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When was I not focusing on one scum at a time? My vote is still on Palmar and my case against him still stands.
I think you are likely SK, because chaoser didn't seem to act like scum (at least like how he acted in Liar Game), but he didn't seem to care about town that much either.
I wouldn't mind a lynch on you since it wouldn't be a misslynch, and there's a chance I'm wrong and you are actually scum with Palmar.
Also, you say you want Radfield dead for still being alive, then answer me these questions:
1)If Radfield is being alive this long, how do you distinguish a scum Radfield from a town Radfield that can be pushed as a misslynch and is in the wrong track?
2)Radfield was alive in this game for a pretty long time, and actually wasn't killed on the 1st 2 nights (like in this game).
Do you think his play here is different like that one? Do you think something similar may or may not have happened in this game?
3)So...what else makes Radfield scum? I've already showed you a game where Radfield was alive for a long time as town, therefore the "Radfield is alive by D3->He's scum" theory doesn't apply; you need to come up with something else.
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Palmar has 3 votes on him, the only other guy with votes on him is me (Palmar voted me).
prplhz, do you plan on doing anything? You said you think Palmar is town, you see Palmar will get lynched today, therefore you know that today will be a misslynch and we'll lost the game.
Do you care about that at all? I don't see you reacting at all to the fact Palmar is getting lynched, and I don't see you trying to do anything at all to actually push a Radfield lynch.
I don't expect you to do the "heavy lifting" and lead town one way or the other, but I expect you to have thoughts, opinions and act on them.
If you think someone is town, it is LYLO and that guy is getting lynched, then it's your obligation to either rethink your stance on him or try to stop that lynch (like I did on the Radfield lynch of D2) and/or push forward a lynch on someone you think is scum.
I don't see you doing anything like that at all, so even if you "suck", but your own POV you should be acting completely different than you are acting right now.
Unless there's some deep psychological issue here (like you replaced into a game you didn't want to play so you don't actually give a fuck about anything and you know you are likely going to lose, so why even try? Or maybe something like that), then there's no reason for you to behave like you are doing in LYLO.
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Although I find your behaviour weird.
If you are town, your behaviour doesn't make sense to me for the reasons I described above, but if you were scum/SK I think you'd try to blend in a little bit more, or at least try to do something instead of complaining the minute you replace into the game, and do nothing at all and even acknowledge that
Hmm, any thoughts on this people? Rad/Grey/Wiggles what do you specifically think of prphlz's behaviour and how it would fit in as scum/SK behaviour?
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I'd expect you to say something like that (lynch prphlz either way), but I think we should still lynch Palmar.
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One thing about the SK is that if we misslynch today (I doubt it...but anything can happen), he can "help" us by shooting scum tonight so both town and SK have a chance to win in a 2-1 LYLO later.
Kind of like this
D3: 4-2-1
Misslynch
N3: 3-2-1
If scum shoot town and SK doesn't shoot:
D4: 2-2-1
Here scum can easily get the SK/town lynched, making it
N4: 1-2-1 or 2-2
In #1 they shoot the remaining townie, the SK would shoot at scum (may miss and shoot the townie), and immediately vote for the SK as soon as the day begins (or if that doesn't count it's a draw). In #2 SK instantly loses.
Even if in D4: 2-1-1 town+SK join together to lynch a scum, it would become 2-1-1, and 1-1-1 or 1s-1sk if the night shots go in a certain order, which means the SK would still not win (for him to win he'd need scum to shoot a townie and him accurately shooting the scum).
The point is that I don't think a 2-2-1 situation would be good or comfortable for the SK, which leads me to:
If we misslynch today, the SK should shoot someone he thinks is scum (it shouldn't be too hard for him)
However, if in N3, the SK shoots scum, it's something like this:
D4: 2-1-1
The SK can help us lynch the remaining scum, leaving us in a D5: 2-1 LYLO with the SK
If we lynch the SK we'll be in 2 LYLOs in a row, and I don't like that. I want to lynch scum today, and as time goes by I get more confident Palmar is scum by him not showing up or acting satisfactorily.
Wiggles, what do you thing about prplhz behaviour up there? And what about that question I presented to you guys in the top of the page? prplhz seems to just not care about anything right now, do you find that compatible with him being scum or SK? In what scenario?
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The situation you presented is exactly the same the other way round as well:
Today we lynch Palmar, he flips scum.
Tomorrow we lynch prplhz:
-If he's scum, we hunt for the SK
-If he's SK, we figure out who the remaining scum is.
Do you think Palmar may be town? Or even SK? If not then we lynch him.
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Actually, I think Palmar is scum, you think Palmar is scum
I think prplhz is SK, you think prplhz is scum.
Why isn't Palmar a better lynch by that reasoning of yours?
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On June 17 2012 08:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
The point is that if we lynch mafia today there are situations where we must lynch the other mafia tomorrow. If we dont we lose. We disagree about the last mafia, so that means we could lynch the wrong one. Lynching prp assures that we either have both scum, or that we have two cycles to find the last one. What youre saying to do is wrong because it relies entirely on the actions of the mafia and the sk. Youre taking the power out of our hands and putting it into scums which is dumb. My plan works in all possible scenarios regardless of what kind of scum prp flips as and regardless of what actions scum take tonight. Yours relies on the sk or mafia taking certain actions so that we dont lose
Wait..how does lynching scum today "relies on the sk or mafia taking certain actions so that we don't lose"?
If the SK shoots a townie tonight? I doubt the SK is that stupid, unless he's in great danger of getting lynched instead of scum or something, but then again if that was the case he'd have the chance of getting lynched in that 2-1-1 situation you mentioned.
I think having a "safe" lynch on prplhz because maybe the SK shoots a townie tonight and maybe scum shoot a different townie tonight and maybe the SK gets himself lynched or we misslynch a townie on D4, then we'd lose.
Palmar is scum, we lynch scum, end of story. I'm actually not that convinced on prplhz either, I'm not convinced he's scum...and to be honest I'm not that convinced he's SK either because of his behaviour (nobody answered that questions I posed above, explain prplhz' behaviour to me from a SK or scum perspective).
On June 17 2012 08:30 prplhz wrote:
Okay screw that.
gonzaw is not scum and no matter if he is SK or town he wants to lynch scum today. He's also putting in quite a bit of effort so maybe he's right. Palmar isn't doing much and I don't really have a huge town read on him. He just seemed townie when I read the game. Anyway, lets just roll with this Palmar lynch today. I'm just going to sheep gonzaw on an opinion I don't really agree with but that's how it's going to be for now.
##Vote: Palmar
If gonzaw is scum then gg wp. You should try replacing into a game where everybody thinks you're scum by default, it's not really all that fun.
You are not making things any easier.
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EBWOP:
I think having a "safe" lynch on prplhz because maybe the SK shoots a townie tonight and maybe scum shoot a different townie tonight and maybe the SK gets himself lynched or we misslynch a townie on D4, which would mean we lose, is not a good plan at all either
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I don't want to follow a plan to let one scum survive just to lynch someone else assuming he's scum/sk, but there's a chance he may actually be town, just to "prevent" ourselves from having to forcefully lynch the 2nd scum (which we need to do at some point of the game anyways) just in case an extremely improbable scenario happens.
I'll say this only once:
I want to lynch scum, both in succession preferably
Palmar is scum
→I want Palmar lynched
I don't want to follow plans that says "Oh prplhz might be SK in which case even if he was we'd still be in a good position, so lynching that guy who has less chance of flipping scum but could still flip either scum or sk is better than lynching the guy that's basically confirmed mafia"
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Because those kind of plans are most likely:
- Not going to work as intended
- Are presented with an anti-town agenda behind them
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If the SK knows his shit and is smart he won't shoot a townie tonight (there's also the chance scum+SK shoot the same townie), if he doesn't want to getting lynched on D4 or even creating a misslynch and him and scum draw; and of course if he doesn't want to risk wasting his bullet if he and scum choose the same townie to shoot (or if he shoots and actual scum by accident)
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Also, this should be discussed by other members as well, not just you+me.
Grey, Rad (BB perhaps) post your thoughts about prplhz and this "plan" of Wiggles.
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Right, so we don't lynch obvious scum Palmar to lynch him tomorrow right?
Anything can happen by that time, Palmar can come up with a case against someone, then cause more shitstorm, have people doubt their reads on him, and he may even survive.
If we all agree to lynch him today I don't see why we shouldn't.
Yes, if tonight SK shoots a townie (I don't see this happening either, but lets assume it will happen), we can argue tomorrow about who is scum, prp or BB or someone else.
That's what's supposed to happen, we lynch one scum and then argue about who the other one is, but if the SK doesn't shoot tonight (most likely), then we could still lynch prplhz if we think he's either SK or scum.
If prplhz is scum, the real SK won't shoot a townie tonight because he knows that if he does, we'll most likely avoid lynching prplhz tomorrow, while if he doesn't, we'd most likely do, so he'd not shoot a townie tonight, let us lynch prplhz, and then try to win solo.
You are making too many assumptions, you just assume the SK will shoot a townie tonight if we lynch Palmar no matter what and be successful..
Like where the fuck does that come from? The SK could even shoot the other scum if he feels like it and try to survive 2 lynches, he could just not shoot, or he could try to shoot a townie but shoot the same one as scum or scum can shoot him or not shoot at all.
You say your plan is better because "We lynch Palmar today"->"SK and mafia will shoot different townies, so we'll have a hard time trying to lynch the remaining scum":
- That isn't as bad as you make it seem, we have 1 scum down and are still in LYLO where we need to lynch the 2nd scum, and the SK doesn't have another bullet to use.
- Do you know what sucks as well? prplhz flipping town, or prplhz flipping SK and debating all D4 on whether Palmar is scum or perhaps Rad/Grey/etc and Palmar may survive another lynch.
You still haven't answered me the question about prplhz's behaviour.
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Anyways I'm leaving, so you guys discuss this all you want.
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lol yo who lycnch=?
like who you want to lncH?c ro sorry VV BB?
On June 17 2012 11:59 BrownBear wrote:
Alright, I'm back.
My resoning behind the Palmar lynch is basically what gonzaw and others have posted. He's not playing the way he normally does when he's town, but he was definitely trying to act like he was Day 1. He's switched his opinion on everyone all the time, without ever providing reasons, and hasn't been called on it until now. He's basically skated, and I don't really understand why we didn't call him on it sooner.
He's definitely my target for today, unless something crazy happens, so I'm gonna look forward. One thing I was considering was the possibility of SK choosing to shoot tonight (and I think someone else mentioned that possibility). Given that the game is winding down, I thought it might be a possibility we'll have to account for. In the end though, I really think SK will not shoot tonight, because it's in his interest to shoot at the last possible moment (preferably when it will end the game). If we mislynch and Palmar is town, then SK will be forced to shoot red to keep the game alive (I think) but given the unlikelihood of that possibility, we're going to have SK KP to worry about.
So I think we lynch Palmar today, then worry about who's SK starting today and tomorrow. My "group of scum" would be:
Palmar
Radfield
prphlz
Wiggles
Palmar, case is proven. The other three I'm much less sure about. I'm certain the SK is one of them, though. All 3 have been trying very hard to play pro-town, but little things about their play have just thrown me off and made me question them.
lol why did you call yourslef scvum?
lolololo
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lol yo who lycnch=?
like who you want to lncH?c ro sorry VV BB?
On June 17 2012 11:59 BrownBear wrote:
Alright, I'm back.
My resoning behind the Palmar lynch is basically what gonzaw and others have posted. He's not playing the way he normally does when he's town, but he was definitely trying to act like he was Day 1. He's switched his opinion on everyone all the time, without ever providing reasons, and hasn't been called on it until now. He's basically skated, and I don't really understand why we didn't call him on it sooner.
He's definitely my target for today, unless something crazy happens, so I'm gonna look forward. One thing I was considering was the possibility of SK choosing to shoot tonight (and I think someone else mentioned that possibility). Given that the game is winding down, I thought it might be a possibility we'll have to account for. In the end though, I really think SK will not shoot tonight, because it's in his interest to shoot at the last possible moment (preferably when it will end the game). If we mislynch and Palmar is town, then SK will be forced to shoot red to keep the game alive (I think) but given the unlikelihood of that possibility, we're going to have SK KP to worry about.
So I think we lynch Palmar today, then worry about who's SK starting today and tomorrow. My "group of scum" would be:
Palmar
Radfield
prphlz
Wiggles
Palmar, case is proven. The other three I'm much less sure about. I'm certain the SK is one of them, though. All 3 have been trying very hard to play pro-town, but little things about their play have just thrown me off and made me question them.
lol why did you call yourslef scvum?
lolololo
lol wait you are BB i though you we Rad hahaha
hey BBw what od you thino of think of me thinking you are scm ..
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LIke, I've read both filters of you and you botsem to planmned abuss
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you both seemed to plan a buse
you bot hseemed to plan a bus.
yea hthat's tight, it seems your "outbusrts" against pPLamarar was abus, because it was very werid I though yoiu were town becaues you backed off Palmar, but if palamr is scum that's not a town tell, because of the above
what do you hintthink about it?
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Hey does someone agree with my outburst against Wiggles?
I dunno why thers' something in the inside of my head that etlls me "Wiggles is cum with Palmar and aats watns to let him live a little longer, this seems like a distraction"; but on the other hand I could see a town willggglles pushignp prlhx lyn
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lynch him
lynch lie
lynch lie like he did if he was town and using "his plan" that he used /about prplhz being scum/Sk anmd ,e me thinking prplhz was Sk/ if wiggles though p pp prllhz was scum wiggles pirates ARGGHH!!! uyesh!!!! yes somethi gng like that?
Do youa aggree?
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On June 17 2012 18:25 gonzaw wrote:lol yo who lycnch=? like who you want to lncH?c ro sorry VV BB? Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 11:59 BrownBear wrote:
Alright, I'm back.
My resoning behind the Palmar lynch is basically what gonzaw and others have posted. He's not playing the way he normally does when he's town, but he was definitely trying to act like he was Day 1. He's switched his opinion on everyone all the time, without ever providing reasons, and hasn't been called on it until now. He's basically skated, and I don't really understand why we didn't call him on it sooner.
He's definitely my target for today, unless something crazy happens, so I'm gonna look forward. One thing I was considering was the possibility of SK choosing to shoot tonight (and I think someone else mentioned that possibility). Given that the game is winding down, I thought it might be a possibility we'll have to account for. In the end though, I really think SK will not shoot tonight, because it's in his interest to shoot at the last possible moment (preferably when it will end the game). If we mislynch and Palmar is town, then SK will be forced to shoot red to keep the game alive (I think) but given the unlikelihood of that possibility, we're going to have SK KP to worry about.
So I think we lynch Palmar today, then worry about who's SK starting today and tomorrow. My "group of scum" would be:
Palmar
Radfield
prphlz
Wiggles
Palmar, case is proven. The other three I'm much less sure about. I'm certain the SK is one of them, though. All 3 have been trying very hard to play pro-town, but little things about their play have just thrown me off and made me question them.
lol why did you call yourslef scvum? lolololo lol wait you are BB i though you we Rad hahaha hey BBw what od you thino of think of me thinking you are scm .. .. sum scum wot with Palmar? huh? LIke, I've read both filters of you and you botsem to planmned abuss ou you both seemed to plan a buse you bot hseemed to plan a bus. yea hthat's tight, it seems your "outbusrts" against pPLamarar was abus, because it was very werid I though yoiu were town becaues you backed off Palmar, but if palamr is scum that's not a town tell, because of the above what do you hintthink about it?
It seemed werid Palmar backed of f you so fast and you bakced of f him so fast as well
I ahve notes archived insidemy brain and PC but i'ts very diffucult to find the mso I'l possite them later.
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Damn, okay I think I can ewrite okay now,...sort of, yeah that thing from above.
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Or am I grasping at straws=?
Like, I don't know why Wigles nosw sodduenly wants to lync hprplhs with all his might even though eh things Palmar is scum. Like, he think s Palmar is uscm ,I think Palmar is sucm, everyitob0dy pthis Palmar is sucm....why not lynch Palmar?
But dam,n,I if Palmar flips scum I have evidence BB is sucm, but Wiiggles could be as well (Uhe could be town by the above thing I've writtcen).
ALso I'm not really sure if prllhz is town or not....nobody answer ed my wuestion/question from above.
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WHAT SCUM OR SK AGENDA DOES PRLLHZ BECA
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BEHAVIOUR FROM NOW PUSH?
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