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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On June 18 2012 22:19 FourFace wrote: Is marvellosity ETs smurf btw? marvellous ET? lol ur like BH lite - 1% the laughs, 1% the skill | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On June 19 2012 03:22 Acrofales wrote: Point me to a recent, relevant, game in which you were town. I have read WaW2 and you played very differently. For one, you were verbose and not posting irritating 1-liners. I have read Aperture, but you weren't town and were killed D1. So yeah, start pointing. Also, lets assume you're telling the truth and you haven't read your role PM. We know you're not the MA, because a king was chosen. If we assume the MA is town, that makes you by far the best option for a RNG policy lynch, because the odds of you being town are less than for anybody else. Given that you are ensuring that any read on you is about as useful as a RNG policy lynch on you would be, this is an excellent choice for us D1! Added bonus: we get rid of a confirmed troll, who is clearly not intending to contribute this game. We lynch people who are scum. Drazerk may be a troll but I agree with most of his reads, and he is clearly reading and giving out his opinions. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On June 19 2012 01:52 HiroPro wrote: This is a good case against ET. ET obviously cares about the lynch as he is comfortable throwing out a list of people he finds weird. But he doesn't pressure these people, he doesn't make any substantiated reads on any of them, he doesn't make cases. In the beginning of the game he tried to lead the discussion into useless stuff about the way Toad played in LV. He says that he wants to join a mason circle without revealing his alignment. This is scummy; all he wants is to influence others. He speculates that there may not even be mafia in this game: S&B and FourFace are right: this is what mafia want us to think. He talks about fulfilling his town meta by being accused. He's trying to defend himself without actually saying anything or without going after FourFace. This is not town play at all, especially for ET. Look at his filter in Magic:The Gathering Mini Mafia. ET is very aggressive early on, extremely keen on pressuring people, and actually provides reasoning when he calls people suspicious. That is not how he has played this game. ##Vote: EchelonTee Read my Liar Game filter. Do you think this is my scum meta? LMAO I don't think we've played together HiroPro, but pretty much I would never put myself in this situation if I didn't think it would benefit my team. Which happens to be town this game. If I was scum, I would not be in this position, which is why I stated "town meta by being accused". KB looks a lot like a mislynch. I'm a mislynch. Town direction is this way that way; who do you think will actulaly get lynched? DO you think you will get me lynched? it's 24 hours in; do you really think this game is going naturally at this point? No one has given much defense on Maju. I'm not going to do your work for you; look at his filter; scummy as fuck. Evidence? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343892&user=187599 what's his filter look like? a bunch of questions to random people, no direction AT ALL how many people has he called scum ? 0 <<< I point you to my TL LV case: Look at Maju's posts: who has he called out as suspicious? [redacted, it's 0 in this game] Who does he make a case on? ....No one. How many posts does he have? A decent amount. That's what I mean by "extremely low content to post ratio". He has almost no interest in scumhunting based on the amount of posts he has that aren't scumhunting. lynch this scum Maju, it's so obvious that it baffles me | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
And we played together in MTG. That's not the way you're playing this game. | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
On June 19 2012 01:52 HiroPro wrote: There are some people who are saying that we should be focusing on lynching third parties. This is flat-out wrong and blatantly anti-town. This is what scum want - they want us to lynch third parties during the day and then they can night-kill townies. Third parties would be neutral in this setup; it doesn't matter how many of them are alive as long as we kill everyone who is anti-town. Anti-town will have a clear motivation (to focus the lynch on townies or third parties). Third parties will only care about whatever their objective is and their own life. I think KB and Nisani201 are linked survivors of some kind (if you look at Bastard 1, the survivor roles could win by not only surviving themselves but also having someone else live). This would explain why they are so close together (KB decided to form an alliance with House Chezinu right after Nisani201, while Nisani201 has defended KB in a nonsensical manner) and why the cases they have put forth have been short and never followed up on (they simply don't care who gets lynched). And ultimately I don't see a reason why as scum they would be so open to forming an alliance with House Chezinu. If someone wants to shoot them, go right ahead. They're clearly not helping town. But I think we should be focusing on other targets for our lynch. This is a good case against ET. ET obviously cares about the lynch as he is comfortable throwing out a list of people he finds weird. But he doesn't pressure these people, he doesn't make any substantiated reads on any of them, he doesn't make cases. In the beginning of the game he tried to lead the discussion into useless stuff about the way Toad played in LV. He says that he wants to join a mason circle without revealing his alignment. This is scummy; all he wants is to influence others. He speculates that there may not even be mafia in this game: S&B and FourFace are right: this is what mafia want us to think. He talks about fulfilling his town meta by being accused. He's trying to defend himself without actually saying anything or without going after FourFace. This is not town play at all, especially for ET. Look at his filter in Magic:The Gathering Mini Mafia. ET is very aggressive early on, extremely keen on pressuring people, and actually provides reasoning when he calls people suspicious. That is not how he has played this game. ##Vote: EchelonTee ET what says you about Hiro's case. I agree with his case in that you have thrown out a bunch of names, (kinda of like Drazerk) without providing any solid reasoning behind them. I mean, you can only conclude so much from a meta read and both of your targets are from meta read. You are not convincing in scum hunting right now. KH. Twice you didn't answer why would you deliberately lie about the timing of our post. I think 201 and KH is third party. And to anyone who says keeping third party alive is good. Its all relative, their win condition could be with town or against town. Until we find out when one flip, we'll never know. Right now keeping my vote on 201 until ET responds. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
In the beginning of the game he tried to lead the discussion into useless stuff about the way Toad played in LV. He says that he wants to join a mason circle without revealing his alignment. This is scummy; all he wants is to influence others. He speculates that there may not even be mafia in this game: S&B and FourFace are right: this is what mafia want us to think. I stated the same thing in Kaller game; I speculated that there was no scum faction, as I saw a million blues and no red deaths for like 4 days. I was day vig. I did a similar thing in TL LV. I setup speculationed a lot while running for mayor. I was townie. I setup speculation a lot more as town because it benefits town discussion; you can call it fluffy or useless or w.e the fck; I never expose my hide unnecessarily as scum. TL LII jubjub is another good example of my scum play. If you still lynch me after I reveal all of my meta tips, I'm going to be pissed off as fuck. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
Drazerk, I don't really have any reason to regard anything you say as valid, lol. THe most weird thing about hiropro is that he says FF's case is good. FF's case is god awful terrible. HiroPro's case is OK if you don't use context.... seriously FF's case is extremely bad. You really want me to break it down logically? You can't see the faults in it? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On June 18 2012 20:59 FourFace wrote: Reflections regarding EchelonTee; 1) ETs first 11 posts are all about House Chezinu cheers, more specifically on and off about it being a cult or not.. like playing ping pong with my patience = the ball, and him and Drazerk the players. I call it scum pong that can, at it's finest, make you want to slit your wrist while trying to read the thread like in LVI Toad vs VE. He says he called it as trolling but he simply enumerated all the possibilities not definitely opting for either. He also states the intention of being part of a mason circle that anyone can join and is being established on n0 - which means you have no clue about the alignment of the players yet and thus it's very likely that scum join the circle. Technically it's not a mason circle and one is supposed to be weary and cautious upon joining under these particular circumstances but the fact that he takes the words mason circle in his mouth and repeatedly chews it over is scummy imo A town player would see the lack of benefit in this whole endeavor and stfu about it. First point; says I'm scummy about talking House Chezinu. Literally everyone else talked about the house to some extent. His reasoning for saying I'm scummy is that "a town player would stfu about this"; so is everyone who talked about the hosue scummy? During N0, that house thing is the only topic that generated any significant discussion; it's not anti-town to talk about the fcking town topic. This is a weak point at best. Second point; so Drazerk can troll, but I have to be serious. Game is fun. On June 18 2012 20:59 FourFace wrote: 3rd point; what does this even mean? He is assuming I am scum and saying "he realized that no scum would apply to the circle, so he wants to apply and corrupt the town circle"????????????? so simply wanting to be in a mason circle is scummy?? no it's not lol!!![/quote]3) 13th post About House Chezinu (hiccup+burp, excuse me) again but this time pay attention and think for a minute ET is so into mason circles, right? But here is the perfect opportunity to have a clean mason circle with no scum in it unless they claim scum via the application. I mean you send your application to the mods.. they announce your role and wincon in the circle and then you're good to chat among fellow confirmed townies but instead this is exactly what he doesn't want because as scum he would drop his disguise for what? A couple of third parties and townies because the MA wouldn't be so stupid to join and reveal himself like that and at this point ET must've also come to this conclusion. TL;DR: ET says he wants in on a potentially corrupted to hell mason circle but when the perspective arises to be in a perfectly sanitized pro-town mason circle he changes his mind. On June 18 2012 20:59 FourFace wrote: 4th, so I'm not enjoying this game, now I'm scum. LOL[/quote]4) projected morale I've read somewhere that scum always points out the negative aspects is one of those times. He's saying this game sux, you all suck you are boring for fucks sake entertain me. This + the scum pong with Drazerk is reason enough for me to vote for you, because these passive and subtle blows to morale outweigh any active trolling attempts in harmfulness. On June 18 2012 20:59 FourFace wrote: Seeing no deaths, I consider the possibility of mafia faction; what other game didn't have a mafia faction? Bastard 1. Am I an idiot for considering the possibility? Apparently so. lol....5) - which someone said scum would want town to believe and I agree. Also in the same post a half-ass accusation of Maju because he is trending. On June 18 2012 20:59 FourFace wrote: 6th, so I'm scummy for thinking that scummy people are scum. Alright....................................6) So basically he thinks he can get away with voting for those who other made cases against and are the most talked about suspicion-wise. On June 18 2012 20:59 FourFace wrote: Then he calls me gay, justifying my scumminess.Gay, and lazy and careless imo. ##Vote: EchelonTee where's the case I DONT SEE IT | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
I played TL LV too. If you read Maju's filter there, its almost the same as what he did here and he turned out scum in that game. The downside I see to Maju's question this game is his lack of stance on House Chezinu. He asked some legitimate questions but lack on a firm stance. That and he needs to get in and post soon or did he get pressured into lurking which ET could strongly claim fits Maju's scum meta in LV too. But ET, meta could only get you so far, while i agree with you on Maju, I have no idea on the metas of the other players here and am lazy to read their previous game. Bottomline, start finding solid case from post in here. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
like this makes you look bad as hell hiropro; I don't mind you independently thinking im scummy, but seriously you think that caseis good????? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On June 19 2012 03:53 Hyaach wrote: Should have refreshed. I played TL LV too. If you read Maju's filter there, its almost the same as what he did here and he turned out scum in that game. The downside I see to Maju's question this game is his lack of stance on House Chezinu. He asked some legitimate questions but lack on a firm stance. That and he needs to get in and post soon or did he get pressured into lurking which ET could strongly claim fits Maju's scum meta in LV too. But ET, meta could only get you so far, while i agree with you on Maju, I have no idea on the metas of the other players here and am lazy to read their previous game. Bottomline, start finding solid case from post in here. my solid case is here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=343892&user=187599 lynch maju ffs | ||
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talismania
United States2364 Posts
KharadBanar - third party survivor or something. The push on him has gone down way too easily in my opinion for him to be a part of moderately-large scum team. Everyone has wanted him lynched or has cast suspicion on him at some point. Drazerk - trolls every game I guess. I want to shoot him so bad just to make a point but something doesn't seem right about that. I'm not convinced he's scum but I'm also convinced that whatever he's doing isn't being helpful. Thoughts? strongandbig - Man I have been alternately tunneling this guy as scum and as null. Two things seem off to me. One is his change in demeanor from pregame to the actual game. He went from really excited/giddy to being sober/composed. His large posts are bit too carefully structured for my tastes. At the same time he's clearly paying a lot of attention to the game as shown by his apropos questions to people. The second thing is that I find the case on Drazerk somewhat facile. HiroPro - lean town based on gut. He sounds genuine. deconduo - Kinda want to shoot him too. He has been lurky, and has been only talking about game setup and past games and such. Make a case, dood. Hyaach - Dunno. Null read but I'm wary of him. Acrofales - Seems townie to me. The way he phrased his wincon matches well with what I would expect. That's kinda stupid I know but eh. His behavior in general does not seem scumlike. EchelonTree - I flip between scum and null on him. He doesn't post that much but at the same time seems very comfortable. Strange. Nisani201 - Something ain't right here. Guy does not seem townlike at all. xsksc - Null/town. Seems to be playing from a town POV. talismania - town DropBear - I think acro makes a decent case against him, but I'm not completely convinced myself. Null. BioSC - Who? MajuGarzett - Null. I can't remember much about him other than that hiro and et have made opposition to him known. FourFace - another trollish player. Also rather conspiracy-minded. For instance, assuming that I knew my plan would be shot down by the mods, assuming that Hiro was lying about saying that if he were scum he would have continued the House Chezinu ruse, shit like that. I think it's interesting that he cleaned up his act to make a case. Is he scared of being shot? Thoughts? | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
I really dislike playing a game with Kenpachi style. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On June 19 2012 03:47 Drazerk wrote: Scum palmar gets lynched because he doesn't play as scum... sandroba gets lynched because of meta. sandroba gets lynched because of meta stfu about meta being useless, you are just wrong and you hate meta for personal reasons or whatever you don't meta players like toad or whatever the fuck, but come on; analyzing playstyles is wrong? lol man... i am so glad I /out'd of holy roman now | ||
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