I might be getting clouded by OMGUS; read HiroPro's case on me, and his stance on Maju/FF's case, and tell me that that isn't an example of twisting logic to fit a goal of making someone look scummy.

HiroPro

United States2624 Posts

June 18 2012 19:14 GMT

#564

Yea, I'm pretty certain.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

June 18 2012 19:15 GMT

#565

On June 19 2012 04:10 HiroPro wrote:

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On June 18 2012 06:31 MajuGarzett wrote:

On June 18 2012 06:13 HiroPro wrote:

On June 18 2012 05:59 MajuGarzett wrote:

On June 18 2012 02:59 HiroPro wrote:

MajuGarzett:

If you look at MajuGarzett's filter, he's posted several times throughout the game. He's not actually concerned with finding scum, though. He spends almost all of his time asking about what abilities and information you can get from being a member. He doesn't try to determine my alignment; all he's concerned about is what he can gain from joining.

On June 17 2012 11:07 MajuGarzett wrote:

On June 17 2012 10:50 xsksc wrote:

On June 17 2012 10:05 Drazerk wrote:
I should read the thread but that is too much effort

... I remember trying to lynch you in Steamship for this kind of posting. People just said, nah that's just how Drazerk plays. There's no need to be lazy though. -_-

Is anyone else around atm? The thread's gone pretty quiet, let's try and get some constructive discussion going. I would like to hear some more opinnions on Nisanis and Kharadbanars haste in allying with an unknown faction, especially this early in the game. Personally, I don't like their decision at all. We have very little information about the House, because honestly, most of HiroPro's posts about it have been flavour and nonsense. It may turn out that HiroPro and his House turn out to be a good resource for town. Until I know more about it, however, I'm staying well clear.

Well allying such a shady group is weird but there's no real downside to it as the alliance is so far just empty words. I can see why they did it. Honestly I think that the house won't really do anything to help Nisani and KB.

The most telling part of MajuGarzett's filter though is where he responds to xsksc. MajuGarzett doesn't try to analyze the behavior of Nisani or KB. All he does is say "Oh, I don't think the house will help them". He's not interested in making a clear statement on what he thinks about House Chezinu (beyond trying to quietly discredit it). He's posting for the sake of posting.

MajuGarzett isn't scumhunting; he's only concerned about himself. He's scum.

I wasn't just concerned with what I could gain from joining. I was concerned with what anyone could gain from joining. By knowing more about the house it allows for better reads on anyone who allied with or applied to the house.

On the second point by use of extrapolation, we can see that by saying "I can see why they did it" I also meant " I don't find them scummy for wanting an alliance" which is a response to xsksc's question. It wasn't just posting for the sake of posting.

Explain this to me. You first say that by learning more about the house, you can make a better read on anyone. But I didn't give out anything really; so what specifically about their behavior makes you say you don't find them scummy? And those two statements are not the same thing: one is a fairly meaningless buddy-buddy statement, while the other is a clear opinion.

Well I wanted to get info to make reads but obviously that didn't work out. Being bereft of such detailed info, I felt that KB and 201 being curious about the house and wanting to be privy to any resources it had without being roped into anything that could be bad for town wasn't particularly scummy as I felt scum would probably distance themselves from such a shady organization.

No but this is.

Maju: there isn't enough information to make a scum read, I'll make a scum read later

-_________________________________________- really...............

HiroPro

United States2624 Posts

June 18 2012 19:16 GMT

#566

Read the entire conversation - He said that he didn't find them scummy.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

June 18 2012 19:17 GMT

#567

people on TL Mafia are too obsessed with pbpa analysis. I learned in my first game here that anyone with a high school education can fake pbpa analysis like hell. i think that's way worse than crutching on meta, lol.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

June 18 2012 19:17 GMT

#568

On June 19 2012 04:16 HiroPro wrote:
Read the entire conversation - He said that he didn't find them scummy.

so who has he found scummy?

HiroPro

United States2624 Posts

June 18 2012 19:17 GMT

#569

No one. That's why he's a survivor, and not town.

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

June 18 2012 19:18 GMT

#570

On June 19 2012 04:17 EchelonTee wrote:
people on TL Mafia are too obsessed with pbpa analysis. I learned in my first game here that anyone with a high school education can fake pbpa analysis like hell. i think that's way worse than crutching on meta, lol.

Its ok I hate it with a passion

talismania

United States2364 Posts

June 18 2012 19:18 GMT

#571

On June 19 2012 04:10 Drazerk wrote:

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Why Dec?

I want him to actually say something about someone in the game. Not talk about theoretical assassins and kingmakers.

People I know it's my decision to make. It was that from the beginning. All my bullshit about posting cases was just that - bullshit. But it has been useful, no? People have posted their cases and their reactions to the whole situation has been informative as well.

Right now I think Drazerk is the safe choice as his removal from the game can't really hurt even if he's medic or something because of his tendency towards disruptive trollishness etc. But as BioSC says it does seem almost like he wants to get shot. Interesting.

strongandbig is a risky shot. If he's scum, great. If he's not then we've lost a pretty engaged town player.

Nisani is a fairly safe shot but also rather lynchable.

FourFace I have found alternately scummy and just paranoid townie. The only thing he didn't get paranoid about was when I claimed dayvig (while other people were being paranoid about it). He seemed to believe it right away, and has since cleaned up his act and forced a case out. He may be the best shot.

That's where I am right now.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

June 18 2012 19:19 GMT

#572

On June 19 2012 04:17 HiroPro wrote:
No one. That's why he's a survivor, and not town.

How can you be so fraggen sure that he's survivor and not scum? It's not as though scum dislike making cases on people. It's not as though he acted exactly like this game in another game he was scum. It's not as though he looks like scum, and the only reason why the word "survivor" even comes up is that the last bastard game was chock full of them.

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

June 18 2012 19:20 GMT

#573

Does anyone think Tali's answer was preprepared and possibly written for him?

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

June 18 2012 19:20 GMT

#574

All I really got from that post

talismania

United States2364 Posts

June 18 2012 19:22 GMT

#575

On June 19 2012 04:20 Drazerk wrote:
Does anyone think Tali's answer was preprepared and possibly written for him?

TT so insulting. Do you want to be shot?

HiroPro

United States2624 Posts

June 18 2012 19:23 GMT

#576

On June 19 2012 04:19 EchelonTee wrote:

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In Holy Roman, when he was accused, he called several other people scum and started voicing his opinion on lynches. He's so scared that he hasn't done anything this game; that suggests he's a survivor.

Hyaach

Singapore1737 Posts

June 18 2012 19:23 GMT

#577

no all i got from his post was "because of his tendency towards disruptive trollishness" and this i agree. I really dislike playing with Kenpachi style.

EchelonTee

United States5245 Posts

June 18 2012 19:24 GMT

#578

Tali can write his own posts; it might be prepared, he doesn't need it written for him.

I would shoot either KB or dropbear. Dropbear because I think he's scum and a few people have written opinons on him, KB also scummy and would tell a lot b/c tons of people put stances on him.

I don't really agree with any of your shots; I'm not quite sure if you're even trying to shoot at scum?

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

June 18 2012 19:27 GMT

#579

On June 19 2012 04:22 talismania wrote:

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TT so insulting. Do you want to be shot?

maybe written for you was the wrong word. Tweaked and edited is probably a better phrase.

Its something that I see scum doing usually when confused etc

talismania

United States2364 Posts

June 18 2012 19:27 GMT

#580

Of course I'm trying to shoot scum =/

DropBear is an outside possibility as well. I don't think a KB shot would actually be that informative because almost everyone has put pressure on him. I suppose I can think about that some more.