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it takes huge balls on claim this early, be it fake/real and its not a fool proof plan imo mafia or town. Besides, from his claim, i would put all his analysis on a magnifying glass to be dismembered and examined piece by piece. | ||
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On June 05 2012 12:08 zelblade wrote: Why would it take "huge balls" to claim if he is town? Why would you let him live for only "a day"? Why would you put his analysis specifically to be dismembered and examined just because his is immune to checks? Does this mean you think this claim is suspicious? Because claiming miller is no way a checkable role and if his town, he has painted a target on his head, and if his scum, he has no town cred still because his analysis needs to be look thoroughly like i've stated. Its somewhat like mayor. You get a good campaign, but no one really trust you until you prove your worth and that's roughly on day 2 after 1 day of discussion and some night action where we can do basic reads on people. | ||
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I think you are reading too much into my grammar. nitpicking at little things. if you actually read my previous explanation and exercise the same nitpick you did in that post you would realize I did explain to you | ||
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if his scum, mafia would not push for his lynch. if his not scum. he would be a true grey for mafia as well. Do we push to lynch him, do we keep him, do we shoot him? I'm inclined to believe VE is a vet but given TL mafia LV. lol | ||
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He could very likely be a SK as well but either way his scum. | ||
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##vote: pandain | ||
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So I cannot not vote because I was not around when the case was pushed? I actually thought him to be a serial killer rather than most who thinks his mafia. The flip do matters i tell you. You are saying like you know his scum/town before lynch. Time of vote matter but I agree its not applicable in my case because I was just not around when the case was pushed through. | ||
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Mainly because claiming vig on day one is the safest blue. I believe Pandain was playing with the fact that townies are rather reluctant to lynch blues but burnt his finger doing so. | ||
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Nor how KP is decided. So how did Furekip came to the conclusion of 4 ? | ||
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Btw i said i will give read i ard 5 hour. Why so eagar to drive attention away from the thread? U could always do it when i didnt fullfill my claim | ||
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On June 07 2012 03:36 Snarfs wrote: snip Specifically, I believe Hyaach is scum: This looks very much like scum trying to justify a reason for hopping on a bus. Pandain wasn't "fishing" for information when he asked masons to claim, he was straight up asking masons to claim. Also, saying he could very likely be an SK as well seems to be searching for an excuse for Pandain not to be scum. Hyaach seems to know whether Pandain is scum or town and is making up reasons to either bandwagon or bus him. His voting seems very forced and I can only justify it from a scum perspective. ##Vote Hyaach Now, that being said, I believe that no lynches more often than not favour scum and I know it's late to bring up a new target, so if noone else sees what I do here, I'd be willing to switch to an alternative to ensure we get information from our day 1 lynch. I'm gonna straight up answer you cases about me since i find that you are tunnelling me for remaining neutral on day one. Read my meta, i'm always neutral on day one. I have the same post ratio to zelblade and furp but you are willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but not me. No one knew if mason was in the game. Not then not now too. So Pandain directly asking them to claim is indeed fishing for mason. He wants to know if there is or isnt and not putting that as subtle as possible is the best way to not draw attention as scum | ||
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2 reason. I've been read as scum and was thought I would be doing the kill last night. Are you for real? Mafia RBed me to frame me which means people who were FoS-ing me are highly suspicious. On June 06 2012 11:23 Blazinghand wrote: Alright, if we believe Pandain's claim, then why don't we follow up with my course of action: We lynch MrZ (or maybe Navi if he seems scummier). If MrZ flips town, sure, shoot me. But I think he's gonna flip scum. Just this line in case people really thought of giving BH the credit of pushing the fake vig claim by Pandain. On June 06 2012 11:55 Blazinghand wrote: "MrZ and Navi are suspicious. MrZ because of the way he posts" "MrZ hasn't posted enough for me to care about" ???? contradiction? Then this line directly contradicts himself again. Seems like his using everything Pandain said to make an easy case where Pandain looks scummy to lynch him off. On June 07 2012 07:55 Blazinghand wrote: I appreciate that you're trying to be helpful, but don't give me the benefit of the doubt. I mean, I personally like it when people agree with me, but giving people the benefit of the doubt is dangerous. Don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt-- don't ever impair your scumhunting. If you feel there's something wrong with someone's play, either make note of it and address your read accordingly or air it with the town- we'll be better off for it. This post is actually nothing but restating that fact. Never blindly trust everyone but wait, what's the message underneath it, it makes towns want to trust him because of the fact that his is "transparent" with his play. Look through his cases. it is on the easiest targets. the lurkers or people who most people agree are suspicious. that's not very telling of his alignment. I finds his day one post not deserving of a JK from town. Can anyone find any reason his a better RB target then others? Speaking of game mechanic and night action. Zelblade came back and ask another string of question about the night actions. Making himself seem useful but not contributing at the same time. | ||
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His was the most useless out of lurkers and on the way to modkill. | ||
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1)It would be a JK on you and RB on me and 1 more RB because I know I cannot kill at night and mafia did not kill anyone. 2)RB on you and RB on me and 1 more JK on another target whom is the mafia. 3)JK on fur as you suggest and RB on me but i highly doubt it. or any other scenerio people can come up with. | ||
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On June 08 2012 19:29 Shraft wrote: Hyaach's posting is really messy and, it seems, a bit confused. There's not really much to analyze. Only thing that stuck out to me when I read his filter was this: which seems like an easy thing to say to appear pro town without having to do much. (He is not promising analysis, just saying that he will examine VE's posts, which means that he doesn't have to make any follow-up on this statement.) Either way, he has promised analysis and I'm waiting eagerly. furerkip seems like a bad Epicmafia townie to me. He plays exactly like the townies over there, speaking about "having mislynches", calling VT's "blues", saying that scumslips = scummy play, and speaking about "three way lynches" (a situation much more common in Epicmafia games than in forum mafia). He could maybe be Mafia, but I think that his aggressive posting is quite out of place for a first time (forum) Mafia player. no i just meant i would take what VE said with a grain of salt till i see a major town read and what i'm getting so far is none. | ||
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##Vote Blazinghand no i do not believe you got JK. I think you got RBed and fail your shot as mafia and trying to pass it off as a vig shot. | ||
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On June 08 2012 19:59 zelblade wrote: Since snarfs asked here are my thoughts on ghost. I dont think that ghost is scum for now. He has been making (what I feel are valid) accusations against both furekip and zentor. I am somewhat certain furekip is scum from the no. of mafia thing, and whilst it is possible, dont think that ghost would push furekip that early and dump some suspision on him when most of the thread felt he was probably town. Of course this read is a little weak due to furekip's alignment being in question in itself but I am quite certain that furekip will flip scum. Regarding hyaach I found his first post coming off as a little off, which is primilarly why I questioned it. Might have been due to the fact the post was somewhat unclear, but I did find him saying that claiming miller (optimal move imo) took "balls" a littler wierd. Its wierd that he tries to push attention onto me + furekip when snarfs calls him out of lurking. I also highly doubt scum would RB him and its actually more likely that hyaach got JK'd. You post about me ask relatively safe questions without committing to a stance. You post with BH talks about night kill actions without contributing a read. I have address snarf's suspicion of me and at the same thing ask him why tunnel me over the likes of you. In all your replies to me JK RB argument with BH. you have not once thought of me as town. Not even the slightest scenario that I could turn out town not pro-town at all. Why? because you know I am not scum and want to use this mess to lynch me off? | ||
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##UNVOTE ##VOTE : Zelblade Not very pro-town in your analysis. Why so negative? | ||
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On June 08 2012 13:37 Hyaach wrote: Ive only skimp the first post and these last post. Its mainly about rb and claim. If it meant anything i would like to point iut i was rbed too. Btw i said i will give read i ard 5 hour. Why so eagar to drive attention away from the thread? U could always do it when i didnt fullfill my claim But no one gave a read on as to why so I had to point it out again. | ||
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BH's claim now is sketchy at best. Zelblade is red. | ||
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On June 08 2012 19:08 Hyaach wrote: If anyone read, I got RB last night. 2 reason. I've been read as scum and was thought I would be doing the kill last night. Are you for real? Mafia RBed me to frame me which means people who were FoS-ing me are highly suspicious. [b][big] Just this line in case people really thought of giving BH the credit of pushing the fake vig claim by Pandain. Then this line directly contradicts himself again. Seems like his using everything Pandain said to make an easy case where Pandain looks scummy to lynch him off. This post is actually nothing but restating that fact. Never blindly trust everyone but wait, what's the message underneath it, it makes towns want to trust him because of the fact that his is "transparent" with his play. Look through his cases. it is on the easiest targets. the lurkers or people who most people agree are suspicious. that's not very telling of his alignment. I finds his day one post not deserving of a JK from town. Can anyone find any reason his a better RB target then others? Speaking of game mechanic and night action. Zelblade came back and ask another string of question about the night actions. Making himself seem useful but not contributing at the same time. What do you Nav or Shraft or Snarf think happen inbetween the first post and 2nd post by BH? | ||
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BTW if you read again. BH phrased Pandain words to look like they contradict. First Pandain said, he find how MrZ phrase his words as relatively safe, remaining as a nulltell. Second post Pandian said, MrZ does not have enough post to for him to gauge him. They actually meant the same thing. Also BH only voted after VE started the wagon. If he was so sure, why wait till VE to cast the first vote? | ||
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BH got roleblock. and mafia shot a SK. Or I was roleblocked BH is mafia and was roleblocked Or I was roleblocked BH is lying about roleblock. or I was roleblocked. BH was roleblocked Mafia held shot. There's only these scenarios. | ||
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On June 09 2012 10:29 zelblade wrote: Hey so bh why has your posting style changed so much? Also I wouldn't mind lynching mrz but I want to get this hyaach bh shit settled today. Lynch anyone as long as it isnt me. | ||
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On June 09 2012 00:03 zelblade wrote: Actually one last post before I go. Main reason I trusted BH's claim was that I didnt think that he would do it as scum. Why? Assuming that he is scum, he basically played it out such that his team RB'd hyaach, knowing that hyaach could be blamed for the NK given how scummy he is, and use the mafia's factional KP as a "vig shot". However, in this case, since he could not have predicted a roleblock on him, unless you are of course suggesting mafia held their shot (which has never been done on tlmafia btw last I checked bar 3-1 mylo situations), means that if BH was mafia and made this plan he would basically force a 1-1 trade with hyaach since one of them had to be scum in that case. He could have pulled the SK card after mislynching hyaach in this case, but it was very unlikely that it would have worked considering how he didnt exactly look stellar either. Scum probably isnt willing to pull off this sort of trade d2. (I THINK) There are a lot of things regarding BH that seem off to me though, will explain more on that tomorrow. What do you mean by off? Where's the explanation? Can you stick to a stance? You are floating along with the wind. Why so wish washy. | ||
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Why bother to argue about game mechanics and balance like Mason claiming On June 06 2012 11:54 Blazinghand wrote: We don't have a vigi AND masons AND an additional blue role and you know it. Given that the lynch seems to have consolidated onto me (or navi), I'd be very, very surprised if a mason somehow revealing themselves would change things today, unless Navi or me are masons, in which case my idea of "don't claim D1 unless you're gonna get lynched" applies quite well. Right... but one of these two things is gonna happen ANYWAYS. all that claiming NOW does is let scum choose which one. Claiming now is terrible. 1) Whether or not VE is scummy is a function of his play, not his claim. 2) We don't know you're a vigi at the moment, as you yourself have said. 3) all of this works just as well with masons claiming N1 unless a mason is gonna get lynched, in which case they shoudl claim. MASONS: don't listen to pandain. Don't claim D1 unless you're gonna get lynched. and what does the bold post shows again? His saving crumbs for a possible fake mason claim as well? Lynch him today. Lynch Zelblade and WIFOM him and I tomorrow. Lynch me and he'll try to crawl his way out tomorrow after I flip town. His claim cannot be proven anymore after last night. Its gonna be WIFOM with him the whole way. I have not done everything I can to keep myself from getting lynched. Just read through my analysis of his post, his RB scenarios. He issketchy at best. | ||
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Or mafia(you) shot AND rbed me last night because I was lurky as hell and am not in your scum team. blue snipe maybe? | ||
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Alright I'm gonna head to bed. I'll be back several hours before the lynch, but remember that a vote for me is a vote that says "Mafia either shot or RBed Hyaach last night" Or mafia(you) shot AND rbed me last night because I was lurky as hell and am not in your scum team. blue snipe maybe? | ||
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Caps lock won't help you. Given the fake claim by Pandain and the shady claim by you. I wouldn't be surprise if you also considered doing this. | ||
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Not letting me use my night action completely shut down my chances of proving town-ness next day. sounds like a good plan to prepare someone for lynching. | ||
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So it comes down to you and me. and fk this i've had enough. I'm the Jailkeeper. I was RBED last night. If you read through my analysis of last night's action. You would realize I've been shooting down every scenario that deals with BH or Furp getting JK'ed. | ||
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You claim you were RBed. Its not possible because I did not JK'ed you. So you either are lying. Or town has another RB which would mean you are town. | ||
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Just read through my analysis about the night. I shut down every JK scenario. That's my breadcrumb. I was so sure no one was JK last night so your VIG claim is sketchy at BEST. | ||
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On June 09 2012 16:50 Blazinghand wrote: The idea of town having an RB and a JK *and* mafia having an RB is possible but is super super super more unlikely than: you're a fakeclaiming scum. And you would know how WGB gave out his roles? | ||
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How was i suppose to comment on your 'supposed' vig shot. I wasn't gonna claim. I tried to get people to realize the JK scenario does not exist and figure out why I'm so sure of it. With 14 hours or so till deadline, and me sleeping for 8 hours. I only have 6 hours to convince people. People are missing the crumbs i laid. The JK scenario does not exist. So for you to be VIG. There has to be a town RB mafia RB and town JK. or Mafia RB, town JK, SK. That is what is making your claim sketchy. | ||
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On June 09 2012 16:55 Blazinghand wrote: Well you seem to quite well, mr "There must be an RB in addition to a JK" lol and we would know VIG is present in this set up? Like I said there is no way to prove you are VIG after last night But I can proved I am JK come night. I can JK anyone town ask and that person would get a RB notification regardless if they have a night action or not. (I asked WBG). | ||
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On June 09 2012 16:55 Blazinghand wrote: Well you seem to quite well, mr "There must be an RB in addition to a JK" Stop twisting my words. I said its possible. What make us so sure a VIG is even present? | ||
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If you lynch me and I flipped. Just remember, he has no way to proved himself after last night. Lynch him or WIFOM with him all you like ##UNVOTE ##VOTE : BlazingHand | ||
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I tried to explain it thru analysis. But you guys are cannot figure it out so i had to come out. Futhermore i can prove myself. Can BH prove himself tonight? no he cannot | ||
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Thanks for hosting WBG. | ||
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