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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 10:20 GMT
#434
But why would anyone want to JK furp?
His was the most useless out of lurkers and on the way to modkill.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 10:24 GMT
#436
no i want other's opinion on why would anyone RB you? or JK furp and why would anyone RB me or JK me.
1)It would be a JK on you and RB on me and 1 more RB because I know I cannot kill at night and mafia did not kill anyone.
2)RB on you and RB on me and 1 more JK on another target whom is the mafia.
3)JK on fur as you suggest and RB on me but i highly doubt it.

or any other scenerio people can come up with.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 10:25 GMT
#437
and how do you explain mafia not killing anyone? One more RB in the mix? if so, why not claim and lynch the mafia?
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 10:30 GMT
#442
why would i fake my claim of being RBed if i was mafia. I could have let you slip by. I do not think i was really on the chopping block for today's lynch. Granted I have huge FoS on me. But It does not look good for Zelblade as well.

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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 10:32 GMT
#444
On June 08 2012 19:29 Shraft wrote:
Hyaach's posting is really messy and, it seems, a bit confused. There's not really much to analyze.
Only thing that stuck out to me when I read his filter was this:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 11:15 Hyaach wrote:
I would let VE live for a day unless something really scummy comes out from his play.

it takes huge balls on claim this early, be it fake/real and its not a fool proof plan imo mafia or town.


Besides, from his claim, i would put all his analysis on a magnifying glass to be dismembered and examined piece by piece.

which seems like an easy thing to say to appear pro town without having to do much. (He is not promising analysis, just saying that he will examine VE's posts, which means that he doesn't have to make any follow-up on this statement.) Either way, he has promised analysis and I'm waiting eagerly.

furerkip seems like a bad Epicmafia townie to me. He plays exactly like the townies over there, speaking about "having mislynches", calling VT's "blues", saying that scumslips = scummy play, and speaking about "three way lynches" (a situation much more common in Epicmafia games than in forum mafia). He could maybe be Mafia, but I think that his aggressive posting is quite out of place for a first time (forum) Mafia player.



no i just meant i would take what VE said with a grain of salt till i see a major town read and what i'm getting so far is none.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 10:36 GMT
#446
btw i'm still here but i'm not talking to this town of zelblade and BH.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 10:37 GMT
#447
i meant "town"
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 10:44 GMT
#448
Actually to emphasize my point of BH lying

##Vote Blazinghand

no i do not believe you got JK.
I think you got RBed and fail your shot as mafia and trying to pass it off as a vig shot.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 10:58 GMT
#454
You are the better player and debater. Can you not figure it out by now?
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 11:15 GMT
#466
On June 08 2012 19:59 zelblade wrote:
Since snarfs asked here are my thoughts on ghost.

I dont think that ghost is scum for now. He has been making (what I feel are valid) accusations against both furekip and zentor. I am somewhat certain furekip is scum from the no. of mafia thing, and whilst it is possible, dont think that ghost would push furekip that early and dump some suspision on him when most of the thread felt he was probably town. Of course this read is a little weak due to furekip's alignment being in question in itself but I am quite certain that furekip will flip scum.

Regarding hyaach I found his first post coming off as a little off, which is primilarly why I questioned it. Might have been due to the fact the post was somewhat unclear, but I did find him saying that claiming miller (optimal move imo) took "balls" a littler wierd. Its wierd that he tries to push attention onto me + furekip when snarfs calls him out of lurking. I also highly doubt scum would RB him and its actually more likely that hyaach got JK'd.



You post about me ask relatively safe questions without committing to a stance. You post with BH talks about night kill actions without contributing a read.

I have address snarf's suspicion of me and at the same thing ask him why tunnel me over the likes of you.

In all your replies to me JK RB argument with BH. you have not once thought of me as town. Not even the slightest scenario that I could turn out town not pro-town at all. Why? because you know I am not scum and want to use this mess to lynch me off?
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 11:18 GMT
#468
Anyway. I think BH's SK theory could be true

##UNVOTE
##VOTE : Zelblade


Not very pro-town in your analysis. Why so negative?
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 11:20 GMT
#469
btw i claimed RBed from phone 7 hours ago


On June 08 2012 13:37 Hyaach wrote:
Ive only skimp the first post and these last post. Its mainly about rb and claim. If it meant anything i would like to point iut i was rbed too.
Btw i said i will give read i ard 5 hour. Why so eagar to drive attention away from the thread? U could always do it when i didnt fullfill my claim


But no one gave a read on as to why so I had to point it out again.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 14:17 GMT
#475
Why is no one seeing my side of the story? Just because BH claim first doesnt mean he cant be the mafia who got RBed.
BH's claim now is sketchy at best. Zelblade is red.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 15:03 GMT
#484
On June 08 2012 19:08 Hyaach wrote:
If anyone read, I got RB last night.
2 reason. I've been read as scum and was thought I would be doing the kill last night. Are you for real?
Mafia RBed me to frame me which means people who were FoS-ing me are highly suspicious.

[b][big]
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 11:23 Blazinghand wrote:
Alright, if we believe Pandain's claim, then why don't we follow up with my course of action: We lynch MrZ (or maybe Navi if he seems scummier). If MrZ flips town, sure, shoot me. But I think he's gonna flip scum.


Just this line in case people really thought of giving BH the credit of pushing the fake vig claim by Pandain.

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On June 06 2012 11:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 06 2012 01:30 Pandain wrote:
I think Mr. Zentor is very suspicious, and should be looked at instead. He's offered very weak arguments, suggesting he does not want to force his opinion onto the town. He's offered vague statements that do not really put himself out there("a bit rash", "would probably", "I think, but we should") which do not prove him being mafia but merely cause me to be watchful.

I am also somewhat suspicious of Navillus, but it is more of a general feeling than specific evidence.



"MrZ and Navi are suspicious. MrZ because of the way he posts"


On June 06 2012 11:17 Pandain wrote:
I honestly don't care about Zentor or navillus. They aren't posting enough to gauge an accurate read.

I do care about you though. And even if you don't get lynched, I will shoot you.

+ Show Spoiler +
Realize I accidently claimed blue, and my role isn't important enough to justify having medic protection I'm vigilante.


"MrZ hasn't posted enough for me to care about"


???? contradiction?


Then this line directly contradicts himself again. Seems like his using everything Pandain said to make an easy case where Pandain looks scummy to lynch him off.



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On June 07 2012 07:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On June 07 2012 06:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
I mean, I understand what you're saying, I do...but I'm trying to give BH the benefit of the doubt where all of that is concerned.


I appreciate that you're trying to be helpful, but don't give me the benefit of the doubt. I mean, I personally like it when people agree with me, but giving people the benefit of the doubt is dangerous. Don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt-- don't ever impair your scumhunting. If you feel there's something wrong with someone's play, either make note of it and address your read accordingly or air it with the town- we'll be better off for it.



This post is actually nothing but restating that fact. Never blindly trust everyone but wait, what's the message underneath it, it makes towns want to trust him because of the fact that his is "transparent" with his play.

Look through his cases. it is on the easiest targets. the lurkers or people who most people agree are suspicious. that's not very telling of his alignment.

I finds his day one post not deserving of a JK from town. Can anyone find any reason his a better RB target then others?

Speaking of game mechanic and night action. Zelblade came back and ask another string of question about the night actions. Making himself seem useful but not contributing at the same time.



What do you Nav or Shraft or Snarf think happen inbetween the first post and 2nd post by BH?
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 15:20 GMT
#485
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!.

BTW if you read again. BH phrased Pandain words to look like they contradict. First Pandain said, he find how MrZ phrase his words as relatively safe, remaining as a nulltell. Second post Pandian said, MrZ does not have enough post to for him to gauge him. They actually meant the same thing.

Also BH only voted after VE started the wagon. If he was so sure, why wait till VE to cast the first vote?
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 08 2012 19:20 GMT
#510
I was roleblocked
BH got roleblock.
and mafia shot a SK.

Or

I was roleblocked
BH is mafia and was roleblocked

Or

I was roleblocked
BH is lying about roleblock.

or I was roleblocked.
BH was roleblocked
Mafia held shot.

There's only these scenarios.

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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 09 2012 04:36 GMT
#526
I've stated BH's claim is sketchy at best but zelblade is red


On June 09 2012 10:29 zelblade wrote:
Hey so bh why has your posting style changed so much?

Also I wouldn't mind lynching mrz but I want to get this hyaach bh shit settled today.


Lynch anyone as long as it isnt me.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 09 2012 04:39 GMT
#527
On June 09 2012 00:03 zelblade wrote:
Actually one last post before I go.

Main reason I trusted BH's claim was that I didnt think that he would do it as scum. Why? Assuming that he is scum, he basically played it out such that his team RB'd hyaach, knowing that hyaach could be blamed for the NK given how scummy he is, and use the mafia's factional KP as a "vig shot". However, in this case, since he could not have predicted a roleblock on him, unless you are of course suggesting mafia held their shot (which has never been done on tlmafia btw last I checked bar 3-1 mylo situations), means that if BH was mafia and made this plan he would basically force a 1-1 trade with hyaach since one of them had to be scum in that case.

He could have pulled the SK card after mislynching hyaach in this case, but it was very unlikely that it would have worked considering how he didnt exactly look stellar either. Scum probably isnt willing to pull off this sort of trade d2. (I THINK)

There are a lot of things regarding BH that seem off to me though, will explain more on that tomorrow.



What do you mean by off? Where's the explanation?

Can you stick to a stance? You are floating along with the wind. Why so wish washy.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 09 2012 07:24 GMT
#531
Read the quote again its not just about his meta. Its about him failing to pressure Pandain after the fake claim and going up with MrZ

Why bother to argue about game mechanics and balance like Mason claiming

On June 06 2012 11:54 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote:
1. Blue roles will have more information in executing their actions. There will be 2 less chances for each blue role to waste a check/shot/roleblock on a townie. Times that by the amount of power roles we have and that is a significant deal. We won't be able to do that if they claim at the very end of N1.

We don't have a vigi AND masons AND an additional blue role and you know it.

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On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote:
2. We have more information. This is good, not just becuase we won't lynch the masons, but for all the information that springs out of confirmed townies. Your right, BH, confirmed townies aren't 100% right. But the fact is that they aren't scum, and that lets us make sure town runs the scene, not scum. I'd rather have an idiot town help guide town than any scum.


Given that the lynch seems to have consolidated onto me (or navi), I'd be very, very surprised if a mason somehow revealing themselves would change things today, unless Navi or me are masons, in which case my idea of "don't claim D1 unless you're gonna get lynched" applies quite well.

Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote:
Masons getting shot = more blue roles able to do stuff.
Blues(if even that) getting shot = we still have confirmed townie.

Right... but one of these two things is gonna happen ANYWAYS. all that claiming NOW does is let scum choose which one. Claiming now is terrible.

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On June 06 2012 11:49 Pandain wrote:
Basically we'll have more information, and now. We already (are pretty sure) that VE is a miller, I'm a vig, if we have tow additional masons that = 4/12 people already accounted for! Then factor in individual analysis and guesswork! That's a HUGE deal in lynch one!


1) Whether or not VE is scummy is a function of his play, not his claim.
2) We don't know you're a vigi at the moment, as you yourself have said.
3) all of this works just as well with masons claiming N1 unless a mason is gonna get lynched, in which case they shoudl claim.


MASONS: don't listen to pandain. Don't claim D1 unless you're gonna get lynched.


and what does the bold post shows again? His saving crumbs for a possible fake mason claim as well?

Lynch him today.
Lynch Zelblade and WIFOM him and I tomorrow.
Lynch me and he'll try to crawl his way out tomorrow after I flip town. His claim cannot be proven anymore after last night. Its gonna be WIFOM with him the whole way.
I have not done everything I can to keep myself from getting lynched. Just read through my analysis of his post, his RB scenarios.

He issketchy at best.
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Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 09 2012 07:27 GMT
#532
Alright I'm gonna head to bed. I'll be back several hours before the lynch, but remember that a vote for me is a vote that says "Mafia either shot or RBed Hyaach last night"

Or mafia(you) shot AND rbed me last night because I was lurky as hell and am not in your scum team. blue snipe maybe?
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