim some outrageously ridiculous role. I want to see it before I decide whether you're worth lynching over House Chezinu.
@HiroPro: ignoring me is dumb. I have legitimate concerns about you and House Chezinu and I feel your play is screwing up this game in a way that can only benefit scum (or, as the mods are phrasing it, anti-town).
You claim 5th party, which almost by definition is not town. You are also claiming a mysterious board of directors who you are unwilling to talk about, yet are convinced are town. I have a far simpler solution: Chezinu is scum and the board of directors is whoever else is chatting to Hiro in ScumQT.
Just another question: how many directors are there on your so-called board of directors?
You post slow
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HiroPro
What is your win condition?
Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition?
If so, how?
If not, then why are you asking people to join?
My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not?
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On June 17 2012 04:43 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:41 Acrofales wrote: Yo Drazerk, want to roleclaim in the thread? I don't trust you on basic principle and you're bound to claim some outrageously ridiculous role. I want to see it before I decide whether you're worth lynching over House Chezinu.
@HiroPro: ignoring me is dumb. I have legitimate concerns about you and House Chezinu and I feel your play is screwing up this game in a way that can only benefit scum (or, as the mods are phrasing it, anti-town).
You claim 5th party, which almost by definition is not town. You are also claiming a mysterious board of directors who you are unwilling to talk about, yet are convinced are town. I have a far simpler solution: Chezinu is scum and the board of directors is whoever else is chatting to Hiro in ScumQT.
Just another question: how many directors are there on your so-called board of directors?
You post slow
So do you, now answer the question. And yes, I read where you said you didn't read your role PM. I don't believe it.
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On June 17 2012 04:45 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:43 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2012 04:41 Acrofales wrote: Yo Drazerk, want to roleclaim in the thread? I don't trust you on basic principle and you're bound to claim some outrageously ridiculous role. I want to see it before I decide whether you're worth lynching over House Chezinu.
@HiroPro: ignoring me is dumb. I have legitimate concerns about you and House Chezinu and I feel your play is screwing up this game in a way that can only benefit scum (or, as the mods are phrasing it, anti-town).
You claim 5th party, which almost by definition is not town. You are also claiming a mysterious board of directors who you are unwilling to talk about, yet are convinced are town. I have a far simpler solution: Chezinu is scum and the board of directors is whoever else is chatting to Hiro in ScumQT.
Just another question: how many directors are there on your so-called board of directors?
You post slow So do you, now answer the question. And yes, I read where you said you didn't read your role PM. I don't believe it.
Meh I play by my own rules anyway you should know this
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Also I feel this is needed
If you join House Chezinu I will policy lynch you
that is all
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KharadBanar and Nisani206
Why did you ally with HiroPro?
What is your win condition, and how do you think allying with HiroPro helps it?
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On June 17 2012 04:45 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:45 Acrofales wrote:On June 17 2012 04:43 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2012 04:41 Acrofales wrote: Yo Drazerk, want to roleclaim in the thread? I don't trust you on basic principle and you're bound to claim some outrageously ridiculous role. I want to see it before I decide whether you're worth lynching over House Chezinu.
@HiroPro: ignoring me is dumb. I have legitimate concerns about you and House Chezinu and I feel your play is screwing up this game in a way that can only benefit scum (or, as the mods are phrasing it, anti-town).
You claim 5th party, which almost by definition is not town. You are also claiming a mysterious board of directors who you are unwilling to talk about, yet are convinced are town. I have a far simpler solution: Chezinu is scum and the board of directors is whoever else is chatting to Hiro in ScumQT.
Just another question: how many directors are there on your so-called board of directors?
You post slow So do you, now answer the question. And yes, I read where you said you didn't read your role PM. I don't believe it. Meh I play by my own rules anyway you should know this Yeah, all the more reason not to trust you! Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... yeah, you're scum until you flip otherwise.
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On June 17 2012 04:43 talismania wrote: HiroPro
What is your win condition?
Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition?
If so, how?
If not, then why are you asking people to join?
My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not? I don't think we can get much information out of The HOUSE anyway, for the aforementioned reasons (their only advantage is information, so they're not going to give it to us for free). This in turn leads me to the opinion that Drazerk is very much right in ignoring The HOUSE for now. I will do so from now on (I'll not play against HiroPro or his faction since we are allies, but I'm not going to mention them too much in my posting) and I believe it is wise for you to do the same.
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Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off.
On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote: If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that. By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason.
This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing?
You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB?
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On June 17 2012 04:48 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:43 talismania wrote: HiroPro
What is your win condition?
Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition?
If so, how?
If not, then why are you asking people to join?
My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not? I don't think we can get much information out of The HOUSE anyway, for the aforementioned reasons (their only advantage is information, so they're not going to give it to us for free). This in turn leads me to the opinion that Drazerk is very much right in ignoring The HOUSE for now. I will do so from now on (I'll not play against HiroPro or his faction since we are allies, but I'm not going to mention them too much in my posting) and I believe it is wise for you to do the same.
What is your win condition, and how does being allied with HiroPro help you?
Is your win condition compatible with mine? Mine is to eliminate all anti-town players.
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