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On June 27 2012 16:13 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 14:44 xsksc wrote:
My check last night was RBed - that goes without saying though.
##vote Hyaach
deconduo, don't be an asshole.
Vote me if you think I'm more likely to flip scum, don't do it to be fucking awkward. Its both. If you flip scum and the game ends its great. If you flip scum and the game doesn't end then we lynch acro. If you flip town we lynch hyaach. Lynching hyaach first is the most dangerous thing to do because there's a chance acro is a traitor, given how he saved you from being lynched yesterday and tried to divert the lynch again today. And now he's pushing for hyaach to be lynched first which is ridiculous as well.
Let me nip this in the bud. How does your mind work. If xsksc is town then I am scum for pushing a lynch OFF him and onto a claimed 3rd party. Wait WHAT? Lets rewind that:
xsksc is town
Acro pushes the lynch from a townie to a 3rd party
Acro must be scum
This is the most upside down, inside out, back to front reasoning in this thread so far. However, that's okay, because scum is allowed to do that (and then they get lynched for it). Here is you earlier:
On June 23 2012 07:12 deconduo wrote:
Acrofales isn't confirmed town by any means, and is confirmed to have KP. Just because he claimed his role early doesn't make him town.
Enter Talismania, who was the only one I trusted to make sense in this thread (Hiro makes sense, but is 3rd party. Drazerk is town, but doesn't make sense), who told you to read my filter. Instant 180º flip!
On June 23 2012 07:19 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 07:16 talismania wrote:
hyaach claimed town roleblocker, not 3P
acrofales is too much of a stretch. He asked me to shoot maju and dropbear. And he's been incredibly protown. And everything Oh I just assumed a Tyrion Lannister claim would be neutral, not town. Oh and you are right about acro, went through his filter, he isn't scum. Point still stands about xcvxc, lynch him first, not hyaach
What has happened since then is that I have pushed a lynch on 3rd party for rather valid reasons. I was doubting the xsksc/Hyaach lynch (and still am, but recognize that at least one of them has to die before lylo) and started thinking about the lynch and alternatives to it. If I had thought things through about your claim earlier, I would probably have gone straight to you, but as it was, I figured we had two more lynches left before mylo. If we lynched a 3rd party, it would be lylo instead of mylo, but other than that nothing would change. The rest is explained multiple times in the thread.
However, lets go back to you. You want to lynch xsksc, because lynching a roleblocker is dangerous (despite the fact that it is doubtful that a roleblocker can stop KP: that only works if the scum is vanilla). I would argue that it's the other way round: you're scum and NOT lynching a DT is dangerous, especially if Hyaach is in fact a miller (information scum has, because they know xsksc and Hyaach are both town). Lynching Hyaach tells us for 100% sure whether xsksc was lying and is therefore scum. Lynching xsksc and him flipping town means Hyaach could still be a miller rather than scum, forcing a Hyaach lynch tomorrow and allowing scum-deconduo to get away scot free.
However, lynching Hyaach puts actual scum in a difficult spot. You are forced to kill the DT, because Hyaach flipping miller will make his claim believable (scum could not know he was a miller, just that he was town. It would be an extremely lucky lie and Ockham's razor rules it out). However, you don't want to kill xsksc the DT, because he is who you want to hedge your lylo against: having to lylo with Drazerk and me means you're dead.
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Big CAVEAT for my above bit on deconduo: I am deliberately zoning in on the situation where Hyaach flips miller. If he flips pure town, we lynch xsksc and my case against deconduo can be discarded. If he flips scum, then either the game is over, or we rethink everything (particularly Hiro/SnB). If he flips framed then we are almost certainly dead: there is a second scumteam with the capability to frame someone (it's not maju's scumteam: they could only frame one person and that person is ET).
So the only situation where we have a truly difficult lylo is if Hyaach flips miller. The rest are layed out for us and that's why I focus on this situation when talking about deconduo.
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On June 27 2012 16:28 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 08:13 Drazerk wrote:
Xsksc seems scummier but its generally easier to look townie as scum so I'd rather lynch Hyaach who has the red check on him Okay, I missed the reasoning in this last night. How does this even work. It is easier to look townie as scum than as town?
Look at your own filter then look at mine the people you are arguably calling most likely to be town both are complete death traps (mainly mine but yours also sucks). Then look at my filter from holy roman and the skype logs (Totally directed at hassy) my play was arguable much much better ( All though this has to do with the fact I am a good scum player and a god awful town / third party player )
Townies make mistakes and generally aren't useful... scum have all game to make their gambit get into an awesome position and never leave it.
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On June 27 2012 18:46 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 16:28 Acrofales wrote:On June 27 2012 08:13 Drazerk wrote:
Xsksc seems scummier but its generally easier to look townie as scum so I'd rather lynch Hyaach who has the red check on him Okay, I missed the reasoning in this last night. How does this even work. It is easier to look townie as scum than as town? Look at your own filter then look at mine the people you are arguably calling most likely to be town both are complete death traps (mainly mine but yours also sucks). Then look at my filter from holy roman and the skype logs (Totally directed at hassy) my play was arguable much much better ( All though this has to do with the fact I am a good scum player and a god awful town / third party player ) Townies make mistakes and generally aren't useful... scum have all game to make their gambit get into an awesome position and never leave it.
By this logic we should've lynched into Tali and HiroPro on D1... but lets save this discussion for post-game. We lynch Hyaach today!
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Now to be fair I wanted to lynch Hiro night 0 
And yeah Hyaach isn't escaping I just don't believe a good scum should ever make a mistake
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Meh lynch me for the difficult position rather than winning straight then. Last i check, if i rb a scum with power, i block their power instead of their KP
On June 22 2012 05:25 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 01:39 Acrofales wrote:
Hypothetical situation: if there is a roleblocker, can scum KP be roleblocked? Only if said scum does not have/does not use another action that night. In essence, a roleblocker stops One ability, where "Role" ability takes priority over "Faction" ability.
and last time i got into tin hat mode. i got my ass bitten so hard and if those scenarios do happen, we've pretty much lost anyway. (TL LV mafia)
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@Hyaach: I don't understand what you're saying.
@Drazerk: don't forget to vote.
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It's a 24 hour day right?
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lol thanks for the reminder
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You are using my lynch to gain information based on a WIFOM situation.
And for me to RB faction KP, xsksc has to be goon. What's the possibility of that?
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Well it 50% exists as a possibility and he would also have to be another framer for it to work like you think it would
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On June 27 2012 20:01 Hyaach wrote:
You are using my lynch to gain information based on a WIFOM situation.
And for me to RB faction KP, xsksc has to be goon. What's the possibility of that?
Reasons I want to lynch you:
1. You have looked scummy ever since the lynch was between you and xsksc. Ironically, you looked less scummy before the pressure was on. However, you lurked like mad. Then when I called both of you for your opinion on each other there was some interesting stuff. It was obviously all alot of omgus, but I found xsksc's arguments townier than yours. Combine the two and you are now slightly scummier.
2. Lynching you gives us more information about the alignment of xsksc than lynching xsksc gives of your alignment. If we're going to be stuck in lylo with one of you I'd rather it's him.
However, I suspect you of being both town now. Nevertheless, if we lynch someone else and he flips town, then we're stuck with both of you at lylo. That is a terrible spot to be in, so one of you has to die. You know this, xsksc knows this and everybody else in this game knows this. Given argument (2), you should be quite happy to die as town, as you being alive at lylo would be bad, whereas if you flip pure town we know we can lynch xsksc tomorrow and win.
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Deconduo, I still want to hear from you:
On June 27 2012 16:13 deconduo wrote:
Lynching hyaach first is the most dangerous thing to do because there's a chance acro is a traitor
What does the former have to do with the latter? You think a roleblocker is more use than a DT?
Also, (I repeat from above):
lynching Hyaach gives us more information about the alignment of xsksc than lynching xsksc gives of Hyaach's alignment. If we're going to be stuck in lylo with one of them I'd rather it's xsksc.
So once again, how is lynching Hyaach more dangerous than lynching xsksc?
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On June 26 2012 06:00 Zephirdd wrote:
If you want the following day cycles to last only 24 hours, PM me.
A majority(5+) will make it 24 hours.
Zephirdd, is this happening?
I don't see any reason to prolong the day if you guys are certain about lynching Hyaach.
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Unless you want to talk more with deconduo, acro.
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On June 28 2012 01:23 xsksc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2012 06:00 Zephirdd wrote:
If you want the following day cycles to last only 24 hours, PM me.
A majority(5+) will make it 24 hours.
Zephirdd, is this happening? I don't see any reason to prolong the day if you guys are certain about lynching Hyaach.
Yes, deadline is in 1:27hr. It was confirmed on the day post.
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On June 28 2012 01:34 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2012 01:23 xsksc wrote:On June 26 2012 06:00 Zephirdd wrote:
If you want the following day cycles to last only 24 hours, PM me.
A majority(5+) will make it 24 hours.
Zephirdd, is this happening? I don't see any reason to prolong the day if you guys are certain about lynching Hyaach. Yes, deadline is in 1:27hr. It was confirmed on the day post.
Oh, I missed that bit, my bad!
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On June 28 2012 00:35 Acrofales wrote:Deconduo, I still want to hear from you: Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 16:13 deconduo wrote:
Lynching hyaach first is the most dangerous thing to do because there's a chance acro is a traitor
What does the former have to do with the latter? You think a roleblocker is more use than a DT? Also, (I repeat from above): lynching Hyaach gives us more information about the alignment of xsksc than lynching xsksc gives of Hyaach's alignment. If we're going to be stuck in lylo with one of them I'd rather it's xsksc. So once again, how is lynching Hyaach more dangerous than lynching xsksc?
Nope, you obviously didn't read my post properly. If hyaach is scum its fine, no one has defended him really. However you defended xskcs for a completely bullshit reason. Given how willing xkssc was to be lynched first, if he's scum the only way he'd play that was is if he knew someone was there to help him out. And funnily enough in comes acro to save him by diverting the lynch onto ghost. So if xskcs flips scum and the game doesn't end, you die next. If xscks flips town then we lynch hyaach.
That's why lynching xkscs first is important.
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On June 27 2012 17:58 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2012 16:13 deconduo wrote:On June 27 2012 14:44 xsksc wrote:
My check last night was RBed - that goes without saying though.
##vote Hyaach
deconduo, don't be an asshole.
Vote me if you think I'm more likely to flip scum, don't do it to be fucking awkward. Its both. If you flip scum and the game ends its great. If you flip scum and the game doesn't end then we lynch acro. If you flip town we lynch hyaach. Lynching hyaach first is the most dangerous thing to do because there's a chance acro is a traitor, given how he saved you from being lynched yesterday and tried to divert the lynch again today. And now he's pushing for hyaach to be lynched first which is ridiculous as well. Let me nip this in the bud. How does your mind work. If xsksc is town then I am scum for pushing a lynch OFF him and onto a claimed 3rd party. Wait WHAT? Lets rewind that:
xsksc is town
Acro pushes the lynch from a townie to a 3rd party
Acro must be scum
This is the most upside down, inside out, back to front reasoning in this thread so far. However, that's okay, because scum is allowed to do that (and then they get lynched for it). Here is you earlier: Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 07:12 deconduo wrote:
Acrofales isn't confirmed town by any means, and is confirmed to have KP. Just because he claimed his role early doesn't make him town. Enter Talismania, who was the only one I trusted to make sense in this thread (Hiro makes sense, but is 3rd party. Drazerk is town, but doesn't make sense), who told you to read my filter. Instant 180º flip! Show nested quote +On June 23 2012 07:19 deconduo wrote:On June 23 2012 07:16 talismania wrote:
hyaach claimed town roleblocker, not 3P
acrofales is too much of a stretch. He asked me to shoot maju and dropbear. And he's been incredibly protown. And everything Oh I just assumed a Tyrion Lannister claim would be neutral, not town. Oh and you are right about acro, went through his filter, he isn't scum. Point still stands about xcvxc, lynch him first, not hyaach What has happened since then is that I have pushed a lynch on 3rd party for rather valid reasons. I was doubting the xsksc/Hyaach lynch (and still am, but recognize that at least one of them has to die before lylo) and started thinking about the lynch and alternatives to it. If I had thought things through about your claim earlier, I would probably have gone straight to you, but as it was, I figured we had two more lynches left before mylo. If we lynched a 3rd party, it would be lylo instead of mylo, but other than that nothing would change. The rest is explained multiple times in the thread. However, lets go back to you. You want to lynch xsksc, because lynching a roleblocker is dangerous (despite the fact that it is doubtful that a roleblocker can stop KP: that only works if the scum is vanilla). I would argue that it's the other way round: you're scum and NOT lynching a DT is dangerous, especially if Hyaach is in fact a miller (information scum has, because they know xsksc and Hyaach are both town). Lynching Hyaach tells us for 100% sure whether xsksc was lying and is therefore scum. Lynching xsksc and him flipping town means Hyaach could still be a miller rather than scum, forcing a Hyaach lynch tomorrow and allowing scum-deconduo to get away scot free. However, lynching Hyaach puts actual scum in a difficult spot. You are forced to kill the DT, because Hyaach flipping miller will make his claim believable (scum could not know he was a miller, just that he was town. It would be an extremely lucky lie and Ockham's razor rules it out). However, you don't want to kill xsksc the DT, because he is who you want to hedge your lylo against: having to lylo with Drazerk and me means you're dead.
Not gonna even respond to this. Go read my post properly before posting nonsense like this.
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