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On June 17 2012 04:48 KharadBanar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:43 talismania wrote:
HiroPro
What is your win condition?
Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition?
If so, how?
If not, then why are you asking people to join?
My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not? I don't think we can get much information out of The HOUSE anyway, for the aforementioned reasons (their only advantage is information, so they're not going to give it to us for free). This in turn leads me to the opinion that Drazerk is very much right in ignoring The HOUSE for now. I will do so from now on (I'll not play against HiroPro or his faction since we are allies, but I'm not going to mention them too much in my posting) and I believe it is wise for you to do the same.
Hmmm, can you get any more wishywashy than this?
Drazerk has come to the conclusion, as have I, that Chezinu is most probably some flavour of scum. Anything to say on that account? Or are you happy to stay "allied" to them, which sounds an awful lot like "I don't want to have an opinion"... aka "I'm scum posting filler posts!!!"
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On June 17 2012 04:46 Drazerk wrote:Also I feel this is needed
If you join House Chezinu I will policy lynch you
that is all
What about self-declared allies of house chezinu? Like KB and Nisani?
Also, AFAIK this application process is private, so how would you know that people have joined the Chezinu faction?
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On June 17 2012 04:41 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Drazerk, want to roleclaim in the thread? I don't trust you on basic principle and you're bound to claim some outrageously ridiculous role. I want to see it before I decide whether you're worth lynching over House Chezinu.
@HiroPro: ignoring me is dumb. I have legitimate concerns about you and House Chezinu and I feel your play is screwing up this game in a way that can only benefit scum (or, as the mods are phrasing it, anti-town).
You claim 5th party, which almost by definition is not town. You are also claiming a mysterious board of directors who you are unwilling to talk about, yet are convinced are town. I have a far simpler solution: Chezinu is scum and the board of directors is whoever else is chatting to Hiro in ScumQT.
Just another question: how many directors are there on your so-called board of directors?
We are House Chezinu, 5th Party. That is all I am permitted to say. Portals of the past may aid you in learning about us. The number of board members will not be released.
On June 17 2012 04:43 talismania wrote:
HiroPro
What is your win condition?
Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition?
If so, how?
If not, then why are you asking people to join?
My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not?
My personal win condition is to improve House Chezinu, 5th Party. Acceptable members joining obviously furthers this goal.
Your claimed win condition is compatible with House Chezinu, 5th Party. Anti-town forces possess killing power which can harm the members of House Chezinu, 5th Party and their removal is beneficial.
We are pleased to see the interest in joining and aiding House Chezinu, 5th Party. However, several individuals ask questions which can already be answered by reading the personal filter of Director of Recruitment/Funding HiroPro. Please do this.
I am taking a lunch break and will be back in ~45 minutes.
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On June 17 2012 04:52 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:46 Drazerk wrote:Also I feel this is needed
If you join House Chezinu I will policy lynch you
that is all What about self-declared allies of house chezinu? Like KB and Nisani? Also, AFAIK this application process is private, so how would you know that people have joined the Chezinu faction?
They die
They all die
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On June 17 2012 04:47 talismania wrote:
KharadBanar and Nisani206
Why did you ally with HiroPro?
Because I prefer to make friends, not enemies.
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On June 17 2012 04:53 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:41 Acrofales wrote:
Yo Drazerk, want to roleclaim in the thread? I don't trust you on basic principle and you're bound to claim some outrageously ridiculous role. I want to see it before I decide whether you're worth lynching over House Chezinu.
@HiroPro: ignoring me is dumb. I have legitimate concerns about you and House Chezinu and I feel your play is screwing up this game in a way that can only benefit scum (or, as the mods are phrasing it, anti-town).
You claim 5th party, which almost by definition is not town. You are also claiming a mysterious board of directors who you are unwilling to talk about, yet are convinced are town. I have a far simpler solution: Chezinu is scum and the board of directors is whoever else is chatting to Hiro in ScumQT.
Just another question: how many directors are there on your so-called board of directors?
We are House Chezinu, 5th Party. That is all I am permitted to say. Portals of the past may aid you in learning about us. The number of board members will not be released.
Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:43 talismania wrote:
HiroPro
What is your win condition?
Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition?
If so, how?
If not, then why are you asking people to join?
My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not? My personal win condition is to improve House Chezinu, 5th Party. Acceptable members joining obviously furthers this goal. Your claimed win condition is compatible with House Chezinu, 5th Party. Anti-town forces possess killing power which can harm the members of House Chezinu, 5th Party and their removal is beneficial.
We are pleased to see the interest in joining and aiding House Chezinu, 5th Party. However, several individuals ask questions which can already be answered by reading the personal filter of Director of Recruitment/Funding HiroPro. Please do this. I am taking a lunch break and will be back in ~45 minutes.
When you're back from your lunch break -
"improve" House Chezinu? What does that mean, specifically?
For instance, do you win when X players join your House? When members of your House are the only ones left alive? What is your win condition, specifically?
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On June 17 2012 05:00 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:47 talismania wrote:
KharadBanar and Nisani206
Why did you ally with HiroPro? Because I prefer to be scum, not town.
FTFY
Town don't want friends you idiot
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Yo.
I'm not interested in joining House Chezinu, at least until we have some more information about the potential "benefits" of doing so, but I would be interested to know why Drazerk is so intent on mass murdering anyone to do with it. Do you know something that we don't? Or do you just have a bad feeling about it?
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On June 17 2012 05:00 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:47 talismania wrote:
KharadBanar and Nisani206
Why did you ally with HiroPro? Because I prefer to make friends, not enemies.
You conveniently omitted the second question I asked.
What is your win condition and how does allying with HiroPro assist it?
I'm sitting here with the win condition of having to eliminate all anti-town players. I don't need to ally anyone to do that as near as I can see, yet you have decided to do so. That means you probably don't have my win condition, which means you probably aren't town. So. What is your win condition, and how does allying HiroPro assist it?
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Why don't I want friends?
My win condition is to kill anti-town people. If House Chezinu can help me with that then I want to be friends with them.
It's not like I'm permanently bound to them. If HiroPro does something stupid then I'll obviously break ties with him.
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actually I want to kill 201 tomorrow
Any objections?
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You have no say in this scum
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On June 17 2012 05:03 Nisani201 wrote:
Why don't I want friends?
My win condition is to kill anti-town people. If House Chezinu can help me with that then I want to be friends with them.
It's not like I'm permanently bound to them. If HiroPro does something stupid then I'll obviously break ties with him.
Not enough.
What made you think that House Chezinu could help you do that? HiroPro hadn't said anything detailed at all about the House (and still hasn't) and if you really have the same win condition as me, how you could come to the conlusion that randomly allying with a house would help you eliminate anti-town players?
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We policy lynch everyone who said his win condition is to eliminate all anti-town players and those who will continue to say it or ask about win condition. And remember to drink some alcoholic beverage every time you read House what's its name.
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On June 17 2012 05:09 FourFace wrote:
We policy lynch everyone who said his win condition is to eliminate all anti-town players and those who will continue to say it or ask about win condition. And remember to drink some alcoholic beverage every time you read House what's its name.
I repeat:
On June 16 2012 20:52 Acrofales wrote:
Policy lynch 4F for suggesting bad policies!
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On June 17 2012 05:09 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 05:03 Nisani201 wrote:
Why don't I want friends?
My win condition is to kill anti-town people. If House Chezinu can help me with that then I want to be friends with them.
It's not like I'm permanently bound to them. If HiroPro does something stupid then I'll obviously break ties with him. Not enough. What made you think that House Chezinu could help you do that? HiroPro hadn't said anything detailed at all about the House (and still hasn't) and if you really have the same win condition as me, how you could come to the conlusion that randomly allying with a house would help you eliminate anti-town players?
My vague "alliance" with them can do no harm. All I did was post in the thread saying that I would like to ally with them.
That's it.
I am not saying that House Chezinu is 100% town, and I am not saying that I think they will help town. But if they do, I want in.
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On June 17 2012 05:09 FourFace wrote:
We policy lynch everyone who said his win condition is to eliminate all anti-town players and those who will continue to say it or ask about win condition. And remember to drink some alcoholic beverage every time you read House what's its name.
Why?
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On June 17 2012 04:50 DropBear wrote:Something about this post from KharadBanar seems a bit off. Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:04 KharadBanar wrote:
If you read HiroPro's posts explaining how House Chezinu operates, you will come to the realisation that this isn't exactly going to happen. If they would tell you everything right from the get-go, they would lose some leverage after all because you don't need to join their organisation to get all that info, no? Everything comes at a price, and you as a Mafia player should be able to understand that.
By the way, the reason I am hesitant to give my roleclaim to them is that I Do Not Want potential scum members of the House to see my role. This should go for every townie: If you join The House and a scum member sees your role because of it, you are giving information to the whole scum team. The scum team operates on an information advantage already, and there is no need to let them get further ahead. So don't do it unless you have a good reason. This is a whole bunch of filler really. You can say I don't want to join cos of lack of trust, why bother with the extended spiel about how giving info to scum is bad? Why crap on about how they can't tell everything? Are you trying to look like you are contributing? You also don't seem to be including yourself in the townies you speak of, are you a third party KB?
Welp, there goes my "ignoring The HOUSE" stance, because I want to explain myself:
I bother with the extended spiel about giving info to scum because I do not think everyone in this thread had realised this by then. The scum team would presumably be very interested in getting one (exactly one) of their players into The HOUSE so they can use him as an information link between all the players in The HOUSE and their own team. We (the town players) are all on our own until we join The HOUSE, but when we join The HOUSE to have a side conversation in there, that one scum player will be very happy to listen in on that and pass it on to his team mates.
This is why I don't think that joining The HOUSE is advantageous to us. Finally, if we look at the extreme case where everyone but the anti-HOUSE players joins The HOUSE, we have a very weird situation where (I think) the Board of The HOUSE knows everyone's alignment but everyone else doesn't, and I have no idea who would profit from that but I don't want to try it out.
I just wanted to "crap on about how they can't tell everything" because I thought about the issue and wanted to share my thoughts about it with you, which doesn't strike me as a very bad thing to do.
On June 17 2012 04:50 talismania wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 04:48 KharadBanar wrote:On June 17 2012 04:43 talismania wrote:
HiroPro
What is your win condition?
Would me or anyone else joining your House of Chezinu help that win condition?
If so, how?
If not, then why are you asking people to join?
My win condition is to win when all anti-town forces are eliminated. Does me joining your House help that? Why or why not? I don't think we can get much information out of The HOUSE anyway, for the aforementioned reasons (their only advantage is information, so they're not going to give it to us for free). This in turn leads me to the opinion that Drazerk is very much right in ignoring The HOUSE for now. I will do so from now on (I'll not play against HiroPro or his faction since we are allies, but I'm not going to mention them too much in my posting) and I believe it is wise for you to do the same. What is your win condition, and how does being allied with HiroPro help you? Is your win condition compatible with mine? Mine is to eliminate all anti-town players.
I win by eliminating anti-town players like you, so yeah I think we are compatible 
By allying with The HOUSE, I essentially eliminate some of the players (both town and scum) from the equation and can concentrate on studying the remaining ones (which should contain both town and scum too, if my calculations are correct.)
On June 17 2012 05:02 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 05:00 Nisani201 wrote:On June 17 2012 04:47 talismania wrote:
KharadBanar and Nisani206
Why did you ally with HiroPro? Because I prefer to be scum, not town. FTFY Town don't want friends you idiot
This is not necessarily true. Town want friends whom they know to be town, which The HOUSE could offer, but there is the added culprit of scum players using that to their advantage which is why I don't outright join The HOUSE. My reason for allying with them is described above
This should also answer the questions posed by others since I begun writing this post, too; if you deem other parts of my play questionable, please pose a question.
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On June 17 2012 05:14 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 05:09 FourFace wrote:
We policy lynch everyone who said his win condition is to eliminate all anti-town players and those who will continue to say it or ask about win condition. And remember to drink some alcoholic beverage every time you read House what's its name. Why?
Because saying you are town, aka your win condition is to eliminate scum is in no way or form an indication that you are town, and yet people do it, just to fill those pages imo, which is scummy.
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