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strongandbig
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On June 17 2012 22:47 Drazerk wrote: You're aware the mason circle in aperture was a cult right? However, house chezinu was not a cult. I don't see why you're so worried about this being a cult. Announcing their existence publicly would make no sense whatsoever, IMO. | ||
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On June 17 2012 14:05 EchelonTee wrote: Hey guys. Vanilla Townie here. ET, you said you're not sending your alignment anywhere - is this claim a lie then? | ||
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On June 18 2012 00:21 EchelonTee wrote: Probably, HiroPro is going to continue trolling and not give useful info, or come out and say "oh that was all a fake just to see how people would react". Really though, if there ends up being a super elaborate House Chezinu thing, then unless it literally changes my alignment, I can't think of that many possibilities where it's bad if I "join". Only things that come to mind are maybe somehow control my vote, Drazerk suggested something about "they recruit you to cult but don't change alignment", which I don't get, stuff like that, but this is all just idle speculation lol. Talismania, where are you? I need more sanity plox You think Hiro's been playing games with us? That would be pretty unfortunate. | ||
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On June 18 2012 02:22 FourFace wrote: Ohh we got a voting thread Hope I live to use it. MEDICS SAVEE MEEEE!!! What an odd thing to say. | ||
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On June 18 2012 02:23 Drazerk wrote: Why are we all asking for medic saves? You guys suck lol I would ask for a medic save too if it made them less likely to protect you :p But in all seriousness, fourface what reason do you have to believe you would be the target of a shot? | ||
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On June 18 2012 10:40 xsksc wrote: Umm, no, Nisani. Point 3 in a nutshell is his "live and let live" attitude, considering he knows nothing about their alignment, looks very 3rd party-esque. Being diplomatic is one thing, deciding to not play against or even discuss them on n0 is another matter. That's a pretty good way to put it, IMO. It's not a town attitude. | ||
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However, I also don't see how posting cases and getting more information out in the thread can be a bad thing, so here's my case on Drazerk. On June 17 2012 04:28 Drazerk wrote: From this point on I am now ignoring any post that has anything to do with House Chezinu I advice everyone else does the same so we can play a normal game I see this as an attempt to shut down discussion. More information is good for Town; why in the world would it be a good idea to not talk about something like Chezinu? Note that Drazerk doesn't attempt to re-channel discussion in a way that would help the town. It seems like people are generally in agreement that Hiro's gambit was a good way to generate town discussion on N0. Drazerk was generally the anti-Hiro in this story. On June 17 2012 06:28 Drazerk wrote: I believe there is no scum team more on this idea never That's what the scum team wants us to think. They would like to hide in the fact that there was no scum team in the last bastard game, but there's no reason to believe that there isn't a scum team this game - and it may be dangerous to do so. And then there's like a jillion posts about the whole "cult" thing. There was never any reason to believe that Chezinu is a cult, but Drazerk really strongly clings to this idea. So this all fits into a scum agenda. At first, they want everyone to ignore the chezinu house, because they want to get a member into it and use it to influence people. Then when it becomes the subject of discussion anyway, they move to trying to discredit it by asserting it's scum. Finally, just look at Drazerk's filter. It's four freaking pages of content-less one-line posts. He's not taking anything seriously enough to do anything other than assert his opinion on it. That doesn't smell like town to me. | ||
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On June 18 2012 15:06 Drazerk wrote: S+B how is that a real case? you're using evidence we know now to incriminate past beliefs which seems pretty questionable to me but i'll give you a break as my play style leads to myself being an easy band wagon the same way kenpachi is. Also with Talismania forcing everyone to make a case except himself its bad cases like this that need to be looked at and questioned as I just got a huge third party vibe from S+B who just wants to survive. The only new information we gained is that you are wrong about the cult thing. That's not at all the center point of my case. Trying to shut down discussion is like the main mafia agenda bro. You were trying to get people to stop talking about chezinu before we had any idea whether it was pro town or not. And seriously? You're saying you're like Kenpachi? Drazerk, you're not kenpachi. He gets away with posting trolling and content less one-liners because it's all he ever does and he doesn't give a fuck about the game most of the time. You are capable of being much more helpful than that. Plus, you actually care about the game. What I see from you this game is a pattern of trying to avoid being the subject of scrutiny. "I'm going to die soon" "I'm going on a tunnelling spree against this chezinu thing trololo" "I'm an easy bandwagon because I play like kenpachi" "Ignore Me!!!" If you really are town, then stop trying to play like Kenpachi. Your response to my case makes me think you are even scummier, with the "I'm an easy bandwagon like kenpachi" thing, but at least the post itself was more than one line and contained some actual reasoning. Post more like that, except not scummy. and as for your third party accusation, that also fits into the pattern of slipperiness. Just because in the last game there was a lot of third party, it makes "your case is bad, you must be third party" an easy thing to throw around. The fact that you're trying to switch focus from your alignment to mine does not make you look any better. | ||
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On June 19 2012 02:32 Acrofales wrote: Why do you think S&B is 3P? Why is BioSC scum? Why do you think FF made a case on ET if they are scum together? Early D1 bus? Or are you trying to say either one could be scum and you don't know which? He thinks I'm third party because he doesn't agree with my case against him, as far as I can tell. And also because I went along with Talismania's attempt to get people to post cases? Anyway not for any good reason. Oh and Drazerk, I disagree when you say "town fuck up, scum don't." Scum fuck up. That's why so many TL scum have been uber-lurking lately. If we don't make it uncomfortable for them, then they'll get away with it this time too. Anyway even if they don't fuck up, getting them to talk is the only way we can figure out who is pushing the scum agenda. (hint it's you) | ||
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You could be earning yourself a ban for actively playing against your win condition and you wouldn't even know about it. I really hope you're lying right now. | ||
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On June 19 2012 03:01 Drazerk wrote: I can only be playing as town If I am scum it helps me survive and become more pro town If I am third party it helps me survive and become more pro town What if your role is "keep target player alive" and you lead his lynch? What if you're a lyncher and you defend your target? For someone who keeps saying "we need to consider all the scenarios" you seem to have considered none of the scenarios. | ||
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I think you're lying, because if you're not then you really do deserve a ban. | ||
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Either way, since he's willing to do it publicly and take the consequences, I suggest you go for it. Also Talismania. Why am I on your shooting candidates list? You said earlier that I was a "risky shot", meaning (I think) that you're not sure what your read is on me. As far as I can tell there has not yet been a case presented against me. A few people have posted comments that they "think I'm third party" or that my case against Drazerk looks "forced." Well I'm not, and I genuinely believe that Drazerk's play so far has been anti-town. If people disagree with my case, then fine, but I've pointed out specific posts where Drazerk is attempting to promote a scum agenda and to get out of the spotlight. If you're going to shoot me, I ask that you at least post a case on me or give me some chance to defend myself or show that I'm town. Like, seriously I have no clue right now why I'm on your shooting list. Other than Drazerk, who is basically omgus'ing me because I'm pushing him, I haven't seen anyone say why I'm scum. And let me answer Drazerk's specific point while I'm at it - no, I am not a third party assassin or whatever. I was trying to think of situations where you can play towny, survive until the end of the game, and not win. Plus - you have not answered my point! Those were perfectly valid examples of cases where playing "as normal town" and not reading your role PM would be playing directly counter to your win condition. Last, I continue to insist that the only reason you think I'm third party is because I'm attacking you, but your play this game has shown a blatant disregard for trying to help the town. Honestly, do you not see the fact that you have to get killed before lylo for the town to win as a sign of shitty town play? The first priority for townies should be to establish their own innocence by playing pro-town. Not to troll so much that they can get away with it as scum by having a "consistent meta." | ||
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I think Decon is town, since he was willing to use his power if Talismania had said what he said originally. So either: Talismania is town, Drazerk is not town, or both of those things. Unfortunately, neither of Drazerk and Talismania is really confirmed until the other one dies. | ||
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On June 19 2012 07:12 talismania wrote: Strongandbig you were on there for no other reason than what I posted in my impressions list. I also wanted to see if anyone reacted but no one did (I had to force reactions out of people). You ARE a risky shot because if you're town then I'd be shooting a productive townie. Talk to me a bit about some of the other candidates that have come up for lynch discussion. Who do you think is scummy besides drazerk? Etc. Don't worry I'll publicly say who I'm going to shoot before I do it and give them time to respond. Well, Maju's filter is pretty tiny and mostly filled with Chezinu discussion. I don't necessarily find that too scummy; in a weird setup like this there's a chance that figuring it out can help town. What I do find scummy in his filter is that he posts so much less after the "safe" topic of Chezinu is taken off the table. Also, being worried that town powers are imba is a small scum tell imo - townies wouldn't worry about that because they have no idea what powers scum has, but scum knows what powers they are and is going to compare them to the powers they think town has, and may complain if they think town is OP. Maju did that when Decon claimed his role. Fourface has a shitty troll filter like Drazerk. The difference is, I know Drazerk is smart and can really play this game, which is why I'm hounding him and expecting more from him. Someone already pointed this out, but it does look pretty hypocritical that fourface attacked ET for posting a lot about setup when he did the exact same thing himself. | ||
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On June 19 2012 07:32 Drazerk wrote: You gotta admit I'd be insane to come forward and do that if I had read my role PM and it said scum  Seriously man, all gaming aside - you earned a lot of respect from me for your play in holy roman mafia, but if you really did not read your role PM and proceeded to play most of a cycle of this game, that respect is all gone. To me that's the ultimate statement of "I don't give a fuck about this game, I just like spamming shit and annoying people on the internet." | ||
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On June 19 2012 07:34 deconduo wrote: As I said I'm pretty sure all 3 of us are town, assuming talis actually uses his shot before we all die of old age. There is a good chance all three are town. However - none of you are 100% confirmed, which you could be. I was just thinking about this again. Look at it using logic. If one of the statements is false, then knowing that the overall statement is false, gives us literally no information about the other two statements. Based on the way you all acted around the time of the statement, I think you are town. However, either Talismania or Drazerk could be scum. Look at their actions: - Drazerk was being a troll and a moron, and hadn't read his PM apparently. Therefore, his actions give us no information about his alignment. - Talismania wouldn't just post the thing you wanted him to, even though it was painfully obvious what was going on. Other than that, I think Talismania is probably town, but he or Drazerk could still be scum. | ||
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On June 19 2012 07:41 deconduo wrote: If you think we learned nothing you really need to learn how to play mafia. We learned something decon, but that was not the best way to use that power. | ||
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