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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 01 2012 21:57 GMT
#9
A non invite game? What madness is this!

\in

I will not be modkilled.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 01 2012 21:58 GMT
#10
Also, thanks to VE for doing that, because I would have missed it otherwise

Don't worry, I went back and read the OP.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 05 2012 13:31 GMT
#104
I buy VE's claim. His play doesn't make that much sense from a scum perspective. By claiming miller so early, you put yourself under a lot of scrutiny, and for what? So that the eventual DT check, which might not even be here (can someone point me to the role counts?) is void? Too much pressure for too little reward at this stage in the game. Of course, I've misread VE in something like 110% of the games I've played with him.

Furerkips posting has been remarkably anti-town up to this point. I still haven't decided what to make of that quite yet. Shraft points out that this could just be him acclimating to TLMafia environment, so I'll give him a bit more time before I start pushing for his lynch.

I appreciate VE pressuring Katina to chime in, but I think we all know that she will contribute on her own schedule. I'm not going to lynch her for that. I'm want to hear her thoughts on Furerkip.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 05 2012 14:11 GMT
#106
@artanis: That's just not true; VE always dies in the first 72 hours of the game. No way he'll get checked.

As far as Furer, there was a post or two of his that looked scummy rather than newbie town. I'll go back and find them in a bit.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 05 2012 20:42 GMT
#127
@artanis and MrZentor: Sorry, it seems my \sarc tags are broken.

The fact that VE dies promptly in most games was a sarcastic remark based around the fact that in the games I've played against him, he tends to die rather quickly. Aperture Mafia springs to mind.

@MrZentor: Another sarcastic remark on my part. I do believe VE's claim to be a miller, and my comment stating I was most likely wrong was not meant to be taken so seriously.

Also, I'm still trying to figure out the logical leap from "ghost thinks someone might be scum" to "ghost must be scum, and should hence be lynched".

@VE: I seem to have been absent because I've been absent. Work/life keeps me busy. Also, I don't see how I was "content to discuss it ad nauseum". I said I believed it, explained why, and left it at that.

Okay, now to actually do something in this game.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 05 2012 21:00 GMT
#129
I agree with Katina, blzinghand's play is off. I'm way too lazy to dig through all of his previous games, but I'm a cop you idiot mafia immediately springs to mind as a game where he played scum.

Blazinghand's opening post from that game:
On April 14 2012 08:46 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 08:13 Bluelightz wrote:
On April 14 2012 07:17 Tunkeg wrote:
So this have been churning in my mind all day:

COP CLAIM.

Now that we have doc protection on night 0, cop should claim and doc should heal him. Why do I think this is a great idea:

Pros:
1. We get a confirmed town or a counterclaim.

1. a. We got a confirmed town, which makes it easier for us to scumhunt.
1. b. We get a 1 for 1 trade with scum. Which isn't as great is pretty great considering there are only 2 scums in this game.

2. Scum will be shooting in to the 4 townies leftover (Doc must protect cop after claim obviously). They will then have a 1/4=25% chance to hit one of our important blue players, instead of a 2/5=40% chance of hitting one of our blue players.

3. As long as cop is alive we get a new confirmed town for every day or a scum. Cop should post his checks as vanilla town=town. Scum= scum. Doc= Checked doc will not reveal. On day one this narrows the field to either 2 confirmed town and 4 remaining players giving us a 50% chance to lynch scum (which should increase by reasoning). Or it gives us the first scum to lynch.

Cons.

1. Scum knows our Cop (obv).

2. Scum can lynch into any other town at night, securing guaranteed kill knowing doc is on cop. This also include picking of the ones Cop reveals as confirmed townies the night after they are reveales.

3. If Doc is killed or lynched we lose our Cop, and we will be in some real trouble.


So guys any thoughts on this? I am for a Cop claim.


Tunkeg, its insta-lylo tommorow if mafia get an NK.


That doesn't make his idea wrong though. Look, here's what's gonna happen D1: we'll be at lylo. Our cop needs to claim NOW, and get medic protection, and NOT call who he is checking.

Scenario A (cop does not claim): We enter D1 and the mafia has possibly shot the cop. The cop can claim at this point and we have 2 confirmed town, or 1 confirmed town and 1 confirmed scum. If the cop got shot, though, we're flying blind.
Scenario B (cop DOES claim): We enter D2 and the mafia cannot have shot the cop, because the medic protected him overnight. THE COP CANNOT HAVE BEEN SHOT, meaning we have 2 confirmed town, or 1 confirmed town and 1 confirmed scum.

I think that even though it's gonna be LYLO tomorrow, the cop should claim, and the medic should just protect him.


Two important things to notice:
  • It's all game mechanics.
  • He doesn't call anyone scum.

This is directly opposed to his first post in TLM LI, where he gets right down to analyzing the scummier players in that game, and ignores game mechanics entirely.

Compare these two posts to what he opened with in this game:

On June 05 2012 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Ah where would we be without a hilarious/bad VE claim?

On a more serious note, given that he's either lying scum OR actually a miller, there's no reason for a DT to check him-- whether he's lying or telling the truth the result is the same.


Personally, I think it's more like the first than the second.

By the way, he rolled scum for the first post and vig for the second.

His lack of pictures and posts could easily be attributed to him simply being busy, but I think that the time he spends discussing mechanics instead of play points to him rolling scum this game.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 05 2012 21:02 GMT
#130
Almost forgot,

##Vote Blazinghand

at least until he starts playing like the townie blazinghand.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 05 2012 21:03 GMT
#131
Will voters who vote in the improper format be notified in thread?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 05 2012 21:07 GMT
#133
T_T

wbg doesn't love us.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 06 2012 01:20 GMT
#165
I'm willing to give blazinghand that he's calmed down after some of his more recent games, but I don't think that's what brought out his change in playstyle. The way I see it, one of the hallmarks of his style is not abuse, but aggression. I'm not comfortable with how, early on, he didn't really accuse anyone of anything, instead squandering his posts on game mechanics instead of scum hunting.

That being said, I do like his recent aggression towards MrZentor, who I think is scummy. At the moment, I'd be happier lynching MrZentor today over blazinghand. His posting is empty.

Can someone point me to the case against navillus? Art said that Shraft posted it, but I can't find it.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 06 2012 12:59 GMT
#236
I'll catch up on the thread in a bit, but I still have no idea why people think Navillus is scum. If no one can point me to a case, I'll have to work it out myself, and I don't want to do that because I'm really lazy.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 06 2012 12:59 GMT
#237
[\sarc]
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 06 2012 13:30 GMT
#243
@shraft: Many thanks. Dunno how I miseed that.

Catching up on the thread.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 06 2012 13:40 GMT
#244
The post that I had originally thought was most scummy from Furer was this one. I don't like the fact that he says he's going to back off on VE since no one is jumping on his bandwagon. However, upon further reflection, I think he did exactly what I would have done in the situation: state that he still thought VE was scummy and move on to doing something else. I don't think that he's nearly as scummy after giving it further thought.

This post still bothers me a little:
On June 05 2012 07:38 furerkip wrote:
If you are wondering where I got 4 from, it's from the maximum amount of mafia as you can see on the 1st page.

I've checked the first page, and it doesn't say how many scum are in the game. It could be an extrapolation, or it could be a scumslip. If he does flip scum, I would assume that there are either four scum total, or, more likely, three scum and a serial killer.

I still don't like his stances on mislynches outside of LYLO, but that could be easily attributed to him learning to play outside of TL.

tl;dr: I was wrong, and my read on him has gone from scum to null.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 06 2012 13:42 GMT
#245
Let it be noted that I don't like how he's disappeared from the thread for the last 24 hours, but that's no reason to lynch him. I'll decide what to make of that if/when he comes back.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 06 2012 13:58 GMT
#252
@MrZ: You asked why I thought your posting was empty. Please see attached.

@everyone who's not MrZ: This is why I think his posting is empty.

Since he made the post complaining about how I make vague statements without backing them up, MrZ has made 5 (technically six) posts.

+ Show Spoiler [I agree with Blazinghand] +
On June 06 2012 11:21 MrZentor wrote:
I was starting to wonder if anybody had noticed the "as blue we" line or if everybody was afraid of pointing it out.

BH, remember this?

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote:
There is too much talk on VE and Furer. To start out, claiming miller was indeed a good move if town. It gives information to us and suggests that as blues we not check him, allowing us to use our powers on other people.

VE is almost certainly town. There's a small chance he's a badass serial killer, but for him to have claimed(vulnerable to counterclaims) requires an element of risk which I do not think the SK would use. There is almost certainily not 2 millers in this setup, as having two "false" townies, as well as all the other Alignment-Confusing roles would just decimate the cop's role.

Since the risk of being counterclaimed would be so damning, I do not think that VE would have claimed miller if he was mafia/SK. Especially so soon as the day started.

Furer is just playing poorly, but his play does not reek of scum. He voted rashly against VE, the very first(and only) vote so far. I do not think mafia would risk bringing so much attention to themselves. He's not only single handedly try to lynch VE, but he's done it with a reckless aura that excludes mafia.

I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful.

I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence.




+ Show Spoiler [I agree with Pandain] +
On June 06 2012 11:47 MrZentor wrote:
We shouldn't lynch BH.

We should lynch either Ghost or Navillus and have Pandain shoot the other.



+ Show Spoiler [I agree with VE... OR NOT WHATEVER] +
On June 06 2012 12:11 MrZentor wrote:
I do agree that the "accidental claim" looks a bit forced.

It could be that he claimed later as a vanilla town to act as a target.

I'm starting to think it's more likely that he's scum though, as why would he lie about accidentally claiming instead of saying that he was breadcrumbing if he were vanilla town?



+ Show Spoiler [nothing] +
On June 06 2012 12:21 MrZentor wrote:
Oooooo, I like his style.

It reminds me of something, but what?



+ Show Spoiler [Both of the things VE said could be true] +
On June 06 2012 12:58 MrZentor wrote:
VE, the problem with that is then there is only one kill, the mafia's.

Wouldn't people get suspicious if there is only one death when the vigilante claims to have shot somebody?



In my opinion, MrZ is trying to pass off as useful without actually being useful, which makes me believe that he's scum.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 06 2012 14:10 GMT
#253
Alright, I have to go back to work, which is too bad, because I'd like to spend some more time investigating this Pandain business. I don't believe that he's the vig, but his actions are so stupid that he just might be a lying town. I need more time to think about this.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 06 2012 18:02 GMT
#257
A) I think MrZentor is scum. Instead of contributing to the conversation, he merely mimics what other people say in the thread. In response to me calling him out on not posting content, he replies by quoting himself a bunch and not posting content. And now, he's voting for Pandain. Why? Who knows. He never really made it clear in thread.

I'm going to vote to lynch scum, and that's why I
##unvote Blazinghand
##vote MrZentor

B) I don't like how this Pandain lynch is going along. I don't believe his claim, but I'm not convinced he's scum. He could simply be an idiot townie trying to draw mafia shots toward himself for whatever reason. I'm not comfortable lynching him today.

C) Complete and udder chaos has, once again, erupted in my life, at least for the next 18 hours. I'm not going to be back before the lynch. brb.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 07 2012 13:27 GMT
#332
On June 06 2012 11:21 MrZentor wrote:
I was starting to wonder if anybody had noticed the "as blue we" line or if everybody was afraid of pointing it out.

BH, remember this?

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote:
There is too much talk on VE and Furer. To start out, claiming miller was indeed a good move if town. It gives information to us and suggests that as blues we not check him, allowing us to use our powers on other people.

VE is almost certainly town. There's a small chance he's a badass serial killer, but for him to have claimed(vulnerable to counterclaims) requires an element of risk which I do not think the SK would use. There is almost certainily not 2 millers in this setup, as having two "false" townies, as well as all the other Alignment-Confusing roles would just decimate the cop's role.

Since the risk of being counterclaimed would be so damning, I do not think that VE would have claimed miller if he was mafia/SK. Especially so soon as the day started.

Furer is just playing poorly, but his play does not reek of scum. He voted rashly against VE, the very first(and only) vote so far. I do not think mafia would risk bringing so much attention to themselves. He's not only single handedly try to lynch VE, but he's done it with a reckless aura that excludes mafia.

I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful.

I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence.




On June 06 2012 12:11 MrZentor wrote:
I do agree that the "accidental claim" looks a bit forced.

It could be that he claimed later as a vanilla town to act as a target.

I'm starting to think it's more likely that he's scum though, as why would he lie about accidentally claiming instead of saying that he was breadcrumbing if he were vanilla town?



On June 07 2012 07:14 MrZentor wrote:
Why would you blue claim when you're an ordinary townsperson?

They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 07 2012 18:50 GMT
#345
@VE: So, you think that blazinghand is playing pro-town or anti-town this game?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
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