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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
Also, you never answered my previous question. On June 11 2012 03:53 ghost_403 wrote: + Show Spoiler + I guess everyone is waiting until the hour before for discussion or something? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On June 11 2012 08:11 ghost_403 wrote: [*] Blazinghand is not playing this game the way he's played as a Vig in the past. I didn't have to deal with Pandain D1 in the past. And it's Totally reasonable that I was so: link to explanation This point only counts if this isn't something I do as town. On June 11 2012 08:11 ghost_403 wrote: [*] Blazinghand hasn't had a town RB come to his rescue. ...YET. Give it a few hours! He might be asleep or not as his computer. He'll save me, just you wait. It's reasonable that your vote is on me at this point, but you better unvote me when the RB claims. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On June 11 2012 08:16 ghost_403 wrote: @BH: I'm not holding my breath. I wouldn't recommend it if I were you, either. Also, you never answered my previous question. Honestly, it's probably the only way I'd not get lynched given that Hyaach flipped JK. The RB knows as well as I do that a mislynch would be disastrous for town at this point, so he will claim to save me. My life depends on it. I'll naturally try to defend myself as best I can without his claim, but honestly it's unlikely I'll convince people to unvote me. Regarding the SK holding fire thing, I don't know. Maybe his plan was to pretend to be a townie and just have an extra night life in case mafia shot at him? I don't know nor do I care about his N1 motivations. I care about not causing a mislynch, and I care about lynching scum. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On June 11 2012 08:13 Blazinghand wrote: So then, we are in agreement: once the RB claims, I'm town, and you'll unvote me. BTW, for both Ghost and Katina, we're all on the same page with this, right? | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On June 11 2012 08:29 ghost_403 wrote: If the town RB comes forward, I will reconsider. I'm not holding my breath. You keep on saying that you're not holding your breath. How can you be so sure? You really can't know, and it's only been an hour and a half since daybreak, and one of your points was that the RB hasn't come forward when the only active players are you, me, and Katina. If the town RB comes forward, doesn't that conclusively prove my innocence? Or will you find another bad excuse to vote me? Man, I liked having VE around. He might have been pushing me, but it was clear his goal was "lynch scum", not "lynch blazinghand". | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
I don't argue with people I think are scum. It's a waste of time, and serves to do nothing but clog up the thread. What was meant by my previous post, is that it would be foolish for me to not reexamine the situation given the new information presented to me. @everyone who's not blazinghand: Read my case, and tell me what you think. If you think I'm wrong/high/pants on head retarded, let me know, and we'll figure this out. @blazinghand: stop spamming up the thread. Your goal should be to convince the town that you're town, not me. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On June 11 2012 08:36 ghost_403 wrote: @blazinghand: stop spamming up the thread. Your goal should be to convince the town that you're town, not me. Oh, aren't you part of the town? <3 good scumslip, +2 pts | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On June 11 2012 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why did we need to have an SK again for you to be innocent? Given we've had two nights with a total of one night kill I'd say the odds are stacked against there being an SK in the game, especially considering it's a game with only 13 players. Well, given that Hyaach was RBed N1, it's very weird that there was no mafia shot-- nobody was medicced. Unless the town RBer is actually a second JK, this means that scum shot the SK OR scum held their fire. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
I hate voting based on setup speculation given our 'success' with it so far. If you're speaking the truth, I urge the RBer to come forward. I've had a change of heart regarding not revealing my blue read as I feel there's a strong possibility he's red. I present to you: Snarfs. On June 05 2012 15:54 Snarfs wrote: @VE, In one sentence you claim that: Yet you follow it up with this: Care to explain? Is Katina really that unhelpful as town? It was pretty clear to me that this was pressure on lurkers to make them post more rather than actually trying to get her lynched. For the rest he also posted a bunch of questions yet didn't really chime in much until figuring out where people stood. Joined the BH bandwagon until BH started posting seriously, and suddenly went full on against Hyaach, whose case he had against him was very weak. On June 07 2012 11:32 Snarfs wrote: I've reread the thread and I still believe that Hyaach is the best lynch tomorrow. Look at what he's done: a) He hasn't contributed to any scumhunting. He hasn't asked questions and he hasn't used his vote to pressure people. b) His vote on Pandain seemed very forced, as Navillus and I have both mentioned. c) He blames his lack of content on the time zone difference. There were a ton of things he could have talked about when he was online. Not being online at the same time as others is not an excuse for not commenting on things that have happened in the game. a) That's not a mafia trait, that's a lazy player trait. b) A townie being pressured also does strange things. His vote looked a bit sheepish but not that strange. c) He never blamed his lack of content on the time zone difference. He he looked sheepish with his vote on Pandain because he woke up when the case already took off, which is a legitimate argument. On June 08 2012 15:22 Snarfs wrote: So just gave the thread a reread/skim through certain parts. Sticking with my plan of not wasting an entire day cycle, assuming furer doesn't even come back, I'd like to hear some opinions on ghost_403. Then fails to name any examples of why Ghost is scummy or anything with his own opinion, despite claiming he just read the thread again. How come you didn't provide any reasoning here yourself? His defense on BH is absolutely damning with only ONE clause out. That being that he's the town RBer. On June 11 2012 06:15 Snarfs wrote: First thing, I agree that we need to resolve the blazinghand situation and the furerkip/Palmar situation. Here is how I see it (I've already stated this multiple times): If blazing is the SK, then claiming vig is really dumb because he's gonna be shot by mafia later in the game. Almost guaranteed. If blazing is scum, again I think it's really dumb to claim vig. However, multiple people have pointed out that he could be playing on our belief that mafia wouldn't do that, blah blah wifom. That being said, something I don't understand is why he would be banking on a town RB to claim if he's not town. Like, if you're scum or SK why aren't you trying to control your own destiny? He's basically relying on another town member to save him or he knows he's going to be lynched. Conclusion: Probably vigilante. This defense makes absolutely no sense. He's basically saying it's dumb for Blazing to claim vig unless he's town because anything else is wifom. Given the amount of roleblock roles available in the rolelist, it's not a stretch that he could claim being roleblocked, especially since vigis only get one shot and don't get their shots refunded even if they get roleblocked makes it very easy for him to claim it as scum. Calling someone like Blazinghand who loves to do funky stuff town simply because he claimed vigi is incredibly shortsighted. I also don't see how him claiming vig is going to get him shot if he's sk. He said he fired his only shot so mafia would think he's just a VT now, which would be great if he's SK. Given the amount of suspicion town still has it'd make sense for mafia not to shoot him. If he's SK he could've still been roleblocked too, and he could've expected that his kill on furer would go through. The claims on this last post show me you're incredibly convinced BH is town, meaning you know things I don't. Given your play so far I'd expect you to be smarter than this. Therefore you are scum or you're a RBer, in which case now is the time to claim. ##Vote: Snarfs | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On furer honestly I think the only thing to read him by is his short exchange about VE, I don't think his disappearing from the game really has anything to do with alignment, I'm also hesitant to assume anything about his alignment based on WBG's actions given how this set-up is shaping up to look I wouldn't put anything past him. On Kat I don't think she's scum, I played scum with her in MTG and here she is much clearer and more consistent with her reads, she got some reads in the beginning and has stayed with them basically throughout the game and hasn't been afraid to argue them while from my memory in mtg she didn't take as much of a position and didn't really give opinions. @Snarfs & Shaft what do you 2 think about MrZ? BH you can answer too if you want | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
And we are not letting bh getting out of this lynch. ##vote: blazinghand Let's leave palmar alive for a bit and see what he can give us. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
This isn't a particularly auspicious pool of saviors for me. It's supremely unlikely that Palmar is the RB given that Furerkip left the game partway through D1 and Palmar wasn't replaced in until just now. I don't like Snarfs. ;_; On June 11 2012 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: @Navillus I think if BH is scum, so is Snarfs, yet the other way doesn't have to be the case. Therefore I feel more comfortable with a Snarfs lynch at this point. I'd be comfortable with it since it's not me. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
I guess what I'm saying is I really hope MrZ comes back to the thread soon. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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