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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18067 Posts
June 18 2012 20:07 GMT
#601
On June 19 2012 03:27 Drazerk wrote:
Well i'm never going to change my play style any time soon which is the mark of a good meta - one that is 100% the same as both scum and town

Tell that to VE... or bluelightz, for that matter.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 18 2012 20:08 GMT
#602
On June 19 2012 05:07 KharadBanar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:05 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:05 talismania wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:04 Drazerk wrote:
(Had it been multi shot I would of had you shoot me btw)


Go on...


You clearly have never seen me play town... I need to be killed before lylo if town want to win (unless I get mod confirmed or some shit like that)

This doesn't make sense. If town lynch scum instead of you, it doesn't even come to LYLO so it's irrelevant.


I don't want to be lynched I want to be shot there is a difference
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 20:09 GMT
#603
On June 19 2012 05:08 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:07 KharadBanar wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:05 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:05 talismania wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:04 Drazerk wrote:
(Had it been multi shot I would of had you shoot me btw)


Go on...


You clearly have never seen me play town... I need to be killed before lylo if town want to win (unless I get mod confirmed or some shit like that)

This doesn't make sense. If town lynch scum instead of you, it doesn't even come to LYLO so it's irrelevant.


I don't want to be lynched I want to be shot there is a difference


And the difference to you is... ?
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
June 18 2012 20:10 GMT
#604
Alright so I've just read through the thread and I have no idea why people are saying that my play is strange or weird or whatever. I don't know why people are getting away with soft-calling me scum (I'm looking at you, talis) and no one is really posting reasoning

There is Hyaach's analysis on me, which is pretty bad.

On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:
Nisani201.

People find it wierd to ally so fast with a house without any information from it?

Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 05:00 Nisani201 wrote:
On June 17 2012 04:47 talismania wrote:
KharadBanar and Nisani206

Why did you ally with HiroPro?

Because I prefer to make friends, not enemies.


Only people that wants friends are scum/third parties. Towns can credit themselves cred by scum hunting. Scum/third parties are lazy and lack this advantage.

Alright, I agree that I didn't explain myself very well in that post and it looks pretty bad, but I'll try to explain it now.

My main understanding of the "house chezinu" mainly came from Merc Mini 2 where I played with Chezinu, and he was acting very similar to Hiro's play in this game. In that game Chezinu was a bulletproof SK and I figured that it was very likely Hiro had a lot of power. I didn't want to get stuck in some stupid feud with a third party when I could have been scumhunting. Furthermore, I didn't really see any downside to allying with the House... and no one has pointed one out; people have been saying that this kind of affiliation with it is scummy but I don't really see why that is.
On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 07:22 Nisani201 wrote:
I highly doubt that there are any vanilla roles such as "serial killer" in this game.


Why discredit the existence of a 3rd party be it a group or 1 single individual?

This is a crazy game and it has crazy roles... I know that I have a crazy role, not sure about others but my experience with crazy games suggests that most people are going to have crazy roles as well.

Why the hell did you include this in your analysis? Did you run out of posts that you thought were actually scummy? This entire case is forced, and this part of it proves it to me.

On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote:
Some other points to make:

If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have.

I also don't like the case on Maju



Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 07:19 Nisani201 wrote:
I think the source of a lot of confusion surrounding the monarch stuff is because talis/acro aren't making good distinctions between what is fact (established in the role pm) and what is speculation. Could you two be more specific?



Why are you so interested in the King and the specific set up?
Do they have anything to do with your win-con?

Once again more blatant and pointless speculation.

A lot of people are talking about the king. Because 2 people (and probably more) already have information on it it seems like it's a very important mechanic in this game. Information is especially important in a game like this where we have so little information about the setup and anything can happen.

On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 10:09 Nisani201 wrote:
What information is revealed upon death?


With 0 KP last night and KB who is buddy-buddying you is in the spotlight.
Are you afraid his death will reveal existence of your 3rd party set up?

What the hell is this? I ask a question to the host and now you're spinning it and making up bullshit. There are a million reasons why I could have asked this question, and you pull one out of the hat to match the opinion of Hiro and a few others that I am 3P.
Enjoy your day.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 18 2012 20:10 GMT
#605
On June 19 2012 05:09 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:08 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:07 KharadBanar wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:05 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:05 talismania wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:04 Drazerk wrote:
(Had it been multi shot I would of had you shoot me btw)


Go on...


You clearly have never seen me play town... I need to be killed before lylo if town want to win (unless I get mod confirmed or some shit like that)

This doesn't make sense. If town lynch scum instead of you, it doesn't even come to LYLO so it's irrelevant.


I don't want to be lynched I want to be shot there is a difference


And the difference to you is... ?


Lynch creates discussion forces people to take sides etc etc

Shots are done for the luls
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 20:12 GMT
#606
On June 19 2012 05:10 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:09 talismania wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:08 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:07 KharadBanar wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:05 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:05 talismania wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:04 Drazerk wrote:
(Had it been multi shot I would of had you shoot me btw)


Go on...


You clearly have never seen me play town... I need to be killed before lylo if town want to win (unless I get mod confirmed or some shit like that)

This doesn't make sense. If town lynch scum instead of you, it doesn't even come to LYLO so it's irrelevant.


I don't want to be lynched I want to be shot there is a difference


And the difference to you is... ?


Lynch creates discussion forces people to take sides etc etc

Shots are done for the luls


So you would rather die for the lulz than be lynched and have discussion generated about it?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18067 Posts
June 18 2012 20:12 GMT
#607
On June 19 2012 03:33 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 03:22 Acrofales wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:15 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:14 Acrofales wrote:
That you haven't read your role pm is about as true as that you had to sheep my vote in Holy Roman. I really dislike the way you're playing and you are definitely not helping town with it.

##unvote
##vote Drazerk


You keep mentioning holy roman

Read all my games

Realize what meta is going to do for you

Point me to a recent, relevant, game in which you were town. I have read WaW2 and you played very differently. For one, you were verbose and not posting irritating 1-liners.

I have read Aperture, but you weren't town and were killed D1. So yeah, start pointing.

Also, lets assume you're telling the truth and you haven't read your role PM. We know you're not the MA, because a king was chosen. If we assume the MA is town, that makes you by far the best option for a RNG policy lynch, because the odds of you being town are less than for anybody else. Given that you are ensuring that any read on you is about as useful as a RNG policy lynch on you would be, this is an excellent choice for us D1!

Added bonus: we get rid of a confirmed troll, who is clearly not intending to contribute this game.


We lynch people who are scum. Drazerk may be a troll but I agree with most of his reads, and he is clearly reading and giving out his opinions.

Wait. What reads? You mean this:
On June 19 2012 02:16 Drazerk wrote:
Scum

ET DB FF BSC (KB)

Third party

S+B Maju 201 (KB)

Null

Acro Hiro Dec xsksc Hyaach

This is not reads, this is looking through the thread and having a modicum of skill in picking up who looks scummy and who doesn't. This kind of post is a dime a dozen for scum.

Other than that, what reads are you referring to?
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 18 2012 20:13 GMT
#608
On June 19 2012 05:12 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:10 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:09 talismania wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:08 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:07 KharadBanar wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:05 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:05 talismania wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:04 Drazerk wrote:
(Had it been multi shot I would of had you shoot me btw)


Go on...


You clearly have never seen me play town... I need to be killed before lylo if town want to win (unless I get mod confirmed or some shit like that)

This doesn't make sense. If town lynch scum instead of you, it doesn't even come to LYLO so it's irrelevant.


I don't want to be lynched I want to be shot there is a difference


And the difference to you is... ?


Lynch creates discussion forces people to take sides etc etc

Shots are done for the luls


So you would rather die for the lulz than be lynched and have discussion generated about it?


I'd be lynched for being a troll / 1 lines how does that create discussion?
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
June 18 2012 20:13 GMT
#609
Also: I like Acrofales' case on DropBear. I think that the case on Echelon is forced but I am null on him right now.

I still think that xsksc should be lynched. Can people please post their thoughts on him? For reference, here is my case on him.
Enjoy your day.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 20:16 GMT
#610
On June 19 2012 05:10 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright so I've just read through the thread and I have no idea why people are saying that my play is strange or weird or whatever. I don't know why people are getting away with soft-calling me scum (I'm looking at you, talis) and no one is really posting reasoning

There is Hyaach's analysis on me, which is pretty bad.

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:
Nisani201.

People find it wierd to ally so fast with a house without any information from it?

On June 17 2012 05:00 Nisani201 wrote:
On June 17 2012 04:47 talismania wrote:
KharadBanar and Nisani206

Why did you ally with HiroPro?

Because I prefer to make friends, not enemies.


Only people that wants friends are scum/third parties. Towns can credit themselves cred by scum hunting. Scum/third parties are lazy and lack this advantage.

Alright, I agree that I didn't explain myself very well in that post and it looks pretty bad, but I'll try to explain it now.

My main understanding of the "house chezinu" mainly came from Merc Mini 2 where I played with Chezinu, and he was acting very similar to Hiro's play in this game. In that game Chezinu was a bulletproof SK and I figured that it was very likely Hiro had a lot of power. I didn't want to get stuck in some stupid feud with a third party when I could have been scumhunting. Furthermore, I didn't really see any downside to allying with the House... and no one has pointed one out; people have been saying that this kind of affiliation with it is scummy but I don't really see why that is.
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:
On June 17 2012 07:22 Nisani201 wrote:
I highly doubt that there are any vanilla roles such as "serial killer" in this game.


Why discredit the existence of a 3rd party be it a group or 1 single individual?

This is a crazy game and it has crazy roles... I know that I have a crazy role, not sure about others but my experience with crazy games suggests that most people are going to have crazy roles as well.

Why the hell did you include this in your analysis? Did you run out of posts that you thought were actually scummy? This entire case is forced, and this part of it proves it to me.

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:
On June 18 2012 06:43 Nisani201 wrote:
Some other points to make:

If you are the "king" then you should claim that you are, as well as the powers you have.

I also don't like the case on Maju



On June 18 2012 07:19 Nisani201 wrote:
I think the source of a lot of confusion surrounding the monarch stuff is because talis/acro aren't making good distinctions between what is fact (established in the role pm) and what is speculation. Could you two be more specific?



Why are you so interested in the King and the specific set up?
Do they have anything to do with your win-con?

Once again more blatant and pointless speculation.

A lot of people are talking about the king. Because 2 people (and probably more) already have information on it it seems like it's a very important mechanic in this game. Information is especially important in a game like this where we have so little information about the setup and anything can happen.

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 16:23 Hyaach wrote:
On June 17 2012 10:09 Nisani201 wrote:
What information is revealed upon death?


With 0 KP last night and KB who is buddy-buddying you is in the spotlight.
Are you afraid his death will reveal existence of your 3rd party set up?

What the hell is this? I ask a question to the host and now you're spinning it and making up bullshit. There are a million reasons why I could have asked this question, and you pull one out of the hat to match the opinion of Hiro and a few others that I am 3P.


So what's your crazy role?

What is your win condition?

My win condition is elimination of all anti-town forces, but my role isn't that crazy.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18067 Posts
June 18 2012 20:17 GMT
#611
On June 19 2012 03:39 HiroPro wrote:
I made the case on Maju lol. I've read his filter; but he responded okay to me, and I think it's more likely that he's a survivor than scum.

And we played together in MTG. That's not the way you're playing this game.

I have no idea how Maju plays as town, but his defense to you was not decent. It gave a rather thin explanation for why he fired off questions at night, but he failed to do anything useful. Maju is looking scummy to me.
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
June 18 2012 20:18 GMT
#612
Why do you want me to claim?

I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives.
Enjoy your day.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 18 2012 20:20 GMT
#613
On June 19 2012 05:18 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you want me to claim?

I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives.


You tell us now because I don't believe you for a second
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
June 18 2012 20:20 GMT
#614
On June 18 2012 09:58 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 09:57 DropBear wrote:
Can you shoot KB talismania?


I'm not sure if it's worth wasting the shot. Who would you lynch if KB was out of the equation?

This is the only thing that really caught my eye about xsksc. Doesn't want his biggest scumread to be shot?

Overall though, need more info. Don't agree with him being lynched today.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
June 18 2012 20:20 GMT
#615
On June 19 2012 05:20 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:18 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you want me to claim?

I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives.


You tell us now because I don't believe you for a second

How about you shut up because you haven't done anything productive all day.

I have no idea why talis hasn't shot you already.
Enjoy your day.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
June 18 2012 20:21 GMT
#616
On June 19 2012 05:17 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 03:39 HiroPro wrote:
I made the case on Maju lol. I've read his filter; but he responded okay to me, and I think it's more likely that he's a survivor than scum.

And we played together in MTG. That's not the way you're playing this game.

I have no idea how Maju plays as town, but his defense to you was not decent. It gave a rather thin explanation for why he fired off questions at night, but he failed to do anything useful. Maju is looking scummy to me.

hallelujah

sane people have returned

inb4 buddying
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
June 18 2012 20:21 GMT
#617
On June 19 2012 05:20 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:20 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:18 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you want me to claim?

I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives.


You tell us now because I don't believe you for a second

How about you shut up because you haven't done anything productive all game.

I have no idea why talis hasn't shot you already.

EBWOP
Enjoy your day.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
June 18 2012 20:21 GMT
#618
On June 19 2012 05:18 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you want me to claim?

I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives.


It's ok I guess I don't expect you to claim. But what's this extra win extra loss stuff? I don't see how you can extra lose. Can you give us a hint as to your various wincons?
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 18 2012 20:21 GMT
#619
On June 19 2012 05:20 Nisani201 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:20 Drazerk wrote:
On June 19 2012 05:18 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you want me to claim?

I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives.


You tell us now because I don't believe you for a second

How about you shut up because you haven't done anything productive all day.

I have no idea why talis hasn't shot you already.


looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
June 18 2012 20:24 GMT
#620
On June 19 2012 05:21 talismania wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 05:18 Nisani201 wrote:
Why do you want me to claim?

I have a crazy role, not alignment. I do have an opportunity for an "extra win" and an "extra loss," but you guys don't have to worry about those because they are pro-town objectives.


It's ok I guess I don't expect you to claim. But what's this extra win extra loss stuff? I don't see how you can extra lose. Can you give us a hint as to your various wincons?

I can't say much without revealing my role. All you need to know is that it 100% aligns with town objectives.

I'm not really sure how the "extra win" and "extra loss" works either, but I'm guessing that I can sort of get a double-win, or not lose nor win in the same game depending on the combination.
Enjoy your day.
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